The “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ generation is now robbing everyone under 30

posted at 1:21 pm on July 12, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Almost fifty years ago, teenagers and young adults proclaimed, “Don’t trust anyone over 30!”  These days, though, the same generation seems intent on impoverishing everyone under 30 now, as Nick Gillespie argues at Reason.  From ObamaCare to efforts at reimposing a draft for military or national service to the refusal to address the obvious entitlement collapse rapidly approaching, the generation that sang “hope I die before I get old” seems more content to use its grandchildren as ATMs in their final years  (via Instapundit):

You’re not getting screwed by billionaires and plutocrats. You’re getting screwed by Mom and Dad.

Systematically and in all sorts of ways. Old people are doing everything possible to rob you of your money, your future, your dignity, and your freedom.

Here’s the irony, too (in a sort of Alanis Morissette sense): You’re getting hosed by the very same group that 45 years ago was bitching and moaning about “the generation gap” and how their parents just didn’t understand what really mattered in life.

You mean the generation that rebelled at the imposition of a draft in order to properly resource an unpopular war? Er …

Did you read that New York Times op-ed that called for a brand-spankin’ new military draft and national service plan? “Let’s Draft Our Kids,” by veteran (read: old, born in 1955) journalist Thomas Ricks, is symptomatic of the new vibe, a kind of reverse Logan’s Run scenario. In that godawful 1976 flick, when you turned 30, you were killed for the common good. Nowadays, it’s more like life begins at 30. Which is confusing because 40 is the new 30 and 50 is the new 40 and on and on. The important thing: Youth is no longer to be wasted on the young.

Neither are the resources of youth:

But here’s the real rub, kids: You’re getting screwed by Social Security, a program that is now more sacrosanct to aging boomers than Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band. You’re paying more into the system than you’re ever going to get out. No wonder it’s mandatory. C. Eugene Steuerle and Stephanie Rennane put out a study for the Urban Institute last summer that should have caused far more riots than anything that happened at Zuccotti Park. They document that folks making average wages who retired in 2010 will get a raw deal over the coming decades. The deal will only get worse if you retire in, say, 2030. Read it and weep, kids, and don’t believe it when old people who are either already on Social Security or about to join that club tell you it’s part of a generational bargain that can’t be changed even if retirees are totally wealthy compared to you.

An even better example, one which Nick doesn’t use but is much more immediate and clear, is ObamaCare.  True, the law mandates that insurance companies keep “children” on their parents’ policies until the age of 26.  At that point, though, the law forces adults to purchase expensive comprehensive policies that make financial sense for few adults below middle age, if then.  A comprehensive policy in Minnesota cost an average of $32oo a year, with a moderate deductible but 100% coverage for “wellness” services.  In a free market with price signals that actually reach consumers, those activities might cost $500 a year, but probably significantly less.

A hospitalization policy combined with HSAs would make much better financial sense for young adults, cost less, and would lower insurance companies’ overhead by reducing their role in routine health-care activities.  That, however, would force insurance companies to charge much more for comprehensive insurance policies to middle-age consumers.  ObamaCare forces young adults to spend much more than necessary — and far more than they receive in services — in order to subsidize the costs of comprehensive insurance to pre-Medicare older adults.

Younger voters have to bear a lot of the responsibility for their plight, since they enthusiastically supported Barack Obama in 2008, ensuring his election.  Perhaps four years of economic stagnation and pocket-picking will make them wiser this time around.

Update: Got my overs and unders confused on the headline — it’s fixed now, and in the post, too.


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Have liberals completed their march through the school of hard knocks yet?

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Are you sure it wasn’t “Don’t trust anyone OVER 30!” … The under 30 thing doesn’t really jive.

preallocated on July 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Don’t trust anyone Over 30 – not under 30.

rhombus on July 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Eh… shouldn’t that be “don’t trust anyone OVER 30?”

Red Cloud on July 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I think you mean “don’t trust anyone OVER 30″, Ed

BuzzCrutcher on July 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Granted I was only a teenager than but wasn’t it “Don’t trust anybody OVER 30″ not UNDER 30.

