Heart Ache. The dream of a Ron Paul presidency is “smoked”

posted at 5:01 pm on July 15, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Lest we forget, the Republican presidential primary is still going on. Well, sort of. Technically, anyway. And even in July there were still a few details to be worked out in accordance with the arcane rules of the party for this summer’s convention. One of those was whether or not Ron Paul’s name could be placed in contention for the nomination on the convention floor, giving the Texas congressman essentially a free ticket to speak to the crowd. This weekend, while few people were paying attention, it looks like the last nail was hammered in that coffin.

It looks like Ron Paul isn’t going to be officially nominated for the presidency in Tampa.

His backers failed to win a plurality of delegate slots at the Nebraska GOP convention Saturday, leaving the Texas congressman short of the support necessary to have his name placed into contention at the national convention.

According to national party rules, a candidate needs a plurality of the delegates in at least five states to have his name presented for the nomination – by falling short in Nebraska, the last state to hold its convention, Paul came up one state short.

As you will recall, while never in serious contention for the overall nomination, Paul’s supporters were incredibly effective in a number of states. It wasn’t just their ability to get out the vote, but years of experience with the byzantine rules of the caucus states and the ability to wring every last drop of support out of the local power structure.

Nebraska was bracing for the same “chaos” as it’s described in the article, but in the end it simply didn’t materialize. It would appear that too many of the adults in the room were well aware that the race was over, that it was time to get behind the nominee, and that to allow another stunt like the ones Paul’s people had pulled before would do nothing but embarrass the GOP. At this point it’s difficult to see what role, if any, Ron Paul will play at the convention now.


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Remember the problems I had last fall with the commentor who was trying to ‘out’ my Walmart. That stunt got him banned-as it should have.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2012 at 7:11 PM

I agree, its creepy, just like the Democratic operatives videotaping peoples homes.

sharrukin on July 15, 2012 at 7:14 PM

101

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Not to worry… The traveling freak show known as: “Ron & The Paulians” will be back the next election, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the one after that, ………

Mahdi on July 15, 2012 at 7:18 PM

So a guy who really wasn’t in it to win, nor could he get any more than a few percent of the vote, is out?

oldroy on July 15, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Why, is he going somewhere?

Flora Duh on July 15, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Nope, he’s going nowhere.

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 7:19 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Ah yes, the cartographer fellow.

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Nope, he’s going nowhere.

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Do you mean Ron Paul or Rand Paul?

sharrukin on July 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

As a certified unable-to-avoid-a-RP-thread addict all this Texan has to say is….BWHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you can’t see a con for a con you get conned. The man is all about Paul. He could care less about America or you. Now you can throw rocks.

Limerick on July 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

…the majority of attendees under 30 were there for RP. Some may have come because of libertarian ideas like legal weed, but those I spoke with were there out of concern for the ever greater debt burden and the need to address fiscal and economic realities. While their contemporaries were peeing in the alleys (and worse) with the Occupy crowd…
ugottabekiddingme on July 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Yes, I think it’s a mega-mistake to dismiss Ron Paul’s youthful supporters as pot-smoking Occupier wannabees. Not close! These kids are ultra-conservative, but on the drug issue, they’ve thought that out. They think it’s a stupid lost war, and an assault on freedom. Better to embrace rather than insult these kids, because, of course, they are the future.

anotherJoe on July 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

He/she/it banned itself earlier in the week on the Allen West Thread, when someone used the clues given to find its identity as a college professor at a mid-Atlantic University.

kingsjester on July 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

He will be back. He can’t help himself. They never can. We have known those facts for quite sometime.

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

sharrukin on July 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

The Father Baby Dr. Paul. The young Paul has plenty of opportunities. Thats what much of this was
about. I do wish he would stop emailing me so many times a day however.

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM

anotherJoe on July 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Then this Truman baby hands you the future gladly and makes his exit. Paul is the leech.

Limerick on July 15, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Odd.

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 7:25 PM

My mistake Flora. One two many Pauls to keep up with. No matter.

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Do people here really believe that Paulbots don’t want Obama in office over Romney? The driving force behind Paulbots is not his economic ideas it is his foreign policy ideas his legal drug ideas and his antisemitism. Obama is an easy choice for Paul supporters. I guarantee more Paul supports will vote for Obama than for Romney. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves. All you have to do is look at it logically. Obama is anti-Israel…check. Obama is for legalizing drugs…well it has been speculated that this is coming. Obama is a blame America first person…check. So there you have it. Obama is closer to the best candidate for the job than Romney is in their eyes.

Paul supporters are not even close to being conservative. They just use that term cause that is what their king, Paul, uses. If Ron Paul kept all of his same principles and then started calling himself liberal then all paulbots would magically start calling themselves liberal.

It is really not too hard to figure this all out. Just use some common sense.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Obama is an easy choice for Paul supporters. I guarantee more Paul supports will vote for Obama than for Romney. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I think you are right about a significant number of his supporters, but there are others who have become disaffected from the GOP due to the GOP love of big government solutions, and those ones may well be salvageable…assuming that the GOP itself is salvageable.

sharrukin on July 15, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Ron Paul? Who dat? I thought he was just a fictional character made up by some rather unhinged right leaning folks on the Interwebz.

William Teach on July 15, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Yes, I think it’s a mega-mistake to dismiss Ron Paul’s youthful supporters as pot-smoking Occupier wannabees. Not close!

But not that far off either. Paulians being a large section of the “youth vote” never really made much sense. If that was the case, Paul would have won against Bush in 2004, especially when you compared his opponent was John Kerry.

