New Obama EO to give WH control of the Internet?

posted at 3:21 pm on July 11, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

We get a lot of e-mail about executive orders these days, much of it overly hysterical reaction to routine updates on long-standing EOs.  Executive orders are legitimate when they deal directly with implementation of Article II powers or the enforcement of laws passed by Congress, as long as they don’t arrogate authority not granted by the law or the Constitution.  Obviously, there is plenty of room for abuse in that system, but under normal circumstances an EO is simply an instrument of delineating executive-branch policy by having the President himself sign off on it.

However, an EO signed last Friday generated enough concern that it caught the attention of the media.  Titled “Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions,” it appears to grant DHS some fairly wide-ranging responsibility to ensure that private networks and broadcast facilities operate properly in the case of national emergency.  This is the section that has some worried:

Sec5.2. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall: (a) oversee the development, testing, implementation, and sustainment of NS/EP communications, including: communications that support Continuity of Government; Federal, State, local, territorial, and tribal emergency preparedness and response communications; non-military executive branch communications systems; critical infrastructure protection networks; and non-military communications networks, particularly with respect to prioritization and restoration;

(b) incorporate, integrate, and ensure interoperability and the necessary combination of hardness, redundancy, mobility, connectivity, interoperability, restorability, and security to obtain, to the maximum extent practicable, the survivability of NS/EP communications defined in section 5.2(a) of this order under all circumstances, including conditions of crisis or emergency;

(c) provide to the Executive Committee the technical support necessary to develop and maintain plans adequate to provide for the security and protection of NS/EP communications;

(d) receive, integrate, and disseminate NS/EP communications information to the Federal Government and State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as appropriate, to establish situational awareness, priority setting recommendations, and a common operating picture for NS/EP communications information;

(e) satisfy priority communications requirements through the use of commercial, Government, and privately owned communications resources, when appropriate;

(f) maintain a joint industry-Government center that is capable of assisting in the initiation, coordination, restoration, and reconstitution of NS/EP communications services or facilities under all conditions of emerging threats, crisis, or emergency;

(g) serve as the Federal lead for the prioritized restoration of communications infrastructure and coordinate the prioritization and restoration of communications, including resolution of any conflicts in or among priorities, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense when activities referenced in section 5.1(a) of this order are impacted, consistent with the National Response Framework. If conflicts in or among priorities cannot be resolved between the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security, they shall be referred for resolution in accordance with section 2.1 of this order; and

(h) within 60 days of the date of this order, in consultation with the Executive Committee where appropriate, develop and submit to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, a detailed plan that describes the Department of Homeland Security’s organization and management structure for its NS/EP communications functions, including the Government Emergency Telecommunications Service, Wireless Priority Service, Telecommunications Service Priority program, Next Generation Network Priority program, the Executive Committee JPO, and relevant supporting entities.

CNet raised a red flag on it last night, declaring that the EO would give the executive branch control of the Internet when it so chooses:

President Barack Obama signed an executive order last week that could give the U.S. government control over the Internet. …

According to The Verge, critics of the order are concerned with Section 5.2, which is a lengthy part outlining how telecommunications and the Internet are controlled. It states that the Secretary of Homeland Security will “oversee the development, testing, implementation, and sustainment” of national security and emergency preparedness measures on all systems, including private “non-military communications networks.” According to The Verge, critics say this gives Obama the on/off switch to the Web.

CNet also notes that the authority on which this EO may rest didn’t get extended this year:

Presidential powers over the Internet and telecommunications were laid out in a U.S. Senate bill in 2009, which proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet. But that legislation was not included in the Cybersecurity Act of 2012 earlier this year.

The Daily Caller joined in this morning:

Should disaster strike the U.S., the secretary of Homeland Security will be in charge of re-establishing and prioritizing communications to ensure the continuation of the federal government, according to a new executive order from President Barack Obama.

The executive order, signed on Friday, once again expands the powers of the Department of Homeland Security — this time to include the handling of communications during a national security event or natural disaster. The order also allows for DHS to re-establish communications “through the use of commercial, government, and privately owned communications resources, when appropriate.”

