Officials have already drafted 13,000 pages of rules & regs for health care law

posted at 4:01 pm on July 5, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

…And they’re still going strong.

Now that they have the Supreme Court’s go-ahead, federal and state officials are looking to begin the implementation of the PPACA, meaning that it’s time to start adding to the already 13,000 pages-worth of the law’s directives — an endeavor that’s going to cost us all a lot of money and resources. I don’t know how the people actually writing the darn things aren’t daunted, but the thought of this many bureaucrats, trying to administer the minutiae of so many rules and regulations, on behalf of the entire country, has me shakin’ in my boots (h/t Gateway Pundit):

The Health and Human Services Department “was given a billion dollars implementation money,” Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg of Montana said. “That money is gone already on additional bureaucrats and IT programs, computerization for the implementation.”

“Oh boy,” Stan Dorn of the Urban Institute said. “HHS has a huge amount of work to do and the states do, too. There will be new health insurance marketplaces in every state in the country, places you can go online, compare health plans.” …

“It’s a delegation of extensive authority from Congress to the Department of Health and Human Services and a lot of boards and commissions and bureaus throughout the bureaucracy,” Matt Spalding of the Heritage Foundation said. “We counted about 180 or so.” …

“They are asking for several hundred new employees,” Dorn said. “You have rules you need to write and you need lawyers, so there are lots of things you need to do when you are standing up a new enterprise.” …

180 new bureaus/boards/commissions, hundreds of new employees, billions of dollars, who knows how many new rules to comply with… the mind reels. Make no mistake about it, whatever Team Obama says — this is a massive, unprecedented expansion of federal power. Nancy Pelosi said we had to pass it to know what’s in it, and we’re still not even done figuring out what’s in it. Awesome.

And it’s not as if all of these rules and regulations are just innocent little administrative instructions, either; the Catholic Church, for instance, isn’t too pleased with the rule decreeing that insurance plans need to cover contraception, regardless of religious affiliations. What other nefarious liberty-infringing, social-engineering surprises are going to come out of this legislative Pandora’s box?


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Yay free healthcare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111132124132

tom daschle concerned on July 5, 2012 at 4:01 PM

No comments yet?
’nuff said.

tencole on July 5, 2012 at 4:02 PM

So what if it’s 13,000 pages? It’s not like anybody will ever be bothered to read it…

Gingotts on July 5, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Oh the opportunities for graft, fraud, cronyism, swindling, etc. are just making them salivate. I hope they don’t work too hard on this because I expect it to be repealed. They just love having a hammer to put over the American people. They exhalt in that. Especially that creepy Pelosi. This is just too rich for words.

NJ Red on July 5, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Cripe

cmsinaz on July 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Offcials have already drafted 13,000 pages of rules & regs for health care law

What’s an offcial?

hepcat on July 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM

In my corner of the world it is known as job security and we try to plow through all this crap. You wouldn’t believe the contradictions coming out and when you question them the response is the same, Comply or else.

Hell the DoJ and HHS are hiring investigators and lawyers at an unprecedented rate to beat up the insurance companies. They hope to make up some of the funding shortfalls with the fines and penalties on them. There is no way any insurance company can comply which is exactly what they intended. Agency A says do this and Committee B says if you do that you are violating their rule.

Shit has been going on for a year now but nobody will listen.

Just A Grunt on July 5, 2012 at 4:08 PM

the thought of this many bureaucrats

An infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters… and we don’t even get Shakespeare, just Obamatax.

malclave on July 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM

right, now can we stop talking about what barry wants us to talk about?

this is designed to fail.

small companies will dump their people onto the public dole. people will not pay the tax. Let me say that again…people will not pay the tax…which is why it is esp. stupid to argue over words

you have guarantee issue….let me say that again..Guarantee Issue. And community rating pool

so let’s say you are a n’er do well leftist (or talentless ‘artist’)…or paid by a small ngo (soros type)….you will not pay the ‘tax’, and if you get sick you will go to the ER. If you get sick enuf you’ll start your monthly premium (subsidized) so that when you get a hospital bill for 25K, you’ll pay 30 percent (up to a limit) and send the rest of the bill to uncle sugar

r keller on July 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM

All these guys have been added to your insurance pool:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=parkour+extreme&oq=parkour&gs_l=youtube.1.3.0l10.3912.5395.0.14656.7.5.0.2.2.0.56.258.5.5.0…0.0.Qv89OFJUylk

tomg51 on July 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM

What’s an offcial?

hepcat on July 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Same as an “Official” except that the “Offcial” is an unconstitutional version and there’s nothing you can do about, except this November.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Offcials have already drafted 13,000 pages of rules & regs for health care law
What’s an offcial?

hepcat on July 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM

They’re called spelling NAZI’s.

