Dear Speaker Boehner: Not helpful

posted at 12:31 pm on July 8, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Say… do you remember that spirited, roller coaster ride of a primary race we had earlier this year? That was really something, wasn’t it? Most of you had your own preferred candidate and you got out there and supported them as best you could. We had debates and press conferences and rallies and all the rest of the streamers and balloons that go along with such a battle. Good times.

But now it’s over, and it’s time to get on board with the final push to November. While some sour grapes may remain among a few of the faithful, party leaders know that the focus has shifted and everyone has to get on message in support of a win this fall… Right, John?

[Speaker John Boehner] made the remarks when an unidentified woman asked during a question-and-answer session: “Can you make me love Mitt Romney?”

“No,” Boehner said. “Listen, we’re just politicians. I wasn’t elected to play God. The American people probably aren’t going to fall in love with Mitt Romney. I’ll tell you this: 95 percent of the people that show up to vote in November are going to show up in that voting booth, and they are going to vote for or against Barack Obama.

“Mitt Romney has some friends, relatives and fellow Mormons … some people that are going to vote for him. But that’s not what this election is about. This election is going to be a referendum on the president’s failed economic policies.

Even if that’s what you really believe, (and it’s not like I’m calling you crazy here) surely by this time you’ve learned enough that you could put a teeny weeny smidgen of spin on it, eh? And the fact is that people always want to vote for someone or something whenever possible.

Oh, and there’s nothing sure to rally the base like saying that nobody would really be interested in voting for Mitt unless they were his personal friends or family. And… Mormons? Did you really have to toss that in there? I think we can do a little better than that, sir.


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Bohner is almost a mormon himself, he’s just missing that second ‘m” letter.

ray on July 8, 2012 at 1:43 PM

“some mormons” geez, what a RINO ass. For reals. This is like Mccain’s 100 year old bigot mom spouting off her mormon hating mouth. Or MAMA Bush telling Palin to go back to Alaska.

johnnyboy on July 8, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Exactly.

VorDaj on July 8, 2012 at 1:44 PM

How about Allan West for Speaker of the House?

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Indeed. And as long as this is the case I’m not confident they’ll balance the budget or reform entitlements even if they have congress and the WH.Kataklysmic on July 8, 2012 at 1:38 PM

2000-2006 show they will not. Just be more of the same except at a slower pace. They will always have an excuse to avoid following through on their campaign promises because they just say those things to get elected not believe in them.

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 1:45 PM

How about Allan West for Speaker of the House?

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 1:44 PM

oh hell yeah

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 1:45 PM

How about Allan West for Speaker of the House?

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Or West could give Boehner one of his balls. Then Boehner would have one and West would still have three.

VorDaj on July 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

These Video (w/loud audio) Ads that start up on every page of Hot Air now are really pissing me off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brewcrew67 on July 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM

If you use IE, go to Internet Options and click on the Advanced Tab. Under Multimedia, uncheck the “play sounds in webpages”. Click on Apply and then ok. Restart IE.

If using Firefox, the AdblockPlus is said to work. I don’t use FF, but that’s what I’ve read.

Hope this helps.

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

double hells yeah for Allan West

johnnyboy on July 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Meanwhile Part Deux…………………

Hate Springs Eternal
February 11, 2008
******************

I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama,

who want their hero or nobody.

I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign

seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality.
==========================================================

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

canopfor on July 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Speaker Boehner, you just gave me a whole laundry list of reasons to NOT vote for Mitt Romney. That’s not to say that I won’t, but I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the Republicans absolutely pissed it down their legs this cycle. If I didn’t know better, I’d say that Speaker Crybaby Boehner almost wants to lose.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Boehner is drunk on stupid. You can see it sweating out of his pores.

tomas on July 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Thanks, I don’t want Huntsman in 2016, unless it was his father.
You realize that hillary will be running in 2016 (but I guess that’s who you want in the white house).

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Hillary won’t be running in 2016. She’s too old and has too much baggage at this point. If you’re going to be watching out for a woman on the left, watch out for Elizabeth Warren. If she beats Brown, you can expect the Dems to fast-track her for the presidency.

Past that, their bench is relatively empty when it comes to women. Kathleen Sebelius might be able to pull it off, but that’s about it. They had one who was a promising prospect for them by the name of Herseth-Sandlin, but Kristi Noem took her out.

Stoic Patriot on July 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM

I’d say that Speaker Crybaby Boehner almost wants to lose.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Ive been thinking that about the gop elites for awhile now. It’s almost like they want all of Obama’s policies in place they just don’t want to take the blame for it.

