Romney campaign ready to hit back against Bain attacks by calling Obama a liar

posted at 4:50 pm on July 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

I hope it works, but c’mon. If there’s a swing voter out there who doesn’t know The One’s a liar by now, he/she’s probably unpersuadable.

In a conference call Monday morning, senior staff said Romney’s surrogates would stop shying away from the word “lie” in responding to Democrats’ attacks on his business record, and plan to go on TV to call Obama a “liar,” the source said.

“They are very fed up with these attacks,” said the source…

“The feeling was that nobody is watching this right now,” said the source. “They had a time frame to respond to the Bain attacks… But today the counterattack with the surrogates is going to begin.”

Gallup’s new swing-state poll finds Obama up by two points, thanks in part to his ad blitz. Among those who say that a campaign commercial has changed their mind about a candidate, 76 percent say they support The One versus just 16 percent who say they support Romney. (Nine percent of independents say their minds have been changed by an ad.) That’s higher than I would have guessed, frankly; this National Journal piece from a few days ago argues compellingly that ad buys are overrated in presidential campaigns, notwithstanding the apparent effect that Obama’s Bain-bashing is having. There’s too much information about the candidates already out there. To move the needle, you need to find something negative about the other guy that voters have somehow missed and hammer it into their heads. That’s easier for Team Hopenchange than for Team Mitt, obviously, because Romney’s still an unknown quantity to some voters.

That said, I think Mark Halperin’s right that if the Dems are trying to make this Romney’s “swift boat,” they’ll have a tougher time than the GOP did eight years ago. Slightly tougher:

The Swift Boat line of attack went along the info-news conveyor belt from some limited paid media and a book, to right-leaning earned media, to cable news, to the broadcast networks and major print publications. So far, that hasn’t happened with the Obama attack. New media allows the Democrats on their own to spread the message through literally hundreds of platforms, but that doesn’t mean it will take over big-time earned media and dominate the campaign discourse, the way Swift Boats did.

The Swift Boat story was infused with a lot of emotion, for the accusers, for Kerry, and for many of the senior media decision makers of the time who had Vietnam-era ties. Emotion drives a lot in politics. At this point, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of genuine emotion involved in any part of the Romney story. (Except for Ben LaBolt’s obvious outrage.)

The Swift Boat story discombobulated Kerry for all sorts of reasons. After stumbling on these issues during the Republican nomination fight, Romney lately seems unfazed by new attacks on how he made and consolidated his wealth.

What are the odds that the outsourcing attacks will “take over big-time earned media and dominate the campaign discourse” if Obama falls a few points behind and looks to be in real jeopardy of losing in September? And as for Romney being unfazed, that’s true — but should he be? His campaign seems to have calculated that it’s still too early to worry about these attacks and that he’s doing just fine in the polls thus far. Watch Bill Kristol below on “Fox News Sunday,” though: The question isn’t whether Romney’s within a few points, it’s why he isn’t leading outright as the Obama economy circles the drain in a tightening, accelerating spiral. Team Mitt seems to be banking on 1980 redux, when an avalanche of swing voters finally gave up on Carter and embraced Reagan after the debates. Is there any strong reason to believe that’ll happen again? With Reagan, the concern was that he was too “radical” and maybe too old to be trusted with the presidency. Once voters felt reassured about his competence and vision, they broke. No one’s worried about those things with Romney, though, despite the Democrats’ dumb insistence that he’s the wingnuttiest nominee since Barry Goldwater. Everyone, including his opponents, accepts that he’s sharp, sober, and cautious. He’s presidential material. So what’s going to change after the debates this time?


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Calling Obama a liar? Isn’t that like calling Obama… Obama?

The Rogue Tomato on July 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM

…well that’s nothing new!

KOOLAID2 on July 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Good. Obama is a pathological liar and it’s time he’s held accountable for his continued abuse of the truth.

BruthaMan on July 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

And then Obama will call Mitt a flip-flopper……and it goes on.

tencole on July 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

So the pain of Bain stays useless, in the main…

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on July 9, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Was Mitt Romney the director of a company charged with Medicare fraud? AFSCME ad says so

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jan/23/afscme/was-mitt-romney-director-company-charged-medicare-/

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

If BHO keeps pushing for financial records, fire back with having zero produce his college records including his financial aid applications.

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Romney campaign ready to hit back against Bain attacks by calling Obama a liar

Right, I will believe it when I see it.

In the meantime, maybe it’s time to drop that whole “Obama is a nice guy” nonsense coming from Romney at nearly every campaignstop.

