NYT: DNA linked to 2004 murder found on OWS chain may have come from lab contamination

posted at 10:09 pm on July 11, 2012 by Allahpundit

I think we all knew something was fishy about a scenario involving an Occupier behaving violently.

The DNA that investigators initially believed was recovered from skin cells on the slain woman’s portable compact disc player and from the chain found after the March protest came from a laboratory supervisor at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, the person briefed on the matter said.

“The O.C.M.E. tainted the samples and it was the O.C.M.E. supervisor’s whose DNA was on both,” the person said.

But Ellen S. Borakove, a spokeswoman for the Medical Examiner’s Office, said, “We’ve excluded all medical examiner personnel.” She added that the office was still working on the test.

I’m not sure where that leaves us, but the New York Post — which had this story front page earlier today — is also hearing from sources that it’s a bad sample:

“The DNA was contaminated,” a source said today.

“It was a total screw up,” said another.

Another law enforcement source familiar with the unsolved Fox case said it was highly improbable that there was a real connection between the material on the chain and the DNA on the CD player.

“What are the chances that the killer came in contact with this chain and left his DNA on it all these years later?” the source said.

The prime suspect has already been excluded as a source of the DNA. I can’t understand where the contamination could have come from, though, if the medical examiners have all been ruled out. Maybe a cop who worked the 2004 murder and handled the CD player also, as chance would have it, ended up working the case involving Occupiers and the subway gate? You would think they’d have protocols to eliminate obvious sources of contamination before leaking a bombshell scoop to the New York media about unsolved cases and the Occupy crew.


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So what’s the take-away here? That the MSM is incompetent or that the Medical Examiner’s office is? Or is it that no one was really prepared to be all that shocked that the OWS may have contained a murderer?

cynccook on July 11, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Screw-up….

Yeah….that’s it….

catmman on July 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Meh, occupiers are totally legit.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM

You Wing nuts need to absorb more of MSNBC.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I blame Bush…

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM

This reporting makes zero sense.

tetriskid on July 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

You Wing nuts need to absorb more of MSNBC.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM

My last post should give clue that I absorb…
:)

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Occupy my Koch.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Mary Katharine Ham?

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Anyway..

Back to watching that video of Sarah Jessica Parker telling me about…
That guy…
And a party…

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM

“What are the chances that the killer came in contact with this chain and left his DNA on it all these years later?”

The killer was never caught…

… and considering the amount of assaults, rapes, riots, and even killings durinng the OWS protests, where else would a psychopath feel more at home?

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:19 PM

… and considering the amount of assaults, rapes, riots, and even killings durinng the OWS protests, where else would a psychopath feel more at home?

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Don’t forget…shitting…
To that list..

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:20 PM

What are we now, CSI Hot Air?

TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

where else would a psychopath feel more at home?

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Wasn’t Bill Ayers there?

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:22 PM

funny.

TWO stories now on DNA screwups benefiting the Obama voter base……

I call bullshizzat.

ted c on July 11, 2012 at 10:23 PM

What are we now, CSI Hot Air?

TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Magnum PI..

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Occupy my Koch.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Uh oh. You’re not drunk-commenting again, are you?

cynccook on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I’m surprised cross-contamination doesn’t happen more often. We’re talking about microscopic samples.

Paul-Cincy on July 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM

What are we now, CSI Hot Air?

TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Magnum PI..

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Colombo

SparkPlug on July 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Uh oh. You’re not drunk-commenting again, are you?

cynccook on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM

He/she/it made a weird obscene reference in the MKH thread too. Likely ban hammer is in order here.

Paul-Cincy on July 11, 2012 at 10:28 PM

“The DNA was contaminated,” a source said today.

“It was a total screw up,” said another.

O_o

How…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I wonder if that Occupy POS that SWATTED Erick Erickson or Aaron Worthing has been found. He did refer to MM’s missing cousin, Marizela Perez, in his phone call to one of them. That is worth looking into, IMO.

ted c on July 11, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Colombo

SparkPlug on July 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM

But he smoked…
Not a good message for the children.