The secretary of homeland security, in coordination with the secretary of defense, would also “serve as the federal lead for the prioritized restoration of communications infrastructure and coordinate the prioritization and restoration of communications, including resolution of any conflicts in or among priorities.”

My natural skepticism, honed from years of hysterical overreaction to routine EOs, still makes me somewhat unwilling to jump into a full freakout over this issue.  The text as highlighted by CNet and the DC appears to deal with DHS’ role in re-establishing services once they’ve been interrupted in a national emergency, and their authority to prioritize the resources necessary to repair them.  That too could be abused, but at least on the surface it sounds like a reasonable and rational idea.  I don’t see any specific language in the EO that gives DHS or anyone else the authority to “control the Internet” in the manner that many rightly feared with the “on/off switch” language in the 2009 bill.

This took a little more time than usual to research, only because older EOs aren’t very well indexed.  However, this appears to be yet another update of an existing EO, this time EO 12472 issued by Ronald Reagan in 1984.  The language has been updated to include the Internet, which quite obviously wasn’t an issue in 1984, and transfers authority granted in 1984 to the Secretary of Defense to both the SecDef and Secretary of Homeland Security.  Reagan’s EO even includes private communication resources within the scope of the EO, in sections 2 (b)(1)a, 2 (c)(1), 3, and 3(b)(4).  Section 2 (b)(1)a is most relevant to the latest EO, emphasis mine:

(1) The National Security Council shall advise and assist the President in:

a. Coordinating the development of policy, plans, programs and standards for the mobilization and use of the Nation’s commercial, government, and privately owned telecommunications resources, in order to meet national security or emergency preparedness requirements;

I have an obvious interest in ensuring that any administration — whether it be Republican, Democratic, or Kanamit — cannot just pull the plug on private communications systems to silence dissent and opposition.  This particular EO doesn’t really provide any new authority to do so, nor does it provide the kind of on/off-switch that rightly concerned civil libertarians in 2009.  It’s a good idea to maintain vigilance, as long as it’s rational, but also to understand the EO system that already exists — which is in need of a lot more sunlight, regardless of who’s President at any one time.

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Not surprising. This administration has no limit to their control over citizens.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Just like Russia

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Air Force drones training on American citizens.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Link above was courtesy of JPeterman.

Welcome to AmeriKa, comrade!

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:23 PM

DHS has device to detect adrenaline levels and can ascertain what you had for breakfast from 160 yards away.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Sure. Why not? This administration won’t be happy until it controls the hours you sleep at night, the number of times you can use the toilet, and whether you put your socks on or your trousers on first. Excuse me while I go get sick. At least while I can still do so without the Feds watching and keeping count.

totherightofthem on July 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Most worrysome is that they are taking control of the waterways and food.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Also, the water supplies…the land is run by thugs.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Politics in one word.

Democrats: Control
Republicans: Freedom

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Next ‘National Emergency’: Obama loses the election.

All communications, nationwide, are to be shut down pending final determination that Obama actually won despite all the numbers.

Updates to come when we let them be released to our satisfaction.

Liam on July 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM

This is getting out of control…he needs to be stopped.

NJ Red on July 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Do I need more ammo?

derecho on July 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM

AmeriKa was freer under King George, in many regards.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Let’s hope the Russians Obamas’ love their children too.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I would note, however, the residing president wasn’t deterred from abusing the built-in credit card internet security when he was funded by all those foreigners back in ’08…

…just sayin’

Turtle317 on July 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM

This reminds me of the scene in Caligula where the emperor had a large stack of laws on his desk, and didn’t have the time to read them, so he was just rubber stamping all of them.

Emperor 0bama is just rubber stamping every power-grab that he can, with absolutely no regard for his Constitutional limits or for the liberty of American citizens.

UltimateBob on July 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Air Force drones training on American citizens

Sarcasm? Please tell it was…my old room mate practiced fire control and forward observation on cars passing thru the Fort Sill Reservation, do you want to have a freak-out about that, too?

Why NOT Track cars? Or should we have increased training costs, by importing the moving targtes?