These kids are ultra-conservative, but on the drug issue, they’ve thought that out. They think it’s a stupid lost war, and an assault on freedom.

It might be or not, but it certainly has more ramifications on the country than a rather broad statement “Assault on Freedom”.

I’m all for the controlled sale and use of marijuana, even though I know it will mean more intrusion by the government in the long term. Sale, sell, tax it and relieve the overcrowding of the prison over *certain* types of convictions.

I am strictly against opiates in any form being legal. As for “natural” psychedelics like mushrooms…keep it to the restriction of religion practice and move on.

Its not a best solution, but it will take the issue off the table so we can move on to other things.

Better to embrace rather than insult these kids, because, of course, they are the future.

anotherJoe on July 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

They may be the future, but they’re not the only ones *in* that future.

Kids have bad ideas to and they’ll have to share the future with us old folks as well. We need to do whats best for the country first.

BlaxPac on July 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I guarantee more Paul supports will vote for Obama than for Romney. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.
The Notorious G.O.P on July 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Nonsense! Unless they are so ridiculed that they feel they are not wanted and they refuse to vote, again! Untrue in my state! I have worked among them at the county level! they are my neighbors so I got to know them, at the District level the same and at the State level they took over the leadership positions and moved the plank right! Right toward the constitution and conservatism and what the poster above said is true, their main concern is the fiscal mess our country is in.

Some are first timers scared to wits end about the direction this country is headed and RP fiscal pronouncements got their attention. The young are active and concerned and among them were many returning veterans of the Iraq Democratization Nonsense by G W Bush!

Some are Rat crossovers but the vast majority I have and AM working with know they have to vote Mittens. They also know they have a deep and abiding presence within the Party system in my state and their organization will control the plank for the next cycle. They organized and played by the rules the RINOs set up to guarantee the Good Old Boys survival. Except that survival ended when the RP voters out volunteered out worked and out organized the head in the sand Good Old Boys!

ConcealedKerry on July 15, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Libfree complained to Ed and Libfree “banned” itself though I did see him in here yesterday making a quick appearance.

CW on July 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

I knew he wasn’t really banning himself. He’s too much of a narcissist, like his boy king, to not want to garner attention, even the negative kind.

CurtZHP on July 15, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Fear not, there’s still Goofy Johnson, the next Arlen Specter of the Republican Party.

slickwillie2001 on July 15, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Fear not, there’s still Goofy Johnson, the next Arlen Specter of the Republican Party.

slickwillie2001 on July 15, 2012 at 7:53 PM

LOL. Oh yeah!

“The guy (Johnson), that lost to the guy (Paul), that lost to…Romney?”

O_0

(h/t Newt!)

Seriously, I can’t even say his name without losing interest…or sleep.

Gary Johnszzzzzzzzz

Gary…

GARY…..!

Garyyyyyyy…..JOHNzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

BlaxPac on July 15, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Well I just want to chime in here with my own little two bits regarding where Ron Paul’s might end up. My local experience is that the rational, intelligent Paulists will end up going for Mr. Romney in the election in order to kick out Obama and then work from there to convert the Republican party to their ideals. Unfortunately, those folks were only a handful, the majority were involved so they could fight the local LaRouchites.

Still, that handful will be very helpful to the Republican Party’s efforts I am sure.

Shogun144 on July 15, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Libfree complained to Ed and Libfree “banned” itself though I did see him in here yesterday making a quick appearance.

CW on July 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

I knew he wasn’t really banning himself. He’s too much of a narcissist, like his boy king, to not want to garner attention, even the negative kind.

CurtZHP on July 15, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Far from it, in fact she’s basking in the attention and tried to derail a thread to make it all about her. She was warning that she was going to be “montoring threads” for any discussion of her identity.

slickwillie2001 on July 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM

She was warning that she was going to be “montoring threads” for any discussion of her identity.

slickwillie2001 on July 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Is she really Sandra Fluke?

ConcealedKerry on July 15, 2012 at 8:08 PM

The Notorious G.O.P on July 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I’d ask if you are retarded, but you settled that question here a long time ago.

JohnGalt23 on July 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Ron who?

RealMc on July 15, 2012 at 8:15 PM

She was warning that she was going to be “montoring threads” for any discussion of her identity.

slickwillie2001 on July 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Ooooh, I’m scared! Can you hear me, professor?

CurtZHP on July 15, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Describing Romney as pro choice is a Despicable Lie.

Basilsbest on July 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM

I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it. – Mitt Romney

sharrukin on July 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Nice. You justify a lie by quoting a statement he made in 1994 and ignoring many contrary statements made since. By your dishonest standard Reagan was also pro choice.

Basilsbest on July 15, 2012 at 8:23 PM

sharrukin on July 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM
Nice. You justify a lie by quoting a statement he made in 1994 and ignoring many contrary statements made since. By your dishonest standard Reagan was also pro choice.

Basilsbest on July 15, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Thank you…that is what I was going to say…I too have changed my position on abortion, and the woman’s movement. People change, doesn’t mean we are flip-floppers.

lovingmyUSA on July 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

The comments about Ron Paul supporters not voting for Romney because they’ve been insulted by Romney supporters are really pathetic.

Paul supporters on this blog have routinely bashed and insulted Romney supporters like me. (BTW, I am a Romney supporter out of necessity–Odumbo needs to go.) Guess what? It has absolutely no effect on my opinion, or my decision making.

I reject the idea that Paul supporters have to be “courted” and have their butts kissed in exchange for their vote.

To me, this notion smacks of the immaturity of the average Paul supporter. Grow up, will you please?

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Awwww…no Doctor StrangePaul grandstanding at the convention? Now, more than ever, I am proud to be a Nebraskan. You’re very welcome, GOP convention attendees.

