Drudge: Condi Rice near the top of Romney’s VP shortlist? Update: “No Condi”

posted at 8:56 pm on July 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

I gave you two possibilities in the update to Erika’s post, before we knew who the “surprising” new frontrunner was. Either it was a bona fide scoop or it was a red herring deliberately leaked by Team Mitt to draw the media away from today’s Bain storyline. Now that we know who the alleged surprise frontrunner is, my money’s on the second explanation.

Late Thursday evening, Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign launched a new fundraising drive, ‘Meet The VP’ — just as Romney himself has narrowed the field of candidates to a handful, sources reveal.

And a surprise name is now near the top of the list: Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice!

The timing of the announcement is now set for ‘coming weeks’.

It was Condi who received two standing ovations at Romney’s Utah retreat a few weeks ago, and everyone left with her name on their lips.

Any reason to believe there’s something to this? Arguably, yes: This piece by Bill Kristol published last Friday seemed strange and random at the time, but in light of tonight’s Drudge tease, it looks in hindsight like maybe BK got a tip from someone who’s tapped in and seized the opportunity to look prescient. Coincidentally, Rush Limbaugh mentioned her on the air yesterday too; doubly coincidentally, Peggy Noonan’s new column in the Journal tomorrow is all about how awesome Condi Rice might be as VP. I didn’t take Ann Romney seriously when she hinted that Team Mitt was considering a woman for the ticket, but the sudden Condi buzz among big-name Republicans makes me wonder if either something’s leaked or if Team Mitt is feeding this to friends who have microphones in order to try to create some advance grassroots buzz for his eventual pick.

And yet, I don’t buy it. Problem one: Bush, Bush, Bush. As I’ve said before, Jeb Bush can’t run for president because he’s related to Dubya but Dubya’s handpicked NSA-turned-Secretary-of-State is A-OK as number two? Why not double down and promise that Hank Paulson will be back at Treasury if Mitt wins? In fact, ironically, Condi may deliver the worst of both worlds. To doves, she’s a symbol of Bush’s alleged crazed hawkishness; to hawks, she’s a dove who can’t be trusted. Not sure how many foreign-policy points there are in that.

Problem two: Last I checked, Condi’s pro-choice. Admittedly, as you’ll see below, her position comes with lots of caveats, but so what? That won’t spare Romney a headache with social conservatives that he could have avoided by picking a veep from the 98 percent or so of prominent Republican officials who are pro-life. Besides, as John McCormack noted a few days ago, Romney’s already pledged not to choose a pro-choicer. Even if Condi’s had a Romney-esque “awakening” on this issue in later life and has now become pro-life, that only means that instead of having one candidate on the ticket whose reversal on abortion seems mighty opportunistic, we’ll have two.

Problem three: If Mitt’s thinking that he’ll earn huge diversity points with women and minority voters by running with Condi, I’d like to know why. Obama won a bigger share of women’s votes four years ago than Kerry, Gore, or Clinton did despite McCain having Palin on the ticket. (Reagan won women in a landslide after Mondale made Ferraro his number two.) The left will attack any woman and/or minority VP choice viciously as “inauthentic” and illegitimate in order to avoid losing any women or minority votes to the GOP. Look no further than the fervent effort today to paint Romney as some kind of racist for agreeing to speak to the NAACP and then refusing to remove his standard stump line about repealing ObamaCare to please them. There’s no one way they’re going to let a Republican candidate get even the tiniest, slipperiest foothold with a constituency they depend on for political survival. If Condi’s the pick, we’ll spend a solid three weeks hearing about her buying shoes during Katrina even though she’s since addressed that at length. That’s not to say that liberal attacks will necessarily succeed or that the prospect of them should determine Mitt’s choice, just to say that adding diversity to the ticket is by no means a slam dunk in terms of peeling away some of the Democrats’ core demographics.

Exit question: What’s the deal? Is this legit or is this a red herring being floated for political reasons? If the latter, you can already anticipate the left’s spin if/when Mitt ends up passing over Condi for boring white guy Rob Portman or Tim Pawlenty.

Update: NRO’s Robert Costa is hearing otherwise:

Top Romney source tells me “no Condi.” More: Romney wants someone more comfortable in ‘attack dog’ mode

I hear a few UT retreat attendees (donors, etc.) are stirring Condi buzz. Per people I trust, it’s not Boston-driven


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Condoleezza Rice voted for Obama.

sharrukin on July 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I believe Condi voted by secret ballot, just like the rest of us.

claudius on July 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Correct, and Chris Matthews also voted by secret ballot.

sharrukin on July 12, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Ask for links to reputable sources.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on July 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Pigford

This one is oarticularly damning becuase you’re left with his either being incompetent or stupid. Could be both. Scratch the could be part.

Debt ceiling

Tea Party is schizo

Dante on July 12, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Time to throw you back.

Fallon on July 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

When you’re fishin’ for Bass, bluegill’s are the first thing you throw back. They’re simply worthless, unless you have enough to make a pie.