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Do I need more ammo?

derecho on July 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM

The U.N. will confiscate it, if you let them.

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ – Molon Labe

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Politics in one word.

Democrats: Control
Republicans: Freedom compromise with Democrats

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Fixed, for accuracy.

I hope that changes quick, but I’m not too optimistic.

UltimateBob on July 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Sometimes HotAir sounds like Democrat Underground or BartCop when Bush was POTUS or like Freepers under Bill Clinton…Y2K was an excuse to cancel elections! Bush is going to declare a Dictatorship! 11111ELEVENTY111111111

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:31 PM

New Obama EO to give WH control of the Internet?

However, an EO signed last Friday generated enough concern that it caught the attention of the media.

…JugEars controls the minds and mouths of the MSM now…why should they be concerned?

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Sarcasm? Please tell it was…my old room mate practiced fire control and forward observation on cars passing thru the Fort Sill Reservation, do you want to have a freak-out about that, too?

Why NOT Track cars? Or should we have increased training costs, by importing the moving targtes?

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:29 PM

No sarcasm. I am happy to see you are fine with drones following unaware Americans out for a drive.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:29 PM

I did see that earlier and I do have concerns about the direction.

derecho on July 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Okay JFKY, just relax and don’t worry about anything.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

It’s good to be the King.

portlandon on July 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Politics in one word.

Democrats: Control
Republicans: Freedom compromise with Democrats
Tea Party: Freedom

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Fixed, for accuracy.

I hope that changes quick, but I’m not too optimistic.

UltimateBob on July 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Just added a little something in there.

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

I can’t wait for the twisted pretzel logic the libs will use after the election trying to explain why something like this is an abomination for President Romney, but was ok for Obama.

BacaDog on July 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

I, for one, welcome our new Government Overlords.

Obama is so cool!

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

trigon on July 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

No sarcasm. I am happy to see you are fine with drones following unaware Americans out for a drive.

Oh how were they HURT!? Mind Control Rays?

Doancha worry about my friend calling for fire on unsuspecting Americans out for a drive?

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Anyone care to speculate how Oblowme will react if he loses the election?

Liam on July 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Okay JFKY, just relax and don’t worry about anything.

When you show me what I’m supposed to be worried about in that story about drones, I’ll worry….

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM

@Ed

Thanks for hashing this. It obviously took some work to do it, and it’s a pretty quick orientation on this side of the post.

Anyway, ‘preciate it.

Most worrysome is that they are taking control of the waterways and food.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM

and and and and :)

Almost over. This part.

Axe on July 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Oh how were they HURT!? Mind Control Rays?

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

What’s the opposite of overreacting? Complacency?

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Dr. Krauthammer said that the first US citizen to shoot a drone out of the sky will be a national hero.

Anyone care to speculate how Oblowme will react if he loses the election?

Liam on July 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Either way, Nov/Dec will be hell.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Do I need more ammo?

derecho on July 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM

One can never have (or use at the range) enough.

Steve Eggleston on July 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

One can never have (or use at the range) enough.

Steve Eggleston on July 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Good S. Eggleston, I thought of the “never thin or rich enough” saying.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

When obama “postpones” (cancels) the election, due to a ‘national security emergency’ on the evening of Sunday 11/4, it is imperative that he have the ability to shut down all public communications, most importantly, the internet.

Just play along folks – nothing to worry about – it’s all for your own good.

Pork-Chop on July 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Does this idiot in chief realize how much power he will be handing over to a Republican president? I can’t wait to see libs crying about these same powers a Republican has. Reap what you sow.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Oh how were they HURT!? Mind Control Rays?

Doancha worry about my friend calling for fire on unsuspecting Americans out for a drive?

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

I think your IP Address should be up for all the sites you visit.
I want to know all the places you shop, what you buy, and who you correspond with. I want to know your siblings names, addresses and occupations. I want to know what your spouse does for a living, I want to know what they drive, and I want to know your sexual preferences and preferred sexual proclivities.

None of my business?