Norwegian on July 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Sure, call them on the lies and then get back to the jobless numbers. Remind the public of the lies Obama told to the public about the economy. Don’t get spooked by op-eds from Democrat concern trolls.

rhombus on July 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

If there’s a swing voter out there who doesn’t know The One’s a liar by now, he/she’s probably unpersuadable.

Yeah, that is true. Now it’s all about getting those swing voters to care that he’s a liar.

dczombie on July 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

If there’s a swing voter out there who doesn’t know The One’s a liar by now, he/she’s probably unpersuadable.

…shouldn’t that read: brain dead?

KOOLAID2 on July 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Romney needs to get pissed – his gentle, safe campaign just ain’t working. Where is the passion? Where is the anger? Where is the fire-in-the-bellly?

Pork-Chop on July 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

The Damon Corp. story certainly reads like — and probably is — an episode of corporate greed and fraud. It’s an old story, which Massachusetts voters have heard before, but most Americans haven’t. The reason that it could be a problem for Romney is that despite the fact that neither he nor Bain was ever charged with wrongdoing in the case, the coming narrative is that Romney has given two different answers regarding his involvement — which Obama supporters will try to use to mask the basic facts of the case. In one answer, he discovered that the company was overbilling Medicare for blood tests and called for an investigation. Some reports say that prosecutors gave credit for ending the fraud to Corning Inc. which purchased Damon in 1993. But ABC News notes, in the most balanced report I’ve found on the topic, that “Romney and the Damon board did, however, contact Damon’s lawyers, seek their counsel, and change Damon’s policies.” In another answer, Romney said he was unaware of any criminal investigation into the matter. To be sure, those two claims are not mutually exclusive; Romney could easily have both asked for an internal investigation and been unaware of a federal investigation.

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

The question isn’t whether Romney’s within a few points, it’s why he isn’t leading outright as the Obama economy circles the drain in a tightening, accelerating spiral.

Because too many voters who deep down have major buyer’s remorse aren’t quite ready to dump Obama. They figure we’ve got nearly 4 months til Election Day(during which time we’ll see 4 more jobs reports) and maybe he can still turn things around. I think once the debates roll around, if Romney does a good job and the economy is still in the crapper, then you’ll see the polls break the GOP’s way in the final weeks leading up to the election.

Doughboy on July 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

omigod noooooooo!!!! don’t be mean to obama!!!

sbvft contributor on July 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

I’ll believe they call him a liar when I hear it. You can’t get the vast majority of politicians or their surrogates to use the word, even when its use is called for. They’re frightened they’ll piss off too many people.

Moose Drool on July 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

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canopfor on July 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

In a conference call Monday morning, senior staff said Romney’s surrogates would stop shying away from the word “lie” in responding to Democrats’ attacks on his business record, and plan to go on TV to call Obama a “liar,” the source said.

Wow, Romney is really lighting his hair on fire this time! /

sharrukin on July 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Key West Reader on July 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

…hi friend…you doing better?…(keeping you in my thoughts daily!)

KOOLAID2 on July 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Meh. Name-calling never seems to work.

It would probably be more effective to let Obama do all the talking – in ads featuring him saying that presiding over an economy like this is reason to throw out a president.

The Narcissist in Chief has a nice long paper trail, as it were, of bashing Bush for running a better economy than he’s running. Use that.

KingGold on July 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Should be good. Romney hasn’t dissappointed yet.

txhsmom on July 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Go back to FarmVille putz.

You truly are one of the dumbest trolls we’ve got. Congrats.

HumpBot Salvation on July 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

unpersuadable.

…shouldn’t that read: brain dead?

KOOLAID2 on July 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

I looked at that and thought it was a new writing for UpHerEastSide.

cozmo on July 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Ya know what I’m really looking forward to?

Mitt & Barry going at it over healthcare in the debates.

Good times.

Purple Fury on July 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Wow, Romney is really lighting his hair on fire this time! /

sharrukin on July 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

…it’s ok!…he doesn’t use an oil base dressing like DWS!

KOOLAID2 on July 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

cozmo on July 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on July 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I think that waiting until the 4th of July holiday makes a lot of sense. Team Romney is saving money, and not slipping in the polls. When they finally lower the boom with their own ads, they’ll be able to target those states/cities where they’re most needed.

It’s also useful to let the Obama team punch itself out on the Bain capital issue. Even MSM reporters start getting tired of hearing their guests spout the same talking points.