Rovin on July 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

KingGold on July 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM

You’re welcome to your opinion, especially as you’re not insulting. Every team that faced my Green Bay Packers expected to win, presumably.

We ‘nistas are rather a confident lot.

wolfsDad on July 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I still think Mike Huckabee would be a genius selection for VP.

Huck can deliver stinging blows with a smile and with humor. He’s amazingly skilled in conversation and in interviews, and he has the national campaign experience.

I despised Huckabee in 2008, but if he can help Mitt win this thing, then count me on board with the Huckster.

bluegill on July 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM

LOL

Dante on July 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Time to throw you back.

Fallon on July 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Well you sure as heII wouldn’t find me eating it, crap fish, even worse the smell on these threads it creates. PU

Bmore on July 12, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Would be a horrible choice.

WisCon on July 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Okay, the better half just served me up a lovely warm piece of strawberry pie. Yum. Unfortunately it doesn’t go well with the stench of rotting fish. So. Bye!

Bmore on July 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM

At this point anyone not for Romney is contributing to Barack Obama’s reelection. It’s that simple.
bluegill on July 12, 2012 at 10:12 PM

you’re that simplistic to believe the canard that you only have a choice of two evils. You ignore the history of third party effects on the body politic.

But then again, I find it passing sweet that you always remind me of a particular Dr Suess character.

AH_C on July 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I still think Mike Huckabee would be a genius selection for VP.

Huck can deliver stinging blows with a smile and with humor. He’s amazingly skilled in conversation and in interviews, and he has the national campaign experience.

I despised Huckabee in 2008, but if he can help Mitt win this thing, then count me on board with the Huckster.

bluegill on July 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM

The problem I have with Huck, is this, -could you trust him to give the campaign absolutely everything he has, and not hold back some because of residual spite for Governor Romney 2008? I can’t.

slickwillie2001 on July 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Ask for links to reputable sources.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on July 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Pigford

This one is oarticularly damning becuase you’re left with his either being incompetent or stupid. Could be both. Scratch the could be part.

Debt ceiling

Tea Party is schizo

Dante on July 12, 2012 at 10:38 PM

He admitted he didn’t completely understand all the ramifications of the Pigford vote. Context.
A lot of reps voted for the debt ceiling.
Tea Party is a grass roots organization with many people riding its coattails. If we all said he should be primaried, fine, but the so called leaders don’t speak for all of us. Again, context.
But, good on you to link your assertions.
Now, tell me ten things Gary Johnson would do to fix the problems we face because people didn’t do their homework, voted for obscure candidates, or sat out the vote.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on July 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

…I want a WOMAN!

KOOLAID2 on July 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Barky is more than a traitor – far worse. He’s a solitary destroyer of anyone and anything that makes him feel inadequate, which includes every decent person and everything good in life. Don’t sell him short. Barky is the real thing.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 12, 2012 at 10:24 PM

ok then, agreed…sorta, kinda, but then call him Machiavellian, it’s the better term, also don’t forget that IF he manages to destroy this country and the western civilization in the process, he does this with the active help of a dumb, uninformed, undiscerning and vegetative electorate…why are you not equally mad at the apathy and stupidity of voters who put him where he does not belong, they are equally as guilty and they had/have NO EXCUSE, back then and in Nov, they don’t get a pass from me, no way…in order to destroy a country the size of the US, you need cooperation from its dumb citizenry and of course from some similarly evil-minded individuals like himself, in position of power…yet, if he manages to do all this without bloodshed involved (and that’s why I said that the comparison to Hilter, Mao and other famous genocidal maniacs was a bit of a stretch), he’s definitely more Machiavelli than Che, Pol Pot or Stalin…

jimver on July 12, 2012 at 10:51 PM

…I want a WOMAN!

KOOLAID2 on July 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

try friendfinder at dot com :-)…

jimver on July 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on July 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Enabler and excuser.

Dante on July 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

ok then, agreed…sorta, kinda, but then call him Machiavellian, it’s the better term,

Machiavelli loved his nation, as did Hitler, Stalin and Mao. History has very rarely ever seen someone rise to power who wanted nothing but to destroy that which he was empowered over – not to transform it but to destroy it.

also don’t forget that IF he manages to destroy this country and the western civilization in the process, he does this with the active help of a dumb, uninformed, undiscerning and vegetative electorate…why are you not equally mad at the apathy and stupidity of voters who put him where he does not belong, they are equally as guilty and they had/have NO EXCUSE, back then and in Nov, they don’t get a pass from me, no way…in order to destroy a country the size of the US, you need cooperation from its dumb citizenry and of course from some similarly evil-minded individuals like himself, in position of power…

Oh, I certainly do blame them. People who supported Barky and people who even made a case for him and claimed that he was in any way intelligent or not dangerous are very, very guilty of the destruction they invited. They will be judged just as harshly by history and my contempt for them is boundless.