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM

[Speaker John Boehner] made the remarks when an unidentified woman asked during a question-and-answer session: “Can you make me love Mitt Romney?”

“No,” Boehner said. “Listen, we’re just politicians. I wasn’t elected to play God. The American people probably aren’t going to fall in love with Mitt Romney. I’ll tell you this: 95 percent of the people that show up to vote in November are going to show up in that voting booth, and they are going to vote for or against Barack Obama.

“Mitt Romney has some friends, relatives and fellow Mormons … some people that are going to vote for him. But that’s not what this election is about. This election is going to be a referendum on the president’s failed economic policies.


How many people here KNEW what a DISASTER this guy was moments after the election results were known and the Tea Party folks gave the pathetic gop a mandate and Boehner pissed it away?

The gop is pathetic……..oh, did that I say that already?

PappyD61 on July 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM

These Video (w/loud audio) Ads that start up on every page of Hot Air now are really pissing me off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brewcrew67 on July 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM

You are not alone, they’re annoying as hell. Plus, half the time the pages aren’t loading right, with the huge black space on the right, the centering of text in the comment boxes instead of left-justified, and with everything normally appearing on the right side showing up at the bottom instead, which may be caused by these damned video ads.

TXUS on July 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Let’s bash Boehner for being truthful once in a blue moon.

lester on July 8, 2012 at 12:40 PM

There was a LOT of truth in what he said.

I’ll have to give that to him.

PappyD61 on July 8, 2012 at 1:52 PM

“Not helpful” is his middle name.

Debt ceiling (went weak in the knees), payroll tax holiday extension (does anyone have any idea what he was doing?), downplaying his party’s candidate for president.

Crispian on July 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I’d say that Speaker Crybaby Boehner almost wants to lose.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Ive been thinking that about the gop elites for awhile now. It’s almost like they want all of Obama’s policies in place they just don’t want to take the blame for it.

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM

That’s how you can really tell the difference between a Dem and a Republican. The Dems act like they’ve won even when they lose, and the Repubs act like they’ve lost even when they win.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM

How about Allan West for Speaker of the House?

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Bambi:

Sounds good,he’s getting more and more Politically Battle-
Hardened!!
==========

Leftist Goon Attacks Rep. Allen West, Calls Him a “Bought Muther F*cker!” (Video)
on Thursday, July 5, 2012, 3:14 PM
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/leftist-goon-attacks-rep-allen-west-calls-him-a-bought-muther-fcker-video/

canopfor on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

“Well, yes our product is has its supporters, but you probably won’t love it” during the sales effort?

Really? Boehner claims to be “just a politician” and then he makes one of the stupidest political statements of this campaign so far. He fails to qualify for his own appellation.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 8, 2012 at 1:37 PM

That’s not what he said. He said that you don’t have to love the guy to vote for him, which is true. All he is saying is that we’re not going to have people fawning over Romney the way the Left did for Obama. Romney isn’t inspirational, all he was saying is that we need to recognize that, especially in comparison to Obama. That doesn’t mean he won’t be effective as president, much more so than the current occupant of the White House.

cpaulus on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Ok, it has been almost two years since theRepublicans swept the House and voted John Boehner its Speaker. And perhaps his most notable accomplishment in that time span is having had the opportunity to play golf with the President. The President has played golf over a hundred times since his inauguration, so just how hard is it to get on that invitation list? Obama has to find golf partners who are not working in order to meet his tee times and trust me, Boehner is not working. Say what you will about Nancy Pelosi and the horror she was as Speaker, but one thing Nancy knew how to do was to focus on getting her job done. As I recall she was willing to pole vault, parachute and parade until she accomplished her objectives. Alas poor Mr. Boehner can barely muster a moan or pleasingly piss in the direction of anything he wants to achieve.

Boehner’s problem is that he is more concerned with being liked than he is with moving the Republican agenda forward. Clearly, he knows that at the present time, the agenda has no chance of success with a Democratic controlled Senate and the high handicapper in the White House. Sadly, he is easily enticed to acquiesce to the status quo rather than to keep up the cadence and beat of hope and change Republican style. His MO is to hide from the challenge or to create obstructions in the path of his colleagues. In the end, he is just as effective as he would otherwise be and his reward is that he gets invited to all the premiere parties on the hill. That needs to change.