SilntThnkr on July 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Isn’t the old rant: “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ instead ?

bayview on July 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM

The “Don’t trust anyone under 30″ generation is now robbing everyone under 30

Where is my cut of this money then…

SWalker on July 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Nobody under fifty should expect to get a social security check. They’re robbing everybody, and their taste in music is awful.

michaelthomas on July 12, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Don’t you mean “Never trust anyone over thirty?

I’m thinking of that ridiculous movie from 1968 “Wild in the Streets” with Christopher Jones.

cheeflo on July 12, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Granted I was only a teenager than but wasn’t it “Don’t trust anybody OVER 30″ not UNDER 30.

SilntThnkr on July 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM

If it was the way that Ed has posted it, then when they were young they got it right.

Stoic Patriot on July 12, 2012 at 1:27 PM

preallocated on July 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Gotta agree with preallocated.

Ed, you probably got the quote wrong because you never used it. Good for you.

rwenger43 on July 12, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Don’t trust anyone under 30.

Don’t trust anyone over 30.

More accurate.

portlandon on July 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM
preallocated on July 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM
rhombus on July 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM
Red Cloud on July 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM
BuzzCrutcher on July 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM
SilntThnkr on July 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM
bayview on July 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM

ROTFLMAO….. See that Bishop, that’s how it’s really done, Ed just made you look like an amateur.

SWalker on July 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Heh…
Ed’s getting older, like me.

OmahaConservative on July 12, 2012 at 1:29 PM

What is the over/under on Ed correcting his mistake?

NotCoach on July 12, 2012 at 1:29 PM

The best, or saddest, part of that photo is all the idiotic Millenials cheering as their future is mortgaged away by 0bama and the progressives to pay for “free” stuff.

But hey, 0bama is way cooler than a boring old white guy who probably doesn’t even have a Twitter account! I know that’s how I decide who to vote for!

MidniteRambler on July 12, 2012 at 1:30 PM

“Don’t trust anyone under 30″

Does Justin Bieber happen to fall under this category? PLEASE SAY YES!!!!

pilamaye on July 12, 2012 at 1:30 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/cutter-romney-a-liar-potential-criminal

Obama deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter suggested that Mitt Romney may be a criminal on a conference call with reporters this morning about a Boston Globe report that shows that Romney stayed at Bain Capital three years past when he said he’d left.

Cutter said that there were two ways to interpret the story. The first: Mitt Romney was “misrepresenting his position” at Bain to the Securities and Exchange Commission, “which is a felony.”

I just contributed again to the Romney campaign, thank you Ms. Cutter for inspiring the new donation.

……and we’re doing it to save it for the generation under 30….

..OUR KIDS, so they might have a country left where they aren’t just TEATERS sucking off your federally provided sow.

Communist Democrats, filth all of them.

PappyD61 on July 12, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Don’t worry, I’m sure Ed will be tidying this up in a minute. We all knew what he meant.

Kristamatic on July 12, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Young people support all of these kinds of policies and more…they vote for people like Barack Obama…the OWS movement was mostly young…so I have a feeling that whatever the baby boomers are doing to them, they will be doing the same thing and more of it to their own children. Assuming they have children.

Terrye on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

The Hippie Generation: “Don’t trust anyone over 30!”

The Twitter Generation: “Dont trust anything over 140 characters!”

Kaisersoze on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Sorry about that … fixed now. I was too busy chanting, “People to the power …”

Ed Morrissey on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Update: Got my overs and unders confused on the headline — it’s fixed now.

First sentence of your post still reflects previously incorrect headline.

NotCoach on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

My lack of trust has nothing to do with age. I just don’t trust any of the pigs in Congress, the White House or the Supreme Court, and the voting pigs who’ve enabled the political pigs.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Ed Morrissey on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

heh

cmsinaz on July 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I don’t know why this is such a big deal. “They” voted for Obama in overwhelming numbers, and, no doubt, will again in November. “They” think someone else is going to pay the bill, and “they” are going to get a rude awakening.