yet, if he manages to do all this without bloodshed involved (and that’s why I said that the comparison to Hilter, Mao and other famous genocidal maniacs was a bit of a stretch), he’s definitely more Machiavelli than Che, Pol Pot or Stalin…

jimver on July 12, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Barky isn’t looking to transform the US into anything other than a burning ember. He’s out to take this nation down. There will be blood. Just the fact that he’s been trying to foment racial animus since he first slimed into office should tell you what his intentions are on that issue. All the worst dictators started out as “not as bad as the other dictators”. Hitler had more than a few years when he made things run better for Germans and was fairly well respected. Stalin came to power in a system that was already oriented to do damage to the Russians, but Russians have long been used to that, anyway. They have always been led by homicidal lunatics who raked the population over the coals. That was part of Russian culture, itself. Che was just a loser, but he would have been pretty terrible if he had ever gotten any real power. His did as much damage as he could with what little he had at his disposal.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on July 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Enabler and excuser.

Dante on July 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Delusional and hopeless.

And, those ten things from what’s his name, oh yeah, Gary Johnson?

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on July 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

I still think Mike Huckabee would be a genius selection for VP.

bluegill on July 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Oh dear, to think that, unlike most of the people on this site, I used to take you seriously.

Big old head fake. Either that, or the Romney campaign took an extraordinary step to identify a leak in his campaign.JohnGalt23 on July 12, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Now that’s interesting. It’s nice to see someone around here who actually understands politics.

There are a couple of points to note here. Drudge only quotes a “source”. Costa quotes a source within the Romney camp. Costa probably has the correct information.

The big tell here is that Costa’s source makes the point of insulting Rice (we need someone who will be in attack dog mode). If this is just a mistaken assumtion, why belittle her? You just say something complementary, then deny.

The Romney camp really wanted to put a stake through the heart of this trial balloon.

That means the Romney camp is unhappy with this speculation, that some people are playing games, trying to get their way, trying to force the Romney camp’s hand.

The same thing happened with Rubio.

Rubio and Condi are both Bushies.

Rubio is amnesty-lite, and Condi is a dove.

Romney is an illegal immigration hard ass, and a hawk.

Connect the dots.

Mr. Arkadin on July 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I find it hard to believe that Condi was ever a real possibility. A foreign policy pick in this election cycle? Someone from the Bush admin? No way Romney would be that stupid.

mankai on July 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

The same thing happened with Rubio. Mr. Arkadin on July 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

And with Hillary.

Rovin on July 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Just read that Peggy Noonan thinks Condi’s a good idea.

That sure as hell puts the final nail in that coffin.

mankai on July 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM

…I want a WOMAN!

try friendfinder at dot com :-)…

jimver on July 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

…sure… but my wife would then ensure… that I would then be able to get an audition with the Vienna Boy’s Choir!
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on July 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Just read that Peggy Noonan thinks Condi’s a good idea.

That sure as hell puts the final nail in that coffin.

mankai on July 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Yep; has she endorsed little Bammie yet?

slickwillie2001 on July 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Kristol sponsored Palin as a brilliant selection, then regretted and recanted. I specifically quit reading Noonan because she revealed herself to be an elite snob with her commentary on Palin. Excuse me, why are we paying any attention to these two when it comes to potential VPs?

This is an unmitigated disaster. Whatever your feelings for Rice, and mine are generally favorable personally, this trial balloon could not have been designed better to permit Obama to play the race card from the bottom of the deck. Rice didn’t support McCain over Obama last time out, choosing to play coy with her vote (which was better than Powell at least), she reopens the door on the entire Bush Administration and the media will never let up with questioning each and every foreign policy decision — waterboarding, “Bush lied, people died!!” — and her ability to defend the Republican Party platform on non-foreign policy issues that really matter to the base is highly questionable. Does anyone know what her opinion is on gay marriage? Illegal immigration? Even on foreign policy, she is to the left of the platform, although she clearly was a good soldier during the Bush Administration.

Why would the Romney campaign do something this stupid? Float a balloon about a potential VP selection that is guaranteed to draw criticism from a significant portion of the base, only to have to withdraw the balloon and hand the Democrats the “See? The Republicans are so “raaaaaaciiiissstt” they won’t even support an accomplished black Republican!” meme. Brilliant.

Mongo Mere Pawn on July 12, 2012 at 11:34 PM

condi? condi? didn’t Cheney make her cry?

Palin is the nuclear weapon. obama attack dog since 2008. even the hater agree.

does mitt have the stones?

renalin on July 12, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Just occurred to me…

MadisonConservative on July 12, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Funny, that’s what I was thinking as well.

Gelsomina on July 12, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Exit question: What’s the deal? Is this legit or is this a red herring being floated for political reasons?

You’re mixing metaphors there Allah. You can float a trial balloon or follow a red herring.