RickB on July 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM

“They are asking for several hundred new employees,” Dorn said. “You have rules you need to write and you need lawyers, so there are lots of things you need to do when you are standing up a new enterprise.”

Because as we all know, there is nothing better at solving problems than rules and regulations and lawyers!

ZenDraken on July 5, 2012 at 4:11 PM

What could possibly go wrong?

Ellis on July 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM

13,000 + pages. Wow, we are already saving money!!//

derecho on July 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Offcials have already drafted 13,000 pages of rules & regs for health care law

What’s an offcial?

hepcat on July 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Maybe it is supposed to be ‘offial’, a sh!t handler.

slickwillie2001 on July 5, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Officials have already drafted 13,000 pages of rules & regs for health care law

There must be an app for that.

MessesWithTexas on July 5, 2012 at 4:14 PM

13,000 + pages. Wow, we are already saving money!!//

derecho on July 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM

How many opportunities for Supreme Court challenges in those 13,000 alone?

slickwillie2001 on July 5, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Oh. My. God.

I almost feel sorry for the idiots who voted these people in. They are going to be stunned when this avalance of diktats comes rolling down the hill at them. But then I remember: This is exactly what they voted for. They want the government to take over every last bit of their lives so all they have to do is lie back, push the button on the TV clicker every now and again and cash those government checks.

catsandbooks on July 5, 2012 at 4:15 PM

So far.

jukin3 on July 5, 2012 at 4:16 PM

In related news, Mitt Romney rakes in 100 million in june.

taternuggets on July 5, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Don’t forget the army of new IRS agents to enforce those new regulations.

Rocks on July 5, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Jobs created.

derecho on July 5, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Is it too late to challenge the ACA as an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority? :P

Whatever “intelligible principle” is behind HHS rule-making should not be sufficient for this.

The contraception mandate was Patient 0. Allowing the HHS virtually unfettered authority is a threat to liberty that cannot be adequately addressed by the thousands of reviews for each discrete regulation. It is an onslaught of law that eventually overcomes liberty (think of the success of Sarumon’s army at battle of Helm’s Deep in Lord of the Rings). Like the Court’s ruling on Medicaid, it should consider whether this law pushes delegation to its breaking point as well.

Crispian on July 5, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Thanks again, John Roberts.

AZCoyote on July 5, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Oh. My. God.

I almost feel sorry for the idiots who voted these people in. They are going to be stunned when this avalance of diktats comes rolling down the hill at them.

catsandbooks on July 5, 2012 at 4:15 PM

..perhaps the Botox Beyotch was correct: “We’ll have to pass the bill to see what’s in it.”

The War Planner on July 5, 2012 at 4:18 PM

the people who voted for the socialist will be very disappointed, because it ain’t free.

the moronicity of this is that we already had medicaid, schip, medicare, etc. for those who ‘fell thru the crack’

leftists just want to spike the football, and have their ICON barry be famous for generations to come.

r keller on July 5, 2012 at 4:19 PM

When the laws become this complex no ordinary citizen has the ability to know the law. Thus, you must simply must do as you are told. And that’s what the socialists were trying to accomplish in the first place.

Axion on July 5, 2012 at 4:19 PM

And the Dims wonder why corporations are hoarding cash rather than reinvesting, idjits.

antipc on July 5, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Thank you John Roberts!
Still makes me want to puke.

the new aesthetic on July 5, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Axion on July 5, 2012 at 4:19 PM

modus operandi

derecho on July 5, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Hell the DoJ and HHS are hiring investigators and lawyers at an unprecedented rate to beat up the insurance companies. They hope to make up some of the funding shortfalls with the fines and penalties on them. There is no way any insurance company can comply which is exactly what they intended. Agency A says do this and Committee B says if you do that you are violating their rule.

Just A Grunt on July 5, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Yahtzee!

It’s an end-around aimed toward single-payer as the eventual outcome. It is designed to fail, all the while bankrupting the insurance companies, and more importantly, enormously expanding federal authority over more and more aspects of our daily lives.