Despite what liberal pundits suggest the House will stay firmly in the grasp of Republican hands and there is a more than likely chance that the Senate and even the White House will join them. Should the GOP prevail, November is the wrong time to begin deciding who will lead the House. That decision needs to be forced to take a breath today. All 434 Republicans (Boehner not included) running for House seats need to be confronted with the question of who will become the Speaker in January. Pressure needs to be applied to them to begin coalescing around someone who can effectively lead, who owns a long pole and a parachute and is willing to keep his putter in the bag in order to save the Republic.

Windsweeping on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Let’s bash Boehner for being truthful once in a blue moon.

lester on July 8, 2012 at 12:40 PM

There was a LOT of truth in what he said.

I’ll have to give that to him.

PappyD61 on July 8, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Which is precisely why Boehner just damaged Mitt’s chances among the undecided/swing voters/independents. If the truth outs, and it usually does, Mitt’s in big trouble.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

F this party. Idiots top to bottom.

RedNewEnglander on July 8, 2012 at 1:55 PM

I think we can do a little better than that, sir.

Thats assuming that Bonehead Boehner’s intentions were not to “Frag” Romney. Remember Nicolle Wallace, Sarah Palin?

SWalker on July 8, 2012 at 1:55 PM

oh, man. this is too too rich. boehner throws mitt under the bus. says only mormons and his friends are voting for him.

mitch set his mind right. the senate in 2012 is where the money is, and thats what the elites want.

mitt must not be helping. rofl.

renalin on July 8, 2012 at 1:55 PM

LIKEABILITY

Mitt doesn’t have it, Rick didn’t have it, Newt surely didn’t have it…….

We needed a Happy Warrior to get behind for the cause of Conservatism and this is what we got instead. Tough noogies for us.

The likeability factor is HUGE HUGE concern in the campaign, it could be enough for the smiling DOTUS to win a 2nd term.

PappyD61 on July 8, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I have no brief for Boehner but his argument is precisely the same argument as that issued by the Romney campaign and the many Willardists who post to this site: A non-vote for Romney is a vote for Obama or something, is how they chide those of us for whom Romney is a non-choice. And then they’ll issue some nonsense like “Oh, I’ll take the flip-flopping mandate-lover over the Marxist any day,” or something equally non-persuasive.

Even establishment GOPers can’t get excited about Romney.

Sigh.

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 1:56 PM

That’s not what he said. He said that you don’t have to love the guy to vote for him, which is true. All he is saying is that we’re not going to have people fawning over Romney the way the Left did for Obama. Romney isn’t inspirational, all he was saying is that we need to recognize that, especially in comparison to Obama. That doesn’t mean he won’t be effective as president, much more so than the current occupant of the White House.

cpaulus on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

I’ve been saying that for months now, and I’ve been ridiculed it at every turn by folks that don’t think I should be criticizing Romney at all, ever, if I really plan to vote for him. So how come no one is rushing to my defense? Is it because I’m just a lowly blog commenter?

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Do you think that boehner thinks that he might be out as speaker if Romney wins?

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM

TXUS on July 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Did you see my suggestion bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM?

It’s worked for me.

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM

OMG.

Is this Bohner clown that politically tone deaf? You should know by now that if JetBoy thinks a “leader” like Bohner has what it takes you should write that person off ASAP.

Cripes

SparkPlug on July 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM

FYI Boehner, here’s how you make the case for Romney

Exit question: second look at Reince for VP?

Dark Star on July 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM

There’s a bar stool and a friendly bartender just waiting for Boehner to park his hind end in for good.

jan3 on July 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Which is precisely why Boehner just damaged Mitt’s chances among the undecided/swing voters/independents. If the truth outs, and it usually does, Mitt’s in big trouble.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Just shut the he11 up and vote for Obama already.

SWalker on July 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Do you think that boehner thinks that he might be out as speaker if Romney wins?

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM

I think Boehner’s chances to remain in the speaker’s chair depend on how many seats the Republicans pick up or lose in the house. That may be seen at least in part as a referendum on Crybaby’s Boehner’s leadership.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Just shut the he11 up and vote for Obama already.

SWalker on July 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM

So Crybaby Boehner is just telling the truth, but I need to shut up. Great. Keep up the good work, rombots.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Which is precisely why Boehner just damaged Mitt’s chances among the undecided/swing voters/independents. If the truth outs, and it usually does, Mitt’s in big trouble.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Thanks for your “concern.”

Dark Star on July 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM

canopfor on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

You better send out some of your undercover operatives to smackdown these lefty goons. And somebody please slap Bohner, he is not helping.

SparkPlug on July 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM

He said that you don’t have to love the guy to vote for him, which is true.

cpaulus on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Yes this is logically true. But what most politicians realize is that folks discriminate among the various products on offer based on feelings all the time. This is a proven psychological principle in sales and in game theory, and the 2008 results only reinforced it.