RADIOONE on July 12, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Terrye on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I think about this sometimes, and it seems like there is a slice of sane people between the Baby Boomers and the kids now who are a result of total indoctrination by the public school system. Will our generation be enough to stand athwart history yelling stop? I hope so.

Kristamatic on July 12, 2012 at 1:35 PM

All true, and not rocket science, but clearly too complicated for your average college-educated Obama supporter.

BKeyser on July 12, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Old people are doing everything possible to rob you of your money, your future, your dignity, and your freedom.

I suppose we could go back to the Old World solution where families took care of their own. But then, those poor, oppressed kids would no doubt angrily decry the robbing of money, future, dignity and freedom that would entail. So, I guess we’ll just have to march all the old people out into the wilderness to die instead.

littleguy on July 12, 2012 at 1:39 PM

And since I just donated to Bachmann, West and Romney…..

…..maybe there will be people that will actually support having something for these “under 30″ types.

PappyD61 on July 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Younger voters have to bear a lot of the responsibility for their plight, since they enthusiastically supported Barack Obama in 2008, ensuring his election. Perhaps four years of economic stagnation and pocket-picking will make them wiser this time around.

…NOPE!…they’re still dumb…and the indocternization in our educational system…has increased!

KOOLAID2 on July 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

I hear the Obama scum election advisers want to talk about Romney’s “STASH”………

How about talking about OBAMA and his “STASH”?

PappyD61 on July 12, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Sorry about that … fixed now. I was too busy chanting, “People to the power …”

Ed Morrissey on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

…you made me spew spittle!

KOOLAID2 on July 12, 2012 at 1:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tqH7UrzOw

And Ms. Cutter..

how about we talk about these supporters of YOURS.

PappyD61 on July 12, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Younger voters have to bear a lot of the responsibility for their plight, since they enthusiastically supported Barack Obama in 2008, ensuring his election. Perhaps four years of economic stagnation and pocket-picking will make them wiser this time around.

Heh. Don’t bet on it.
Most of them are too misinformed to know what’s going on. They think it’s the “rich 1%” and the Mitt Romneys of the world abusing them, not their heros on the left.

DRayRaven on July 12, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Old people are doing everything possible to rob you of your money, your future, your dignity, and your freedom.

I suppose we could go back to the Old World solution where families took care of their own. But then, those poor, oppressed kids would no doubt angrily decry the robbing of money, future, dignity and freedom that would entail. So, I guess we’ll just have to march all the old people out into the wilderness to die instead.

littleguy on July 12, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Won’t matter. Zerohedge point to a trend of the young and healthy abandonning Portugal in droves.

Dying in the wilderness. Headed your way.

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM

I suppose we could go back to the Old World solution where families took care of their own. But then, those poor, oppressed kids would no doubt angrily decry the robbing of money, future, dignity and freedom that would entail. So, I guess we’ll just have to march all the old people out into the wilderness to die instead.

littleguy on July 12, 2012 at 1:39 PM

1 Timothy 5:8 -

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM

The “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ generation is now robbing everyone under 30

Well, if everyone under 30 is just going to stand there for the mugging, why not? Good going “anyone over 30″ gen for infiltrating education, media, entertainment and government and dumbing down and distracting so many under the age of 30 that they don’t fully appreciate, yet, how they’re being screwed. But it’s dawning on many. The day of reckoning will be at hand.

From the “Greatest Generation” who spawned the spoiled, self-absorbed, I deserve everything, “Greediest Generation”. Its all about “me, myself and I” after all.

hawkeye54 on July 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Have liberals completed their march through the school of hard knocks yet?

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

No – they’ve completed their long march through the institutions and our education has indoctrinated people into believing that “social” justice and economic freedom comes with more government when in fact the government is robbing them blind and shriveling their opportunities.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Nobody under fifty should expect to get a social security check. They’re robbing everybody, and their taste in music is awful.

michaelthomas on July 12, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Plus, they get on the lawn, without so much as a “Hey, Mister” or a whacka-do doozy! :)

(Too real for a full sarc tag, heh. Maybe a semi-sarc.)