Bastards.

hillbillyjim on July 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM

the people who voted for the socialist will be very disappointed, because it ain’t free.

r keller on July 5, 2012 at 4:19 PM

I don’t believe that for a minute.

They knew exactly what they were getting when they voted for this guy.

BallisticBob on July 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Oh. My. God.

I almost feel sorry for the idiots who voted these people in. They are going to be stunned when this avalance of diktats comes rolling down the hill at them. But then I remember: This is exactly what they voted for. They want the government to take over every last bit of their lives so all they have to do is lie back, push the button on the TV clicker every now and again and cash those government checks.

catsandbooks on July 5, 2012 at 4:15 PM

I don’t feel sorry for them at all. I hope this crap sandwich hurts them, their friends, siblings, loved ones, children, parents…Stupid people can only learn when they experience pain. So that is what I wish upon them. Pain.

tom daschle concerned on July 5, 2012 at 4:25 PM

You aren’t free, until you feel the shackles of government regulation. – liberals.

lorien1973 on July 5, 2012 at 4:26 PM

If they need 13,000 more pages, then it seems O-Care was an abject failure from its inception.

Only liberals are the ones who didn’t know that.

Liam on July 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM

The Republicans had years to address the lack of across state line insurance competition and the pre existing condition conundrum effecting thousands of otherwise healthy middle class families.

Instead they did nothing and the Dems drover a truck through the vacuum.

Congrats Republicans!!!!! You asked for it, you go it.

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM

What’s an offcial?

hepcat on July 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Same as an “Official” except that the “Offcial” is an unconstitutional version and there’s nothing you can do about, except this November.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM

That doesn’t auger well.

davidk on July 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Well, most of the problems with health insurance costs are created at the state level, not the federal. While a few are federal issues; states are reponsible for screwing up health insurance costs.

lorien1973 on July 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Good grief. I just did a little calculating based on the average height and weight of a ream of paper, and 13,000 pages works out to stack roughly 13 FEET high and weighing 130 pounds.

Talk about being buried in paperwork.

CJ on July 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Fraud alone will bring this this crashing to the ground soon enough.

CorporatePiggy on July 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM

I think its time to donate another $50 to the Romney campaign.

How about it folks!?

Firecracker729 on July 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM

When the laws become this complex no ordinary citizen has the ability to know the law. Thus, you must simply must do as you are told. And that’s what the socialists were trying to accomplish in the first place.

