House votes to repeal ObamaCare — for the 33rd time

posted at 4:52 pm on July 11, 2012 by Allahpundit

Thirty-third time’s the charm?

Members approved the bill in a 244-185 vote, after five hours of debate that stretched over two days.

As expected, just a handful of Democrats supported the GOP repeal bill. Five Democrats sided with Republicans in the final vote, more than the four who sided with Republicans in a Tuesday procedural vote…

“For those who still support repealing this harmful healthcare law, we’re giving our colleagues in the Senate another chance to heed the will of the American people,” Boehner said, noting the House vote against the law at the start of the 112th Congress. “And for those who did not support repeal the last time, it’s a chance for our colleagues to reconsider.”

It’s worth doing this, I suppose, as theater for Republican voters, to reassure them that the GOP really will drop the bomb on O-Care if given the chance. Although … how reassuring is it really? These votes are being taken with absolute certainty that the bill is DOA in the Senate and on Obama’s desk. How much can you fairly extrapolate from that about the commitment of centrist Republicans to repeal if the GOP retakes the White House and Congress and suddenly their votes mean something? Beyond that, remember that House Democrats are enjoying these votes too: They’re base-pleasers for both sides, as even Republican strategists acknowledge, since they remind liberals of how drastic the consequences would be for their pet boondoggle if they don’t turn out in the fall and salvage some part of government for the left. It’s fine as a symbolic flipping of the bird to John Roberts and his new best friend in the White House, but after 33 roll calls, I’m thinking the vote-shifting potential of these gestures has reached a point of diminishing returns.

Another thing. What effect are these votes having on the caucus?

“As a doctor I fully endorse — and as a Republican I fully endorse — the goals of the 2010 health law,” said New York Rep. Nan A.S. Hayworth (R), an ophthalmologist, on Tuesday. “Every American should have access to good, affordable health care and affordable, portable health insurance.”

In moderate New Hampshire, Rep. Charlie Bass (R) indicated he wanted to find a way to allow young adults to stay on their parents’ health insurance plans and to prevent insurance companies from barring those with pre-existing conditions from purchasing coverage…

“There are more voices now saying we’ve got to have something to replace the law with,” said one Republican House member, who asked not to be named so he could freely describe the thinking of GOP colleagues. “And some substance to the replacement, because that’s what they’re hearing back home, because that’s what the other side hits us on. There are stronger calls for that within the conference.”

If the optics of a barrage of repeal votes without an agreed-upon replacement plan is starting to give centrist Republicans cold feet, that’s bad news. In fact, predictably it’s the centrists on both sides who are most tormented by these votes: Of the five Democrats who voted with the GOP today, two are from reddish-purple North Carolina and the other three come from the Republican strongholds of Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Utah. (The Utahn is Jim Matheson, who’s facing a stiff challenge from tea-party favorite Mia Love.) These votes would be hilarious if there was still a sizable Blue Dog presence in the Democratic caucus, but the big red wave of 2010 washed most of them away and now we’re left with a few stragglers trying to stay above water. Let us savor their discomfort, my friends, as we mourn our latest thwarted repeal.


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….and that’s all that will happen!

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2012 at 4:54 PM

A nice “Yay team! LET`S GO!” moment. They`re be no actual repeal this year but a good effort.

ThePrez on July 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM

…until we get the Senate…

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Or THEY`LL be no actual repeal…….. *sighs*

ThePrez on July 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM

This time for sure.

taternuggets on July 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Obama looks demonic in those pictures.

Drudge’s black and white new theme is ominous.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Reid sent it to the toilet, pronto, so as to not put the squishes on record, the same with the “taxes”.

Then Obama runs on “the Congress doesn’t get anything done and hates me, lives to get me unelected”.

Kindergartners are indignant.

The land is run by less than children.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM

If Harry Reid ate bath salts, stripped naked and tried to eat a passing tourist for lunch, he’d still remember to not allow this bill anywhere near the Senate floor. How this piece of political theatre works to emphasize GOP goals I cannot say but it does underline Reids intransigence at the idea of allowing votes on GOP ideas. I think that’s all it does.

