Fiscal conservatives (looking at YOU Tea party people) should have been talking about this years ago.

Now go ask Romney in person why he supports this big government boondoggle… and get it on video.

nice non sequitur you have there. Hate to see something happen to it.

Mimzey on July 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Apparently “non sequitur” is your standard reflex defense. Do you even know what the term means? I addressed the content of your post directly. You were babbling nonsense, and I politely informed you it was nonsense.

I have studied drug addiction and its related toll on society for years. I have interviewed multiple proponents on both sides of the issue. And I have come to the conclusion that we will see peace in the Middle East long before we solve the problem of addiction. I have no problem with casual users who don’t hold positions of responsibility (e.g., airline pilots, parents, etc.)
But suicidal addiction points to a deeper problem of people who are self-medicating through emotional pain and past trauma, and that’s when I throw up my hands and say the problem cannot be fixed without therapy, religion and a strong will to survive.

Ball is in your court. Do you have another cutesy defense?

Like cigarettes, legislate it to the fringes and tax the hell out of it. Start to punish public use that threatens others ( a la drunk driving laws) while heavier drugs should be supplied in a controlled fashion.

Treatment should be easily available.

Stop the insanity of prohabition.

“Opiate use became a problem after reality trumped theory and the social problems of opiate addiction became undeniable.”

Not true at all. The people who use hard drugs have always been a minority and they still are. The only reason there are more of them today is because it is illegal.

The government has no business regulating behavior and all vice laws are unconstitutional. The government only makes social problems worse which is a good reason to keep it out.

woodNfish on July 17, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Isn’t that a non sequitur? You’re making and argument that doesn’t address the part of my post that you quoted.

When they figure out that Obamacare can be used to send people to jail straight from the hospital when tox screens come back positive, they’ll suddenly support the hell out of it.

angelat0763 on July 17, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I’m afraid you’re right. Hell…SWalker has clearly demonstrated that he’s unwilling to decry the tactics at Waco, were the situation a matter of marijuana laws rather than gun laws. Sickening.

When they figure out that Obamacare can be used to send people to jail straight from the hospital when tox screens come back positive….

angelat0763 on July 17, 2012 at 8:31 PM

What are you basing that claim on? Just interested in the facts don’t ‘cha know.

Not true at all. The people who use hard drugs have always been a minority and they still are. The only reason there are more of them today is because it is illegal.

The government has no business regulating behavior and all vice laws are unconstitutional. The government only makes social problems worse which is a good reason to keep it out.

This is why government gets bigger. The Republicans have no interest in the facts. As long as they can use the government to promote their agendas, they’re happy.

It does not matter to them that the war on drugs has failed on every level. To give up on it would mean a huge loss of power, as well as a reduction in the payrolls of law enforcement, and they don’t believe in that. They have no interest in justifying their position with logic.

When they figure out that Obamacare can be used to send people to jail straight from the hospital when tox screens come back positive, they’ll suddenly support the hell out of it.

Lee Maisey…of course you will say that’s not real either…we can play this game all night.
I give you a valid name, and you pretend it isn’t valid…

right2bright on July 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM

A coroner in the UK claimed Maisey died of cannabis overdose, which was reviewed by the Federal Health Ministry of Switzerland and found to be full of s**t, just like you.

Which is why it is useless to give you names, you just diss it and disregard anything that doesn’t fit your meme.

right2bright on July 17, 2012 at 3:14 PM

You gave me two names. I searched them. Nothing, because they mean nothing.

You gave me another name. I searched it. I linked the article and provided relevant analysis. Until you can source the first two names, you’re nothing but a liar.

MadisonConservative on July 17, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Which is why it is useless to give you names, you just diss it and disregard anything that doesn’t fit your meme.

I stick by my other names…two people who overdosed than met their end violently.

Dig a little deeper, you must be using “Google” or “Bing”…

I see enough comments the “anti’s” whos brilliance to add to the conversation is “we know it doesn’t work, but legalizing it would be worse”. Really? That passes as intelligent discussion? “It doesn’t work, so keep doing it?” I thought the Left was supposed to be the side with all the tards.