YOUR DAMNED RIGHT ITS NOT MY BUSINESS. AND ITS NOT THE GOVENRMENTS BUSINESS EITHER!!!!

portlandon on July 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM

We get a lot of e-mail about executive orders these days, much of it overly hysterical reaction to routine updates on long-standing EOs.

Okay, who got a EO smackdown from Ed in their inbox?

*sheepishly raises hand and looks around*

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Either way, Nov/Dec will be hell.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Don’t forget most of January. While we get a new Congress early January, Obama is still in charge until at least noon Eastern January 20.

Steve Eggleston on July 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Just added a little something in there.

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Yep.

UltimateBob on July 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM

“CNet raised a red flag on it last night, declaring that the EO would give the executive branch control of the Internet when it so chooses…”

I’m thinking October Surprise…

Seven Percent Solution on July 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

ho hum….will mittens revoke/not reimplement ALL of the EOs that obama has implemented IF he’s elected? Inquiring minds want to know

DUMP MITTENS NOW … America deserves to be saved!

Pragmatic on July 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM

What’s the opposite of overreacting? Complacency?

Well I find complacency a whole lot more useful about “Air force drones tracking civilians” 111ELEVENTY1111

Or even, “Federal Government with Internet Kill Switch”…considering that the last time we tried the Emergency Alert System it had multiple failures…and there was HotAir/Freeper Freak Out about, THAT…I’m not sure I really believe the Federal Government CAN control the Internet, much less try.

For me, the “freak out” is over Cloud Computing and the Federal interpretation about abandonned/lost communications/emails and how that law allows them to access cloud data without a warrant.

Sure, it’s not “Fed’s are gonna kill the Internet” but it’s a lot more disturbing, because it’s a lot more likely, even if it’s not as massive….

Then there is SOPA and a number of other laws to include net neutrality, all of which I think deserve attention, but this EO or “Air FOrce Drones and civilian cars” ” meh.

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Check out this hidden ‘treasure’

The plan is tucked away in a wide-ranging, 687-page proposed rule issued by the Health and Human Services Department on Monday that makes numerous adjustments to the Medicare payment system. It is the latest move by Washington to wean the United States off medical isotopes produced with highly enriched uranium, which could be used to make a nuclear weapon if it fell into the wrong hands.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Breaking news – servers moved to flying drones over international waters to avoid American law. Details at 11…

http://www.gizmag.com/the-pirate-bay-sky-servers/21908/

solatic on July 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Either way, Nov/Dec will be hell.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

I expect a flurry of spiteful EOs. Then, on Jan. 20, Oblowoff will refuse to attend the inauguration of Mitt (assuming Mitt wins).

Daring to go further, and being cynical, I wouldn’t be surprised if O,hell locks himself in the WH and orders the Secret Service to repel anyone who tries to remove him.

The 101st Airborne is the unit specifically tasked to defend Washington, DC, if I recall. It might take the whole division to send O-fukU back to Chicago.

Liam on July 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM

My natural skepticism, honed from years of hysterical overreaction to routine EOs, still makes me somewhat unwilling to jump into a full freakout over this issue.

Sure, let’s give BO and his administration the benefit of the doubt. It’s not like they’ve overstepped their bounds before. /s

yubley on July 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM

I think your IP Address should be up for all the sites you visit.
I want to know all the places you shop, what you buy, and who you correspond with. I want to know your siblings names, addresses and occupations. I want to know what your spouse does for a living, I want to know what they drive, and I want to know your sexual preferences and preferred sexual proclivities.

None of my business?

YOUR DAMNED RIGHT ITS NOT MY BUSINESS. AND ITS NOT THE GOVENRMENTS BUSINESS EITHER!!!!

And this is in the EO or under the purview of US Air Force drones, how? Nice try to deflect! “You aren’t worried about this EO!?!? You must feel all information should be open to government inspection11111111OMG1111″

If that’s a concern worry more about the Fed’s interpretation of Cloud Data, than this EO.

And the rest of the thread with “October Surprises” and the like…proof of one of the Laws of Politics, “The Party Out of Power is CRAZY.”