MTF on July 11, 2012 at 4:58 PM

It’s not an old fight, we had inaccurate numbers from the CBO last time and it wasn’t a TAX so it’s a new fight.

Wagthatdog on July 11, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Just another chance for Boehner to act like he has any guts. Maybe leadership can now focus on the threats to our sovereignty like the LOST treaty and that effin UN small arms treaty.

search4truth on July 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Go Mia Love!!!

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM

33rd time’s a charm? This just helps the GOP in the upcoming election. ObamaTax is very unpopular with the American people and this puts all the politicians on the record.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM

no budget, no action on 30 jobs bills, and no action on something Americans want repealed.

The Senate is the only DO NOTHING side of this equation.

Wagthatdog on July 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM

“There are more voices now saying we’ve got to have something to replace the law with,” said one Republican House member, who asked not to be named so he could freely describe the thinking of GOP colleagues.

Obamacare is dead…long live Romneycare!!

sharrukin on July 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Drudge’s black and white new theme is ominous.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Glad someone else noticed.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

In moderate New Hampshire, Rep. Charlie Bass (R) indicated he wanted to find a way to allow young adults to stay on their parents’ health insurance plans and to prevent insurance companies from barring those with pre-existing conditions from purchasing coverage…

No. No, no, no, no, no. If we need anything, it’s a new way to pay for health care for the very sick. But that simply is not “insurance”, it’s health care for the very sick. Insurance is a bet. No one makes bets after the odds are known. Once you’re sick, you cannot get insurance against being sick.

We’ve got programs for the old and the poor, it might make sense to have a program for the very sick. But we need to deal with it directly, not disguise it as faux-”insurance”.

alwaysfiredup on July 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

At least it will put EVERYONE on the RECORD prior to election day.

GarandFan on July 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Again; the GOP are *not* going to repeal it when/if they have the power to actually do it.

But please, do feign surprise and outrage when that day arrives, m’kay?

Midas on July 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM

In the meanwhile Madam (as in whorehouse) Pelosi made 5 million in investments in Asia, in 2011.

Also, Wasserman-Schmutz, who lectures Romney, has a Swiss bank account and doesn’t show her taxes.

One can’t make the theater up, if one were blessed with a rich imagination.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM

These votes would be hilarious if there was still a sizable Blue Dog presence in the Democratic caucus, but Hussein ate ‘em all :)

burrata on July 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

If the optics of a barrage of repeal votes without an agreed-upon replacement plan is starting to give centrist Republicans cold feet, that’s bad news.

My concern for centrists “getting cold feet” would be in the Senate, not the House. Boehner will almost surely have 25+ votes to spare, and if he lets more than that break ranks, then he shouldn’t be Speaker anymore.

In the Senate, on the other hand, the GOP at best is looking at 53-54 seats. Senators are not as prone to being herded like cattle and I could easily see 5-6 of our squishier ones join with an equivalent number of red-state Democrats baying for some “grand compromise.”

LukeinNE on July 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Let us savor their discomfort, my frends…

Schadenfreude?

Buttercup on July 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM

burrata on July 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Haha, great one!

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Also, in the meanwhile, Romney showed cojones by showing up at the lions’ den, the NAACP, got a standing ovation at the end, but was booed on repeal of ObamaTax.

What does the media report “he got a bad reception”, while Obama, who’ll be whiter than his own mother by August, and more Christian than Jesus Christ, never showed up…is lauded as the Messiah.

Media, what you eat is Obama’s caca, not Beluga caviar.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Romney will win.

Just take the damn Senate.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on July 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM

It has only been twice Allah. The other 31 votes were procedural ones.