I still stand by the fact that saying this during the campaign is politically one of the dumbest things he has ever done.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Bohner just let the cat out of the bag and coughed up a fur ball.

SparkPlug on July 8, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Which is precisely why Boehner just damaged Mitt’s chances among the undecided/swing voters/independents. If the truth outs, and it usually does, Mitt’s in big trouble.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Thanks for your “concern.”

Dark Star on July 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Just because he isn’t a Romney bootlicker doesn’t make him a Democratic troll.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:03 PM

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM

No, I missed it, so thanks. I use FF so I’ll get the Ad Block Plus and try that. Thanks again.

TXUS on July 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Maybe yes, maybe no! If he comes across as a do nothing to get along, he might be out! I know the congress has to vote for him, but Romney is a business man, if something is not working you try another approach. He will have some say in it.

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Lead, follow, or get the heck out of the way.

ConservativeLA on July 8, 2012 at 2:06 PM

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I don’t get down on people who claim that they won’t vote for Mittens, but don’t act as if anything else is useful in any way. You have every right to dislike Mitt (I despise the guy’s politics and don’t trust him one bit) but there’s no question that this election is between Barky and America, and unfortunately, Mittens is the one sitting in for America.

As I said, you have every right to not vote for him (and I understand your position) and I understand your frustration with the Mittbots but don’t get carried away with yourself. It is what it is.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 8, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Do any of you recall hearing Rush talk about a sit down he had with Romney a while back and Mitt basically assured Rush that he was willing to do what needed to be done (even if it caused him to be a one-termer) to get the fiscal house in order in America?

THAT was important to hear.

At least it was hopeful that Mitt really meant what he said…..

…..but time will tell.

PappyD61 on July 8, 2012 at 2:06 PM

I’d say that Speaker Crybaby Boehner almost wants to lose.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Ive been thinking that about the gop elites for awhile now. It’s almost like they want all of Obama’s policies in place they just don’t want to take the blame for it.

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM

That’s how you can really tell the difference between a Dem and a Republican. The Dems act like they’ve won even when they lose, and the Repubs act like they’ve lost even when they win.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM

You both may be right. We only need to look at how Establishment Republicans treated Sarah Palin. Who stood up and spoke on her behalf or defended her when she was attacked? I’ll wait… In addition, how vocal were they when the Tea Party was in full throttle? What have they done since the Tea Party and Conservatives gave the Republicans their greatest win ever? What have they done since they have had the majority in the House? Boehner/McConnell have joined Reid and have given Obama everything he asked for.

I have no doubt they want to keep their seats at any cost. If the R’s lose this election, it’s all set up for their boy Jeb Bush.

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Thanks for your “concern.”

Dark Star on July 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Mitt’s “conservatism” is a settled question. It doesn’t exist. As far as I’m concerned, that’s not even worth debating anymore. Now we have to choose between a selfish, self-absorbed politician whose ideas about government are grossly erroneous, or Barack Obama.

It’s Romney’s job to convince people to vote for him. I don’t owe Mitt Romney shit, nor does anyone else. And this whole “shut up and vote for Obama” thing isn’t helping the cause, either. I don’t know if there are enough true believing rombots to push Mitt over the edge, but I guess we’ll find out in November.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM

thank you john boehner for the great service you have done for your country. you have exposed mitt romney for the one dimensional candidate he truly is. “i’m not obama” isn’t going to cut it this year.

i know by tonite you’ll be walking your statement back.no matter. we heard you. we believe you. green shoots for the dump mitt movement are beginning to sprout.

We need some rain.

renalin on July 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

If he gets rid of Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and some of the other crap that is gunking the engine, I’ll put a I heart Mitt sticker on my truck.

One dumb answer Mr. B.

AshleyTKing on July 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

You are not alone, they’re annoying as hell. Plus, half the time the pages aren’t loading right, with the huge black space on the right, the centering of text in the comment boxes instead of left-justified, and with everything normally appearing on the right side showing up at the bottom instead, which may be caused by these damned video ads.

TXUS on July 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I’m glad I’m not the only one with that problem. It’s like everything will load okay for a couple of days and then it’s back to the centering and big black box. I have to keep refreshing for it to display normally.

TxAnn56 on July 8, 2012 at 2:09 PM


I don’t get down on people who claim that they won’t vote for Mittens, but don’t act as if anything else is useful in any way. You have every right to dislike Mitt (I despise the guy’s politics and don’t trust him one bit) but there’s no question that this election is between Barky and America, and unfortunately, Mittens is the one sitting in for America.