I do think that on TV appearances, Romney campaigners should have been making forceful responses to the Bain attacks all along, though.

hawksruleva on July 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

After going through the Mc Cains Mutiny of Capt’n Queeg of 08,

“My Friends…..Fight Fight Fight With Me”…bullsh*t,

I welcome,Mittens attack,of LIAR!!
And,is it not true,or befitting!!!!!

canopfor on July 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Calling Obama a liar? Isn’t that like calling Obama… Obama?

The Rogue Tomato on July 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I love you man. That is awesome.

I still can’t believe there are so many dumb$hhit$ out there that decide on how to vote from campaign ads.

Badger40 on July 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

OT

Is Hot Gas ever going to cover the Brian Terry murder indictments?

Isn’t this story at least as important as anything pushed on this site today?

WTF?

(losing patience)

novaculus on July 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Romney needs to get pissed – his gentle, safe campaign just ain’t working. Where is the passion? Where is the anger? Where is the fire-in-the-bellly?

Pork-Chop on July 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

That only comes out when Romney is up against people he genuinely dislikes (i.e. conservatives in the GOP Primary).

It’s much harder to pretend to be angry when you battle the man your friends & neighbors in Massachusetts support.

Norwegian on July 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Team Romney needs to take off the gloves and realize they are in a MMA fight…

… for realz!

Seven Percent Solution on July 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Romney needs to get pissed – his gentle, safe campaign just ain’t working. Where is the passion? Where is the anger? Where is the fire-in-the-bellly?

Pork-Chop on July 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

That’s funny. You think Romney wants to win.

Romney is just there to provide a false choice.

tetriskid on July 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Watch Bill Kristol below on “Fox News Sunday,” though: The question isn’t whether Romney’s within a few points, it’s why he isn’t leading outright as the Obama economy circles the drain in a tightening, accelerating spiral.

Most of Rush’s show was about this today.

His central theme is that we’ve all been assuming in a sane world this economy would sink any incumbent. The problem is that it may no longer be a sane world. That many of the people without jobs have been made comfortable in their poverty and aren’t embarrassed and outraged by it they way people would have been in years past.

I hope he is incorrect, but it’s something to consider as we figure out how to rid ourselves of this disaster.

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

…it’s ok!…he doesn’t use an oil base dressing like DWS!

KOOLAID2 on July 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I was hoping for something like a Michael Jackson moment.

Seriously, Romney has got to get a lot tougher if he expects to win this.

sharrukin on July 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

novaculus on July 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Although it seems an awful lot like nothing more than a late CYA moment from the Justice Department in a desperate attempt to spare Eric Holder, I agree. This deserves a little coverage.

KingGold on July 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

and aren’t embarrassed and outraged by it they way people would have been in years past.

fixed

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Can the One’s ego take someone call him a liar? As anyone ever fought back against him.

There is a 20% chance there will be a meltdown in front of a teleprompter by November for deal leader.

Oil Can on July 9, 2012 at 5:07 PM

The question isn’t whether Romney’s within a few points, it’s why he isn’t leading outright as the Obama economy circles the drain in a tightening, accelerating spiral.

Easy question to answer – the GOP picked a deeply FLAWED candidate.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jan/23/afscme/was-mitt-romney-director-company-charged-medicare-/

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Old news. Nothing implicating Romney. The article at least points that out.

You however, need to come back to the tax hike thread and answer for your lies.

Chuck Schick on July 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

No President has ever been reelected when the unemployment rate exceeded 7.4%. In June.

8.2 >>> 7.4

rockmom on July 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Not seeing a win here for the Romney camp. If they want to defend themselves over what happened with Bain, they’ll have to get detailed. And the more details the average guy hears about such practices, the more they will realize that Mitt Romney’s view of the world bears no resemblance to that of the average voter.

On a political-knife-fight level, this is a good example of the “Let’s make the bastard deny it” strategy that is often attributed to LBJ. The Citizens United ruling means that Republicans will always be able to raise more money, forcing the Dems to fight smarter and harder.

Drew Lowell on July 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

C’mon, Mitt. Get mad. Pretend Scooter’s a Republican candidate.

kingsjester on July 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

BTW, Romney is speaking to the NAACP this week. Obama is sending Joe Biden!

rockmom on July 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Chuck Schick on July 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

kingsjester on July 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I hope it works, but c’mon. If there’s a swing voter out there who doesn’t know The One’s a liar by now, he/she’s probably unpersuadable.