Conservative4Ever on July 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Drudge’s black and white new theme is ominous.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

It ‘s a theme now ? I thought he is celebrating NAACP !

burrata on July 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM

totherightofthem on July 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

they can get rid of it all. There’s legal precedent to the effect that one congress cannot limit the abilities of later congresses to legislate.

alwaysfiredup on July 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Just take the damn Senate.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on July 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Doing our best. Brunner for Missouri!

alwaysfiredup on July 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM

It ‘s a theme now ? I thought he is celebrating NAACP !

burrata on July 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM

It’s the Mafia thuggery he’s emphasizing. He’s celebrating their knockout, or the hope thereof.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Just got an E-mail from Nancy Pelosi announcing the repeal vote. Then she asked for money, of course.

I love being on the Democrats fundraising list. So amusing. Especially the ones from ‘Barack.’ I think those ones are designed to feel like they’re coming from a boyfriend. A needy little dictator boyfriend but a boyfriend nonetheless.

LetsBfrank on July 11, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Drudge’s black and white new theme is ominous.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Glad someone else noticed.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Yeah, it’s kind of spooky but effectively “newsy”. What’s black and white and read all over?

Drudge.

Is there a reason for the starkness? Is a new web designer a hipster?

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 5:07 PM

“There are more voices now saying we’ve got to have something to replace the law with,” said one Republican House member, who asked not to be named so he could freely describe the thinking of GOP colleagues. “And some substance to the replacement, because that’s what they’re hearing back home, because that’s what the other side hits us on. There are stronger calls for that within the conference.”

This is pure idiocy. This is what the democratics will hammer us with to stop the abortion of Obamacare. When a surgeon removes a ten-pound cancer from your gut, does he feel a need to replace it with something?

slickwillie2001 on July 11, 2012 at 5:07 PM

These votes would be hilarious if there was still a sizable Blue Dog presence in the Democratic caucus, but Hussein ate ‘em all :)

Heh. Love that. My Blue Dog rep was ‘eaten’ in November, 2010. Buh Bye. Woof.

LetsBfrank on July 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM

they can get rid of it all. There’s legal precedent to the effect that one congress cannot limit the abilities of later congresses to legislate.

alwaysfiredup on July 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Doesn’t meant the bureaucracy will automatically disappear. That’s the point of the article. Subsequent Congresses aside, the only way, once this is law, and it currently is, that this IPAB can be killed (there is a real way, but that involves de-funding, which I’m surprised no one has attempted as yet)is for the 2017 Congress to introduce a bill to that effect, only during Jan/Feb of that year and it must be voted on by August of that year. Each Congress is bound by the laws of the land and this one is no different. They can’t be held to resolutions, but once it’s in the CFR even its procedures must be adhered to. These guys had better get moving. ASAP, or this thing is set in cement.

totherightofthem on July 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I love being on the Democrats fundraising list. So amusing. Especially the ones from ‘Barack.’ I think those ones are designed to feel like they’re coming from a boyfriend. A needy little dictator boyfriend but a boyfriend nonetheless.

LetsBfrank on July 11, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Don’t you dis Julia’s Sugar Daddy. lol

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

health insurance is not pucking health care.

romenycare and obama-robertscare are not ‘ affordable’, ‘portable’ or ‘good’.

mittens on July 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

“There are more voices now saying we’ve got to have something to replace the law with,” said one Republican House member, who asked not to be named so he could freely describe the thinking of GOP colleagues.

Obamacare is dead…long live Romneycare!!

sharrukin on July 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Out: Repeal
In: “Tinkering”

In the Senate, on the other hand, the GOP at best is looking at 53-54 seats. Senators are not as prone to being herded like cattle and I could easily see 5-6 of our squishier ones join with an equivalent number of red-state Democrats baying for some “grand compromise.”

LukeinNE on July 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Yep, the Senate is where we’re going to have the problem even if we win the 2012 elections big. They will “tinker” with it some and then the usual party hacks and shills will tell us “This is the best we can do.”

Doomberg on July 11, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Is there a reason for the starkness? Is a new web designer a hipster?

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 5:07 PM

See my 5:05 post.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 5:11 PM

ObamaCare already costs nearly TRIPLE what we were told just 2 years ago.