Axion on July 5, 2012 at 4:19 PM

~~~~~~

Yep…will we have the courage to not do as we’re told? Is there someone out there to provide the leadership needed to overcome this, I wonder?

ellifint on July 5, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I almost feel sorry for the idiots who voted these people in. They are going to be stunned when this avalance of diktats comes rolling down the hill at them.

I doubt they will notice. It’s next to impossible to stun the brain dead.

MessesWithTexas on July 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Hey you knuckle-draggers, this is just what it takes to administer a cost reducing, popular, mandated, penalty not-a-tax bill that was passed so we could see what was in it. Oh yeah, and its just ‘The Right Thing —- ta do’

NeoDawg on July 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM

“180 new bureaus/boards/commissions, hundreds of new employees, billions of dollars, who knows how many new rules to comply with…”

I can’t wait for the DHHS storm troopers to be located on every corner making sure your “behavior” doesn’t add to the cost of health-care…

… Think of the East German STASI and multiply it by 1000.

Of course, those that enforce the rules will have their little perks and exemptions, a different set of rules, and of course DHHS private hospitals…

… DHHS drones and SWAT Teams will be at the ready in every neighborhood, and children will grow up never knowing a world without the DHHS friendly poster in their class rooms.

Seven Percent Solution on July 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Hell the DoJ and HHS are hiring investigators and lawyers at an unprecedented rate to beat up the insurance companies. They hope to make up some of the funding shortfalls with the fines and penalties on them. There is no way any insurance company can comply which is exactly what they intended. Agency A says do this and Committee B says if you do that you are violating their rule.

Just A Grunt on July 5, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Yahtzee!

It’s an end-around aimed toward single-payer as the eventual outcome. It is designed to fail, all the while bankrupting the insurance companies, and more importantly, enormously expanding federal authority over more and more aspects of our daily lives.

Bastards.

hillbillyjim on July 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Cloward and Piven in 13,000 steroid-soaked pages.

PatriotGal2257 on July 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM

“How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.” – Adolf Hitler

Pork-Chop on July 5, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Officials have already drafted 13,000 pages of rules & regs for health care law

Tip.

Of.

The.

Iceburg.

logis on July 5, 2012 at 4:36 PM

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Portability, tort-reform… we’ve been saying this for years.

cajun carrot on July 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

By the way, the hideous monster Frank’n-Dodd bill is supposed to end up at far more than 13,000.

This is what proggies do.

slickwillie2001 on July 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

The only solution is the ballot box on November 6th! If Obama gets a 2nd term, we’re all going down the crapper!

Bob in VA on July 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

logis on July 5, 2012 at 4:36 PM

That’s one big ass tip…

cajun carrot on July 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

buy stock in paper companies

teejk on July 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

With all this, the move to socialism is complete.

Obama’s Manifesto.

They will fight, and fight dirty, for this thing because this it turns UsoA into USSoA.

It’s worse that a tax, penalty, or mandate. It is a fundamental, radical change of the United States into a Marxist country.

If we don’t vote Obama out, America is over.

The bureaucracies will see to it.

davidk on July 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM

And just think how all those congress corruptocrats are exempt from those 13,000 pages of red tape.

Robert Jensen on July 5, 2012 at 4:38 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Who is seriously asking for zero regulations? No one. The conservatives = anarchists talking point is old and tired. Certainly you can’t really believe this…?

Fact is, the heath insurance market was one of the most over-regulated and contorted markets going, and the prices reflected that. Now ObamaCare essentially freezes the broken system and piles unsustainable, backwards regulations on top via a throwback command & control system.

For health insurance to be more affordable we need to enact real, cutting-edge, modern reform. This reform has been presented over and over again by many on the Right. It’s there if you actually want to hear the other side.

visions on July 5, 2012 at 4:40 PM

So this is looking so great for Obowmao … oh wait.
The Romney folks ought to consider a simple ad for this rapidly approaching legislative crap storm.
First they layout the fact that the legislation was a tax/fees/penalty (take your pick it still boils down to ‘a taking’ of money from the populace) was generated in the SENATE. Not in the house where all spending legislation must originate (Constitution please?).
Then replay in a loop in the background SanFanNan saying (isn’t this most amazing you’ve ever heard?): “We have to ah, pass the bill to see what’s in it.” Drop in a few economic employment figures … graphical in nature of course … and then show the 2,700 or so pages of ObamaCare. Highlight a few of the more notorious phrases from the legislation for effect and the Coupe de Grasse … Make a comparison of how 2,700 pages of legislation morphed into 13,000 pages of rules and regulations along with the necessary hiring of 16,000 additional agents for the IRS.

Missilengr on July 5, 2012 at 4:41 PM

When the laws become this complex no ordinary citizen has the ability to know the law. Thus, you must simply must do as you are told. And that’s what the socialists were trying to accomplish in the first place.
Axion on July 5, 2012 at 4:19 PM

This.

Cloture on July 5, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Every page gives us more freedom*.