But Thomas Magnum was a lady’s man..
Sandra Fluck loves some Magnum™

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Don’t forget…shitting…
To that list..

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:20 PM

How could I forget…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:32 PM

“The DNA was contaminated,” a source said today.

“It was a total screw up,” said another.

Maybe that explains how we got Barack Hussein Kardashian as president and Eric “Black Panther” Holder as AG.

TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:33 PM

What are we now, CSI Hot Air?

TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Magnum PI..

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Colombo

SparkPlug on July 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Sherlock Holmes…!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

allahp; i sent you a totally “DUDE” worthy link to tips from the DC.

ted c on July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

He/she/it made a weird obscene reference in the MKH thread too. Likely ban hammer is in order here.

Paul-Cincy on July 11, 2012 at 10:28 PM

No, no! LOL He’s a good guy. He’s the rose that by any other name would smell as sweet. Uh, so to speak.

cynccook on July 11, 2012 at 10:35 PM

let’s see…un-named sources say it is a screw up.
the lab says it is real…so far

a defense attorney will always say it is screwed up

the murder was in nyc…the chain was from nyc.

i am not seeing any reason to disbelieve the lab at this point

r keller on July 11, 2012 at 10:36 PM

I think we all knew something was fishy about a scenario involving an Occupier behaving violently.

/sarc

Resist We Much on July 11, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Sherlock Holmes…!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

My dear Watson…
I think you are on to something :)

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:37 PM

This is actually a disappointing result. Not because an OWS thug isn’t also a murderer, but because it looked like maybe some justice for Fox’s family might actually be in sight.

NotCoach on July 11, 2012 at 10:43 PM

laughing out aloud, no I am carbon_footprint, yo.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:44 PM

WHAT ever.

minnesoter on July 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM

“One of the few clues of her death was a DNA sample from the CD player she was carrying, which was found about 100 feet away from the body.”

So you have the DNA sample from the CD player…

… You have the DNA sample from the technician that took the sample.

You have the DNA sample from the OWSers (not to be mistaken from the ROESs)…

… Then you have the DNA of the technician that took the DNA from the OWSers (not to be mistaken for the ROESs).

There was a match…

… but not anymore.

Soooo…

Either the same technician took both DNA samples and was so careless that they/it/he/she contaminated the samples since the Forensic Lab said… ummm… nothing to see here…

… Or we have a match from the killer to the OWS!

WATSON… We are in search of Rodents of Extrodinary Size!!!”

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Sherlock Holmes…!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Kojak

RickB on July 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Surely they know what “substance” the DNA is from. Blood, hair follicle, spit, boogers, or (gawd help me) the “little swimmers”.

Its my understanding that DNA doesn’t have a neon sign that says “DNA HERE!”, so you kinda have to look for something that might have a DNA sample.

What did they find?

BobMbx on July 11, 2012 at 10:46 PM

The explaination is simple- the medical examiner was the mystery occupooper.

bernverdnardo1 on July 11, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Paul_Cincinnati, Bless your heart. Lol

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Kojak

RickB on July 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Nope..
He sucked a sugary stick..

Bad message for our Obama kids..

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:48 PM

O_o

How…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Kramer was there ;-)

burrata on July 11, 2012 at 10:48 PM

The effing butler did it.

TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM

WHAT ever.

minnesoter on July 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Nice post…

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Lord Inspector Lynley

Resist We Much on July 11, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Paul_Cincinnati, Bless your heart. Lol

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Urban Dictionary
Bless your heart

1. This is a term used by the people of the southern United States particularly near the Gulf of Mexico to express to someone that they are an idiot without saying such harsh words.

*sitting with idiotic look on face*

Paul-Cincy on July 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Its my understanding that DNA doesn’t have a neon sign that says “DNA HERE!”, so you kinda have to look for something that might have a DNA sample.

What did they find?

BobMbx on July 11, 2012 at 10:46 PM

poop

bernverdnardo1 on July 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Inspector Sledge Hammer

tom daschle concerned on July 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

When “well-meaning” wing-nuts espouse moronic ideals, a good portion of this nation’s sinister folk will join up in droves.