Eh?

Axe on July 12, 2012 at 1:46 PM

When the under 30s wake up, they’ll vote against Obama.

Don’t count on it, though. They’ll wake up when their everything will be empty.

Schadenfreude on July 12, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Have liberals completed their march through the school of hard knocks yet?

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

No – they’ve completed their long march through the institutions and our education has indoctrinated people into believing that “social” justice and economic freedom comes with more government when in fact the government is robbing them blind and shriveling their opportunities.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Belated sarc tag

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM

I was too busy chanting, “People to the power …”

Ed Morrissey on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Hehe. Yes! Let’s march!

PatriotGal2257 on July 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Sorry about that … fixed now. I was too busy chanting, “People to the power …”

Ed Morrissey on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Heh, nothing like a gracious/humorous recovery!

Schadenfreude on July 12, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Nobody under fifty should expect to get a social security check.

There are some in their fifties that may not get one either.

hawkeye54 on July 12, 2012 at 1:50 PM

No – they’ve completed their long march through the institutions and our education has indoctrinated people into believing that “social” justice and economic freedom comes with more government when in fact the government is robbing them blind and shriveling their opportunities.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Outstanding post. This has been the vehicle used for this country’s death-spiral into the Utopia of Collectivism; and The People’s dependence upon and mandatory service and obedience to the State.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 12, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Belated sarc tag

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM

A good question is whether or not liberals have finished marching us through their school of hard knocks? =)

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Where are all of the Trolls today?

Del Dolemonte on July 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Outstanding post. This has been the vehicle used for this country’s death-spiral into the Utopia of Collectivism; and The People’s dependence upon and mandatory service and obedience to the State.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 12, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Thanks. You’re right – we really are seeing the fruits of what was planted decades ago. I don’t think it’s too late but things are dire. Breitbart was right: we’re actually waging a cultural war and not just a fiscal or policy war.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Where are all of the Trolls today?

Del Dolemonte on July 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Two weeks into the month…they’ve already blown their checks on Colt45 and pimps.

tom daschle concerned on July 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM

There are some in their fifties that may not get one either.

hawkeye54 on July 12, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Uh, yeah. An acquaintance of mine who turned 65 this year every now and then snarkly (snarkily?) reminds me (I’m 54) that “Hey, well, too bad Social Security won’t be around when you turn 65.”

PatriotGal2257 on July 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM

This is the argument I made against John Robert’s decision on ACA.

It’s as if John Robert’s was telling the young in his decision, you voted for “fairness” aka social justice, now you can sux on it. Who is going to pay for all these new “Big Government Entitlements”? Hint: the Baby Boomers are retiring.

I don’t hate young people. I was young and idealistic once…sure it was an evil idealism – An Idealism bent on world domination. World Domination isn’t for the tame, timid or squeamish ;) Oh well, youth is wasted on the young anyway – listen to the President kids “Eat Your Peas” GRIN.

Dr Evil on July 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Younger voters have to bear a lot of the responsibility for their plight, since they enthusiastically supported Barack Obama in 2008, ensuring his election.

Yeah, elections have consequences.

How’s that Hope and Change working out?

GarandFan on July 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Belated sarc tag

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM

A good question is whether or not liberals have finished marching us through their school of hard knocks? =)

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

I guess I am something of an optimist. I view this as a learning opportunity for many.

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Where are all of the Trolls today?

Del Dolemonte on July 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

You racist dirtbag!

/until they show up

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I know several people who consider their medicare and social security to be sacrosanct and they literally don’t care that it is about to completely implode. Their attitude is, “Well hopefully I’ll be dead then and anyway that’s not my problem anyway”.

These people are not a fan of *any* kind of reform for anyone. And there are a heck of a lot of them in this country.

So in true European style we’re going to have to wait until the entire thing smashes itself to pieces and then watch people wondering around dumbstruck going, “How could this happen???? No one told me!”