*Freedom to obey a federal bureaucrat or pay the non-compliance tax.

gwelf on July 5, 2012 at 4:43 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

This is a poorly constructed strawman. It makes me sad.

lorien1973 on July 5, 2012 at 4:43 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Republicans have forwarded multiple plans. To which the Democrats have generally responded:

(1) Why do you want to kill grandma?

(2) Shut up.

gwelf on July 5, 2012 at 4:45 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

10th Amendment…Nullification by the States…

PatriotRider on July 5, 2012 at 4:46 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

I have nothing, so shut up

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

hillbillyjim on July 5, 2012 at 4:48 PM

If the first 2000 pages were full of lies, how can we believe that the next 13,000 won’t be full of them as well?

southsideironworks on July 5, 2012 at 4:49 PM

The day this crap heap passed, an attorney I work with relayed to me how overjoyed she was that it did. I asked why? She said before she was hired at our firm she didn’t have insurance and now with a baby, well she’s glad “for the security, because one day I want to own my own business”.
My question to her was, with your advanced degree and high income potential, you wouldn’t buy your own insurance? Why is it the government’s job to give YOU insurance?
I’m not so much in denial that some things need changing but a massive overhaul involving millions over people who aren’t even the target group is not the answer. And the culture of entitlement is so insidious that it infected even one of my highly paid coworkers was shocking to me.
What’s going to happen to our great country?

RadioAngel on July 5, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Can someone do a doc search for “gulag?”

tom daschle concerned on July 5, 2012 at 4:51 PM

When rickyric is out of compliance of a couple of hundred of the conflicting regs that he’s never heard of, and under the boot-heel of the monster that we’ve allowed to grow, I wonder if his answer will be: “shut up”.

I somehow doubt it.

hillbillyjim on July 5, 2012 at 4:52 PM

And you think Romney and Republicans are going to end this things when they’re already busy implementing it? Not going to happen.

rickv404 on July 5, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Is it November Yet – Heck no can’t come to soon ..

wheels on July 5, 2012 at 4:54 PM

13,000 + pages…

We should all be grateful that every lawyer will be employed for the foreseeable future bringing lawsuit after lawsuit. Just as they do with the IRS, HUD and HEW! Just think of all the political party contributions that will flow into the eager hands of every Democrat Congressional Liberator’s grungy hands.

Indeed this is the Attorney full employment act of 2013.

Must I add the /sarc tag?

CiLH1 on July 5, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Does not matter what it is, you are already in violation of something. They will make what “regulation” is it when it come time for you to go to trial.

All can still be undone with one order from the new HHS under directive of President Mitt Romney.

If they do not have the money to check immigration status they do no have the money to check to make sure that the local sandwich shop with 52 employes for 2 shops (one one each side of town) has the required level hang nail removal in their health insurance plan.

tjexcite on July 5, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Can anyone say…..Public Option?

obsessedinga on July 5, 2012 at 4:55 PM

ObamaCare Regulation No. 8,276(c)(15):

“If a female patient whose age is in excess of twenty-nine thousand two hundred days suffering from cardiac arrhytmia requests surgical implantation of a battery-powered cardiac stimulator, the Secretary and her team of late-life experts shall decree that said patient be prescribed acetylsalicylic acid on an outpatient basis until said complaints shall cease.”

English translation:

If a woman over 80 years of age requests a pacemaker, the Secretary and her Death Panel shall tell the patient to take aspirin until the pain goes away.

Obama said this to a woman whose mother needed a pacemaker…

Granny over the cliff, Obama style! And no sugar for the kiddies, either!

Steve Z on July 5, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Don’t forget these are good people, (they prove it to themselves by being liberals). They are also smarter than most, (unless you actually try to reason with them, then they either attack you personally, or shrug and dismiss your argument as being trivial). But always remember, they care. I know though, that even when they win, they are really threatened by conservatives.

Paddington on July 5, 2012 at 4:57 PM

because one day I want to own my own business”.
RadioAngel on July 5, 2012 at 4:50 PM

if she starts making real money, she’ll be against it. somebody needs to start a liberal dictionary. I’ll offer a few entries

Progressive = nicer term that socialist
Wealth redistribution = theft

teejk on July 5, 2012 at 4:58 PM

hillbillyjim on July 5, 2012 at 4:48 PM

This is what the proggies will demand, that Republicans have a plan as ‘comprehensive’ as the manure-mountain that is Obamacare before we repeal Obamacare.

We have to resist this nonsense, because if all we do is rewind the clock to when there was NO Obamacare, we are far better off. If a doctor removes a ten-pound cancer from your insides, he feels no need to replace it with anything. So it is with Obamacare.

slickwillie2001 on July 5, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Tip of the iceberg, and U.S.A. is the Titanic.

SouthernGent on July 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM

It’s a good thing that The Jugeared Jesus reassured us that this will save us a bundle of money…

I’m to heartsick to laugh.

hillbillyjim on July 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM

The cute thing about this is that the rank-and-file liblets who love this right now aren’t going to escape it in the end, either.

Liam on July 5, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Just think…

… Less than 24 hours ago we were celebrating Independce Day.