RedCrow on July 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Nope..
He sucked a sugary stick..

Bad message for our Obama kids..

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Guess that leaves out Jake and the Fatman, huh?

Flora Duh on July 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Where is it, Mr. Fung?

Curtiss on July 11, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Paul Cincy if the shoe fits…

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Guess that leaves out Jake and the Fatman, huh?

Flora Duh on July 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I am afraid so..:)

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

i know in the state of MA there were severe problems with evidence and the medical examiner’s office- severe and compromising enough to throw numerous convictions and rulings of cause of deaths into jeopardy.

http://www.massbar.org/publications/section-review/2008/v10-n1/repeated-problems-in-state-medical-examiner%E2%80%99s-office-result-in-unreliable-certification-as-to-cause-of-death/

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/03/19/blunders_persist_at_office_of_state_medical_examiner/?page=full

there has been for some time a crisis in america with coroners( who are often not even doctors or trained in forensics) and medical examiners- how states and municipalities, cities/ towns, carry out these offices. what is presented on such shows as ‘Bones’, ‘NCIS’ etc bears little resemblance to the chaos and incompetence that plagues the offices and persons who determine cause of suspicious deaths and are charged with maintaining chain of evidence and appropriate procedures that would withstand scrutiny and challenges in a court room.

i know it’s pbs but they did an excellent show on this very problem :

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/post-mortem/

compromised evidence is not rare. the scenario presented is highly probable.

mittens on July 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Guess that leaves out Jake and the Fatman, huh?

Flora Duh on July 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Unless Jake is Gay..

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

So what’s the take-away here? That the MSM is incompetent or that the Medical Examiner’s office is?

cynccook on July 11, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Now you’re giving me a false equivalence here, and I won’t stand for that.

It’s entirely within the realm of probability they’re both stunningly incompetent.

gekkobear on July 11, 2012 at 11:09 PM

WHAT ever.

minnesoter on July 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Nice post…

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Yeah well, I’m sorry but this is a local NYC matter. The poor thing wanted to be a kool kid playing with the commie-anarchists and got herself killed, apparently. And we’re supposed to get all caught up in the blood work?

minnesoter on July 11, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Guess that leaves out Jake and the Fatman, huh?

Flora Duh on July 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I am afraid so..:)

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Nice post. Dweeb.

minnesoter on July 11, 2012 at 11:10 PM

What are we now, CSI Hot Air?

TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Magnum PI..

Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Colombo

SparkPlug on July 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Sherlock Holmes…!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Jane Marple.

chemman on July 11, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Yeah well, I’m sorry but this is a local NYC matter. The poor thing wanted to be a kool kid playing with the commie-anarchists and got herself killed, apparently. And we’re supposed to get all caught up in the blood work?

minnesoter

where do you pull this crap out of? she was a working class kid from jersey, a juilliard theatre student out for a jog and was murdered in 2004 in circumstances that resemble a sex crime- what the puck does that have to do with ‘ being kool’ and commies? it was 2004.

so disrespectful to this poor girl’s memory and her family- why don’t you read the actual stories first?

mittens on July 11, 2012 at 11:17 PM

What are we now, CSI Hot Air?
TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Magnum PI..
Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Colombo
SparkPlug on July 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Sherlock Holmes…!
:)
Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Jane Marple.
chemman on July 11, 2012 at 11:14 PM

…we don’t need DNA…we got the suspect in a picture…leaning his bare arse against the cop car!

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2012 at 11:29 PM

And we’re supposed to get all caught up in the blood
work? in my stool?

minnesoter on July 11, 2012 at 11:09 PM

…fart!

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Yes, this totally absolves OWS of all the rapes, overdoses, anti-semitism, hypocrisy, violence, vandalism, and general anarchy committed by Occupiers when OWS was sort of relevant.

MidniteRambler on July 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Guess that leaves out Jake and the Fatman, huh?
Flora Duh on July 11, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I was thinking the Riptide crew ought to helicopter in.

AH_C on July 12, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Just curious…exactly why were they testing the chain for DNA in the first place?