Those in that camp just say, “Oh well, what politician isn’t a liar?” And then they just go vote for their lying liar Democrat.

kirkill on July 9, 2012 at 5:14 PM

BTW, Romney is speaking to the NAACP this week. Obama is sending Joe Biden!

rockmom on July 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Oh well that means Willy McDole has surely sealed the black vote then! /s

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

I’m hoping the Romney camp finds their collective spine and start fighting back. I’m in really red state Nebraska and all I’ve been seeing are the Obama ads during prime time. From the Romney campaign? Crickets.

He needs to be hitting back HARD and FAST!! The more people see the Obama ads and nothing from Romney, the more they’re going to believe the Obama ads and think that Mitt is hiding something.

CommonSensical on July 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

I hope it works, but c’mon. If there’s a swing voter out there who doesn’t know The One’s a liar by now, he/she’s probably unpersuadable.

Not at all. You seem to have no idea that a lot of Americans are just not that into politics, especially 4 months before an election.

VorDaj on July 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

12 months ago calling Obama a “Liar” was super-duper inflammatory and was rhetoric only used by mouth breathing, low life tea partiers.

My, My, how the standards of the mighty Establishment have fallen.

portlandon on July 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

a new version of YOU LIE

love it….

of course the lsm will be outraged that someone is dissing the president…but he went negative so he better expect the same…

cmsinaz on July 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I hope he is incorrect, but it’s something to consider as we figure out how to rid ourselves of this disaster.

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

He IS incorrect.

Obama is holding his own right now because GOP voters elected to put the same players on the pitcher’s mound who sank the economy last time.

You got a flip-flopping liar at the top of the ticket with Willy McDole and – YOU may be deluding yourself that he’s some kind of “second coming” but everyone else out here recognizes the guy is an empty suit.

Rush’s answer was … “The whole world is WRONG but ME!!”

That’s not a sane answer – when the rest of the world is telling you that YOU are wrong, ya may want to look in the mirror and take a really really long look at yourself.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

That’s funny. You think Romney wants to win.

Romney is just there to provide a false choice.

tetriskid on July 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

You need some air or something. Shut down the internets and get some fresh air.

Fish on July 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Team Romney needs to take off the gloves and realize they are in a MMA fight…

… for realz!

Seven Percent Solution on July 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Seven Percent Solution:Yup,and speaking of Escalation,ahem!:)
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http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/07/09/video-why-are-gop-lawmakers-having-homes-families-filmed-by-democrat-opponents/

canopfor on July 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Okay, look, I’ve said this before but appearently I’m going to have to say this again.

If the poll reads, “USA Today/Gallop,” then its really just a USA Today poll. These polls constantly poll further to the left than the independent gallop polls taken during the same time. Thus calling them a gallop poll is a bit misleading, as they have nowhere near the same predictive track record as Gallop does.

Second, we’ve been seeing two kinds of polls so far. On one hand we’ve seen a lot of polls that assumed 2008 level turnout for democrats, and on the other we’ve seen polls that either assumed 2010 turnout or split the difference. Polls that made the latter more realistic assumption, have essentially shown the two candidates either tied or given Romney the lead. The problem is that there are so many polls out there using the 2008 model that they’re skewing the RCP averages somewhat.

Basically, if you look at only the pollsters that have reasonably good track records, the two candidates are about tied. I’m not going to pretend that I’m ecstatic with only a tie, but given how incredibly polarized the country is right now wide margins wins are probably all but impossible.

Basically, yes it’ll be nice to see Romney answer these charges, but I don’t get the sense they’ve really damaged him.

PS

The Obama campaign has been running far more commercials than the Romney campaign, which in part is the reason why they’re having financial issues at the moment. Additionally, this poll shows overwhelmingly that the vast majority of voters to change their mind in the past ten months, are, “Democrats.”

Basically, the Obama campaign has been able to bring many disaffected democrats back on board. However its hard to say how many of these voters will actually VOTE for Obama. After all, these voters certainly don’t seem to be showing lots of positive intensity for Obama.

WolvenOne on July 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

The idea that the Romney campaign is content to be down 2-3 points in the polls at this point is demoralizing.

Mark1971 on July 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Go team Romney!

gophergirl on July 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

It is worth fighting to elect Romney just to see the like of HondaV65 crawl back to under his rock.

bayview on July 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Most of Rush’s show was about this today.

His central theme is that we’ve all been assuming in a sane world this economy would sink any incumbent. The problem is that it may no longer be a sane world. That many of the people without jobs have been made comfortable in their poverty and aren’t embarrassed and outraged by it they way people would have been in years past.

I hope he is incorrect, but it’s something to consider as we figure out how to rid ourselves of this disaster.