CorporatePiggy on July 12, 2012 at 1:57 PM

I hate to say it but my generation is incredibility stupid. People my age and younger vote based on dumb issues like gay marriage, global warming and being told Republicans are too religious. So we are going to be broke but hey at least we fought hard for gay marriage…..which only a very small percentage gays will actually marry. Sigh.

terryannonline on July 12, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Heh. Don’t bet on it.
Most of them are too misinformed to know what’s going on. They think it’s that portion of the “rich 1%” who don’t support 0bama and the Mitt Romneys of the world abusing them, not their heros on the left.

FIFY

MidniteRambler on July 12, 2012 at 1:58 PM

I guess I am something of an optimist. I view this as a learning opportunity for many.

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I agree there is some reason for optimism. Once people enter the work force they start to see that many of their “educated” assumptions are incorrect.

Also, the ultimate lesson is not too far down the road. We can’t keep spending like we are and the federal government the size we have it cannot sustain itself. At some point reality asserts itself. This will also be a lesson but I hope it won’t come to that.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Younger voters have to bear a lot of the responsibility for their plight, since they enthusiastically supported Barack Obama in 2008, ensuring his election. Perhaps four years of economic stagnation and pocket-picking will make them wiser this time around.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good one.

Good Lt on July 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Sidebar – I’ve noticed that Obamuh has been running ads on Anything But MTV, and that, Anything But MTV has been running just another rendition of The Young Control The Destiny Of America ads.

It’s the SOS, just a different election cycle.

And the young pigs are too stupid to have ever read Animal Farm or 1984, let alone Democracy In America or The Federalist Papers.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 12, 2012 at 2:00 PM

I know several people who consider their medicare and social security to be sacrosanct and they literally don’t care that it is about to completely implode. Their attitude is, “Well hopefully I’ll be dead then and anyway that’s not my problem anyway”.

These people are not a fan of *any* kind of reform for anyone. And there are a heck of a lot of them in this country.

So in true European style we’re going to have to wait until the entire thing smashes itself to pieces and then watch people wondering around dumbstruck going, “How could this happen???? No one told me!”

CorporatePiggy on July 12, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Or they point out they’ve paid into the system. But that’s why this is a Ponzi scheme – the gig is up, Congress has already spent the money and current/future tax payers are left holding the bag. Any money put into the system is gone. If any private investment company managed their funds like Congress did SS there would be people in prison.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM

It was all foretold.

de rigueur on July 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM

You betcha.

gerrym51 on July 12, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Eventually, as I approach 50, I’m going to make peace with the fact that someone young and stupid is demanding the right to pay more for their health insurance, and demand that their SS/Medicare get defunded faster, just so I can enjoy an earlier retirement than I otherwise would have.

Not yet, but the closer I get…

MNHawk on July 12, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I’m in the middle of the Reason article, so far it’s fantastic. Everybody in the country, especially young people, should read it.

FloatingRock on July 12, 2012 at 2:09 PM

I guess I am something of an optimist. I view this as a learning opportunity for many.

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I agree there is some reason for optimism. Once people enter the work force they start to see that many of their “educated” assumptions are incorrect.

Also, the ultimate lesson is not too far down the road. We can’t keep spending like we are and the federal government the size we have it cannot sustain itself. At some point reality asserts itself. This will also be a lesson but I hope it won’t come to that.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM

And, also, if they can’t learn from their mistakes, then the sooner it all collapses the better to limit the damage.

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Where are all of the Trolls today?

Del Dolemonte on July 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Still looking

MNHawk on July 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM

This article is pointless, displaying a lack of understanding of demographics and history.

MichaelGabriel on July 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

The “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ generation is now robbing everyone under 30

Have to take exception to your headline.

The simple fact is that the younger half of the baby boom – due to start retiring in about 5 years – is going to be royally screwed. They have paid huge amounts their entire working lives for benefits that they will never be able to collect.

Should the folks under 30 foot the bill for them? No. But you really should recognize that THEY have footed the bill for everyone who has gone before, and will get nothing themselves.