Benedict Nelson on July 15, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Benedict Nelson on July 15, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Oh yes…where are my manners…thank you Nebraska!!!

lovingmyUSA on July 15, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Nice. You justify a lie by quoting a statement he made in 1994 and ignoring many contrary statements made since. By your dishonest standard Reagan was also pro choice.

Basilsbest on July 15, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Contrary statements? If we left out contrary statements on Romney’s part he wouldn’t have a record. Contrary statements are the sum total of what makes Mitt Romney.

sharrukin on July 15, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Hot Air is so predictable. RP never had a chance to get a majority of Nebraska delegates. He does have a plurality in more than 5 states, however, and there is a lawsuit pending to unbind the delegates in several states. In any event, for those that think that independent or libertarian leaning voters can go screw, good luck with that.

Virgil Goode (Constitution Party) is polling at 9% in VA (taking most votes from Romney) and Gary Johnson (LP) is polling at around 5% in swing states including Ohio and VA.

Perhaps Romney and the RNC better reconsider alienating libertarians and the Paul supporters in Tampa.

Firefly_76 on July 15, 2012 at 9:06 PM

But…the straw polls…they said…

CrustyB on July 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

“The traveling freak show known as: “Ron & The Paulians” will be back the next election,”

The only traveling freak show will be the GOP who twice now cannot beat one of the most leftest presidential, and now incumbent, candidates in recent memory (yes, MR will lose, w/out any help from Obama voting Ron Paulers). Obama is going to destroy the country, mostly because the best the GOP can do is nominate the only other guy on the planet who also forced U.S. citizens to buy health insurance (who’s also now “begging” Obama for an ‘apology,” — snort! Who’s f@%Ked up idea what that?!). All you anti-Ron Paulers — get ready to cry for another 4 years . . . oh, yeah, blame yourself, not RP, for that.

RomanticIdeal on July 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Oh yes…where are my manners…thank you Nebraska!!!

lovingmyUSA on July 15, 2012 at 8:51 PM

You are welcome, Iowa. Now do us all right in November…

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Ron has the plurality in five states because he clearly won Louisiana, among others. There is ongoing litigation on that issue and I would be shocked if the Court sided with the establishment on the Louisiana issue, although I have set my expectations pretty low with respect to fairness. If you paid ANY attention to the Louisiana convention, you would be disgusted with the way the establishment GOP conducted itself. It shouldn’t matter if you support Ron Paul or not, that type of blatant cheating should never be condoned.

iwasbornwithit on July 15, 2012 at 9:31 PM

All you anti-Ron Paulers — get ready to cry for another 4 years . . . oh, yeah, blame yourself, not RP, for that.

RomanticIdeal on July 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

If Ron Paul been nominated, I’d be voting for Paul.

Should Romney lose in November as you (gleefully) predict, we all lose. Paul supporters, Romney supporters, everyone who loves the USA. Make no mistake about that.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Perhaps Romney and the RNC better reconsider alienating libertarians and the Paul supporters in Tampa.

Firefly_76 on July 15, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Why? Are all 3 of them going to stomp off in a huff?

Paul was good for Paul, but he never was going to break some imagined ceiling against the Libertarian party. He had his shot, and its gone.

If a genuine 3rd party candidate came along, i would consider, but right now, as before, the Libertarian party have no faces or people that will appeal to a large enough audience to with the Primary, let alone a General Election.

BlaxPac on July 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Those who know that Obama can and must defeated ARE ROMNEY SUPPORTERS. Anyone not supporting Romney at this point is simply contributing to Obama’s reelection. For you to constantly campaign for Obama and against our nominee says it all.

bluegill on July 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM
There’s only one choice there that will get rid of ozombiethecommie. Can you guess which it is?

A cookie to the first correct answer.

Wolfmoon on July 15, 2012 at 6:42 PM

First of all I am LDS. But there are some in our Church that do have strange fringe ideas consistent with Communism George Romney was very pro Communism in North Vietnam and Russia both he visited during the VietNam Conflict his son translated for the North in Paris (Mitt). Sure there are some in your church you disagree with. These are not LDS just Mitt beliefs.

There is a better option Impeach Obama with enough Republicans that might be a real possibility. But just getting rid of Obama is not enough. Nixon, GHW Bush and GW Bush were disasters for the Republican Party each making the Democratic Party stronger. Mitt would almost assuredly do the same.

I have been very clear Obama is horrible. But we know so little about Romney and what we do is so troubling (communist?, author of Romney/Obama Care, Obama doing a great jop) voting for such a man is a bridge very much too far for me and many Conservatives. Only difference is I will say it flat out I will not vote for him. Most will say little or nothing and will not vote for him.

I am also saying the world will not end if Obama wins. I go further and say it might be more likely to end with Romney as Romney could further the Progressive (Communist) agenda while Obama can only do so illegally. Far easier to undo illegal EO’s than legal Laws.

One sure thing if we continue down this path with people like Mitt Romney we will wake up one day with no freedom. If we are not already at that point. Mitt does not even recognize the problem. He just thinks he can manage our decline better than Obama. Or he is just lying to us and fully supports Obama. I have no clue. But I will not vote for Liberal Moderate (? Democrat) Romney.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Dante’s gonna be grouchy tomorrow.

Oh, wait….

CurtZHP on July 15, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Why? Are all 3 of them going to stomp off in a huff?

BlaxPac on July 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Actually I believe there will be more than 300 credentialed Paul-supporting delegates on the convention floor in Tampa, plus thousands of additional supporters going to Paul Fest and his pre-convention rallies next door.