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Yeah, I don’t think I’ve heard Rush that dejected in a long time. I’ve heard him p-ssed, but not defeated. I think he’s just worried like we all are. The bottom line is even though I think Romney will win in November, Obama still has a good shot at reelection. Maybe even a coinflip’s chance. And I agree with Rush that in a sane world, that would be a laughable proposition. But here we are faced with it.

Now the reason I think Romney will win is that I don’t think the country is lost yet. There is too much evidence to the contrary. The Tea Party rallies, the 2009 election results, the Scott Brown victory, the 2010 midterms, the Wisconsin victories, and the increasing number of Dems refusing to endorse Obama or even attend their own convention. Add that all up and you’ve gotta think at least a slight majority of this country’s had enough.

But like I said, I understand Rush’s concern because it really shouldn’t be this close.

Doughboy on July 9, 2012 at 5:23 PM

kingsjester on July 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

+1

Basically what Rush said today…

cmsinaz on July 9, 2012 at 5:23 PM

My suggestion:
I would like to see an ad that lists companies Bain invested in, in one column, with the numbers of employees in the next column for each company, and then with the amount of taxes each company paid to the federal government after the Bain investments in the third column.
That list could be compared to a list of the “green” investments Obama has made with our money, together with the amount of losses to American taxpayers from each such investment.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

The idea that the Romney campaign is content to be down 2-3 points in the polls at this point is demoralizing.

Mark1971 on July 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Did anyone really expect otherwise?

You got a guy who can’t make an inspiring speech to save his life surrounded by a campaign of elitists who are scared shirtless of a fight.

If Willard McDole wins – it won’t be because of him or his campaign.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Romney does need to respond to the attacks on Bain and on “outsourcing”, but also concentrate on the positive things Bain did for job creation, such as the success stories with Staples and Domino’s Pizza, and compare that with Obama’s “investments” with taxpayer dollars in companies like Solyndra and Fisker.

If Romney wants to go after Obama as a liar, he has a target-rich environment!

If the stimulus passed, unemployment would stay below 8%.

Nobody making under $250K would pay higher taxes, and ObamaCare just levied 21 new taxes.

Obama would take away the credit card to the Bank of China, while Obama has since tripled the debt.

Republicans want to push Granny off the cliff, but Obama cut funding to Medicare to fund ObamaCare.

Obama didn’t have the votes to pass the Dream act, so he did it by executive fiat.

Obama said he wanted to make us less dependent on foreign oil, so he gave $2 billion in taxpayer money to drill in Brazil, but not in our own Gulf of Mexico.

etc., etc., etc. all the way through November.

Steve Z on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Yeah, I think the time for Romney to push back has come. He’s beating Obama in fundraising, although we don’t have the actual numbers, I’m sure he’s more or less caught him in cash on hand as well.

I’m really fearful that if Romney holds off until the conventions, Obama’s team will have mortally wounded his candidacy already with these dumb “He’s rich!” smears.

LukeinNE on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

YOU may be deluding yourself that he’s some kind of “second coming” but everyone else out here recognizes the guy is an empty suit.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Is there a middle ground between not wanting another Obama term and thinking Romney is the second coming of something? That’s where you’ll find me.

I was a Palinista, just like yourself (until you dumped her for Perry prior to his huge implosion)

By the way, following said implosion, there was a week or two where you seemed to warm up to the possibility of a Romney candidacy. What happened?

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

It is worth fighting to elect Romney just to see the like of HondaV65 crawl back to under his rock.

bayview on July 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I guess you’re right. I take back every criticism I’ve ever made of Willard Milton Romney.

/NoNotReally

gryphon202 on July 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

And then Obama will call Mitt a flip-flopper……and it goes on.

tencole on July 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Would have worked with a GOP candidate who didn’t have same baggage as Hussein. What will Romney’s campaign advisors say. Mitt lies less than Hussein? Winning strategy there /s

riddick on July 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

I hope it works, but c’mon. If there’s a swing voter out there who doesn’t know The One’s a liar by now, he/she’s probably unpersuadable

This coming from the guy who keeps on harping on the importance of “low info voters…”

What people don’t know..or atleast aren’t used to yet…is what it’s like to have Obama’s direct competition calling him out for his lies. There’s a difference between Romney doing it and someone like Rush doing it. The media just chalks it up as Rush hating on libs again and it goes away..how would the media ignore Romney over and over calling Obama for his shit? The only reason some “low info voters” don’t have very bad opinions of Obama at this point is because they don’t realize the extent of his epic failing as the President.

jaygatz33 on July 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

By the way, following said implosion, there was a week or two where you seemed to warm up to the possibility of a Romney candidacy. What happened?

