Romney campaign ready to hit back against Bain attacks by calling Obama a liar

posted at 4:50 pm on July 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

I hope it works, but c’mon. If there’s a swing voter out there who doesn’t know The One’s a liar by now, he/she’s probably unpersuadable.

In a conference call Monday morning, senior staff said Romney’s surrogates would stop shying away from the word “lie” in responding to Democrats’ attacks on his business record, and plan to go on TV to call Obama a “liar,” the source said.

“They are very fed up with these attacks,” said the source…

“The feeling was that nobody is watching this right now,” said the source. “They had a time frame to respond to the Bain attacks… But today the counterattack with the surrogates is going to begin.”

Gallup’s new swing-state poll finds Obama up by two points, thanks in part to his ad blitz. Among those who say that a campaign commercial has changed their mind about a candidate, 76 percent say they support The One versus just 16 percent who say they support Romney. (Nine percent of independents say their minds have been changed by an ad.) That’s higher than I would have guessed, frankly; this National Journal piece from a few days ago argues compellingly that ad buys are overrated in presidential campaigns, notwithstanding the apparent effect that Obama’s Bain-bashing is having. There’s too much information about the candidates already out there. To move the needle, you need to find something negative about the other guy that voters have somehow missed and hammer it into their heads. That’s easier for Team Hopenchange than for Team Mitt, obviously, because Romney’s still an unknown quantity to some voters.

That said, I think Mark Halperin’s right that if the Dems are trying to make this Romney’s “swift boat,” they’ll have a tougher time than the GOP did eight years ago. Slightly tougher:

The Swift Boat line of attack went along the info-news conveyor belt from some limited paid media and a book, to right-leaning earned media, to cable news, to the broadcast networks and major print publications. So far, that hasn’t happened with the Obama attack. New media allows the Democrats on their own to spread the message through literally hundreds of platforms, but that doesn’t mean it will take over big-time earned media and dominate the campaign discourse, the way Swift Boats did.

The Swift Boat story was infused with a lot of emotion, for the accusers, for Kerry, and for many of the senior media decision makers of the time who had Vietnam-era ties. Emotion drives a lot in politics. At this point, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of genuine emotion involved in any part of the Romney story. (Except for Ben LaBolt’s obvious outrage.)

The Swift Boat story discombobulated Kerry for all sorts of reasons. After stumbling on these issues during the Republican nomination fight, Romney lately seems unfazed by new attacks on how he made and consolidated his wealth.

What are the odds that the outsourcing attacks will “take over big-time earned media and dominate the campaign discourse” if Obama falls a few points behind and looks to be in real jeopardy of losing in September? And as for Romney being unfazed, that’s true — but should he be? His campaign seems to have calculated that it’s still too early to worry about these attacks and that he’s doing just fine in the polls thus far. Watch Bill Kristol below on “Fox News Sunday,” though: The question isn’t whether Romney’s within a few points, it’s why he isn’t leading outright as the Obama economy circles the drain in a tightening, accelerating spiral. Team Mitt seems to be banking on 1980 redux, when an avalanche of swing voters finally gave up on Carter and embraced Reagan after the debates. Is there any strong reason to believe that’ll happen again? With Reagan, the concern was that he was too “radical” and maybe too old to be trusted with the presidency. Once voters felt reassured about his competence and vision, they broke. No one’s worried about those things with Romney, though, despite the Democrats’ dumb insistence that he’s the wingnuttiest nominee since Barry Goldwater. Everyone, including his opponents, accepts that he’s sharp, sober, and cautious. He’s presidential material. So what’s going to change after the debates this time?


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And the more details the average guy hears about such practices, the more they will realize that Mitt Romney’s view of the world bears no resemblance to that of the average voter.

Drew Lowell on July 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Neither does O’bama’s. Your point?

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Romney needs to drink some of the Santorum primary syrup and unload on the narcissistic, serial liar. Come on Mitt, we got your back, full throttle time!

hillsoftx on July 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Unload how, exactly? On each and every issue he can “unload”, Hussein can easily say the same about Romney.

Look at Romney’s record in MA, and PLEASE do not repeat same crap about “liberal MA, blah, blah, blah…”:

Much higher new taxes, higher even than liberal NY.
RomneyCare (don’t really give crap if people wanted it or not, he STILL SAYS HE IS PROUD OF IT)
Very pro-abortion stance to the tune of telling underage girls they should seek court approval for abortion when their parents say No.
Anti-gun laws.
Jobs wise, pretty middling by other states’ standards even in the up-and-up economy.

Save for ability to write EOs at will, not that much different from Hussein’s record, no?

Romney’s camp is in a bind, they can’t really attack Hussein without being exposed for exactly same governance and policies. Hussein’s people knew this, main reason they wanted Romney all along and manipulated a number of GOP primaries to reach their goal. GOP hacks/RINOs didn’t help us, either, by never talking about all the “liabilities” Romney candidacy will bring.