You want to do intergenerational war, at least get your facts straight.

ProfessorMiao on July 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

This article is pointless, displaying a lack of understanding of demographics and history.

MichaelGabriel on July 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Please educate us.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 2:19 PM

The “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ generation is now robbing everyone under 30

Have to take exception to your headline.

The simple fact is that the younger half of the baby boom – due to start retiring in about 5 years – is going to be royally screwed. They have paid huge amounts their entire working lives for benefits that they will never be able to collect.

Should the folks under 30 foot the bill for them? No. But you really should recognize that THEY have footed the bill for everyone who has gone before, and will get nothing themselves.

You want to do intergenerational war, at least get your facts straight.

ProfessorMiao on July 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Obviously didn’t pay enough to keep it solvent, eh????

FOUND SOME

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 2:21 PM

The “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ generation is now robbing everyone under 30

Have to take exception to your headline.

The simple fact is that the younger half of the baby boom – due to start retiring in about 5 years – is going to be royally screwed. They have paid huge amounts their entire working lives for benefits that they will never be able to collect.

Should the folks under 30 foot the bill for them? No. But you really should recognize that THEY have footed the bill for everyone who has gone before, and will get nothing themselves.

You want to do intergenerational war, at least get your facts straight.

ProfessorMiao on July 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Excellent, excellent post.

Like I said above, ignorance on the subject of the Baby Boom abounds.

MichaelGabriel on July 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Younger voters have to bear a lot of the responsibility for their plight, since they enthusiastically supported Barack Obama in 2008, ensuring his election.

Old too soon, smart too late. Elections have consequences. Just ask CJ Roberts.

RedInMD on July 12, 2012 at 2:25 PM

The “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ generation is now robbing everyone under 30

Have to take exception to your headline.

The simple fact is that the younger half of the baby boom – due to start retiring in about 5 years – is going to be royally screwed. They have paid huge amounts their entire working lives for benefits that they will never be able to collect.

Should the folks under 30 foot the bill for them? No. But you really should recognize that THEY have footed the bill for everyone who has gone before, and will get nothing themselves.

You want to do intergenerational war, at least get your facts straight.

ProfessorMiao on July 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

You make a good point that everyone is screwed.

But it was the baby boomer generation of voters and politicians which helped raid SS and decided not to have enough kids to fund a welfare state. But the worse thing they did was intentionally erode a culture of self-dependency and independence. When SS was first created it was only meant for the most destitute and needy at what was likely to be the very end of their lives. Now it’s a payment for 20+ years made to everyone and anyone.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM

If any private investment company managed their funds like Congress did SS there would be people in prison.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Fear of prison is about the only thing that would keep most of them inline but only a handful ever get thrown in the big house.

ProfessorMiao on July 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Wrong. The late baby boomers will probably get something. The kids will have to pay towards that something knowing that they will get next to nothing. Political mendacity and demographics tell the story.

CorporatePiggy on July 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ generation is now robbing everyone under 30

Have to take exception to your headline.

The simple fact is that the younger half of the baby boom – due to start retiring in about 5 years – is going to be royally screwed. They have paid huge amounts their entire working lives for benefits that they will never be able to collect.

Should the folks under 30 foot the bill for them? No. But you really should recognize that THEY have footed the bill for everyone who has gone before, and will get nothing themselves.

You want to do intergenerational war, at least get your facts straight.

ProfessorMiao on July 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

You make a good point that everyone is screwed.

But it was the baby boomer generation of voters and politicians which helped raid SS and decided not to have enough kids to fund a welfare state. But the worse thing they did was intentionally erode a culture of self-dependency and independence. When SS was first created it was only meant for the most destitute and needy at what was likely to be the very end of their lives. Now it’s a payment for 20+ years made to everyone and anyone.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Excellent,excellent post

As I said above, ignorance on the subject of economics and human nature abound.

:-)

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Excellent, excellent post.

Like I said above, ignorance on the subject of the Baby Boom abounds.