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

I don’t think anyone can listen to Mitt describe himself as “progressive” back in 2002 and be enthusiastic about trading Obama for him without living in a state of deep denial.

gryphon202 on July 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

It is worth fighting to elect Romney just to see the like of HondaV65 crawl back to under his rock.

bayview on July 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Oh I’m not going anywhere – if Romney wins – I’ll be here to chide you every step of the way as he kills every last vestige of the Reagan Revolution and turns your party into the British Conservative Party.

Starting with GOPCARE – Nationalized Healthcare brought to you by a “Conservative” party.

What do you think “repeal and REPLACE” means nimrod?

Oh – a Romney win is almost better than an Obama win for me – I’ll be having fun the next four years as Conservatives watch THEIR CANDIDATE destroy conservatism’s credibility with voters.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Most of what is going on prior to the convention is sound and fury signifying very little. Many, many voters are not engaged and won’t be until then. It’s good to see PBHO burning his stash on ads before then. If a POTUS steps on his unit and falls in the Oval office when nobody is there, does he make a sound?

MJBrutus on July 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Romney does need to respond to the attacks on Bain and on “outsourcing”, but also concentrate on the positive things Bain did for job creation, such as the success stories with Staples and Domino’s Pizza, and compare that with Obama’s “investments” with taxpayer dollars in companies like Solyndra and Fisker.

If Romney wants to go after Obama as a liar, he has a target-rich environment!

If the stimulus passed, unemployment would stay below 8%.

Nobody making under $250K would pay higher taxes, and ObamaCare just levied 21 new taxes.

Obama would take away the credit card to the Bank of China, while Obama has since tripled the debt.

Republicans want to push Granny off the cliff, but Obama cut funding to Medicare to fund ObamaCare.

Obama didn’t have the votes to pass the Dream act, so he did it by executive fiat.

Obama said he wanted to make us less dependent on foreign oil, so he gave $2 billion in taxpayer money to drill in Brazil, but not in our own Gulf of Mexico.

etc., etc., etc. all the way through November.

Steve Z on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

This! This is what needs to happen! The majority of Americans aren’t well-informed when it comes to politics thanks to the LSM not doing their jobs. In fact, I tell my husband about political happenings all the time – and he’s never heard about it until I tell him and pull up the article.

This is stuff that has to get out there! Gah! I’m getting frustrated!

CommonSensical on July 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Is there a middle ground between not wanting another Obama term and thinking Romney is the second coming of something? That’s where you’ll find me.

I was a Palinista, just like yourself (until you dumped her for Perry prior to his huge implosion)

By the way, following said implosion, there was a week or two where you seemed to warm up to the possibility of a Romney candidacy. What happened?

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Middle ground? What do you expect Romney to do? He won’t do scat. He doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to put his chest in the wind when liberals start screaming about reforming entitlements – SO HE WON’T. Oh yeah – he’ll do something “minor” and you guys will applaud it – but it’ll only slow the demise of
America – and not even by much.

As far as a Romney candidacy – I TRIED TO GET WARM TO IT – but my intelligence is too great – and I kept seeing him for what he is … A FRAUD.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

I don’t think anyone can listen to Reagan describe himself as “progressive” back in 1972 and be enthusiastic about trading Carter for him without living in a state of deep denial.

gryphon202 on July 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

FIFY

MJBrutus on July 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

I would like to see an ad that lists companies Bain invested in, in one column, with the numbers of employees in the next column for each company, and then with the amount of taxes each company paid to the federal government after the Bain investments in the third column.
That list could be compared to a list of the “green” investments Obama has made with our money, together with the amount of losses to American taxpayers from each such investment.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Playing devil’s advocate here since so many are under the impression that Romney’s Bain reign was all good. For every company an ad would list Bain as job creator Hussein camp will create an ad that lists those that lost jobs. Do not fool yourself into thinking Bain was a great deal for all, a number of companies never liked “Bain help”. A number were raided to drain their employee pension funds, that would play well in a war of ads, don’t you think?