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Liam, the liar lied again. I think, if he loses, he’ll run again in 2016, given he’ll leave at all.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

“The Party Out of Power is CRAZY.”

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Crazy is better than delusional.

The Oct. surprise will be in Sept. and it will entail an attack on the Iranian ships or some such in that region. Obama can simply not afford to run on his record/the economy and will change the subject. If anyone doesn’t vote for the CiC in wartimes they will be labeled “racists”.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM

We’ll have an orderly transfer of power. :)

And then years of clearing the minefield.

Take naps, start working out. Vacuum. Sell you junk on eBay (or wherever). Press your trousers. Order things reasonably. Simplify. Be prepared.

Hydrate.

Axe on July 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Oh how were they HURT!? Mind Control Rays?

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM

What’s the opposite of overreacting? Complacency?

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Isn’t laziness and complacency how we got into this mess in the first place? Idiotic things today and serious things tomorrow?

Don’t you worry your pretty little head about anything JFKY. The government will take care of you and has your best interests in mind.

kim roy on July 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM

House repeals Obamacare… Off to the Senate…

SWalker on July 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM

I think, if he loses, he’ll run again in 2016, given he’ll leave at all.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

I think, if he loses, he’ll need to be forcibly removed from our White House.

Also, if he isn’t Secretary General of the UN by 2013-1/2, he’ll either whither away or commit suicide. It won’t be possible for him to be nominated in 2016, for the history books will have been written in reflection of him. He’ll be lame, but not even a duck. Unless he gains a new ‘higher’ stature, he won’t be allowed even to a Hollywood pot party with cheap Mexican grass, let alone to a champagne brunch.

Liam on July 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM

5 Ds only voted to reapeal ObamaTax.

Rs have the Ds on record now. It was doomed from the go but the record is clear now.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM

But I will be able to keep my insurance plan. Right?

onomo on July 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Either way, Nov/Dec will be hell.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM

The last 3 1/2 years have already been hell.

Right Mover on July 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Lol, thanks for taking care of the lightweight, JFKY. She apparently has no problem with government spying on us all.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM

House repeals Obamacare… Off to the Senate Reid trash can, er toilet…

SWalker on July 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Just helping to clarify.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Hey everyone, JFKY trusts the government! LOL *points and laughs

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM

5 Ds only voted to reapeal ObamaTax.

Rs have the Ds on record now. It was doomed from the go but the record is clear now.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Five more than when they passed it.

Bipartisan passage!

Liam on July 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM

One thing you should never say about Obama -
” He wouldn’t dare .”

Lucano on July 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM

BREAKING NEWS: House Votes to Repeal Affordable Care Act, 244-185

canopfor on July 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM

House repeals Obamacare… Off to the Senate Reid trash can, er toilet…

SWalker on July 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Just helping to clarify.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Maybe… Most likely… but who knows, Some Dem Senators might actually want to get reelected in Nov.

SWalker on July 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM

The Oct. surprise will be in Sept. and it will entail an attack on the Iranian ships or some such in that region. Obama can simply not afford to run on his record/the economy and will change the subject. If anyone doesn’t vote for the CiC in wartimes they will be labeled “racists”.

Possibly, though Eagle Claw did NOT help Carter….

Isn’t laziness and complacency how we got into this mess in the first place? Idiotic things today and serious things tomorrow?

Don’t you worry your pretty little head about anything JFKY. The government will take care of you and has your best interests in mind.

I never said that or thought it…I simply asked how tracking civilian cars from a drone, as training, was worth an 11ELEVENTY111

I further state I don’t think the Fed’s COULD take down the Internet…they weren’t too successful with the EAS….

I DO worry about cloud computing and I worry about the Fed’s asking for server stack information…why does the FBI need all data in a server stack? Now these last two aren’t ELEVENTY worthy on the DU/Freeper/HotAir scale of Cosmic Calamities, but they represent a significant incursion into personal privacy…even if just for a FEW people.

I guess I’m less worried about Telscreens and Big Brother and more worried about your local prosecutor having a vendetta against YOU.

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM

When you can read for comprehension I’ll pay your comments some attention.