Yes, and thank you for restating the very non-argument that I restated, which only supports my point, and only supports the Speaker because this is what he said too.

That Romney is not Obama is all we have. You think that that’s enough even though you, like me, despise Romney’s politics, and don’t trust him in the least. I disagree. I don’t think it’s enough.

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Even if that’s what you really believe, (and it’s not like I’m calling you crazy here) surely by this time you’ve learned enough that you could put a teeny weeny smidgen of spin on it, eh?

This attitude among pundits really disgusts me. We ought to call folks who hew to this line of thinking RATs (Republicans Against Truth).

Stoic Patriot on July 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

“Evidence now conclusive that over-use of tanning bronzer causes amyloid plaques linked with Alzheimer’s.”

eeyore on July 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Just because he [gryphon202] isn’t a Romney bootlicker doesn’t make him a Democratic troll.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Thank you. I’ve been here since the beginning, and commenting since roughly mid-2007. Funny that most of the douchebags who judge me the most harshly don’t know me at all except as a Romney detractor/erstwhile Palin supporter. Here’s a little hint, Rombots: There’s a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with Obama.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM

It’s Romney’s job to convince people to vote for him. I don’t owe Mitt Romney shit, nor does anyone else. And this whole “shut up and vote for Obama” thing isn’t helping the cause, either. I don’t know if there are enough true believing rombots to push Mitt over the edge, but I guess we’ll find out in November.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Learn to read, jerk: I never told you to “shut up & vote for Mitt.” so how dare you respond to me as if I had. You are nothing but an internet bully — screaming & ranting & accusing people of telling you things they did not, high jacking threads consistently with your inane b.s.

Since you are now polluting up this thread with nothing but your usual projection, misstatements & outright lies, I’m not wasting any more of my time.

Dark Star on July 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM

That’s how you can really tell the difference between a Dem and a Republican. The Dems act like they’ve won even when they lose, and the Repubs act like they’ve lost even when they win.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Ok you just impressed me with that one. It has the potential to become a well-known aphorism.

That’s how you can really tell the difference between a Dem and a Republican. The Dems act like they’ve won even when they lose, and the Repubs act like they’ve lost even when they win.

A thread winner for sure.

SparkPlug on July 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

If he gets rid of Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and some of the other crap that is gunking the engine, I’ll put a I heart Mitt sticker on my truck.

AshleyTKing on July 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

If he gets rid of just Obamacare, by default he’ll be remembered as the president who saved a nation from complete socialism. If Ocare stands, we won’t be citizens anymore, we’ll be subjects ruled by the government and the IRS. The middle class will ultimately be expunged.

On the other hand, if Obama wins, John Roberts will be remembered as the man who could have saved a nation, but chose the NY Times editorial board instead. I’m still so pissed at that coward.

TxAnn56 on July 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

That Romney is not Obama is all we have. You think that that’s enough even though you, like me, despise Romney’s politics, and don’t trust him in the least. I disagree. I don’t think it’s enough.

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

It’s all there is. I’d vote for a wet turd over Barky. Literally.

Mittens can be pretty easily impeached and tossed out if he tries to do any of the sh!t Barky has been doing and it would be good for America (what’s left of it) to impeach and convict a President and show that there is still some semblance of a Rule of Law and Constitutional limits on the Executive branch.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Just because he [gryphon202] isn’t a Romney bootlicker doesn’t make him a Democratic troll.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:03 PM

No, but the fact that he attacks other posters with outright lies about what they said to him tends to tell me he is.

Dark Star on July 8, 2012 at 2:15 PM

If you use IE, go to Internet Options and click on the Advanced Tab. Under Multimedia, uncheck the “play sounds in webpages”. Click on Apply and then ok. Restart IE.

If using Firefox, the AdblockPlus is said to work. I don’t use FF, but that’s what I’ve read.

Hope this helps.

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Just installed Ad Block Plus, and it’s working like a charm, and even the delay in loading HA pages is gone. No ads, no delay, no BS.

Thanks again bluefox, I owe you one!

TXUS on July 8, 2012 at 2:15 PM


Since you are now polluting up this thread with nothing but your usual projection, misstatements & outright lies, I’m not wasting any more of my time.

Someone made dark star’s head explode. I am not cleaning this up.

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Speaker Boehner is the worst speaker we have had, He and other Est conservatives lost the PR battle on debt reduction because they were being thrown under the bus by both partys.