Romney camp should concentrate on jobs, economy and HusseinCare, although that last one is also tied into Romney’s liberal side. So…

Jobs, economy and illegals are the only real choices left to Romney, too bad our brilliant GOP hacks never thought of that during primaries.

riddick on July 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Romney needs to drink some of the Santorum primary syrup and unload on the narcissistic, serial liar. Come on Mitt, we got your back, full throttle time!

hillsoftx on July 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM

I don’t think anyone can listen to Reagan describe himself as “progressive” back in 1972 and be enthusiastic about trading Carter for him without living in a state of deep denial.

gryphon202 on July 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

FIFY

MJBrutus on July 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Show me footage or at least a transcript of Reagan calling himself progressive in 1972 and I’ll buy it. I tried googling it, couldn’t find jack.

gryphon202 on July 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM

BTW, Romney is speaking to the NAACP this week. Obama is sending Joe Biden!

rockmom on July 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Holder cancelled his speech here today and they brought in the Honorable(/) Al Green to speak to the 500 they said showed up. I bet he didn’t even change the oil in his hair.

I shut down Al’s only townhall in August 2010 when I asked him a couple of questions about Obamacare. The dude reacted like he had just eaten a bath salt sandwich and SEIU took over with the yeswecan bullschnoz. And it was over.

DanMan on July 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Oh yeah – he’ll do something “minor” and you guys will applaud it –

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Here’s what I plan on applauding if Romney wins: that we bought another four years to make other plans.

The way I see it the choice this November is similar to being forced to choose between a hungover fratboy and a convicted child molestor to babysit your kids. Both are cringe inducing. One significantly more so than the other.

Kataklysmic on July 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

So what’s going to change after the debates this time?

I actually think things could shift after the debates, and I expect them to do so.

Campaign ads are hard to directly respond to in a traditional sense. So Obama can keep hammering the Bain thing with the only response avenue really available to Romney being counter-ads. You can’t gaurantee your counter-ads run right after the attack ads, so when a counter-ad does appear it tends to lack context.

A debate is a different animal though. It is usually not a good forum for airing things like the Bain attacks (they didn’t really fly well in the GOP primary debates), and if they are aired they can be directly refuted instantly. However, Romney’s various options for attack are good avenues in a debate venue, since Obama has a immediate presidential record and direct economic statistics to back up his attacks. Things like the old cliched “are you better off” attacks work well in the debate environment, as does hitting Obama on his various promises vs his actual performance.

The debates also tend to be things people tune into specifically, where ads are easily tuned out.

I’m actually very interested in how the polls react after the first debate… assuming Romney strikes Obama hard on his record rather than pulling a McCain.

gravityman on July 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

BTW, Romney is speaking to the NAACP this week. Obama is sending Joe Biden!

rockmom on July 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

It burns me up that Conservatives don’t make more of an appeal to the black vote. Good ideas know no race.

Deafdog on July 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

What’s next, the dreaded ‘pants on fire’ defense?

rayra on July 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

I had a friend bring me a t-shirt from Ireland with a catoon sheep saying O-Baaah-mah. I live in a black district and have yet to be called out for wearing it. Lots of thumbs up.

DanMan on July 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I shut down Al’s only townhall in August 2010 when I asked him a couple of questions about Obamacare. The dude reacted like he had just eaten a bath salt sandwich and SEIU took over with the yeswecan bullschnoz. And it was over.

DanMan on July 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Good work!

Chuck Schick on July 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Are you saying the Health Insurance system is sustainable as it is now? Are you saying that it does not need any fixing? With the aging population, the health care bill will explode in the next ten to twenty years. Do you think that private insurance companies will not go bankrupt, choose to exit the field or raise the premium through the roof? Do you think that employers will not go the path of the old GM or ditch employer-pays health insurance model, when the premium go through the roof?

bayview on July 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM

It is worth fighting to elect Romney just to see the like of HondaV65 crawl back to under his rock.

bayview on July 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

LOL! Amazing to see the what motivates the Mittbots these days.

Despair over the economy? Nope
Animousity towards Obama? Nah
Getting even with an anonymous Hot Air commenter? You betcha!

Norwegian on July 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Gallup’s new swing-state poll finds Obama up by two points, thanks in part to his ad blitz.

AP, you cannot know how much it pains me to know of concern over the present state of affairs. I fervently pray that peace and tranquility will return and replace the obvious anxiety you now feel.

The War Planner on July 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

It burns me up that Conservatives don’t make more of an appeal to the black vote. Good ideas know no race.

Deafdog on July 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Do black voters not understand English? They are hearing the same campaign ads that white voters do. The problem is the dependency of the black community on government payouts, a stew of victimology, and a corrupt leadership. What exactly can conservatives do to change that in the short term?

sharrukin on July 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I live in a black district and have yet to be called out for wearing it. Lots of thumbs up.