Either way, I think it’s a post hoc trial balloon to capitalize on the NAACP speech and again ask the question or push the issue to blacks of “Hey, take a look!” referring to Romney. It sows the seeds of doubt in Obama’s base and, as far as strategy, its wise. The more doubt and distrust that Romney can sow behind enemy lines, the more freedom of maneuver he’ll have. By doing this, there are blacks now sitting back going….”Hmmm, condi rice, yeah, that just might work…” You know its true. It doesn’t have to be a lot, but a few of them, yes.

ted c on July 12, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Also, its reconnaissance by fire. It throws Condi out there and draws fire and helps solidify the “Mitt’s not a racist” narrative. Disarms the DNC attack on that front.

you really needsta read ya some Sun Tzu, Allah…..

ted c on July 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Why is the Establishment pushing Miss Rice?

SouthernGent on July 12, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Condi would be an absolute awful choice for many reasons. I still remember her compare the “plight” of the Palestinians with African Americans in the US south, and talking about how the Israelis constantly humiliate the Palestinians. She is a typical left-wing Academic. She may have a few conservative sound bytes, but she is no real conservative.

Publius24 on July 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM

KOOLAID2 on July 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I want someone QUALIFIED.
None of the possible chickies are.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 12, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Why would the Romney campaign do something this stupid? Float a balloon about a potential VP selection that is guaranteed to draw criticism from a significant portion of the base, only to have to withdraw the balloon and hand the Democrats the “See? The Republicans are so “raaaaaaciiiissstt” they won’t even support an accomplished black Republican!” meme. Brilliant.

Mongo Mere Pawn on July 12, 2012 at 11:34 PM

When the Romney campaign does something inexplicable, always attribute it to either:

1. Ineptitude

Or

2. Liberal tendencies

Its a tossup on this one.

Norwegian on July 12, 2012 at 11:59 PM

ATTACK DOG?………Pawlenty was auditioning on Laura Ingraham earlier……..

TPAW, don’t see Portman in that role.

Only problem……DOUBLE SNOOZER!!!!

PappyD61 on July 13, 2012 at 12:02 AM

sure… but my wife would then ensure… that I would then be able to get an audition with the Vienna Boy’s Choir!
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on July 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM

loool :-)

jimver on July 13, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Norwegian on July 12, 2012 at 11:59 PM

and you checked your crystal globe and with your infallible divination skills you were able to determine beyond reasonable doubt that this ‘distraction’ comes from the Romney campaign itself…jeez, people…

jimver on July 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM

If they want an “attack dog”, I nominate Michelle Malkin.

SouthernGent on July 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Attack dog???????

NO ONE…..NO ONE…..has been a more effective attack dog the last four years than the demonized Sarah Heath Palin.

Women would never vote for her. She’s too hot, the husbands voice how hot she is and their wives hate her. And she had a disabled child……and how many women that wouldn’t do it are convicted by her having Trig?

She is fricking RADIOACTIVE and I love her!

PappyD61 on July 13, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Condi is an EEOC grand slam – Black – Woman and Gay – back back back back

iam7545r on July 13, 2012 at 12:43 AM

I despised Huckabee in 2008, but if he can help Mitt win this thing, then count me on board with the Huckster.

bluegill on July 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Yack, I still despise him.

Schadenfreude on July 13, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Condi is NOT the right choice. She is too close to Bush which will be a total distraction during the campaign. We need a Conservative and not sure she is that either.

UnEasyRider on July 13, 2012 at 12:46 AM

Not Condi! She doesn’t have it in her. But, now Sarah, she has it in her and everyone knows it. She would take the fight to ‘em.

Mirimichi on July 13, 2012 at 12:50 AM

If Condi can help Romney win California, then I’m all for it. If not, then Rubio.

huckleberryfriend on July 13, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Jurisprudence on July 12, 2012 at 9:53 PM

By any chance are you from South Dakota?

I don’t know much about Thune except he likes to hunt, is a Christian, and loves earmarks.

conservative pilgrim on July 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Iowa. Yea, with Senator Harkin as one of ours, we like to “adopt” a Republican senator from one of the surrounding states. I like Senator Thune. He’d be a great choice.

Jurisprudence on July 13, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Condi is an ideal choice, and that’s coming from a liberal.

Mitt will probably pick some tea party favorite, though. Gotta appeal to the far right if you want to win.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 1:27 AM

I want someone QUALIFIED.
None of the possible chickies are.

Wait, am I reading this right? Condi is not qualified?

Dude, she’s more qualified to run for president than Mitt is.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Dude, she’s more qualified to run for president than Mitt is.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 1:29 AM

That’s pretty friggin dumb. Or maybe you just don’t understand what the word “qualified” means?

Condi is more qualified to run for President than Barky is (and she’s eligible, too) but that’s about it. A wet turd is more qualified to run for President than Barky – and just as eligible as he is. I’d vote for the wet turd over the Indonesian in a second. At least it wouldn’t actively try to destroy America.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 1:33 AM

You’re mixing metaphors there Allah. You can float a trial balloon or follow a red herring.