Chuck Schick on July 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Yawn… The problem is that if they win then suddenly it will become a lot harder for them to repeal it, they’ll say, and if they try the vote will actually count so the result will be very different, and if they do repeal it they’ll probably only do it in part. Even if they do repeal Obamacare in its entirety they will probably just replace it with National-Romneycare which Republicans will cheer and then I’ll have to go over to a Democrat blog and help them fight off the big-gov Republican programs that the Democrats won’t like because the R-team is trying to take credit.

FloatingRock on July 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Drudge’s black and white new theme is ominous.
Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Glad someone else noticed.

the new aesthetic on July 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Yeah, it’s kind of spooky but effectively “newsy”. What’s black and white and read all over?

Drudge.

The Vladimir Lenin corpse perfectly complements the new look.

LetsBfrank on July 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM

BULLDOG TENACITY!!

What is going on with the “R” party? Mitt standing tall at in front of the NAACP hate and handout orgy.

Now the house is taking names in a repeal vote which can be used back home on any remaining blue dogs. It ain’t 2008, anymore — that is for sure.

Must be all those testosterone treatments they are selling to old guys.

IlikedAUH2O on July 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM

i really hate this senate….

cmsinaz on July 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM

They will “tinker” with it some and then the usual party hacks and shills will tell us “This is the best we can do.”

Doomberg on July 11, 2012 at 5:10 PM

They never had any intention of doing otherwise. The ‘repeal’ nonsense is just a dog and pony show for the base so they will keep forking over cash.

sharrukin on July 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM

The cat doesn’t bounce.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM

No. No, no, no, no, no. If we need anything, it’s a new way to pay for health care for the very sick. But that simply is not “insurance”, it’s health care for the very sick. Insurance is a bet. No one makes bets after the odds are known. Once you’re sick, you cannot get insurance against being sick.

We’ve got programs for the old and the poor, it might make sense to have a program for the very sick. But we need to deal with it directly, not disguise it as faux-”insurance”.

alwaysfiredup on July 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Yes! First, about 80% of those with pre-existing conditions that claim they can’t get insurance are telling lies. They can get insurance, they just find the price unacceptable. Many of them are in their predicament because they went uninsured when they were healthy, and then got sick.

Some of them that are seriously ill with cancers, heart disease, etc, are genuinely uninsurable.

Help for these folks can’t be called ‘insurance’, it has to be called a charity program.

slickwillie2001 on July 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Don’t you dis Julia’s Sugar Daddy. lol

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

What?! He has another ‘woman’?? I feel so … used. LOL.

LetsBfrank on July 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM

No kidding, the CDC just put out booklets, at your tax expense on…no kidding, again…wedding etiquette.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM

…until we get the Senate…

KOOLAID2 on July 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Unless Romney wins in November, taking the senate is not enough.

bayview on July 11, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Of course dim-O-rats in the Senate will not vote for it, and of course King Dim-O-Rat would veto it if it every reached his filthy desk, BUT, it still feels soooooooo good!

It is vital that Republicans continue to remind Americans that obama and his democrats own this disaster lock, stock and barrel, AND, when the time comes, Americans can and must hold Republicans to their promise to repeal it – IF (hint, hint) Republicans can take control of the White House and the Senate (and, of course, hold the House). This is more than political “theater” – this is a contract with the American people – the future of a FREE America hangs in the balance.

Pork-Chop on July 11, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Each Congress is bound by the laws of the land and this one is no different. They can’t be held to resolutions, but once it’s in the CFR even its procedures must be adhered to. These guys had better get moving. ASAP, or this thing is set in cement.

totherightofthem on July 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

That’s not true, which is my point. One Congress (the one that created IPAB) cannot, through enacting ordinary legislation, prevent subsequent congresses from changing that legislation whenever they please. It applies to everything, resolutions, legislation, the whole shebang. The only thing that is binding is the Constitution, and that is because it is ratified by the states.

alwaysfiredup on July 11, 2012 at 5:22 PM

They never had any intention of doing otherwise. The ‘repeal’ nonsense is just a dog and pony show for the base so they will keep forking over cash.

sharrukin on July 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM

… and to give the “if you don’t vote for them, you’re voting for Obama!” drones something to keep bleating.