Romney’s only way out is to come clean and openly declare that his policies in MA were nothing but liberal and ERRONEOUS, he realizes now how bad they were and only because one can create a law does not mean that one should.

But we all know that chances of Romney coming clean are what, None and Never?

So, yes, his camp is tied up with almost nothing left to them for attacking Hussein, a situation that was foreseen by anyone but GOP hacks/RINOs who pushed him all along. No wonder Rove and Coulter are nowhere to be found these days, too bad that so many went along with this losing scheme and its too late now to make a correction. Or rather, GOP won’t do the right thing and throw a huge monkey wrench into Hussein’s plans.

Will people vote for Romney, albeit reluctantly? I think so. Will enough of them vote for him, so called independents who are mostly not convinced that Romney will change much once in office? Who knows.

But please lay off on “unload” remarks, Romney only has his own well documented record to blame for inability to attack Hussein, same way he and his camp waffled the “Tax/Penalty” issue, tough to call it penalty when one called it nothing but tax all along.

He needs to come clean. And not only say he has changed, but come out with a clear, well thought out plan of what and how he will change, not the stupid “I will create jobs” canned BS Hussein has been repeating as well. As well as tell Boehner and McConnell to get tough as well. Or face the reality of losing.

riddick on July 9, 2012 at 5:55 PM

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Sorry, but the damian1966 Unit was much smarter.

F-

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Mitt’s got a long list of negatives.

Likeability
– the most “likable” candidate has won every post WWII presidential election except one. Mitt’s a stiff, trust fund, Swiss bank zillionaire who does not relate to the “common man”. He’s the anti-Bush or the poor man’s John Kerry. “Do we really want a President who has Swiss Bank Accounts?”

Mormonism – This will become an issue closer to the election. I predict a Karl Rove-style robo-calling attack. “Do you know Mitt wears Magic Underwear?” “Do you know that Mormons originally believe that Black skin is a curse from God and that marrying multiple 14 year old wives is OK?” “Do you want a President that will enact the Mormon Apocalypse?”

General Weirdness – His favorite book – “Battlefield Earth” by cultist L Ron Hubbard. His favorite movie “Keystone Cops”. He;s a fan of “sport”. Dog on the roof weirdness. Obama had plenty of weirdness, but he only had to run against 8 years of W which is as easy as it gets.

Mitt should be leading Obama. He is smart, not an extremist, and looks the part. He may be a wishy-washy flip-flopper on issues, but he looks like a competent manager. I would trust him as a neighbor and gladly give him my money to invest. The people who have worked around him like him which says a lot. However, this election may be “The devil you know vs. the devil you don’t” election.

ZippyZ on July 9, 2012 at 5:56 PM

You seem to have no idea that a lot of Americans are just not that into politics, especially 4 months before an election.

VorDaj on July 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Tell me about it. Last week I initiated a conversation with an acquaintance about the upcoming election. I got this perplexed look followed by the question “When is it?”

lynncgb on July 9, 2012 at 5:57 PM

..from any of the brothers?

The War Planner on July 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

ah…that would be no, but no push back yet either

Has anybody been able to get an Obamabot to defend him? The ones I know will not do it.

DanMan on July 9, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2012 at 5:56 PM

heh

cmsinaz on July 9, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Before we go full Eyore like Kristol, Allahpundit, and Ed, let’s remember: this USA Today poll is pure garbage. No partisan breakdown, and it’s registered voters only. With how many sampled from each state? Please. In addition, the same poll showed Obama up a lot more several weeks ago.

So excuse me if I’m not depressed. It’s July, not October.

DRayRaven on July 9, 2012 at 5:57 PM

hi friend…you doing better?…(keeping you in my thoughts daily!)

KOOLAID2 on July 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Hey, KA2~

I’m doing better. Had a chance to speak to the boy briefly on Saturday. He’s a little uncomfortable but wants to see if it will work with his mom. I told him that I’m always here and if he wants to come home I will come and get him. My boy is also coming to grips with it but he’s resilient. Putting him to work to keep him busy.

Thanks for thinking of me, I do appreciate it very much.

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 5:59 PM

And the more details the average guy hears about such practices, the more they will realize that Mitt Romney’s view of the world bears no resemblance to that of the average voter.

Drew Lowell on July 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Neither does O’bama’s. Your point?

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Rush covered this extensively today. IMHO it’s going to be the takers vs. the makers and deep down, even though some of these kids are pretty young I think in their gut they know this is not right.

Welfare rats will always be amongst us. But I still believe in the American Spirit of Independence. Not Obamadependence.

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Do black voters not understand English? They are hearing the same campaign ads that white voters do. The problem is the dependency of the black community on government payouts, a stew of victimology, and a corrupt leadership. What exactly can conservatives do to change that in the short term?

sharrukin on July 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM

You and I see how victimhood harms and the corosive impacts of handouts. This needs to be explained over and over and over.