IDK why this is not more of a talking point: How can you blame the Tea Party for gridlock and them only controlling a tiny section of the house? R’s and D’s screwed it up before they got there.

The Tea Party members should seriously think about breaking away from the Republican party in all forms Rhtoric/Ballots/policy. They are doing them no favors, and some Tea party people are selling out in the worst way like Chaffetz.

boogaleesnots on July 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM

You both may be right. We only need to look at how Establishment Republicans treated Sarah Palin. Who stood up and spoke on her behalf or defended her when she was attacked? I’ll wait… In addition, how vocal were they when the Tea Party was in full throttle? What have they done since the Tea Party and Conservatives gave the Republicans their greatest win ever? What have they done since they have had the majority in the House? Boehner/McConnell have joined Reid and have given Obama everything he asked for.

I have no doubt they want to keep their seats at any cost. If the R’s lose this election, it’s all set up for their boy Jeb Bush.

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM

I have long-held the same suspicions and there is nothing on the horizon to suggest that I should sweep them aside as a nascent form of tin-foil-hat paranoia.

SparkPlug on July 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM


It’s all there is. I’d vote for a wet turd over Barky. Literally.

Yes, and that’s all we have in the person of Willard Romney. On this we are in perfect agreement.

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Thank you. I’ve been here since the beginning, and commenting since roughly mid-2007. Funny that most of the douchebags who judge me the most harshly don’t know me at all except as a Romney detractor/erstwhile Palin supporter. Here’s a little hint, Rombots: There’s a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with Obama.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM

They are caught in something of a trap. They cannot credibly defend Romney, so an aggressive attack against any and all criticism is the only thing left. They know Romney’s record and his past statements but they need to believe in something.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Learn to read, jerk: I never told you to “shut up & vote for Mitt.” so how dare you respond to me as if I had. You are nothing but an internet bully — screaming & ranting & accusing people of telling you things they did not, high jacking threads consistently with your inane b.s.

Since you are now polluting up this thread with nothing but your usual projection, misstatements & outright lies, I’m not wasting any more of my time.

Dark Star on July 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Projections, misstatements, and outright lies? I know you never told me to shut up and vote for Mitt. That’s not what I said. I said the “shut up and vote for Obama” thing is getting old, which at least one person in this thread has said in so many words:

Just shut the he11 up and vote for Obama already.

SWalker on July 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Rombots take everything so goddam personally. Get over yourselves, chumps.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I don’t think it’s enough.

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Im in the maybe camp. not sure if its enough or not. At the end of the day I think it will come down to if the economy gets worse, if Obama pushes some more insane stuff. the obamacare ruling was the first time i seriously thought about voting for mitt come Nov and of course Mitt fumbled the issue so badly that im back to the unsure camp.

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

They are caught in something of a trap. They cannot credibly defend Romney, so an aggressive attack against any and all criticism is the only thing left. They know Romney’s record and his past statements but they need to believe in something.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

And they believe that Romney is better than Obama. As do I. Cold effing comfort.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM

I have long-held the same suspicions and there is nothing on the horizon to suggest that I should sweep them aside as a nascent form of tin-foil-hat paranoia.

SparkPlug on July 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

the more I see the more sure I become.

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM

This is why John Boehner is not much of a leader…

William Eaton on July 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM


Speaker Boehner is the worst speaker we have had, He and other Est conservatives lost the PR battle on debt reduction because they were being thrown under the bus by both partys.

But he told the truth about our chances with Willard. You have to give him credit for that. He just a rose a little in my estimation. Stopped clocks and all that.

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 2:21 PM

There’s a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with Obama.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Yes, spite, petulance, vindictiveness.

SWalker on July 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM

but there’s no question that this election is between Barky and America, and unfortunately, Mittens is the one sitting in for America.ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 8, 2012 at 2:06 PM

This is exactly the bottom line. The best way to look at it since like you say it’s America or Barky. That is our choice, no matter what.

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM

No, but the fact that he attacks other posters with outright lies about what they said to him tends to tell me he is.

Dark Star on July 8, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Do you deny that at least one of your fellow rombots told me to “shut the he11 up and vote for Obama?”

Just shut the he11 up and vote for Obama already.

SWalker on July 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Not the first time that’s happened, and won’t be the last.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Yes, spite, petulance, vindictiveness.

SWalker on July 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Or it may have something to do with the fact that Romney called himself progressive ten years ago, after moving from Utah to Massachusetts to run for Ted Kennedy’s senate seat. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me how they know Romney has disavowed his self-professed progressivism.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Weeper of the House Boehner is the weakest Speaker I can remember. As much as I despise Pelosi one must admit she was a Pitbull for the other side.