Firefly_76 on July 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Should Romney lose in November as you (gleefully) predict, we all lose. Paul supporters, Romney supporters, everyone who loves the USA. Make no mistake about that.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Saying this does not make it so.

I say we will come out stronger more energised more determined to end the bad things going on in Washington.

Let us face it. Romney loves what Congress does he is part of the 9% in America that loves Congress. Most Americans hate Washington. They hate the way Washington is destroying all that is dear in America. Mitt is not even promising to make any of this better. Just manage our decline better than Obama.

I love the USA but Mitt Romneys actual record shows a love for Government as usual. That I hate. I want to get back to what made America Great. Romney wants to change America into something he may actually feel would be better Socialism. Few Americans agree with this vision. Almost none would if they actually studied it and saw how this always ends. Very ugly.

I do not want a President that wants to get along with Congress. I want a President to shake up Congress and get it back to it’s roots and will wait for one. Mitt Romney would take us in the opposite direction.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Yes, I think it’s a mega-mistake to dismiss Ron Paul’s youthful supporters as pot-smoking Occupier wannabees. Not close! These kids are ultra-conservative, but on the drug issue, they’ve thought that out. They think it’s a stupid lost war, and an assault on freedom. Better to embrace rather than insult these kids, because, of course, they are the future.

anotherJoe on July 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

I agree and I’m no kid. The War on Drugs has led to the militarization of police who kill people and their dogs when they do yet another no-knock raid on the wrong house. It lets cops steal people’s property under the guise of confiscation, and leads them to lying and setting people up by claiming that they and their dogs can “smell” pot from the sidewalk. It led to the murder of Brian Terry and 300 innocent Mexicans. It’s caused drug cartels to take over countries to the south. On top of all that, it’s a huge drain on taxpayers at all levels of government and does nothing to reduce drug use. Did none of these people who promote such a stupid ‘war’ learn history lessons from Prohibition?

The Republican Party is foolish if they don’t listen to libertarians. They already pushed Gary Johnson away, a man who was a fantastic governor for NM. Instead of helping Rand Paul, Jim DeMint, and Mike Lee in the Senate, he’s now running as the Libertarian Party candidate. What a waste.

So far, I have yet to hear sincere plans for a true limited government and spending from Republican Party leadership. They seem to think it’s OK to spend as long as they spend our money on their vote-buying causes instead of the left’s.

Common Sense on July 15, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Actually I believe there will be more than 300 credentialed Paul-supporting delegates on the convention floor in Tampa,

Woooo-WEEE! Pauls got the Establishment *right* where he wants them!

300 out of how many needed to even make more than a hissy fit at the convention? Not saying it’s not impressive he gotten *any* delegates, but it’s hardly put him in the catbirds seat.

plus thousands of additional supporters going to Paul Fest and his pre-convention rallies next door.

Firefly_76 on July 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Okay, so instead of getting more support at the convention that *does* matter, he’s gonna have a “how great am I?” party next door to show us he could get elected?

Nope, it’s not foolin’ anyone, except the die-hard supporters….and they weren’t that hard to trick in the first place, most of ‘em.

BlaxPac on July 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I guarantee more Paul supports will vote for Obama than for Romney. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.
The Notorious G.O.P on July 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM

My son who supported Ron Paul will not vote for Romney.

Those that supported Ron Pauls Liberal views on Social and Military isues will vote for Obama or not vote.

Now those that were for the Fiscal Conservative views of Ron Paul will not vote for Obama. But few will actually vote for Romney either. Romney is almost the same as Obama on this both would increase spending and taxes (Romney in fees most likely).

Overall I would say few Paul supporters will actually vote for Romney though most would probably tell a pollster they would.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Thank you for trying, Ron. In the end, there’s only so much you could do with a nation where 1/3rd of the voters are welfare sellouts and another 1/3rd are warmongering loons.

Thus passes our last hope at political reform, folk. The more moderate Rand Paul won’t be able to do anything in time. Gary Johnson has zero name recognition. Prepare for the Rebumblicans to do what they do best: win and promptly start acting like and kowtowing to liberals.

MelonCollie on July 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Let us face it. Romney loves what Congress does he is part of the 9% in America that loves Congress.

Saying this does not make it so.

Mitt is not even promising to make any of this better. Just manage our decline better than Obama.

A President Romney would sign legislation passed by Congress that could make things better (should Congress actually pass such legislation). Obama will not.

Romney wants to change America into something he may actually feel would be better Socialism.

Where do you get this idea?

I want a President to shake up Congress and get it back to it’s roots and will wait for one.

Huh? A President who “shakes up” Congress? What kind of jive nonsense are you talking? Good luck with that.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 10:04 PM

So far, I have yet to hear sincere plans for a true limited government and spending from Republican Party leadership. They seem to think it’s OK to spend as long as they spend our money on their vote-buying causes instead of the left’s.

Common Sense on July 15, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Amen.

Mitt Romney seems to want to spend money on everything under the sun. Make cuts far in the future (never). It is really hard to see the difference in his plan and Obamas other than Mitt does want to give the States more control and Obama wants control in Washington. Although Mitts State control is only if they do it Mitts way. So control is not real.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Those that supported Ron Pauls Liberal views on Social and Military isues will vote for Obama or not vote.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I don’t think that many that supported Paul on social or military issues will vote for Obama. On the war on drugs, Obama has been indistinguishable from any authoritarian candidate. On gay marriage and abortion, RP adopted federalist positions generally, preferring that states and local communities deal with social issues (these are no federal concerns). Can’t see people believing in federalism necessarily voting for Obama.