Show conservative alternatives; Alan West, Colin Powell and Condy Rice, etc., who didn’t follow that path, developed skills, and are now esteemed by all.

Deafdog on July 9, 2012 at 6:02 PM

It is a big bonus to see the like of you crawl back to the fringe.

bayview on July 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Oh, oh, and the Jerk Store called, any they’re running out of you!

Seriously, grow up. And thanks for proving my original point.

Norwegian on July 9, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I understand your good points. Nevertheless, the amount of taxes paid by companies in which Bain invested compared to the losses of taxpayer money from Obama’s “green” investments would be a good selling point.
Part of the Bain defense has to be that some companies still failed, but that many succeeded. That, too, is a stark contrast with the failure rate of Obama’s “investments” of our money.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I understand, But then, we’re talking not about HA posters who seem to be more or less informed on the details, but typical liberal morons and “independents” who see these ads. All Hussein has to do is people looking into camera and telling their story of losing their hard earned pension due to Bain raid.

Romney camp IS in a bind since they cannot win the ad war.

Look at the simple “Tax/Penalty” circus where Romney could not explain away his factual record on the subject. Do you really expect any other subject to play out any differently?

No one wants Hussein out of the office, and ASAP, like I do, but I also don’t see how Romney camp is going to run on Romney’s record, either.

riddick on July 9, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Sarah Palin was asked “where she gets her news?”

The same question should be asked of pResident Obama.

Obviously he doesn’t read the local rag, the Washington Post, or America’s paper of record, the New York Times.

KenInIL on July 9, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Politics 101: Never let an attack go unanswered

I mean seriously Team Romney, wake up. They were more than willing to counter punch Obama on smaller issues not too long ago, but these attacks are meant to assassinate Romney’s character and they shy away from responding? Logic fail.

Daemonocracy on July 9, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Hmmm did anyone see this:

Obama’s misleading tweet on Romney’s taxes
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-misleading-tweet-on-romneys-taxes/2012/07/06/gJQAN3DTSW_blog.html

“FACT: In 2010 and 2011, Romney paid less than 15% in taxes on $42.5 million in income—much less than what many middle-class families pay.”

— Tweet by @BarackObama, July 3, 2012

Romney released his 2010 tax return and an estimate of his 2011 return earlier this year. He earned a little more than $20 million each year, a good chunk of it in capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a preferential rate as low as 15 percent.

But that’s not the only reason why Romney’s tax rate is at that level. He also donates about 14 percent of his income to charity, which gives him a pretty big tax deduction. (As we have noted, President Obama in 2010 also gave about 14 percent of his income to charity.)

Chip on July 9, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Politics 101: Never let an attack go unanswered

I mean seriously Team Romney, wake up. They were more than willing to counter punch Obama on smaller issues not too long ago, but these attacks are meant to assassinate Romney’s character and they shy away from responding? Logic fail.

Daemonocracy on July 9, 2012 at 6:09 PM

+1

Norwegian on July 9, 2012 at 6:12 PM

He IS incorrect.

Obama is holding his own right now because GOP voters elected to put the same players on the pitcher’s mound who sank the economy last time.

You got a flip-flopping liar at the top of the ticket with Willy McDole and – YOU may be deluding yourself that he’s some kind of “second coming” but everyone else out here recognizes the guy is an empty suit.

Rush’s answer was … “The whole world is WRONG but ME!!”

That’s not a sane answer – when the rest of the world is telling you that YOU are wrong, ya may want to look in the mirror and take a really really long look at yourself.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Why are you here? You know full well that most of the people here did not have Romney in their top 10 of choices and are trying to make the best out of a bad deal.

What would you suggest we do that is both practical and do-able? Do you have anything useful to offer other than sitting around shaking your fist at the sky? Surprise me.

kim roy on July 9, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Dark Star on July 9, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Obviously you do not know how to read. There is conflicting reports about if Romney did anything to stop it, since it was reported by the company that bought Damon corp from Bain.

Also, FYI, I know first hand about the issues at Damon Corp, I used to work there, and it was run into the ground by Bain.

Learn to read.

Romney was never implicated in the case. His role became an issue later, in 2002, when he ran for governor. Romney claimed that he helped uncover the fraud, but Globe reporting put that claim into question. The Globe reported that court records showed fraudulent activity occurred under Bain’s watch, and that prosecutors gave the credit to Corning for stopping the fraud. Aides later said Romney’s remarks that he helped uncover the fraud were misunderstood. We asked the campaign for comment, but we didn’t hear back.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Why are you here? You know full well that most of the people here did not have Romney in their top 10 of choices and are trying to make the best out of a bad deal.