Dennis D on July 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

some Tea party people are selling out in the worst way like Chaffetz.

boogaleesnots on July 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM

He seemed to have so much promise but ate at the trough too much. Kristi Noem or whatever her name was, same thing. I don’t know why the people of KY and OH keep electing Boehner and McConnell. Can you imagine the message it would send if they lost their primaries? Look at how Hatch deceptively turned into this big Tea Party patriot because the fear of God was put into him. He’ll pull a McCain right after he wins. I’m hoping a Cruz win can pull Cornyn back to the right.

TxAnn56 on July 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

And they believe that Romney is better than Obama. As do I. Cold effing comfort.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Romney is better than Obama.

The problem is that Romney isn’t good enough. He isn’t even close. When we need a Reagan, we get a watered down Bob Dole instead. Romney isn’t going to change the direction of public policy any more than Boehner or McConnell did.

These men are completely insufficient to the task at hand.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM


They are caught in something of a trap. They cannot credibly defend Romney, so an aggressive attack against any and all criticism is the only thing left. They know Romney’s record and his past statements but they need to believe in something.

Yes, they need to believe in something, but why not wood nymphs or water sprites, which would at least be less of an affront to the critical senses of those of us who hew to political realities? This particular fantasy is just too distant from any sense of an objective assessment of the facts for any practical purpose. Or porpoise, like those porpoises that pull Neptune’s chariot through the waves, the appearance of which I would believe before I could ever believe that author of “romneycare” is anything but a progressive.

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

These men are completely insufficient to the task at hand.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

And yet they are all we have at this point. I’d be a fool to deny that, even as I think you have to be a fool to deny Romney’s obvious progressive tendancies. I am on tenterhooks right now waiting for the Republican party to go the way of the Whigs.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Boehner whiffed on that one. He should have just reworded the questioner’s meaning and said that he thinks Romney is going to convince the voters, win in November, and give the House Republicans the presidential signature they need for the repeal of Obamacare.

J.E. Dyer on July 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

These men are completely insufficient to the task at hand.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

agreed but maybe we are looking at it wrong. They say only Nixion could go to china. Maybe only a progressive like Mitt can be a conservative in office.

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Just installed Ad Block Plus, and it’s working like a charm, and even the delay in loading HA pages is gone. No ads, no delay, no BS.

Thanks again bluefox, I owe you one!

TXUS on July 8, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Hey, glad it worked. Now I’ll know to tell my FF friends that it works:-)

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Boehner whiffed on that one. He should have just reworded the questioner’s meaning and said that he thinks Romney is going to convince the voters, win in November, and give the House Republicans the presidential signature they need for the repeal of Obamacare.

J.E. Dyer on July 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

But instead Boehner gaffed a big one, if by “gaffed” you mean “accidentally spoke the truth.” For better or for worse, I think Boehner just summed up Mitt Romney’s campaign strategy.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:30 PM

How about Allan West for Speaker of the House?

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Or West could give Boehner one of his balls. Then Boehner would have one and West would still have three.

VorDaj on July 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

LOL, yeah I’ll pay the tax:-)

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 2:30 PM

The Tea Party members should seriously think about breaking away from the Republican party in all forms Rhtoric/Ballots/policy. They are doing them no favors, and some Tea party people are selling out in the worst way like Chaffetz.

boogaleesnots on July 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Now go collect your pay from moveon. I don’t know who you are, or where you live, but Chaffetz has not sold out to anyone.
Good for Chaffetz he can be counted on to ask probing questions, to go after the filth that is in our doj.

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Maybe only a progressive like Mitt can be a conservative in office.

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Nixon gave us the EPA, OSHA, and several other alphabet agencies. He’d have been a progressive wet dream if not for that pesky little Alger Hiss affair from some years before. Nixon was no conservative either; it was only his anti-communist leanings, which were rather betrayed by his detente with China, that made him above-reproach in the eyes of some in the media. It wasn’t because Nixon was some constitutional arch-conservative; he wasn’t.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Yep. That’s the problem. Likability.

Welll…that, and a lack of Conservatism.

kingsjester on July 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM


agreed but maybe we are looking at it wrong. They say only Nixion could go to china. Maybe only a progressive like Mitt can be a conservative in office.

Oh, this is hysterical.

Why can’t a second-term Obama be a conservative in office? He’s a progressive too. He’s even more progressive than Romney if you discount the fact that Romney was able to deliver a public option in MA, something Obama could never do. So by your logic a second-term Obama’ll be even more conservative than Willard, right? Because only a progressive can be a … conservative … or something, right?