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Mitt now has a new talking point: Repeal of Otax was a bipartisan effort.

Liam on July 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM

No worries. Chief Justice Roberts is there to strike down any blatantly unconstitutional laws or executive orders.

Well… On second thought, maybe we should worry a little.

MessesWithTexas on July 11, 2012 at 4:03 PM

My natural skepticism, honed from years of hysterical overreaction to routine EOs, still makes me somewhat unwilling to jump into a full freakout over this issue.

Skepticism? I would call the unmerited benefit of the doubt Ed’s granting to this overreaching, dictatorial sociopath a lack of skepticism, if anything.

Right Mover on July 11, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Oh sure, it is totally expected .
Tyrants always take control of means of information and communications as a preparation to unleash their vengeance .
Our judges are politicians, police departments are in shambles, the borders are wide open ,crminals decide if the laws should be enforced or not and Hussein supplies guns to foreign cartels and launders their money……now he just has to make sure no one knows about his crimes against America

burrata on July 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM

House repeals Obamacare… Off to the Senate…

SWalker on July 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Where it will stay and gather as much dust as decrepit old Harry Reid himself does.

Right Mover on July 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM

When you can read for comprehension I’ll pay your comments some attention.

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Okay, lady, bygones; I ain’t madatcha.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 4:11 PM

One of President Romney’s top priorities has to be to disband the Department of Homeland Security. This “gag gift” from Bush has to go.

kbTexan on July 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM

House repeals Obamacare… Off to the Senate…

SWalker on July 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Where it will stay and gather as much dust as decrepit old Harry Reid himself does.

Right Mover on July 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Yeah, I bet they vote on that right after they pass a budget.

kbTexan on July 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM

I never said that or thought it…I simply asked how tracking civilian cars from a drone, as training, was worth an 11ELEVENTY111

I further state I don’t think the Fed’s COULD take down the Internet…they weren’t too successful with the EAS….

I DO worry about cloud computing and I worry about the Fed’s asking for server stack information…why does the FBI need all data in a server stack? Now these last two aren’t ELEVENTY worthy on the DU/Freeper/HotAir scale of Cosmic Calamities, but they represent a significant incursion into personal privacy…even if just for a FEW people.

I guess I’m less worried about Telscreens and Big Brother and more worried about your local prosecutor having a vendetta against YOU.

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Oh goodie. Another passive troll. I guess you haven’t been paying attention to the past 30-40 years where giving the Democrats (or even the government) any kind of leeway, no matter how small, turns into a debacle and an erosion of privacy and/or rights.

Guess not.

Yes, it might “just” be training exercises or whatnot today. How about tomorrow or in a month or a year? You willing to trust them not to keep inching along?

Just be honest now. If you have no problem with this, then you have no problem with them continuing to inch further along with the loss of privacy and/or rights because they’ll always have some excuse.

kim roy on July 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM

One of President Romney’s top priorities has to be to disband the Department of Homeland Security. This “gag gift” from Bush has to go.

Not a bad ideer….

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM

kim roy on July 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/slavery-0

Read it, and get back to me aobut liberty and lost liberty and freedom and its erosion. It’s by a LIBERTARIAN…

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:16 PM

His Majesty Hussein the First needs more flexibility with the Minitrue Interwebs for Komrade Vlad.

Steve Z on July 11, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Yeah, let them try to abuse it and see what happens.

The Rogue Tomato on July 11, 2012 at 4:17 PM

kim roy on July 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/slavery-0

Read it, and get back to me aobut liberty and lost liberty and freedom and its erosion. It’s by a LIBERTARIAN…

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:16 PM

A wise man once said “so?”.

I repeat it. So? You want to pick nits about the past, but you are more than happy to start (if we pick your nit) or continue eroding privacy and/or rights today?

kim roy on July 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM

OK Kim, here it is, YOU are named Shoshanna Washington, you are a L3sbian, Womon of Colour…G8d?Yhwh/Allah has commanded that you live in Tuscaloosa AL…BUT you get to choose Tuscaloosa 1912 or 2012. Which do you chose?