What would you suggest we do that is both practical and do-able? Do you have anything useful to offer other than sitting around shaking your fist at the sky? Surprise me.

kim roy on July 9, 2012 at 6:14 PM

He and his ilk want you to stay home or, better yet, vote for Obama…you know, to teach the GOP a lesson or whatever.

changer1701 on July 9, 2012 at 6:18 PM

The only problem with that is that Democrats don’t think that lying is any particular kind of sin or wrong doing. So, you know, who cares?

JimK on July 9, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Also, FYI, I know first hand about the issues at Damon Corp, I used to work there, and it was run into the ground by Bain.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I own 2 companies. With a little less than 100 employees. Why?

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Is there anything you haven’t done?

Didn’t they teach you in troll school that exaggerated claims about what you have done tends to damage your credibility? What kind of trolls are they producing these days?

sharrukin on July 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I see you’re still ignorant and still a liar.

HumpBot Salvation on July 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Why are you here?

Because it’s all about them, they don’t care about the direction of the country or even advancing conservatism. It’s about them, pathetic internet losers attempting to draw some attention to themselves.

lowandslow on July 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Obama + Big Pharma, circa 2009-2012

Eat it and weep.

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

What will change after the debates? If Romney decides to go after Obama like he did Newt and Gingrich, then Mr. Kool will have a meltdown. If Mitt can get Obama off his talking points and on the defensive in the debates then Obama’s meltdown is all but certain.

conservative pilgrim on July 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

With all due respect to the worriers, ‘We’re just getting started”!

We are not here to impress the so called “press” and we don’t care what the left will or won’t do.

I am personally, very grateful, for the opportunity given to us by the wisdom and superior intellect of the Founding Fathers. I will be fighting for the cause of Freedom in my country because I believe that Freedom is not now, never was and never will be free. Just as it has cost us the lives of millions of great men and women throughout our history, Freedom will continue to cost us dearly and I for one will be glad to lay down my life for my fellow American Patriots with the call of John Paul Jones’, “Give me liberty or give me death”.

I will not be layed low, I will not be distracted. I will not be mislead into any sort of desperation nor depression. I will fight for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness!

God Bless America!

paratisi on July 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Oops. ^like Newt and Santorum.

conservative pilgrim on July 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM

sharrukin on July 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

I did work for them, so blow it out your you know what.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM

“You lie” was the truest thing ever told about Obama.

Schadenfreude on July 9, 2012 at 6:24 PM

just saw one of obama’s negative ads…time to go for the jugular Mitt…

NOW

cmsinaz on July 9, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Call Obama what he is, a Pinocchio and a Muenchhausen.

Schadenfreude on July 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Chip on July 9, 2012 at 6:09 PM

I sent it to Tips

:)

cmsinaz on July 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM

gryphon202 on July 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Working your pathetic magic 24/7 I see.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Damian you’re full of BS.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

HumpBot Salvation on July 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Yes call me a liar when I post facts.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

The question isn’t whether Romney’s within a few points, it’s why he isn’t leading outright as the Obama economy circles the drain in a tightening, accelerating spiral.

Simple: Because people are lying to pollsters. Honestly, I do not know a single person except the most rabid Barack supporter who would tell someone over the phone what they think about Barack. The guy is Nixon on steroids, and everyone knows that now. Everyone. No one wants to be audited by the IRS for a wrong answer, or have their door “accidentally” kicked in by Big Sis, or have some other jack-booted misery brought upon them by an administration that is using every federal agency it can to destroy anyone who isn’t supporting Barack. They’re going after Romney donors, they’re going after anyone who doesn’t toe the line. People are lying to the pollsters or hanging up. These polls are entirely unreliable — and election day is going to be entirely “unexpected.”

Rational Thought on July 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

CW on July 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

How so?

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:28 PM

“You lie” was the truest thing ever told about Obama.

Schadenfreude on July 9, 2012 at 6:24 PM

We have ballcaps from a 2010 Tea Party Rally… big hit!

P.S. Why do you call “O” Muenchausen? Is that related to self inflicted wounding or what? ?

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 6:29 PM

I don’t understand why Romney hasn’t hit back sooner given that he beat Team O in the fundraising race last month by $35 mil.

Lawdawg86 on July 9, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Also, FYI, I know first hand about the issues at Damon Corp, I used to work there, and it was run into the ground by Bain.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

So you worked there and were part of the reason it run a ground, and you’re bragging about it and blaming Romney. Funny!

Bmore on July 9, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Also, FYI, I know first hand about the issues at Damon Corp, I used to work there, and it was run into the ground by Bain.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

“The ad claims that, “While Romney was a director of the Damon Corporation, the company was defrauding Medicare of millions.” That’s true, but Romney was never implicated personally with the fraudulent activity at the company, and it was one of many companies with which Bain was involved. It’s also difficult to assess whether Romney knew about the fraud or should have known, and what he did to stop it.”