MichaelGabriel on July 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Funny you should mention we’re ignorant of demographics yet mention baby boomers. Baby boomers didn’t have enough kids to support a welfare state the size it needs to support them for 20+ years.

Baby boomers also heavily contributed to our culture’s devaluing of self-reliance and instead looking to government to take care of us (why have kids if you can just tax someone else’s kids to pay your way).

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM

The picture with this post says it all. When you’re young, you know everything. When you get older you realize that you didn’t know that much at all.

It will always be like this with the young blaming the old and never deciding to get up off their a$$ and do something about it.

Vince on July 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Sorry about that … fixed now. I was too busy chanting, “People to the power …”

Ed Morrissey on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Were you wearing your dashiki too, Ed? Maybe teasing your hair out with one of those picks with the black fist for a handle?

O_0

BlaxPac on July 12, 2012 at 2:32 PM

watching wisconsin law enforcement basically stand by doing nothing during this years kerfufflage in the Badger state, and watching how little the cops did to protect young GOP counter-protestors as they got shoved around and intimdated by union goons it occured to me:

In the 1960′s left wing kids couldnt trust right wing cops. Nowadays right wing kids cant trust left wing cops.

Sacramento on July 12, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Excellent, excellent post.

Like I said above, ignorance on the subject of the Baby Boom abounds.

MichaelGabriel on July 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM

+1.

Baby boomers, the new Jews for the fascist youth movement – because you can’t blame the progressive ideology which made it all possible.

Rebar on July 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Because the AARP goes SO far out of it’s way to back conservatism….

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 2:44 PM

You make a good point that everyone is screwed.

But it was the baby boomer generation of voters and politicians which helped raid SS and decided not to have enough kids to fund a welfare state. But the worse thing they did was intentionally erode a culture of self-dependency and independence. When SS was first created it was only meant for the most destitute and needy at what was likely to be the very end of their lives. Now it’s a payment for 20+ years made to everyone and anyone.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Wasn’t President Clinton the first “Boomer” in the WH? I think most of these SS decisions pre-date him. Who made the “Boomer” generation? It was the “Greatest” generation, right? I’m afraid it was Grammy and Pop-Pop who cast the die for what we’re seeing now. Finding the guilty isn’t really going to help much now though. I think the article is just an attempt to ease the collective kid conscience for when they cut off mom and dad’s SS money.

littleguy on July 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Funny you should mention we’re ignorant of demographics yet mention baby boomers. Baby boomers didn’t have enough kids to support a welfare state the size it needs to support them for 20+ years.

Baby boomers also heavily contributed to our culture’s devaluing of self-reliance and instead looking to government to take care of us (why have kids if you can just tax someone else’s kids to pay your way).

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM

The Baby Boom is divided into two distinct groups, those born from 1946 to 1956, and those born between 1957 and 1964.

The two groups had completely different life experiences. Failing to understand this is ignorance.

The early Baby Boomers had the Beetles.
The later Baby Boomers had Pink Floyd.

MichaelGabriel on July 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Music???????
SERIOUSLY”?????????????????????

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 2:48 PM

In all fairness the Boomers were lied to from the get go. Immigration was supposed to take care of that fact that ours was a large generation and the Amnesty as well as taking over 1 million people per year from around the world was supposed to ensure that there would be enough workers to pay into Social Security and Medicare to take care of us, too, as we had provided for our parents and grand parents.

What happened? Too many low skilled and unskilled workers and far too many illegal aliens in the workforce not paying ANY taxes.

Too many additional benefits added and too people added into the system. As representative West recently commented “There are those who think the safety net should be a HAMMOCK”.

Over 125 separate federal welfare programs.

Not enough measures taken to actually LOWER THE COST OF HEALTH CARE AND HEALTH CARE INSURANCE.

Generally poor fiscal planning as our elected representative went about the business of taking all of the funds meant for the Social Security trust fund and using them for ‘other programs’.