Its a hundreds of $billion failure, with ATF/SWAT/DEA kicking in the wrong doors and shooting the wrong people frequently. Further, every one of your teenage kids knows where to score a joint, shrooms and LSD (and whatever else they want) – brilliant success.

What kills me is that at least in 1933 people had the sence to end a bad program when they saw how bloody it got. We got 40,000 dead Mexicans and Phoenix AZ becoming one of the kidnap capitals of the world and still morons on the Right think of every “what if” apocalyptic scenario to justify pissing away billions on an ineffective policy.

Legalize it and tax it. The taxes will pay for the pine boxes and cremations and otherwise fund the treatment centers for the people that want to get off the drugs.

Back then the community did the policing of the harmful behavior, but they had the common sense to not give the federal government the power to ban certain things. Note that Prohibition and the outlawing of marijuana didn’t take place until the 20th Century, some 140-odd years into the nation’s existence.

And I’m interested to know the ratio of crooked cops and sheriffs to morally competent ones back then, compared to now. As one who was in high school when N.W.A. first gained notoriety, I’m guessing that a lot of people have no respect for law enforcement because police brutality.

TMOverbeck on July 17, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Good points. But that was then and this is now.
With the plethora of lawyers and “rights” advocates, communities are not able to effectively police communities.

The ratio of corrupt cops and lawyers etc, is another topic.

Jonathon Grundy…

right2bright on July 17, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Was wondering when you’d get to that one. Yes, there is a single story from Australia that originated on a completely unknown blog, without a single actual news source to back it up. It was also an article of serious question, not least of which the manner in which he was described:

He was found slumped into a half eaten pizza, joystick still in hand. He had been playing World of Warcraft and taking hits from a bong.

Half eaten pizza and a bong? Apart from being ridiculous cliche, the article only says “apparently”. Why does it only say that? Because there is no report of an autopsy, nor any actual news citation to back up the story. Additionally, World of Warcraft has never been played with a joystick. The veracity of this story ranks slightly south of Pop Rocks and Coke killing Mikey from the Life commercials.

There. I went out of the way to link one of your pathetic, laughable “sources”. Now source the other two, or admit you’re full of s**t.

A quick search? That’s what you rely on “a quick search”…you think everything is on the internet? Really, a quick search of a lot of names wouldn’t show anything.
The poster asked for any names, and I gave him, HIM, two names, do your own research, I did mine.

right2bright on July 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Lameass excuse. Nearly all even remotely relevant news outlets are searchable on the internet. Both of those names searched exactly, alone with “marijuana”, “thc”, or “overdose” provide no relevant results whatsoever. If you’re going to throw out random names without any citation, then you’re going to be expected to back up your claim. Put up or shut up.

Prove it. A quick search shows nothing for either of those names related to marijuana.

MadisonConservative on July 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM

A quick search? That’s what you rely on “a quick search”…you think everything is on the internet? Really, a quick search of a lot of names wouldn’t show anything.
The poster asked for any names, and I gave him, HIM, two names, do your own research, I did mine.

The social values I was referring to was the difference in tolerance of socially destructive and personally harmful behavior not to mention the current views by a lot of people regarding respect for laws and police.
Do you think there is much difference in those social values now and then?

Mimzey on July 17, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Back then the community did the policing of the harmful behavior, but they had the common sense to not give the federal government the power to ban certain things. Note that Prohibition and the outlawing of marijuana didn’t take place until the 20th Century, some 140-odd years into the nation’s existence.

And I’m interested to know the ratio of crooked cops and sheriffs to morally competent ones back then, compared to now. As one who was in high school when N.W.A. first gained notoriety, I’m guessing that a lot of people have no respect for law enforcement because police brutality.

John Kaiser did…so did Sarah Begley…

right2bright on July 17, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Prove it. A quick search shows nothing for either of those names related to marijuana.

Name One.
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Karl Magnus on July 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM

John Kaiser did…so did Sarah Begley…

Hmmmmmmmmm …
How many people have over-dosed on marijuana?
Just Curious
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Karl Magnus on July 17, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Then they don’t OD and are not going to being a massive drag on the resources of the healthcare system as the “hard” drug users, or are you wanting to find a way to kill people via MJ?