Why, werren’t you the idiot on another thread complaining about leaving out context or the full statemet? Why yes, yes you were.

Looks like you have almost as much trouble reading as you do telling the truth.

HumpBot Salvation on July 9, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Rational Thought on July 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Interesting. You may be onto something. I know most reference the Bradley effect when discussing why people may not tell the truth to pollsters, but the “Big Brother is listening” factor could also very well be in play for the reasons you listed.

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 6:31 PM

HumpBot Salvation on July 9, 2012 at 6:30 PM

You are the one leaving it out:

Romney stated explicitly that he had never done any business with the government (another lie). Just as the Feds were completing the investigation on Damon Capital, Mitt Romney sold Damon Capital to Corning (questionable timing!). Initially Romney claimed to have no knowledge of the medicare fraud which happened under his watch. Then he changed his tune that he reported the fraud to the authorities (so which is which Mitt?).

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:33 PM

People are lying to the pollsters or hanging up. These polls are entirely unreliable — and election day is going to be entirely “unexpected.”

Rational Thought on July 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Truth!

Sometimes I tell them I’m a hard core Dem that is disillusioned with Bo. Other times I tell them I’m an independent who voted for McCain but am now fully in O’s court. Then there are times that I answer the phone like a strung out druggie and ask if Obama is going to send me a new stash of heroin. Caller I.D.

/Polls.

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 6:33 PM

More Rove PAC and Sunnunu follies. Mitt needs to ditch these establishment aholes.

Mr. Arrogant on July 9, 2012 at 6:33 PM

How so?

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:28 PM

You lie about your background.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 6:37 PM

I wish I had more confidence in Romney being able to pull this off. I really do. I don’t know if I can take four more years of this a$$clown running the country. We have GOT to take the power away from him, it’s not an option. So yea, if he’s lying, call him a liar. Why aren’t they bringing up the failed solar companies? What about GM, aren’t they making a billion dollar plant in CHINA? Mr. President likes to brag all the time about saving and creating jobs, how many jobs are going to CHINA?

scalleywag on July 9, 2012 at 6:38 PM

He and his ilk want you to stay home or, better yet, vote for Obama…you know, to teach the GOP a lesson or whatever.

changer1701 on July 9, 2012 at 6:18 PM

My mother had a phrase for that: Cut off your nose to spite your face.

The funny and sad thing is the people he’s railing against will adapt and just find new faces at the trough. They’ll always be fine. We won’t. It will take a couple of elections to really get rid of the rot.

kim roy on July 9, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Also, FYI, I know first hand about the issues at Damon Corp, I used to work there, and it was run into the ground by Bain.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I own 2 companies. With a little less than 100 employees. Why?

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Is there anything you haven’t done?

Didn’t they teach you in troll school that exaggerated claims about what you have done tends to damage your credibility? What kind of trolls are they producing these days?

sharrukin on July 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM

This.

You can be anything you wants on the internets.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

CW on July 9, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Really?

Look at some information, I grew up in Westwood, MA – Just happens to be a few miles from Needham, MA.

No lies in my background.

And FYI, westwood is a very wealthy town.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

I still believe Romney will win by 5-7% and this article also confirms my thinking:

A Las Vegas “odds maker” opines on why Obama will get “killed” by Romney in November.

Wayne Allyn Root – 2008 Libertarian Vice presidential Candidate

May 30, 2012

Town Hall Alerts

Most political predictions are made by biased pollsters, pundits, or prognosticators who are either rooting for Republicans or Democrats. I am neither. I am a former Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee, and a well-known Vegas oddsmaker with one of the most accurate records of predicting political races.

But as an oddsmaker with a pretty remarkable track record of picking political races, I play no favorites. I simply use common sense to call them as I see them. Back in late December I released my New Years Predictions. I predicted back then- before a single GOP primary had been held, with Romney trailing for months to almost every GOP competitor from Rick Perry to Herman Cain to Newt- that Romney would easily rout his competition to win the GOP nomination by a landslide. I also predicted that the Presidential race between Obama and Romney would be very close until election day. But that on election day Romney would win by a landslide similar to Reagan-Carter in 1980.

Understanding history, today I am even more convinced of a resounding Romney victory. 32 years ago at this moment in time, Reagan was losing by 9 points to Carter. Romney is right now running even in polls. So why do most pollsters give Obama the edge?

First, most pollsters are missing one ingredient- common sense. Here is my gut instinct. Not one American who voted for McCain 4 years ago will switch to Obama. Not one in all the land. But many millions of people who voted for an unknown Obama 4 years ago are angry, disillusioned, turned off, or scared about the future. Voters know Obama now- and that is a bad harbinger.

Now to an analysis of the voting blocks that matter in U.S. politics:
*Black voters. Obama has nowhere to go but down among this group. His endorsement of gay marriage has alienated many black church-going Christians. He may get 88% of their vote instead of the 96% he got in 2008. This is not good news for Obama.