I love the logic-pretzels that Romney apologists weave themselves into to try to justify their support for their hapless candidate. I’m really going to miss that.

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Can’t keep up with this thread – Church is calling.

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Yes, they need to believe in something, but why not wood nymphs or water sprites, which would at least be less of an affront to the critical senses of those of us who hew to political realities?

casuist on July 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Because water sprites weren’t running in the GOP primaries. They are doing to a lesser degree what the leftists did with Obama. Painting a picture of a savior on the blank slate of a man who is not up to the task. We lack leaders in a time of trouble and that makes many people desperate to believe that someone can make things right.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM

canopfor on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

West has been on target everytime he shoots:-) They must be hurting really bad, LOL

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM

From another poster on (smewhere):

Since January of 2011, here is how much the unemployment rate declined in each of the 17 states that elected Republican governors in 2010, according to the Examiner:
Kansas – 6.9% to 6.1% = a decline of 0.8%
Maine – 8.0% to 7.4% = a decline of 0.6%
Michigan – 10.9% to 8.5% = a decline of 2.4%
New Mexico – 7.7% to 6.7% = a decline of 1.0%
Oklahoma – 6.2% to 4.8% = a decline of 1.4%
Pennsylvania – 8.0% to 7.4% = a decline of 0.6%
Tennessee – 9.5% to 7.9% = a decline of 1.6%
Wisconsin – 7.7% to 6.8% = a decline of 0.9%
Wyoming – 6.3% to 5.2% = a decline of 1.1%
Alabama – 9.3% to 7.4% = a decline of 1.9%
Georgia – 10.1% to 8.9% = a decline of 1.2%
South Carolina – 10.6% to 9.1% = a decline of 1.5%
South Dakota – 5.0% to 4.3% = a decline of 0.7%
Florida – 10.9% to 8.6% = a decline of 2.3%
Nevada – 13.8% to 11.6% = a decline of 2.2%
Iowa – 6.1% to 5.1% = a decline of 1.0%Ohio – 9.0% to 7.3% = a decline of 1.7%
On the other hand, the unemployment rate in states that elected Democrats in 2010 dropped, on average, as much as the national rate decline and, in some states such as New York, the unemployment rate has risen since January of 2011.
This is yet another example of how the so-called “blue state” model is not working.
WE DON’T NEED TO RETURN TO YOUR FAILED POLICIES OF YOUR/DEMORAT PAST…..JUST ELECT REPUBLICANS AND THE ECONOMIC CHANGE WILL COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bambi on July 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Romney is a Mormon
Boehner is a Moron

Art on July 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Windsweeping on July 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

In a nutshell, Boehner is a windbag and a Rino and not very bright to boot!!

bluefox on July 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

agreed but maybe we are looking at it wrong. They say only Nixion could go to china. Maybe only a progressive like Mitt can be a conservative in office.

unseen on July 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Wish I could believe that, but Romney is who we fear. He was never a conservative and he won’t suddenly transform into one either. Romney doesn’t believe in conservatism.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Just another example of Boehner’s dullness. And of the type that enters politics in general, mouthy & arrogant, that’s about it.

arand on July 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Wish I could believe that, but Romney is who we fear. He was never a conservative and he won’t suddenly transform into one either. Romney doesn’t believe in conservatism.

sharrukin on July 8, 2012 at 2:37 PM

He has said he believes in progressivism. He has said he believes in conservatism. Given that the two positions are mutually exclusive, we can’t trust his words. Ergo, we must look at what he’s actually done. It is from this viewpoint that I am going forward.

gryphon202 on July 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM

“Can you make me love Mitt Romney?”

“No,” Boehner said.

Gonna take a contrary view on Boehner’s remarks. This is the case of a politician *spit* accidentally telling the truth. How many jokes about Garden Gnomes and ham sandwiches have we made here?Romney is the last one standing in an ABO contest.

Romney is not going to have women ecstatically crying when he gives a speech, or even when he’s elected unless they are close friends, relatives or, yes, from what I’ve seen here, Mormons. He’s not being billed as a Messiah and he won’t be treated like one.

The rest of us will be letting out our collective held breaths slowly, from January on, and praying that Romney means what he’s said on the campaign trail. We will not be out of the woods until a number of EO’s and bills get rescinded, redacted and repealed.

You can’t make me love Romney but at the end of his first term, I really hope I respect him.

Fallon on July 8, 2012 at 2:40 PM

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