But yeah, let’s vote GOP again cause they’ll do what they’re supposed to *this* time, for sure.

And when that fails, let’s vote GOP again cause they’ll do what they’re supposed to *that* time, for sure.

And when that fails, let’s vote GOP again cause…

Well, somewhere in there, everything’s going to grind to a halt, my friends. We used to be able to afford that level of stupidity, but with the spending/debt we’re incurring now… clock’s running out.

Midas on July 11, 2012 at 5:23 PM

ObamaCare already costs nearly TRIPLE what we were told just 2 years ago.

Chuck Schick on July 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/files/images/-2.img_assist_custom-640×469.png

davidk on July 11, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Don’t you dis Julia’s Sugar Daddy. lol

Fallon on July 11, 2012 at 5:09 PM

You mean Julia’s Splenda Daddy ?
Or Equal Daddy ?
Maybe Julia’s Sweet n’Low Daddy …

burrata on July 11, 2012 at 5:27 PM

The US Senate is the house of “No”…

d1carter on July 11, 2012 at 5:28 PM

That’s not true, which is my point. One Congress (the one that created IPAB) cannot, through enacting ordinary legislation, prevent subsequent congresses from changing that legislation whenever they please. It applies to everything, resolutions, legislation, the whole shebang. The only thing that is binding is the Constitution, and that is because it is ratified by the states.

alwaysfiredup on July 11, 2012 at 5:22 PM

That will come up when we move to get rid of the CPB as well, which is funded from the Fed. That’s nuts.

slickwillie2001 on July 11, 2012 at 5:29 PM

If the optics of a barrage of repeal votes without an agreed-upon replacement plan is starting to give centrist Republicans cold feet, that’s bad news.

Nonsense, ‘primum non nocere’. Repealing a harmful law and replacing it with the previous status quo is a perfectly good replacement plan, at least, for starters.

Knott Buyinit on July 11, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Drudge’s black and white new theme is ominous.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

..cannot wait for him to go to the WSJ Currier & Ives woodcut motif.

The War Planner on July 11, 2012 at 5:32 PM

… and to give the “if you don’t vote for them, you’re voting for Obama!” drones something to keep bleating.

But yeah, let’s vote GOP again cause they’ll do what they’re supposed to *this* time, for sure.

And when that fails, let’s vote GOP again cause they’ll do what they’re supposed to *that* time, for sure.

And when that fails, let’s vote GOP again cause…

The definition of insanity. The GOP leadership has demonstrated that they have no intention of taking any action. They will prance about and show their muscles when it means nothing, but run for cover if ever asked to stand and deliver.

Well, somewhere in there, everything’s going to grind to a halt, my friends. We used to be able to afford that level of stupidity, but with the spending/debt we’re incurring now… clock’s running out.

Midas on July 11, 2012 at 5:23 PM

It will slowly drift towards European style malaise and the rubes will still be saying that the socialist candidate is better than the communist candidate.

sharrukin on July 11, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Yes, it’s symbolic. But symbols do matter. I think it was important to do. We’ll get to do it again in January when the new Congress convenes. Let’s all hope Harry Reid is no longer Majority Leader by that time.

dczombie on July 11, 2012 at 5:39 PM

I do hope,that Repealing Hopey/Changey occurs only once.

His first and only term!!
(sarc)

canopfor on July 11, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Drudge’s black and white new theme is ominous.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

I really like the look.

Bmore on July 11, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Obama looks demonic in those pictures.