*Hispanic voters. Obama has nowhere to go but down among this group. If Romney picks Rubio as his VP running-mate the GOP may pick up an extra 10% to 15% of Hispanic voters (plus lock down Florida ). This is not good news for Obama.

*Jewish voters. Obama has been weak in his support of Israel . Many Jewish voters and big donors are angry and disappointed. I predict Obama’s Jewish support drops from 78% in 2008 to the low 60′s. This is not good news for Obama.

*Youth voters. Obama’s biggest and most enthusiastic believers from 4 years ago have graduated into a job market from hell. Young people are disillusioned, frightened, and broke- a bad combination. The enthusiasm is long gone. Turnout will be much lower among young voters, as will actual voting percentages. This not good news for Obama.

*Catholic voters. Obama won a majority of Catholics in 2008. That won’t happen again. Out of desperation to please women, Obama went to war with the Catholic Church over contraception. Now he is being sued by the Catholic Church. Majority lost. This is not good news for Obama.

*Small Business owners.Because I ran for Vice President last time around, and I’m a small businessman myself, I know literally thousands of small business owners. At least 40% of them in my circle of friends, fans and supporters voted for Obama 4 years ago to “give someone different a chance.” I warned them that he would pursue a war on capitalism and demonize anyone who owned a business…that he’d support unions over the private sector in a big way…that he’d overwhelm the economy with spending and debt. My friends didn’t listen. Four years later, I can’t find one person in my circle of small business owner friends voting for Obama. Not one. This is not good news for Obama.

*Blue collar working class whites. Do I need to say a thing? White working class voters are about as happy with Obama as Boston Red Sox fans feel about the New York Yankees. This is not good news for Obama.

*Suburban moms. The issue isn’t contraception…it’s having a job to pay for contraception. Obama’s economy frightens these moms. They are worried about putting food on the table. They fear for their children’s future. This is not good news for Obama.

*Military Veterans. McCain won this group by 10 points. Romney is winning by 24 points. The more our military vets got to see of Obama, the more they disliked him. This is not good news for Obama.

Add it up. Is there one major group where Obama has gained since 2008? Will anyone in America wake up on election day saying “I didn’t vote for Obama 4 years ago. But he’s done such a fantastic job, I can’t wait to vote for him today.” Does anyone feel that a vote for Obama makes their job more secure?

Forget the polls. My gut instincts as a Vegas oddsmaker and common sense small businessman tell me this will be a historic landslide and a world-class repudiation of Obama’s radical and risky socialist agenda. It’s Reagan-Carter all over again.

But I’ll give Obama credit for one thing – he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.

g2825m on July 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:33 PM

I see moving the goalposts now are we?

You claimed that Romney knowingly and willingly defrauded the gov’t.

Bottom Line: Romney was never implicated personally with the fraudulent activity at the company..

That means he was neither IMPLICATED nor CHARGED with any wrongdoing.

You’re a fool and a liar…scooter. Go back to FarmVille.

Sounds like Damons problems were caused by incompetent and lying employees such as you.

HumpBot Salvation on July 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM

“The question isn’t whether Romney’s within a few points, it’s why he isn’t leading outright as the Obama economy circles the drain in a tightening, accelerating spiral.” Wrong, Reagan in 1980 [when the country was much worst shape then today] do not take a big lead until just the week before the election.

Rook on July 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Romney campaign ready to hit back against Bain attacks by calling Obama a liar

I hope they assign Sununu to MSNBC. He’s a bully and will hit back hard. Too, they deserve each other.

kakypat on July 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

12 months ago calling Obama a “Liar” was super-duper inflammatory and was rhetoric only used by mouth breathing, low life tea partiers.

My, My, how the standards of the mighty Establishment have fallen.

portlandon on July 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I was thinking about this same thing today. Early in Barack’s presidency, any criticism of him — any at all — was quickly shut down as “racist” and “over the top.” But the gloves have come off. The guy is a total failure, and no one anymore is saying “He’s the president. You shouldn’t be saying those things.” Two years ago that Utah 4th of July parade story would have been huge — Barack would have been commenting on its “racism.”. Today it’s, meh, he deserves it.

Rational Thought on July 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Rational Thought on July 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM

I was called last week by a pollster and I could not bring myself to answer any questions about this president or his administration. I am as outspoken as anyone on this forum.

esr1951 on July 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM

McCain would have KILLED to be in the position Romney has right now.

rob verdi on July 9, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Romney needs to do something to pump up his fair-weather base. And since Romney is a known failure, personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Learn to read.