On military issues, Obama has been Bush on steroids. Increased presence in Afghanistan, increased use (foreign and domestic) of drones, extension of PARTIOT Act, unconstitutional use of force in Libya, NDAA, and on and on.

Firefly_76 on July 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

First of all I am LDS. But there are some in our Church that do have strange fringe ideas consistent with Communism George Romney was very pro Communism in North Vietnam and Russia both he visited during the VietNam Conflict his son translated for the North in Paris (Mitt). Sure there are some in your church you disagree with. These are not LDS just Mitt beliefs.

There is a better option Impeach Obama with enough Republicans that might be a real possibility. But just getting rid of Obama is not enough. Nixon, GHW Bush and GW Bush were disasters for the Republican Party each making the Democratic Party stronger. Mitt would almost assuredly do the same.

I have been very clear Obama is horrible. But we know so little about Romney and what we do is so troubling (communist?, author of Romney/Obama Care, Obama doing a great jop) voting for such a man is a bridge very much too far for me and many Conservatives. Only difference is I will say it flat out I will not vote for him. Most will say little or nothing and will not vote for him.

I am also saying the world will not end if Obama wins. I go further and say it might be more likely to end with Romney as Romney could further the Progressive (Communist) agenda while Obama can only do so illegally. Far easier to undo illegal EO’s than legal Laws.

One sure thing if we continue down this path with people like Mitt Romney we will wake up one day with no freedom. If we are not already at that point. Mitt does not even recognize the problem. He just thinks he can manage our decline better than Obama. Or he is just lying to us and fully supports Obama. I have no clue. But I will not vote for Liberal Moderate (? Democrat) Romney.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Very well said and I’m not saying Steveangell is voting for Ron Paul but I am. I will not vote for white Obama. As an American citizen I DO NOT have to conform and vote for whoever they tell me to. I can vote for anyone I dang well please. It is sickening to me to hear “conservatives” tell me, “you have to vote for Romney because we can’t have Obama.” I WILL vote for Ron Paul. I am 40, I do not smoke pot, nor drink, and I am a Christian. Romney was for abortion. Is he now? I do not know but that issue is very important to me and I’m not going to take a chance that he has now changed (evolved maybe). Romney defends Romneycare as a state’s right issue. That is just an indication to me that he thinks it’s okay to steal from one group and redistribute it to another. It’s a window to his he is. And last but not least, to have someone say, “a vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama” is insane. You’re telling me that voting for someone whose been consistent for 26 years, ALWAYS defends the Constitution, and is a descent man (regardless of how many times he’s made out to be a fool and made fun of) is wasting my vote? Well then, I will gladly waste it. I can sleep on that vote.

air_up_there on July 15, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Romney wants to change America into something he may actually feel would be better Socialism. Where do you get this idea?

Romneys record. His move from Utah to Mass to run so late it was challanged (though these days residency requirement is never enforced). His fight for Romney Care the golden standard of Socialism. First thing Hitler did for the National Socialist Party.

I want a President to shake up Congress and get it back to it’s roots and will wait for one.

Huh? A President who “shakes up” Congress? What kind of jive nonsense are you talking? Good luck with that.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 10:04 PM

I think the country is ready for this. Once Romney loses people will become even more concerned and far more will pay attention. The Tea Party is making a big difference it just takes time.

We are wining it will just take more time. It is better to impeach Obama and Romney is not calling for that even now after Obama rewrote the Welfare Reform illegally totally impeachable offence if anything ever was. Kings can do that Presidents are not allowed to. But Romney could care less. Romney just wants to be King.

Surly you do not see 9% Approval of Congress as a mandate for more Washington DC as it now is.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM

air_up_there on July 15, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Enjoy your next four years of 0.

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

On military issues, Obama has been Bush on steroids. Increased presence in Afghanistan, increased use (foreign and domestic) of drones, extension of PARTIOT Act, unconstitutional use of force in Libya, NDAA, and on and on.

Firefly_76 on July 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Only to win reelection.

He has pulled out of Iraq and is pulling out of Afghanistan even though it is becoming clear both will become radical Islamic States.

He just continued the Bush strategy except he now murders terrorist instead of capturing them. But he is also leaking now so they know how to not get caught.

Like I said. Only to win reelection. After the election he will be much like Paul would have been.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

air_up_there on July 15, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Enjoy your next four years of 0.

Bmore on July 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

If that’s what happens, then so be it. I will not be scared into voting for Romney. There is NO difference in the two. Romney is pathetic and a liberal in sheep’s clothing. At least Obama is clear about being a socialist. He doesn’t try to hide it.

air_up_there on July 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

The machine got their candidate and we should have all known what the outcome would be. Santorum and Paul shook up the machine and they got rid of Santorum but Paul was a little harder. The Louisiana republican machine showed their arse at the convention. It’s time the conservatives to take the party back that we held once with Reagan. Granted Santorum and Paul are not Reagan but Romney ain’t even close. How the hell did Mr. O get in office? How far has our dear country fallen?

Sid on July 15, 2012 at 10:46 PM

As one of those afformentioned “young Ron Paul supporter” I can tell you that no one I know that is a Paul supporter would vote for either Romney or Obama. They would sooner not vote (like I’m doing) than vote for either of them.

The generational divide is evident in this primary cycle. The baby boomers are getting their SS and Medicaid and Medicare at any cost, even on the backs of their children and grand children. It’s the younger generation that knows that this system is unsustainable and that we are being left with indebted to our government.