Drudge’s black and white new theme is ominous.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Schadenfreude:)

********************* 1984 ****************************!

canopfor on July 11, 2012 at 5:56 PM

H R 6079 RECORDED VOTE 11-Jul-2012 3:53 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: To repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and health care-related provisions in the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act 2010

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll460.xml

canopfor on July 11, 2012 at 5:58 PM

@markknoller tweeted:

markknoller
Senate Minority Leader McConnell hails House vote on repeal of ObamaCare calling it “single worst piece of legislation…in modern times.”

Submitted 33 mins ago from twitter.com by editor

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/223157192902189056

canopfor on July 11, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Gives GOP ad-writers some work, good for 1 week of employment.

hillsoftx on July 11, 2012 at 6:00 PM

That’s not true, which is my point. One Congress (the one that created IPAB) cannot, through enacting ordinary legislation, prevent subsequent congresses from changing that legislation whenever they please. It applies to everything, resolutions, legislation, the whole shebang. The only thing that is binding is the Constitution, and that is because it is ratified by the states.

alwaysfiredup on July 11, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I counted on that, once. I no longer trust Congress, sad to say. I think it’s the procedural problem inherent in this act that is causing the concern/panic. The best way to nip this monster is to de-fund, de-fund, de-fund. Like, now.

totherightofthem on July 11, 2012 at 6:02 PM

From the article:

As the law now stands, IPAB can’t be dissolved before 2017, and then only by a three-fifths vote of both Houses of Congress. Oh, and the legislative stake through the heart can only be introduced between January 3 and February 1 of that year, and must be passed by August 15. Did I say handcuffs earlier? I meant straight jacket.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/06/ipab-the-part-of-obamacare-that-cant-be-repealed/#ixzz20M2d1Am9

totherightofthem on July 11, 2012 at 6:11 PM

In re: binding future Congresses and also from the article:

Whether the terms of an existing law can bind subsequent Congresses remains an open constitutional question. But getting the matter finally decided by the courts would take years. Besides, we can no longer trust judges and justices to do the right constitutional thing even when they know what it is

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/06/ipab-the-part-of-obamacare-that-cant-be-repealed/#ixzz20M2tc39y

totherightofthem on July 11, 2012 at 6:11 PM

AP, according to your colleague, today’s vote was only the second vote on total repeal. The other 31 “includes all sorts of bills that were only tangentially about ObamaCare repeal, or tweaked small parts of the bill…”. So, I think your post headline is a bit deceiving and plays into the Democrat meme that those nutty Republicans are “tilting at windmills”.

KS Rex on July 11, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Prior to the final vote, the House rejected a Democratic motion that would have required any legislator supporting the repeal measure to give up government-provided health care.

How you know they’re full of sh*t.

Boomer_Sooner on July 11, 2012 at 6:56 PM

How much can you fairly extrapolate from that about the commitment of centrist Republicans to repeal if the GOP retakes the White House and Congress and suddenly their votes mean something?

They certainly won’t last long if they drop the ball when the goal is in sight.

Ukiah on July 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I agree with Pat Caddell. We should just put up a repeal of the mandate. The public really does not like that part of the bill and the whole thing would collapse without it.

KW64 on July 11, 2012 at 9:09 PM

These votes would be hilarious if there was still a sizable Blue Dog presence in the Democratic caucus, but the big red wave of 2010 washed most of them away

And you are not the only one happy to see those infiltrators lose their seats.

Uppereastside on July 11, 2012 at 9:45 PM

I agree with Pat Caddell.

KW64 on July 11, 2012 at 9:09 PM

I am shocked! Shocked i tell ya

Uppereastside on July 11, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Everybody DOES have full ACCESS to health care. There is no artificial bar placed on their access to health care.

The only practical bar is that they have to pay for what they get rather than steal it. That’s just like I have a right to free speech, to say whatever I want however I want, as long as I pay for my own soapbox. This is not my soapbox. So if I step out of line my privilege of posting here can be curtailed. That is not the same as it would be at a system I fully paid for including the internet connection, HTTP server, power, and all that.

{^_^}

herself on July 12, 2012 at 5:42 AM