Romney was never implicated in the case. His role became an issue later, in 2002, when he ran for governor. Romney claimed that he helped uncover the fraud, but Globe reporting put that claim into question. The Globe reported that court records showed fraudulent activity occurred under Bain’s watch, and that prosecutors gave the credit to Corning for stopping the fraud. Aides later said Romney’s remarks that he helped uncover the fraud were misunderstood. We asked the campaign for comment, but we didn’t hear back.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I assume that the “Globe” you’re citing here is the NY Times-owned Boston Globe? They’re not necessarily interested in the “truth”, as evidenced by their covering up Jeanne-Claude Kerri’s military records in 2004.

But in any case, what you cite above shows the Globe admitting that they have nothing on Romney as far as Damon is concerned.

So what was it like working for Damon? I assume you were in the shipping department for their Estes Model Rockets subsidiary? Old Vern Estes would approve!

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

g2825m on July 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM

If anyone is feeling down about our chances, they need to read what you posted. It’s hard to argue with that bookmaker’s analysis.

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

No lies in my background.

And FYI, westwood is a very wealthy town.(Who gives a flying phuck?)

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Ok which companies do you own?

You lie.

BTW I saw your drivel on the Maryland thread. Sheesh were you bit*h slapped you big government loving toady.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 6:51 PM

And since Romney is a known failure, personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Projection. It ain’t just happening at your local movie theater, folks.

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 6:51 PM

FWIW, Romney took a week of vacation for Independence Day, to spend time with his family. Good.

If he doesn’t start seriously fighting back?

I would be really surprised. He’s no fool. One doesn’t spend decades as a CEO and buckle under some two bit competitor.

Here’s hoping he will surprise everyone.

/ I hate that word Hope. It has been forever tarnished.

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 6:52 PM

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

You were funnier when you defended that dope fiend thug.that got shot in self defense in Florida. :(

tom daschle concerned on July 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Romney needs to do something to pump up his fair-weather base. And since Romney is a known failure, personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Aren’t all of O’bama’s personal attacks on Romney an admission that he’s a known failure too?

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

….. personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Oh geez .Coming from you that is about as ironic as ironic gets.

Obama is a failure and you know it yet like a good little boy you keep your nose right up his arse.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

And since Romney Obama is a known failure, personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

McCain would have KILLED to be in the position Romney has right now.

rob verdi on July 9, 2012 at 6:48 PM

USA Today/Gallup 07/27/08:

Obama 45
McCain 49

Gallup Tracking 07/09/12:

Obama 47
Romney 45

Norwegian on July 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

And since Romney is a known failure, personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Projection. It ain’t just happening at your local movie theater, folks.

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Remember Cinerama?

And SenseSurround?

Del Dolemonte on July 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Romney needs to do something to pump up his fair-weather base. And since Romney is a known failure, personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

If Romney’s a failure, count me the hell into that club.

Chuck Schick on July 9, 2012 at 6:56 PM

I feel sorry for the people employed by the WH that are relegated to defending him ala Attack Watch on reputable blogs.

What a thankless job that’s got to be.

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM

g2825m on July 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM
If anyone is feeling down about our chances, they need to read what you posted. It’s hard to argue with that bookmaker’s analysis.

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Kat…
True. I just do not see with ALL of those constituencies he likes to pander to holding the same support…and with EVERY drop in support the majority of it will come to Rommey’s side. Look at all of the Obama past bundlers and financiers jumping to Romney’s camp. I guess the past bundlers didn’t really believe Obama was going to “transform” the country in the way that he did.

Sorry to post and run, but it is almost 3:30am over here in the Hindu Kush! Good nite all!

g2825m on July 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM

My guess is that Romney doesn’t really want to run the ads, he just wants the lies to stop. If he really wanted to use the ads, he would have without firing the warning shot first.

But considering that the Democratic Party is completely owned by corrupt thugs these days, I doubt it will have much impact. The Democrats are basically the mob these days.

Lying, stealing, corruption, intimidation, etc. are what the Democratic Party stands for these days so I don’t see this warning shot having much impact.

The Democrats are likely to run a fantasy campaign between now and November just making up whatever they please and a fawning, servile, sycophantic press simply repeating whatever comes out of the party.

They are desperate and they are scared to death of possibly being held accountable when the Republicans take charge.

crosspatch on July 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Romney needs to do something to pump up his fair-weather base. And since Romney is a known failure, personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

If Romney’s a failure, count me the hell into that club.

Chuck Schick on July 9, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Too funny. We all know upper’s a fraud and a welfare queen. Then envy and hate gives it away.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:33 PM

I see moving the goalposts now are we?

You claimed that Romney knowingly and willingly defrauded the gov’t.

Bottom Line: Romney was never implicated personally with the fraudulent activity at the company..

That means he was neither IMPLICATED nor CHARGED with any wrongdoing.

You’re a fool and a liar…scooter. Go back to FarmVille.

Sounds like Damons problems were caused by incompetent and lying employees such as you.

HumpBot Salvation on July 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Damian is scum and for “political gain”. Damian GFY .