Quit writing us off as immature or unaware of what’s going on. “Those who criticize this generation forget who raised it.”

neightkelly on July 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM

The generational divide is evident in this primary cycle. The baby boomers are getting their SS and Medicaid and Medicare at any cost, even on the backs of their children and grand children. It’s the younger generation that knows that this system is unsustainable and that we are being left with indebted to our government.

Quit writing us off as immature or unaware of what’s going on. “Those who criticize this generation forget who raised it.”

neightkelly on July 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I think you are reading this wrong. I am 59 but agree with your feeling most my age do.

9% Approve of Congress and politicians like Mitt. But they have the money to pull the wool over the Americans eyes and win the nominations of both parties. Thus everything remains the same direction.

Many are awake to what is going on it is just how to stop it. Tea Party Conservative back to Americas beginning is what works. Gods laws enshrined in the Constitution.

Paul does not understand the Constitution. The Constitution was written to protect America from Pirates especially our first war was with the same Islamist as in Afghanistan but these were in Libya. But we fought them prior to 1776 even. We were anything but isolationist. Don’t tread on me was out motto. That is far from isolationist. We protected our international rights vigorously from the beginning of this nation. It is not the War in Afghanistan that is the problem it is that we will not fight it. Wars are all about killing civilians until they force their government to change the policies that are treading on us. Instead we try to police these Nations. That can not possibly work. We have to send a clear message mess with the USA and we will destroy your country. Let you fix it yourself unless you run it exactly like we want you to.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM

We are wining it will just take more time. It is better to impeach Obama and Romney is not calling for that even now after Obama rewrote the Welfare Reform illegally totally impeachable offence if anything ever was. Kings can do that Presidents are not allowed to. But Romney could care less. Romney just wants to be King.

Surly you do not see 9% Approval of Congress as a mandate for more Washington DC as it now is.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Calling for the impeachment of the first black POTUS, are you? I can’t stand Odumbo, and I’m outraged by his complete disregard for the Constitution. If the media weren’t completely in the tank for democrats, or if Odumbo had an (R) after his name, there’d be mass protests and he’d be stopped. Surely you can’t believe there’s any chance in hell that Obama will be impeached? Embrace reality.

What I believe (contrary to what you already stated in this thread) is that America cannot “live through” another four years of Obama. To have the stagnation of a moronic D president, and a R House would be fine if we weren’t sliding to our demise. But, four more years of nothing will be enough to finish us off.

Nowhere have I ever said that I thought anything but contempt for Congress. I’m not sure a bigger group of scumbags has ever been assembled.

Finally, your statement, “Romney just wants to be King,” is utterly ludicrous.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Granted Santorum and Paul are not Reagan but Romney ain’t even close. How the hell did Mr. O get in office? How far has our dear country fallen?

Sid on July 15, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Well, we can’t hardly dig Reagan up, can we? Personally, I wasn’t thrilled with any of the GOP candidates who ran. ALL of them have their flaws. There were several people who I would have been more enthusiastic about, but they didn’t run.

There is no perfect candidate as there is no perfect person. IMO, Romney’s a much preferred choice over Odumbo. Simple.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Calling for the impeachment of the first black POTUS, are you? I can’t stand Odumbo, and I’m outraged by his complete disregard for the Constitution. If the media weren’t completely in the tank for democrats, or if Odumbo had an (R) after his name, there’d be mass protests and he’d be stopped. Surely you can’t believe there’s any chance in hell that Obama will be impeached? Embrace reality.

What I believe (contrary to what you already stated in this thread) is that America cannot “live through” another four years of Obama. To have the stagnation of a moronic D president, and a R House would be fine if we weren’t sliding to our demise. But, four more years of nothing will be enough to finish us off.

Nowhere have I ever said that I thought anything but contempt for Congress. I’m not sure a bigger group of scumbags has ever been assembled.

Finally, your statement, “Romney just wants to be King,” is utterly ludicrous.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM

I said nothing about his color. Are you a bigot?

I could care less his color. But if being Black in America means you can not be fired from a job or impeached we are one sorry Country.

The Media is totally for Socialism. So are we just supposed to give up and surrender to them. This is our country and only 9% agree with them. Take it back.

Either Romney says Obama should be impeached or he wants the same power for himself. He does not even attack Obama over these unconstitutional power grabs. He says nothing hardly at all about it. Thus only conclusion is Romney wants to be King.

If you have contempt for Congress well that is what Romney is all about. He has stated over and over he will get things done like he did in Mass. That means with the Democrats by the way. Is that really what you are for? You see it really is that simple. Romney loves Congress and wants to work with them. I detest Congress and want to see most of them removed from office.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I said nothing about his color. Are you a bigot?

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Don’t call me a bigot, jackass.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Heartache is one word….

Allendundit on July 15, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I said nothing about his color. Are you a bigot?

I could care less his color. But if being Black in America means you can not be fired from a job or impeached we are one sorry Country.

The Media is totally for Socialism. So are we just supposed to give up and surrender to them. This is our country and only 9% agree with them. Take it back.

Either Romney says Obama should be impeached or he wants the same power for himself. He does not even attack Obama over these unconstitutional power grabs. He says nothing hardly at all about it. Thus only conclusion is Romney wants to be King.

If you have contempt for Congress well that is what Romney is all about. He has stated over and over he will get things done like he did in Mass. That means with the Democrats by the way. Is that really what you are for? You see it really is that simple. Romney loves Congress and wants to work with them. I detest Congress and want to see most of them removed from office.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I wished HotAir had a “like” button.

air_up_there on July 15, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Ron Paul is a good man, a good public servant, & a good politician. He is the 1 closest to the great Founding Fathers of the USA. He blows away Mitt Romney. If you miss this point, it shows more about your self-imposed limitations than it shows anything about Ron Paul. If only you realized how pathetic you are by your negative or dismissive attitude of this great man. This pathetic attitude is a major factor directly responsible for how a multitude of things played out to get the USA to the low point it is in today. Get your act together. To all who get the point & see the good in Ron Paul, keep up the good work; onward & upward.