Not only are the Boomers a large generation, they’ve been the single most productive in the history of the nation. Advancements in health care and technology have been monumental and changed the way the world functions. US GDP IS about $15 Trillion/year. the Boomers have also given more to the world in raw aid than any generation before.

Half if this nation pays NO TAXES AT ALL and many of these people actually receive money from the federal coffers in the form of credits.

GLOBALIZATION saw jobs that should have been done here sent abroad for cheap labor ( despite the human abuse entailed in those ‘developing’ nations) and lax regulation. Corporate profits have little to do with raising revenues for the government if those corporations are sheltering their profits, keeping their money abroad, and not paying taxes. I think we’re seeing the end result of how well globalization has worked… a global depression.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, as Boomers go…. A LOT OF US DIDN’T SUPPORT THESE POLICIES… DIDN’T VOTE FOR THOSE WHO DID.

But then… painting with a broad brush is always messy.

thatsafactjack on July 12, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Those under 30′s set themselves up to be robbed by voting mindlessly and unchangingly for the Democrats.

bayview on July 12, 2012 at 2:49 PM

if liberal programs are so great, why are they always mandatory?

burserker on July 12, 2012 at 2:50 PM

The early Baby Boomers had the Beetles.
The later Baby Boomers had Pink Floyd.

MichaelGabriel on July 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM

I have never been a Beatles fan.
Floyd is okay, but I was more into Allman Brothers.

Dr Evil on July 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Well, thatsfact, suffice it to say:

If it sounds to good to be true….

Growth forever???

Which political group has regulated that away? Who pushed for that agency?

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Music???????
SERIOUSLY”?????????????????????

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 2:48 PM

“She loves you yea, yea, yea.”

“I’ll see you on the darks ide of the moon.”

MichaelGabriel on July 12, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Buying a ticket on the Titanic has the same outcome as if you were the pilot.

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Lucy in the sky with diamonds….

Keep your hands off of my stash……

When pigs fly

WryTrvllr on July 12, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Wasn’t President Clinton the first “Boomer” in the WH? I think most of these SS decisions pre-date him. Who made the “Boomer” generation? It was the “Greatest” generation, right? I’m afraid it was Grammy and Pop-Pop who cast the die for what we’re seeing now. Finding the guilty isn’t really going to help much now though. I think the article is just an attempt to ease the collective kid conscience for when they cut off mom and dad’s SS money.

littleguy on July 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM

I don’t think all the blame can be laid at the feet of the Baby Boomers. Certainly their progressive forebears pushed us on the path of government reliance but I think it was largely the boomers which embraced it culturally.

But the boomers are the ones that are going to finally crash the program.

And you’re correct – placing the blame in all the places it belongs doesn’t really matter. The point is that the welfare state doesn’t work and we’re not feeling the pain of reality reasserting this fact.

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM

ObamaCare forces young adults to spend much more than necessary — and far more than they receive in services — in order to subsidize the costs of comprehensive insurance to pre-Medicare older adults.

I do not know a single person who has read or understands the Affordable Tax bill that supports it.

The seniors who are hiding their heads in the sand and hoping they die before the system implodes had better being stocking up on cyanide pills because if Obama is re-elected, things are going to come tumbling down a lot sooner than they think.

The underemployment among Americans under 30 will result in much lower lifetime wages and a much lower tax base, which combined with a later entry into the work force, fewer workers per retiree and burgeoning debt servicing costs, is going to necessitate very steep cuts in Social Security and Medicare benefits, if the programs can be maintained at all.

talkingpoints on July 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM

The Baby Boom is divided into two distinct groups, those born from 1946 to 1956, and those born between 1957 and 1964.

The two groups had completely different life experiences. Failing to understand this is ignorance.

The early Baby Boomers had the Beetles.
The later Baby Boomers had Pink Floyd.

MichaelGabriel on July 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Did boomers grow up with the expectation that the government would pay for their healthcare after retirement and supplement their retirement (and that they would live around 20 years with such an arrangement)?

Honest question.

If not then why do they now? (not all do but most will).

gwelf on July 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM

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