Either way, I think it’s a post hoc trial balloon to capitalize on the NAACP speech and again ask the question or push the issue to blacks of “Hey, take a look!” referring to Romney. It sows the seeds of doubt in Obama’s base and, as far as strategy, its wise. The more doubt and distrust that Romney can sow behind enemy lines, the more freedom of maneuver he’ll have. By doing this, there are blacks now sitting back going….”Hmmm, condi rice, yeah, that just might work…” You know its true. It doesn’t have to be a lot, but a few of them, yes.

ted c on July 12, 2012 at 11:44 PM

It’s an anti-trial balloon. However it got out, once it was out, the intention was to pop that balloon. Condi Rice has said NO multiple times. Why shouldn’t Romney take her seriously? If (that’s a big if!) she ever serves in the executive branch again, it’ll be as Ambassador to the United Nations.

Romney wants this campaign to focus on the economy and Obama’s unmitigated disaster of a presidency. So whoever he picks is going to be boring, not draw any unnecessary attention beyond the message and narrative that Romney wants, and when necessary, be an effective attack dog. I’m thinking Mitch Daniels is way up on that Veep short list. He’s not perfect, but nobody is at this point.

Jurisprudence on July 13, 2012 at 1:37 AM

Condi is more qualified to run for President than Barky is (and she’s eligible, too) but that’s about it. A wet turd is more qualified to run for President than Barky – and just as eligible as he is. I’d vote for the wet turd over the Indonesian in a second. At least it wouldn’t actively try to destroy America.

..and now you have a prime example of why I’m not a republican anymore. Racism is not a suitable replacement for political discourse.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 1:38 AM

AP is again, wrong. McCain saw a big boost in fund-raising, and enthusiasm when he picked Palin. Conservatives who were tepid in supporting him began to get behind the nominee. Prior to Palin, many of us, myself included, were hanging our hopes on Hillary winning the Democratic Nomination because she was more Conservative, consistently conservative, than McCain was. Palin changed the dynamic.

McCain even said he should have picked her sooner when reporters pointed out the increase in donations and enthusiasmim.

Condi would not help with the social conservatives, people that AP doesn’t like much anyway. Her views on Abortion, which he couldn’t wait to remind us about, are not in line with the Social Conservative meme. Yet, that is a red herring, and he knows it.

It is a red herring because nothing we do will overturn Roe V. Wade short of a Constitutional Amendment, something that will happen just about an hour after hell freezes over. Otherwise it would take the Supreme Court to overturn. With the Moderate Kennedy, and the liberal Roberts joining the other four Liberals, there isn’t a chance in hell of it being overturned by the Court. We would need two, or three conservatives so right wing that they thought Robert Bork was a wimpy moderate to overturn it.

So Abortion is a non issue. The most the social conservatives can hope for is a ban on Federal Funding. Perhaps we could try for a tax on Abortion using the newly discovered Congressional Authority to tax any damn thing they want. But we wouldn’t get that either.

Sorry AP, but again the New York version of Conservative, doesn’t really match the rest of the nation.

Snake307 on July 13, 2012 at 1:39 AM

..and now you have a prime example of why I’m not a republican anymore. Racism is not a suitable replacement for political discourse.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 1:38 AM

You’re not a Republican anymore because what a poster in a glorified internet chatroom posts?

Your political philosophy must be tissue paper thin.

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 1:49 AM

..and now you have a prime example of why I’m not a republican anymore. Racism is not a suitable replacement for political discourse.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 1:38 AM

LOL. You already said you were a liberal, moron. Find me the alleged “racism” in my post and paste it. I won’t hold my breath since you are just another scum-sucking lefty who screams “raaaacist!!” at the drop of a hat. You people are despicable, lying scumbags. About the only sensible notion you hold is your self-hate.

“Racism” … ROFLMAO.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Condi would be an absolute awful choice for many reasons. I still remember her compare the “plight” of the Palestinians with African Americans in the US south, and talking about how the Israelis constantly humiliate the Palestinians. She is a typical left-wing Academic. She may have a few conservative sound bytes, but she is no real conservative.

Publius24 on July 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Very much like Romney. The real Romney the one that was Gov of uber liberal Mass. The one that the Jewish Rabbis all wrote to Salt Lake City to have him sanctioned for anti Jewish laws and orders of his.

Exactly the type of person I always thought Romney would choose.

Probably this leak was by someone wanting to save a chance of wining this election. With Condi it would be crystal clear that Romney is still very liberal.

Steveangell on July 13, 2012 at 1:56 AM

She’s a class act, but so connected to the Bush admin that it will be hard for her to stand the abuse they will heap on her.

Bambi on July 13, 2012 at 1:56 AM

If it’s gotta be a woman then it oughta be Palin.

TXJenny on July 13, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Steveangell on July 13, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Jewish Rabbis all wrote to Salt Lake City to have him sanctioned for anti Jewish laws and orders of his.

What the h@# are you talking about? Just like the rest of you dems, throw something out and plant the seed. What law did Romney institute that was unfavorable to the Jews in Mass?

Do you think maybe you need a good nights rest to get the cob webs out of your pea brain.
I’m sorry, I’ve about had it with all the lies and inuendos that have been perpetrated today.

As Krauthammer said, Romney is so squeeky clean there is nothing in his closet, in fact he doesn’t have a closet.