So tell me about erosion of liberty, the US today is freer than it ever has been…in many ways.

The caterwauling about “Fascism” or “Statism” is a little silly…eternal vigilance may be the price of liberty, but declaring every EO the beginning of MiniTru is not….

And then when I note that at BartCop they were all “sure” Bush was going to declare a suspension of elections, just like the Freepers were sure that Clinton was going to do so….and then I read people at HotAir saying it about Obama…I just tune that out as silliness from my side….just like I tune the 111OMG1111 from the other side out….

In short, I don’t worry aobut UN Black Helicopters very much…feel free to worry aobut them if you want to, just don’t expect me to worry with you.

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:29 PM

And now earning my meagre crust calls.

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Part of the plan

Philly on July 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Also, the water supplies…the land is run by thugs.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM

I can’t believe more people didn’t see a problem with that.

logis on July 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I can’t believe more people didn’t see a problem with that.

logis on July 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM

They are ignorant, oblivious and happy. Rome, except exponentially faster…

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Maybe… Most likely… but who knows, Some Dem Senators might actually want to get reelected in Nov.

SWalker on July 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Precisely why Reid will never bring it up, to prevent them from being on record.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM

“On” or “Off” switch? Homeland Security? Those people couldn’t find their own asses with a map, compass, written directions or GPS.

GarandFan on July 11, 2012 at 5:06 PM

“Authority? We don’t need no steenking authority!”

-DHS

iurockhead on July 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

After the AA read this, do you think any of 92% will change their vote to Romney. How about if he cuts the signals of Springer and Povich? Then what?

rjoco1 on July 11, 2012 at 5:17 PM

“It Can’t Happen Here”
Oh, yes, it can.

Look at all of the power that unelected Janet Napolitano has assumed already.

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2012 at 5:26 PM

OK Kim, here it is, YOU are named Shoshanna Washington, you are a L3sbian, Womon of Colour…G8d?Yhwh/Allah has commanded that you live in Tuscaloosa AL…BUT you get to choose Tuscaloosa 1912 or 2012. Which do you chose?

So tell me about erosion of liberty, the US today is freer than it ever has been…in many ways.

The caterwauling about “Fascism” or “Statism” is a little silly…eternal vigilance may be the price of liberty, but declaring every EO the beginning of MiniTru is not….

And then when I note that at BartCop they were all “sure” Bush was going to declare a suspension of elections, just like the Freepers were sure that Clinton was going to do so….and then I read people at HotAir saying it about Obama…I just tune that out as silliness from my side….just like I tune the 111OMG1111 from the other side out….

In short, I don’t worry aobut UN Black Helicopters very much…feel free to worry aobut them if you want to, just don’t expect me to worry with you.

JFKY on July 11, 2012 at 4:29 PM

I guess you’re gone, but geez what a load of steaming cr*p. Being worried about the slippery slope of government intervention and/or privacy loss = this strawman.

Obviously this person cannot argue the basics of starting or continuing on with loss of privacy and/or government expansion/control.

Nice to know for the future.

kim roy on July 11, 2012 at 5:54 PM

More ammo, yes.

..but we need more amateur radio operators. People who simply rely on cell phone and internet use for communication are in for a RUDE wakeup when their POS iphone does not work during even a mild natural disaster.

TX-96 on July 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM

TX-96 on July 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Looking into that right now. I will need to get a low wattage system since I live off grid.

You should network. Find someone that is an amateur radio operator and then communicate in the immediate area with low wattage single sideband radio.

chemman on July 11, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Ed is hedging too much when he says this isn’t much of anything. It isn’t ‘anything’ at all. Nowhere does this EO, as quoted, give anyone the authority to “shut down” anything, including the internet. It is about restoring the internet when a crisis takes out our communications channels. It will do so in the order: government emergency comms, executive branch (non-DoD – DoD are most likely included in the emergency comms) comms, networks having to do with making our infrastructure run (FAA, and probably utilities), then pretty much everything else. The only “control” they will have is to possibly take over some private communication network until their own network is back up. (Which they can already do.)

GWB on July 12, 2012 at 10:48 AM

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