DanMan on July 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM

..from any of the brothers?

The War Planner on July 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

riddick on July 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

I understand your good points. Nevertheless, the amount of taxes paid by companies in which Bain invested compared to the losses of taxpayer money from Obama’s “green” investments would be a good selling point.
Part of the Bain defense has to be that some companies still failed, but that many succeeded. That, too, is a stark contrast with the failure rate of Obama’s “investments” of our money.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Norwegian on July 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

It is a big bonus to see the like of you crawl back to the fringe.

bayview on July 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Norwegian on July 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Behold the “reasoning” of your garden variety ABR loon. Someone says it will be fun to see your ilk skulk off in shame and you conclude that such schadenfreude is their sole reason for wanting Mitt to win.

MJBrutus on July 9, 2012 at 5:45 PM

As far as a Romney candidacy – I TRIED TO GET WARM TO IT – but my intelligence is too great – and I kept seeing him for what he is … A FRAUD.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

..Jeeeee-zus! Modest much? And talk about frauds.

The War Planner on July 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Oh – a Romney win is almost better than an Obama win for me – I’ll be having fun the next four years as Conservatives watch THEIR CANDIDATE destroy conservatism’s credibility with voters.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

If anything or anybody ever destroys conservatism’s credibility that would be nutjobs like you with similar views…oher than that, the conservative brand is not in any immediate or long term danger.

jimver on July 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

It burns me up that Conservatives don’t make more of an appeal to the black vote. Good ideas know no race.

Deafdog on July 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Agreed. However:

From RCP, it appears that Obama will lose about 10% more of the black vote than in ’08. And that doesn’t even count those who won’t turn out.

MJBrutus on July 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

GaltBlvnAtty on July 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Exactly!! Take a lesson from the Communists and answer every question with a perfectly planned and documented expose of Obama’s actions!! Every question answered should mention one of the following: F&F,Executive Privilege, Security leaks, Obama’s records, failed energy companies, refusal to obey court orders on drilling moratorium, loss of Keystone jobs,Illegal enforcement of aliens, failure to defend DOMA, dealer and stockholder’s losses on GM bailout,loss of U.S. credit rating due to spending, Taxes hidden in Obamacare,…..and… on…and…on!! Attack!! Attack!! Attack!!

Marco on July 9, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Romney could kick Obama’s proverbial ass in June and July in an ad war, and lose in November. He has to paint Obama as completely incompetent in October, not July.

PastorJon on July 9, 2012 at 5:48 PM

As far as a Romney candidacy – I TRIED TO GET WARM TO IT – but my intelligence is too great – and I kept seeing him for what he is … A FRAUD.

HondaV65 on July 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

..Jeeeee-zus! Modest much? And talk about frauds and delusion.

The War Planner on July 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM

bayview on July 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Do it right, do it smooth, do it Conservative.

In order to train a mule, first you must be smarter than the mule.

Speakup on July 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM

damian1967 on July 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Learn to read, buddy. The story you link to states clearly that Romney not only did nothing wrong, he investigated & ended the abuses. Jeez Louise, you people have got nothing.

As far as Kristol goes he — just like George Will — can kiss my grits. They, along with the other beltway insider pundits who call themselves “conservatives,” were all in the tank for Obama in 2008 & were saying as of January this year that the GOP didn’t have a chance to beat Obama in the fall so they should just write off the presidential election & worry about electing Senators. Yet, shockingly to their oh so profound predictions, the race is competitive & Romney is doing far, far better than expected — he just raised $106 million in June & had more than half a million small (under $250) donors. These swing state polls that Kristol, et al are worried about — all of which over sample Dems – show Obama with a 2 point lead (i.e., within the margin of error) even though he is outspending Romney 3 to 1 in those states — this is not the doom & gloom the pundits are trying to pretend it is. It is no coincidence that all of them — to a one — have all started, at the exact same time, this worry warting & hand wringing about how “bad” Romney is doing & how he *should* do this & *shouldn’t* do that. IMO, they are all just as gaga for Obama as they were in 2008 & are doing what they can to boost him at Romney’s expense. George Will seriously bagged on Romney for insisting on talking about the *economy* for the love of all that is good & holy.

Unfortunately for these erudite pundits, even though I’m just a rube, no matter how many times they tell me how “likable” Obama is & how much money Romney has, I’m never going to think that even though we’ve had 41 straight months of over 8% unemployment & this country’s policies are a disaster, at least Obama doesn’t have a Swiss bank account.

Dark Star on July 9, 2012 at 5:52 PM

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