120pages on July 12, 2012 at 12:25 AM

You would think they’d have protocols to eliminate obvious sources of contamination before leaking a bombshell scoop to the New York media about unsolved cases and the Occupy crew.

I agree. Think of what a disaster this could have turned into.

If people hadn’t caught this apparent error, it could have unfairly tarnished OWS’s otherwise exemplary reputation as a non-violent movement of law-abiding, responsible citizens, whose personal hygiene is beyond reproach.

RINO in Name Only on July 12, 2012 at 12:59 AM

If true, reminds me of a CSI:NY episode where they thought there was a serial killer in the city, but it turned out the person who made the q-tips used for swabbing hadn’t used gloves; thus she got her DNA “found” at the crime scenes.

hadsil on July 12, 2012 at 1:08 AM

The butler in the parlor with the poker. As a former lab tech, the Contamination!! Excuse is right up there with the Wiener Hacked! Excuse. FAIL!

starboardhelm on July 12, 2012 at 1:13 AM

An Occupier linked to murder by DNA?

Cmon, They are only into vandalism, rape, drugs, looting, theft of their fellow occupiers property, taking a dump in public, more rape, more drugs, more violence, attempt to blow up a bridge, racial hatred by biting off a finger of a black man in a wheelchair, violating squatter laws, noise ordinances broken, taking money from those that earned it, protesting bank officers at their homes and riots in the streets ……..so far.

They are a class act supported by Obowma and Pelosi.

dthorny on July 12, 2012 at 1:51 AM

I would think that the DNA recovered in 2004 has been locked away for years with only a printout of the results, making it highly unlikely that that was the source of the contamination, leaving… someone who was there in 2004?
Unless they want to say the missed labeled the samples, but they didn’t.

Gwillie on July 12, 2012 at 1:53 AM

I’m still a bit curious as to why they were testing a chain used in a vandalism case for DNA in the first place. Is that something that normally would be done? Or was there something unusual about this chain or case of vandalism?

Blacklake on July 12, 2012 at 2:08 AM

If only we came together back in the boom days of the Clinton era and passed Hillarycare without reading what would have been in it, and if only GW woulda signed off on the Kyoto protocol, we woulda fried that murderer by now. In Gov’t We Trust.

racquetballer on July 12, 2012 at 2:28 AM

What are we now, CSI Hot Air?
TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Magnum PI..
Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Colombo
SparkPlug on July 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Sherlock Holmes…!
:)
Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Jane Marple.
chemman on July 11, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Five-0..Five-0!! Book em Danno!!

dec5 on July 12, 2012 at 2:36 AM

When I first read about the match, I read up on the case and could tell that it had to be contamination. I wonder why the news of a match was even made public.

Blake on July 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM

Five-0..Five-0!! Book em Danno!!

dec5 on July 12, 2012 at 2:36 AM

McMillan and Wife.

Fallon on July 12, 2012 at 7:52 AM

So the laboratory supervisor is the killer!

Dante on July 12, 2012 at 8:43 AM

What are we now, CSI Hot Air?
TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Magnum PI..
Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Colombo
SparkPlug on July 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Sherlock Holmes…!
:)
Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Jane Marple.
chemman on July 11, 2012 at 11:14 PM
Five-0..Five-0!! Book em Danno!!

Inspector Clouseau

brtex on July 12, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Funny, how Bill Ayers, was by his own admission ‘Free as a Bird’ Guilty of Sin’, how Kimberlin, somehow made it out of stir, how
the arson at Perry’s governors mansion, and Palin’s church, were
never solved,

narciso on July 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM

or that you were all pawns in a smear campaign against a bunch of kids protesting a corrupt system….
yeah that can’t be it.

Zekecorlain on July 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM

This thread is priceless.

Phil Byler on July 12, 2012 at 10:56 AM

What are we now, CSI Hot Air?
TXUS on July 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Magnum PI..
Electrongod on July 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Colombo
SparkPlug on July 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Sherlock Holmes…!
:)
Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Jane Marple.
chemman on July 11, 2012 at 11:14 PM
Five-0..Five-0!! Book em Danno!!

Simon and Simon!

Liberty or Death on July 12, 2012 at 8:57 PM