Bambi on July 13, 2012 at 2:02 AM

..and now you have a prime example of why I’m not a republican anymore. Racism is not a suitable replacement for political discourse.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 1:38 AM

How is it racism if you are touting one black female candidate over a black male candidate?

Go over to huffpo, they’re missing the village idiot over there.

Bambi on July 13, 2012 at 2:06 AM

What racism?

Oh I dunno, the nick of “Barky”, which is your oh-so-subtle way of saying “Darky” on the internet without being called on it. Also the fact you pointed out he’s Indonesian – why is that important again? Oh right, because race matters in your mind.

Why do you think Rush kept calling him Barack Hussein Obama? Look, he has a terrorist middle name, he’s not from REAL america!

It’s an us (real americans) vs. them (minorities) mentality that feeds into division between our countrymen, and frankly I got sick of it. I’d rather be on the side that’s trying to actively fix the problems of this country than the side that votes 33 times to repeal something they know isn’t going to get repealed.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 2:26 AM

What racism?

Oh I dunno, the nick of “Barky”, which is your oh-so-subtle way of saying “Darky” on the internet without being called on it.

LOL. I never even thought of that. Barky is a play on Barack, you blithering idiot and the fact that he’s as intelligent as a dog.

Also the fact you pointed out he’s Indonesian – why is that important again? Oh right, because race matters in your mind.

Because he’s ineligible for the Presidency (he already was having been born a dual citizen, but having obtained Indonesian citizenship – if he did … we don’t know because we can’t see anything about his history – would make that situation even worse). Further, he was raised in Indonesia as an Indonesian, genius. He speaks Bahasa and did the total of his elementary school in Jakarta (much registered as a muslim at school and taking muslim courses required of registered muslims). He spent the great bulk of his formative years being raised with the world view of an Indonesian, which is culturally, what he really is. Barky has not one ounce of American sensibilities about him. He is Indonesian. You know that his first political aspiration was to become the Prime Minister of Indonesia? You probably don’t, since you are obviously a clueless moron.

Why do you think Rush kept calling him Barack Hussein Obama? Look, he has a terrorist middle name, he’s not from REAL america!

He’s not. We now have over three years of his tearing America to shreds from the Oval Office to prove it. He’s an Indonesian and a great supporter of the wave of pan-islamism sweeping the arab world. That is clear. He’s also a traitor who spent his first two years running around the world bad-mouthing America at every chance in every foreign nation he could get into. The biggest campaign rally of the 2008 race was in friggin GERMANY!! … for GERMANS!!!! Not for Americans, because we all know that Barky hates America and hates Americans. He should have been thrown out of the race and arrested for his Berlin campaign rally. That’s totally illegal, you know, and about the most repulsive act ever committed by an allegedly American candidate. EVER.

It’s an us (real americans) vs. them (minorities) mentality that feeds into division between our countrymen,

You are not my countryman. I share nothing with you, at all, and I share nothing with anyone who supports the Indonesian Imbecile. Youa re America-haters who are nothing but destructive to any society unlucky enough to be burdened with your pathetic existence.

and frankly I got sick of it. I’d rather be on the side that’s trying to actively fix the problems of this country than the side that votes 33 times to repeal something they know isn’t going to get repealed.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 2:26 AM

LOL, lefty. Do you really think anyone buys your bullsh!t? You must have cried like a baby when the Soviet Union fell.

So … aside from your laughable dog-whistle, you still have nothing with the “raaacist” bull. STFU and go away, you lying, fake race-card pulling piece of sh!t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 2:40 AM

You are not my countryman. I share nothing with you, at all, and I share nothing with anyone who supports the Indonesian Imbecile. Youa re America-haters who are nothing but destructive to any society unlucky enough to be burdened with your pathetic existence…

Dude, you’ve got anger problems. Find a happy place. It’s going to be okay.

MikeknaJ on July 13, 2012 at 3:01 AM

Dude, you’ve got anger problems. Find a happy place. It’s going to be okay.

MikeknaJ on July 13, 2012 at 3:01 AM

I won’t suffer fools gladly. So, sue me.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 3:24 AM

You are not my countryman.

You’re damn right. Whatever country you’re form, it’s not America.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 4:31 AM

DAE notice how racists always say they’re not racist right before launching into the most racist shit you’ve ever heard..

triple on July 13, 2012 at 4:34 AM

triple on July 13, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Damn, Axle must really be scraping the bottom of the bogs now…your “racist” meme is playing like you’ve been bottom feeding for the last 3 years…

lovingmyUSA on July 13, 2012 at 5:13 AM

DAE notice how racists always say they’re not racist right before launching into the most racist shit you’ve ever heard.
triple on July 13, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Nope, never noticed that. I have noticed, however, that once a liberal has been thouroughly refuted and humiliated they pull out the race card in a feeble attempt to mask their complete lack of integrity and intelligence. You’re a textbook example.

tommyboy on July 13, 2012 at 5:19 AM

Condi would be an awful choice. I’m glad Romney’s team squashed this rumor early.