ABLOGMAN on July 15, 2012 at 11:56 PM

I said nothing about his color. Are you a bigot?

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Don’t call me a bigot, jackass.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Hey you were the one that brought color into it. Why?

You trying to shut me up by calling me a racist? Playing the “Black Card”?

That did not work so now you just call me names. Real mature /s

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Those that supported Ron Pauls Liberal views on Social and Military isues will vote for Obama or not vote.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I support, as fully as I possibly can, Ron Paul’s views on both Social issues and on military spending. And I will be voting for Mitt Romney in October.

Which pretty much leaves you looking like a bald-faced liar.

JohnGalt23 on July 15, 2012 at 11:58 PM

ABLOGMAN on July 15, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Right back at you Ablogman. Keep up the good work yourself.

air_up_there on July 15, 2012 at 11:59 PM

He has pulled out of Iraq

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

What world are you living in? The State Department tried everything it could to extend the SOFA, and were rejected by the Iraqis.

We didn’t “pull out” of Iraq… we got our arses kicked out.

JohnGalt23 on July 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

The question that should be on everyones minds is, what will the Ron Paul supporters do now that the GOP has managed to piss them off again?

They are organized thus they remain relevant. I believe that we’ll see an increase in Johnsons polling numbers, and you can thank the GOP elitists for that instead of trying to label me as an 0bama supporter, RomneyCareBots.

I wonder if the RomBots will finally sign up as volunteers once Willards polling numbers tank. Probably not since they could care less if 0bama gets his second term and they have no good reasons to offer for voting for the instigator of 0bamacare.

Actions always speaks louder than words.

DannoJyd on July 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

We didn’t “pull out” of Iraq… we got our arses kicked out.

JohnGalt23 on July 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Exactly right, but most people still do not know that thanks to the liberal media.

Chalk it up as yet another reason for NEVER trusting ANY liberal.

Would that be considered surrendering by default? /s

DannoJyd on July 16, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I wished HotAir had a “like” button.

air_up_there on July 15, 2012 at 11:48 PM

…they don’t…but you could get a room!

KOOLAID2 on July 16, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Hey I have an idea. Lets all be tantrum voters and let 0 win big. Pissy pants the lot of you!

Bmore on July 16, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Either Romney says Obama should be impeached or he wants the same power for himself. He does not even attack Obama over these unconstitutional power grabs. He says nothing hardly at all about it. Thus only conclusion is Romney wants to be King.

Steveangell

Yep, that is the only conclusion….if you’re a moron. Here’s another thought….maybe he’s trying to win the election. Sheesh, and I thought liberals were dumb. It’s clear we have our own share of the not-so-bright on our side too.

I wished HotAir had a “like” button.

air_up_there

And a “mental patient” button.

Hey you were the one that brought color into it. Why?

You trying to shut me up by calling me a racist? Playing the “Black Card”?

Steveangell

If you have to ask, you’re even dumber than we thought. But don’t confuse yourself with such nonsense, just take another hit off the bong and drift off into your drug-induced alternate reality where the first Black president somehow gets impeached by racist Republicans 3 1/2 months before the election and gets kicked out of office after the senate that is controlled by his own party votes to remove him, lol. Like, sure, that could happen.

xblade on July 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM

Oh, here for you dissociative Dr. Paul supporters, something to cheer you up.

War Pigs

Bmore on July 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM

plurality is a word that does not need to exist.

bbhack on July 16, 2012 at 12:44 AM

xblade on July 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM

I cannot imagine how your post could be less relevant.

Bmore on July 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Say! Ready to share with us all your efforts after volunteering with the GOP as a Romney supporter yet? /smug

DannoJyd on July 16, 2012 at 12:44 AM

I see the idiots arrived.

To stupid to reason so they just call names and make illogical assumptions or lie to make a supposed point.

I am just sick and tired of Congress having a 9% approval rating yet they are the ones picking the Candidates for both parties. That by definition means 91% of Americans disapprove yet we live under the illusion that we have a choice.

This approval goes down and down yet the same kind of people get elected.

Time to take America back from Washing DC Establishment people like Mitt Romney and Barrack Obama.

Do not believe the lie that this Presidential Election is so imperative that Obama get thrown out. It is not. Sure would be nice to do so but Mitt will do far more damage than just leaving Obama in office. His EO’s can easily be undone.

Steveangell on July 16, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Do not believe the lie that this Presidential Election is so imperative that Obama get thrown out. It is not. Sure would be nice to do so but Mitt will do far more damage than just leaving Obama in office. His EO’s can easily be undone.

Steveangell on July 16, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Oh, f**king groan!

Loserspeak, Lesson 1 right there…

JohnGalt23 on July 16, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Oh, good grief . . . you want more Kagan and Wise Latina on the SCOTUS bench????

Voter from WA State on July 16, 2012 at 1:47 AM

Well thankfully this time we had John Roberts so he…oh, wait?

sharrukin on July 16, 2012 at 1:55 AM

He could sweep the floors and clean the toilets.

SansJeux on July 16, 2012 at 2:02 AM

Five more years. Let 0 keep the WH.

Bmore on July 16, 2012 at 2:13 AM

I think you meant *smug*/

Bmore on July 16, 2012 at 2:16 AM

This is the problem you get when the AP writes a story without research and everyone just picks it up.