Seven Percent Solution on July 5, 2012 at 5:03 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Remove all caps on Health Savings Accounts for employees/employers. Require employers to offer an alternate plan where employees can pocket the employer health plan dollars into their HSA account. Allow HSA dollars to be spent on plan premiums. (Bingo… people can now keep insurance across employers even with “pre-existing” conditions.)

Institute tort reform, especially caps on non-physical damage amounts, to lower the cost of medical malpractice insurance on providers.

Require providers to provide price transparency on procedure costs BEFORE the procedure. (I’m working on a project implementing this using webservices from HealthcareBlueBook.com… and this is VERY cool!)

Remove the majority of regulations introduced in the last decade that has doubled the number of admins in doctor offices needed to deal with bureaucratic paperwork.

Break the monopoly that the largest networks have over pricing options and providers.

Allow medical insurance to cross state lines.

Now that I’ve provided my plan, based on my experience working for a healthcare company that specializes in lowering costs for self-funded employers while increasing member satisfaction, YOU need to shut up until you provide an alternate plan to ObamaDisasterCareTax!

dominigan on July 5, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Can someone do a doc search for “gulag?”

tom daschle concerned on July 5, 2012 at 4:51 PM

http://gizmodo.com/5923158/video-from-space-shows-us-army-creating-an-island-in-the-atlantic

davidk on July 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM

But always remember, they care.

Paddington on July 5, 2012 at 4:57 PM

. . . if it’s fair.

davidk on July 5, 2012 at 5:07 PM

When the laws become this complex no ordinary citizen has the ability to know the law. Thus, you must simply must do as you are told. And that’s what the socialists were trying to accomplish in the first place.
Axion on July 5, 2012 at 4:19 PM

This.
Cloture on July 5, 2012 at 4:43 PM

That’s why fully liberalized societies are referred to as “Police states.” It’s not that they are there are fewer crimes there than in free nations; in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

It’s because the police run the country. They can arrest anyone anytime they feel like it. It’s not a question of finding facts to fit the accusation; it’s the exact opposite: all they have to do is look at whatever you happen to have done, and then just file the proper forms. Because everyone is always doing SOMETHING that’s “illegal.”

logis on July 5, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Nancy Pelosi said we had to pass it to know what’s in it, and we’re still not even done figuring out what’s in it. Awesome.

Yep.

I would like to thank all of the dimwits who allowed this thing to pass. You know who you are.

GoodAg77 on July 5, 2012 at 5:09 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Republicans have forwarded multiple plans. To which the Democrats have generally responded:

(1) Why do you want to kill grandma?

(2) Shut up.

gwelf on July 5, 2012 at 4:45 PM

The Dems said this in response to a different matter altogether — Paul Ryan’s budget, I think — but the response fits with this perfectly:

(3) We don’t really have another plan. All we know is that we don’t like yours [the Republicans'].

Feel free to add more.

PatriotGal2257 on July 5, 2012 at 5:10 PM

If a doctor removes a ten-pound cancer from your insides, he feels no need to replace it with anything. So it is with Obamacare.

slickwillie2001 on July 5, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Nicely put…

affenhauer on July 5, 2012 at 5:11 PM

but the thought of this many bureaucrats, trying to administer the minutiae of so many rules and regulations, on behalf of the entire country, has me shakin’ in my boots

But no. According to all the mindless commie/marxist loons this is how you make health care better and cheaper.

yhxqqsn on July 5, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Offcials have already drafted 13,000 pages of rules & regs for health care law

What’s an offcial?

hepcat on July 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM

It’s the first step in converting the work “official” to “offal”, which may be particularly appropriate when talking about Obamatax bureaucrats.

malclave on July 5, 2012 at 5:16 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Here’s a coherent alternative for you.

PatriotGal2257 on July 5, 2012 at 5:16 PM

The Dems said this in response to a different matter altogether — Paul Ryan’s budget, I think — but the response fits with this perfectly:

(3) We don’t really have another plan. All we know is that we don’t like yours [the Republicans'].

Feel free to add more.

PatriotGal2257 on July 5, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Good catch. Forgot about that one.

gwelf on July 5, 2012 at 5:17 PM

It’s the first step in converting the work “official” to “offal”, which may be particularly appropriate when talking about Obamatax bureaucrats.

malclave on July 5, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Evolving.

davidk on July 5, 2012 at 5:17 PM

13,000 pages and counting. It sounds like the Sierra Club should be outraged. How many trees are going have to die.

SC.Charlie on July 5, 2012 at 5:18 PM

This thread needs to shut up or offer a coherent alternative besides “no regulations”!!!

rickyricardo on July 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Wow, that’s one seriously feeble strawman. Best you got?

Midas on July 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM

If the chief justice reads only ONE article about the health care law that he saved with his smarty pants logic, this is the one. My husband is a banker and he has made me understand that one page of law translates into reams of regulation. Mr. Roberts, you could have made this all go away!!!

tj4osu on July 5, 2012 at 5:20 PM

http://gizmodo.com/5923158/video-from-space-shows-us-army-creating-an-island-in-the-atlantic

davidk on July 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of Dallas International Airport.

tom daschle concerned on July 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM

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