DRayRaven on July 13, 2012 at 5:36 AM

Nope, never noticed that. I have noticed, however, that once a liberal has been thouroughly refuted and humiliated they pull out the race card in a feeble attempt to mask their complete lack of integrity and intelligence. You’re a textbook example.

Humiliation is losing an election and then telling everyone the winner didn’t win because he’s black and therefore isn’t eligible to be president.

Or is that being a sore loser? Maybe both.

I didn’t pull out the race card. I don’t think you understand what that means. The race card is when you call someone a racist to discredit them and their argument – it’s exploiting race as an issue to shut people up.

What I did was I called a racist a racist because he said racist things. I don’t think all conservatives are racists, and I won’t call you a racist if you say conservative things. I will only call you a racist if your words reflect that.

No one, including me, paints a better picture of his racism than he does. Any reasonable person reading that post would think the same thing.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 5:55 AM

And for the record, I was on hotair when malkin started the site. This shit didn’t used to be tolerated around here. If you said those sorts of things, you would be called on it – by other republicans.

Now? Look how far you guys have come.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 5:57 AM

Humiliation is losing an election and then telling everyone the winner didn’t win because he’s black and therefore isn’t eligible to be president.
Or is that being a sore loser? Maybe both.
triple on July 13, 2012 at 5:55 AM

That’s not called humiliation, that’s called lying. Please show an example of someone saying Barky is ineligible merely because he’s black. Yet another example of using false allegations of racism to mask complete intellectal vacuity. Yer batting 100 trips.

tommyboy on July 13, 2012 at 6:12 AM

She’d be a great VP, but the well has been poisoned against female candidates.

AbaddonsReign on July 13, 2012 at 6:19 AM

That’s not called humiliation, that’s called lying. Please show an example of someone saying Barky is ineligible merely because he’s black. Yet another example of using false allegations of racism to mask complete intellectal vacuity. Yer batting 100 trips.

tommyboy on July 13, 2012 at 6:12 AM

If he was white, do you think we’d be having this discussion?

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:20 AM

Why is it in 200 years of presidential politics, obama is the first to have his nationality seriously questioned?

HMMMMMMMMMMM

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM

Why is it in 200 years of presidential politics, obama is the first to have his nationality seriously questioned?
triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM

Perhaps because it’s first time in 200 years there were sufficient facts to warrant such scrutiny. Duhhhhhhhhh.

tommyboy on July 13, 2012 at 6:24 AM

If he was white, do you think we’d be having this discussion?
triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:20 AM

Without a doubt.

tommyboy on July 13, 2012 at 6:26 AM

If he was white, do you think we’d be having this discussion?
triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:20 AM

If he were white you’d be saying the failure to have this discussion constituted racism.

tommyboy on July 13, 2012 at 6:29 AM

Dude, you’ve got anger problems. Find a happy place. It’s going to be okay.

MikeknaJ on July 13, 2012 at 3:01 AM

And the sea levels are gonna rise, right?

Dude, you’ve got perception problems.

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 6:31 AM

Why is it in 200 years of presidential politics, obama is the first to have his nationality seriously questioned?

HMMMMMMMMMMM

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM

Maybe because he’s the first that has given reason to question it?

Does that ever enter into your equations there, Einstein?

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 6:32 AM

Why is it in 200 years of presidential politics, obama is the first to have his nationality seriously questioned?

HMMMMMMMMMMM

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM

Because he’s our first anti-American President.

kingsjester on July 13, 2012 at 6:38 AM

Why is it in 200 years of presidential politics, obama is the first to have his nationality seriously questioned?

HMMMMMMMMMMM

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM

Because in over 200 years the only other person to have a parent who was not an American citizen at the time of his birth was Chester Arthur – who was also ineligible, but Arthur destroyed all his documents and hid his ineligibility – ergo the rumors during his tenure of his having been born in Canada. It wasn’t discovered that Arthur’s father had been a British citizen until the last few years.

We also had this discussion about McCain already, who had two American citizen parents but was born outside of the US, so get bent you contemptible piece of slime. Dual citizenship obviates natural born citizenship. Nothing to do with race – though we all understand that your whole world and everything in it revolves about nothing but race. You have race on the pea-brain. You are the lowest of the low. And you’re pretty stupid. Usually people as dumb as you keep their mouths shut to keep from embarrassing themselves over and over, but clearly you have no shame.

People like you, who are totally and completely obsessed with race, are absolutely disgusting. For you, there is nothing but skin color, even when the issue is citizenship and not skin. And your interest in foment racial animus just to get a win for the dumbest person to ever run for the White House and the only America-hater ever is beyond repugnant. I don’t know how you live with yourself, as clearly pathetic as you are.

I would ask you to stop lying about my posts but I know that lies are all you have … well, the lies and your constant refrain of “raaaaacissssst!!!” to anything and everything. Look in the mirror and you’ll see the person who thinks of everything in terms of race. Of course, your defective mind probably can’t handle anything more complex. Frankly, I’m surprised you can breathe without the aid of machinery.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 6:41 AM

My take on Condi Rice.

kingsjester on July 13, 2012 at 6:41 AM

but the well has been poisoned against female genuine conservative candidates.