CW on July 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM

I know you are, but what am I?

Call him a liar, L-I-A-R, and make it stick.

Philly on July 9, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Romney needs to do something to pump up his fair-weather base. And since Romney is a known failure, personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

A failure at what? It sure as hell is not in business; so again, what do you believe he is a failure at?

DDay on July 9, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Norwegian kind of hard to compare the two elections considering Obama is the incumbent…not that you care.

RCP Approval rating of Obama.
Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread
RCP Average 6/20 – 7/8 – 47.0 48.6

As this race gets closer to D Day more eyes will open and less people will be grading on a curve.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Damian you claimed Romney was involved in fraud without proof. That makes you scum.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Romney needs to do something to pump up his fair-weather base. And since Romney is a known failure, personal attacks are the only thing he can resort to.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Stop. Just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself. This is not the kind of trolling the Obama campaign expects to get in return for the pack of Newports it pays you. Get on your game, man! You’re just phoning it in.

Rational Thought on July 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM

It’s time for Romney to get in the game … And how about Rev Wright’s latest?

tarpon on July 9, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Damian sheesh defend yourself you little twit.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 7:06 PM

McCain would have KILLED to be in the position Romney has right now.

rob verdi on July 9, 2012 at 6:48 PM

USA Today/Gallup 07/27/08:

Obama 45
McCain 49

Gallup Tracking 07/09/12:

Obama 47
Romney 45

Norwegian on July 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

He wasn’t talking about the NUMBERS.

riddick on July 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Someone up thread believes everyone knows Obama is a liar and Romney’s new approach will not work. I think you may be at least half right. But the majority of people living in the U.S. can’t even tell you who the Speaker of the House is at this very time. I really don’t care about those people, because they are not typically voters. But one thing these people can do is accidentally hear something on T.V. and spread the message. It does not hurt trying, no?

DDay on July 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Scum dribbles away when called out.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 7:10 PM

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

You really need to provide links to the stuff you quote.

Voter from WA State on July 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM

..no he doesn’t. He just needs to go away.

The War Planner on July 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM

g2825m on July 9, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Hey, Mr. g2825m… I read that last week as well. Good idea to post it around the threads. After the SC decision, alot of people could use some encouraging thoughts on the election.

lynncgb on July 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM

There’s an obvious opening to discussion of dem prevarication. They’ve drilled into their flock the belief that our fiscal condition was caused by:
1) tax cuts
2) a prescription drug benefit that wasn’t paid for
3) two wars of similar deficit financing

Couldn’t Romney at least point out that the executive’s proposal (made repeatedly and on tape) to use the “savings” from ending the wars to reduce the deficit and finance additional spending is even more obviously bogus than the double counting of Medicare cuts in the health care debate?

wolfsDad on July 9, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Little twit did you run off?

CW on July 9, 2012 at 7:17 PM

A failure at what? It sure as hell is not in business; so again, what do you believe he is a failure at?
DDay on July 9, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Well he was a failure in MA. His LBO background almost bankrupted MA. As a LBO specialist, he loaded the state with debt and scrammed after 4 years.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Someone up thread believes everyone knows Obama is a liar and Romney’s new approach will not work. I think you may be at least half right. But the majority of people living in the U.S. can’t even tell you who the Speaker of the House is at this very time. I really don’t care about those people, because they are not typically voters. But one thing these people can do is accidentally hear something on T.V. and spread the message. It does not hurt trying, no?

DDay on July 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM

OK, where was the error in my other “half right”. Please point it out. All I am saying is that there is no “out” for one liar to pounce on another liar, something that GOP hacks missed out on all this long and only now have realized the trouble they are in. Have no idea who in their right mind keeps hearing Hussein camp asking for Romney and GOP going along with that request. Pretty bad strategy there.

riddick on July 9, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Damian you claimed Romney was involved in fraud without proof. That makes you scum. a liberal.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 7:04 PM

errrr…

BigWyo on July 9, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Romney probably buys into the theory that undecideds will break overwhelmingly his way; hence so long as Obama’s % remains in the 40s and there is no major conservative 3P, not to worry.

Seth Halpern on July 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM

I’m never going to think that… at least Obama doesn’t have a Swiss bank account.

Dark Star on July 9, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Zackly. Every accusation the dems campaign on is a projection, anyway. You can bet that Obama’s account is in the Caymans.

RushBaby on July 9, 2012 at 7:28 PM

, he loaded the state USA with debt and scrammed after 4 years.

Uppereastside on July 9, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Soon you will be saying that about Obummer.

Damn you’re so bought. You’re a child trapped in adult’s body.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Damian ran when called on the carpet like the little child most liberal types really are.

CW on July 9, 2012 at 7:33 PM

….both obama and mittens are liars…..

Pragmatic on July 9, 2012 at 7:35 PM

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