Ron Paul already has at least 5 states: IA, NV, LA, MN and ME. He may have others, depending on who shows up in Tampa.

NV being bound on the first ballot vote is ONLY bound on the first ballot vote, not on the nomination which occurs as a separate process before a ‘ballot’ is created.

NV could vote to nominate Ron without voting for him on the first ballot vote, which occurs AFTER the nominee speeches.

windwardtack on July 16, 2012 at 2:26 AM

NV could vote to nominate Ron without voting for him on the first ballot vote, which occurs AFTER the nominee speeches.

windwardtack on July 16, 2012 at 2:26 AM

Sure they could nominate him…but why would a state that he doesn’t even represent do that when the state he *does* represent hasn’t done it since he’s been in office?

Look I get it. A lot of people want to go a 3rd way, but just because Paul echos a lot of that thought doesn’t mean he’s the right one. Otherwise he would have been President by now.

When a 3rd party places a viable candidate to run for office, that candidate will win, regardless of how the MSM tries to suppress: Breitbart, Drudge, Rush, PJTV, Hot Air…they all prove that you can put out information and let the people decide where to go.

BUT, in the meantime, any 3rd Party candidate needs to be vetted just like the others. If that candidate sounds like a crank, I won’t vote for him, 3rd Party or not.

BlaxPac on July 16, 2012 at 3:27 AM

First of all I am LDS.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I highly doubt that, someone who has said the things about Romney that you have would have a pretty hard time getting a temple recommend.

Saying this does not make it so.

Steveangell on July 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

A statement which applies to virtually everything you have said since the start of the primaries.

Alberta_Patriot on July 16, 2012 at 5:07 AM

I reject the idea that Paul supporters have to be “courted” and have their butts kissed in exchange for their vote.

RedCrow on July 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I can understand courting the base. They are a sizable and necessary component to victory. I don’t know how large is the Ron Paul bloc or what exactly would have to be promised to them that would differ from said base. I have never been a fan of Mittens, but I accept that we must band together to rid the country of the disease of Obamunism. I won’t bad-mouth the RP supporters who refuse to vote for Romney, but I will remind them that a second Obama term will be the death of both libertarianism and conservatism. We have too many things in common to let the differences distract from the primary objective.

SKYFOX on July 16, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Time to coalesce around the Mitt Romney, the guy who supports socialized health care in his own state but *NOT* for the country. A true CAPITALIST to save us from that SOCIALIST OBAMA!!!

/sarc

Lord on July 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Jazz has made it abundantly clear in many blog entries that he loves an authoritarian government, and he’s a reliable mouthpiece for the police state. Given that, his attitude toward a Constitutionalist is unsurprising.

Dante on July 16, 2012 at 8:26 AM

By their works shall ye know them. Mitts works are 100% evil as Governor. That was after he was Bishop and Stake President.

Mitt is pure EVIL.

Steveangell on April 6, 2012 at 6:25 PM

His religion is what makes him pure evil though.

Steveangell on April 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Both are very evil men serving Satan in my opinion. I can not vote for an Anti-Christian.

Steveangell on May 24, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Steveangell is probably the wackiest commenter on this site, and that’s saying a lot. Yes, Steveangell claims to be LDS and says nice things about Mormons now and then. I’ll take him at his word regarding that, but I find it disgusting how Steveangell frequently plays the “holier than thou” card by posting the most over-the-top, far-fetched, outlandish and despicable lies about Mitt, constantly and laughably calling Mitt a terrible Mormon and an evil man who is in league with the devil.

If Steveangell is not simply an Obama-supporting liberal troll playing a nutball character online that he has created, as some have suggested, then I guess he serves as a reminder that “crazy” is not just found on the left-wing sites. Sigh. One thing I’ve noticed reading these comments is that the wackiest, most demented-sounding commenters on this site are usually among the handful of habitual Mitt-bashers. I have to believe that some of these people must be liberal MOBY trolls.

bluegill on July 16, 2012 at 8:50 AM

bluegill on July 16, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Whoa. Do you save posts and keep files on what people say???

That is creepy and not unstable behavior at all.

Dante on July 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Jazz has made it abundantly clear in many blog entries that he loves an authoritarian government, and he’s a reliable mouthpiece for the police state. Given that, his attitude toward a Constitutionalist is unsurprising.

Dante on July 16, 2012 at 8:26 AM

Boo hoo. Sounds like someone is a little cranky after coming to the realization that not everyone is head-over-heels infatuated with the isolationist and Islamic terrorism apologist Ron Paul. Yes, Ron Paul has made plenty of good economic arguments and has brought attention to important but often-overlooked domestic issues, but the man never had a chance in the race from Day One and would have been a terrible president. Doesn’t mean Ron Paul can’t play some kind of useful role in the future.

I expect Ron Paul to endorse Romney, since even Ron Paul knows that we must defeat Obama by electing Romney. Paul’s genuine supporters know this as well. It’s mostly Paul’s liberal supporters and his small bunch of grandstanding “look how principled I am voting third party and throwing my vote away and helping Obama” fake conservative poseurs who don’t. Luckily, these kinds of people won’t even so much as register as a blip in the final election result.

bluegill on July 16, 2012 at 9:05 AM


Hey, HA – you allow a full page add when the web site comes up and I move on for awhile. Stop that.

Ron Who?

TerryW on July 16, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Gary Johnson for president in 2012. Romney might be the nicest man in the world, but he is not the fix. He’ll expand government at roughly the same rate as Oblowme, will NOT get Obamacare repealed, and will continue piling debt on top of debt. Socialism cannot be allowed to continue in this country.

libertarianlunatic on July 16, 2012 at 9:22 AM

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