AbaddonsReign on July 13, 2012 at 6:19 AM

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 6:43 AM

I like Condi for a number of offices.. I don’t like her for VP. She hasn’t run for any office that I know of and I have know idea what positions she holds on any number of issues.

jpmn on July 13, 2012 at 6:44 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 6:41 AM

Want to really stump her? Ask her to explain her political philosophy.

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Of course, the above is only with reference to those Presidents who weren’t grandfathered in by having been citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, but I’m pretty sure you know nothing about that, anyway, since you seem to be quite the idiot and totally ignorant of anything outside of skin color.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Want to really stump her? Ask her to explain her political philosophy.

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Heh. I doubt she knows what the word “philosophy” even means.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

I like Condi for a number of offices.. I don’t like her for VP. She hasn’t run for any office that I know of and I have know idea what positions she holds on any number of issues.

jpmn on July 13, 2012 at 6:44 AM

Obama/Rice 2012

Does that give you any clues?

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 6:47 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Heh. I was gonna add “hell, ask her to SPELL philosophy”.

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 6:48 AM

Perhaps because it’s first time in 200 years there were sufficient facts to warrant such scrutiny. Duhhhhhhhhh.

tommyboy on July 13, 2012 at 6:24 AM

To be clear I’m not calling conservatives racist. It’s not inherently racist to want less federal control and lower taxes. I’m not calling you a racist because I disagree with your politics. Let me be very clear about that.

Birthers are a different story. These are people who see a black man in charge and.. they just can’t deal with it. He must have cheated somehow.

Do you remember how when Al Gore lost the recounts, the left didn’t drop it for years? Selected, not elected. Yeah, that was a big thing. That was the left being a bunch of sore losers. I’ve always thought, suck it up, you lost.

But at least they had a reason. Gore had won the popular vote. The recount was extremely close. It’s very possible Gore could have won. But he didn’t, so they should have dropped it and moved on.

Birthers are the same sort. They lost, but they can’t believe they lost fair and square. But they didn’t lose by a little, like in 2000. They lost by a lot. They got humiliated at the polls. There’s only one thing they could do – contest his eligibility. How’d they do it? They used his race, his upbringing. He’s not “american enough”, whatever that means. I’m guessing it means white and christian enough, since that’s the only group they’ll vote for.

It’s not the kind of outright hostile racism you saw in the 40s.

It’s the implied racism. Implied racism is like when someone turns on the news, showing some black kid got arrested, and they go “that figures.” It’s like when Rush says “Barack Hussein Obama”, but not “Willard Mitt Romney”. It’s like when someone feels the need to call Barack “Barky”, which I’ve already seen used elsewhere on the internet in the eloquent phrase “Darky Barky Obama”, so don’t try to explain that away, you’re not fooling anyone.

So, are conservatives racist? No. Just the ones who are racist.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Heh. I was gonna add “hell, ask her to SPELL philosophy”.

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 6:48 AM

I’d be willing to bet that tripler has had discussions where she detailed why the concept of spelling in English is … RAAAACISSST!!!

No joke. I’d even give you good odds on that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 6:53 AM

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

You need to look up Captain Queeg. Maybe you can help him find his missing strawberries.

If white folks are racist, explain Lt. Col. Allen West

kingsjester on July 13, 2012 at 6:53 AM

So, are conservatives racist? No. Just the ones who are racist.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Then Obama should stop feeding them, don’t you think?

Cleombrotus on July 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM

Just the ones who are racist.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

apparently you’ve never heard comments coming from the likes of jesse jackson and al sharpton and the folks at naacp…

delusional

cmsinaz on July 13, 2012 at 6:56 AM

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

so you must have had a problem from the libs calling bush bushitler and all the crap they spewed for 8 years as well, correct?

cmsinaz on July 13, 2012 at 6:57 AM

I never excused anyone else’s apparent racism in calling out birthers.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:58 AM

It’s the implied racism. Implied racism is like when someone turns on the news, showing some black kid got arrested, and they go “that figures.”

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Now you’re ragging on Jesse Jackson, huh?

“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery — then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” — Jesse Jackson, 1993

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 13, 2012 at 6:58 AM

so you must have had a problem from the libs calling bush bushitler and all the crap they spewed for 8 years as well, correct?

Considering I voted for the man twice, yes.

triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:58 AM

So, are conservatives racist?
triple on July 13, 2012 at 6:50 AM

No, just the ones you can’t refute using logic and reason.

tommyboy on July 13, 2012 at 6:59 AM

If white folks are racist, explain Lt. Col. Allen West

kingsjester on July 13, 2012 at 6:53 AM

That’s easy KJ. Whitey only sees the filling inside the Oreo. You see, you have to hate the honky and reject his world view to be “authentically” black.

swinia sutki on July 13, 2012 at 7:00 AM

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