How big a deal is the Romney campaign’s tax/penalty flip-flopping?

posted at 8:01 pm on July 5, 2012 by Allahpundit

Does anyone seriously care about this? I know we’ve written a bunch of posts about it — it’s the political story du jour so we’re almost obliged — but I can’t believe there’s a single voter outside the chattering class that’s following it. Think of all the things a voter has to know just to be able to keep up:

1. Massachusetts has universal health insurance.
2. The linchpin of that insurance program is a mandate requiring people to buy coverage.
3. The program was signed into law by Mitt Romney.
4. ObamaCare is based on Massachusetts’s program.
5. States can pass mandates requiring citizens to purchase things but it’s not clear whether the federal government can do so under the Constitution.
6. The Supreme Court recently ruled that the federal government can impose mandates pursuant to its tax power but not pursuant to its power over interstate commerce.
7. Romney’s campaign spokesman, Eric Fehrnstrom, said after the Court’s decision that he believes the mandate is not a tax.
8. Mitt Romney contradicted Fehrnstrom by saying that if the Supreme Court thinks the mandate’s a tax, then it should be regarded as a tax — even if he personally disagrees with that interpretation.

How many of those facts do you think the average low-information swing voter — the group that’s going to decide this election — is aware of? One? Maybe two? Bear in mind, despite the Court ruling having been front page on every newspaper in America last week, fully 45 percent of adults said afterwards that they either didn’t know how the Court had ruled or thought that they had struck down most of ObamaCare. That’s the level of ignorance we’re dealing with here. And yet we’re now seeing dopey navel-gazing in the papers and grumbling among some prominent conservatives about whether Romney should shake up his campaign staff, even though the guy’s within three points in the poll of polls. I can accept this being a one-day story, if only because it’s the slowest week of the summer and we need something to kvetch about it. But we’re now on day four, full in the knowledge that the voters whom Mitt needs to win the election are in a de facto coma when it comes to this subject. C’mon.

Besides, if you think this is a big deal and simply must have someone to blame, why blame Romney’s staff instead of the candidate himself? They’re not the ones who made RomneyCare happen. Philip Klein:

In April 2010, just weeks after the national health care law passed, I warned that if Republicans nominated Romney in 2012, it could kill the effort to repeal Obamacare, precisely because he wouldn’t be able to credibly attack Obama on health care. It’s something that I emphasized repeatedly during the primaries and discussed in my ebook on the Romney nomination. Had Republicans nominated any other GOP candidate, right now they’d be sitting back and watching Obama and his surrogates squirm in trying to explain why the mandate was a tax for legal purposes but still didn’t violate his middle class tax pledge. Instead, Romney’s struggles to reconcile the irreconcilable are complicating things…

It’s inevitable that any Republican holding or seeking office who attacks Obamacare’s mandate as a tax will be asked whether the Massachusetts mandate signed by their own nominee is also a tax. They shouldn’t feel the need to defend Romney’s untenable position, or to squirm uncomfortably when asked. Republicans can agree with Romney on repeal without having to make excuses for what he did in Massachusetts. A good answer would be something along the lines of this: “You never find a candidate who you’re going to agree with 100 percent of the time. I disagree with mandates at both the federal and state level and don’t support the Massachusetts health care law. But I do agree with Romney that Obamacare is a disastrous law for all 50 states and that it needs to be repealed. And that’s why I support him.”

This is all going to come to a head three months from now when Obama and Romney get into a squabble at one of the debates over one guy’s mandate versus the other guy’s mandate, and the press will wet itself over whether the exchange is a gamechanger and how Obama proved he was a fightin’ Democrat after all by putting Romney on the defensive and whether Romney should have hired a different debate coach, blah blah blah blah blah. And meanwhile, 80 percent of the people watching it at home will be thinking “What are they arguing about now?

Speaking of taxes and penalties, here’s Romney suggesting that Roberts is no longer his model for a Supreme Court nominee. Exit question: Anyone think that Paul Clement won’t be nominated at the first available vacancy if Romney wins?


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come out from under your rock and answer the question? oh, right. you never do. just crawl away, till you pop up again with your obsessive Sarah bashing.

give it a rest.

renalin on July 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

What a knee-jerk reaction. And projection.

If you would read my comments you would know that I am a very loyal Palin supporter.

That’s why I wrote that I did NOT ask if Palin was lying in 2006 or 2008. Because I know that people can change their minds without being liars.

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

How many listeners could a Madison Conservative and a gryphon202 have for christsake? Even the most hardcore whackjobs would get tired of listening to those two piss and moan after ten minutes.

lowandslow on July 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I’m going to let that slide off of my back like water off a duck and address your snark more seriously than it deserves.

It will NOT be a continuation of the pissing matches that go on in here. Maddy and I have already discussed this. If you want us to mock you, you’ll have to call in and say something enormously stupid. But we won’t be taking calls for a while until we have a proper infrastructure established; call screener, the ability to do hour-long shows, Etc. Etc. In the meantime, we will attempt to address some of the same issues that the bloggers here address, in a manner befitting a half-hour-long podcast/radio show.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

“Eh” is right.

And yet we’re now seeing dopey navel-gazing in the papers and grumbling among some prominent conservatives about whether Romney should shake up his campaign staff, even though the guy’s within three points in the poll of polls.

Fox reported Romney making some staff changes. Which is fine, but the fact remains this tax/mandate issue is a tempest in a teapot over semantics. As I’ve been saying for days, it doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s a humongous tax hike on the American people and if it had been ruled a.o.k. under the commerce clause these tax hikes would still be looming.

Buy Danish on July 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

That really has nothing to do with my comment, and I think you’re making a mountain of a molehill, but sure, since you’re so eager and all…I dunno. He’s talked about how he came around on abortion, and I assume any change in other views would’ve occurred around the same time. I think he said a lot of stuff just to appeal to the libs in MA, but that’s just me.

Or you can believe the absolute worst about him and that he is still a progressive. Since you seem inclined to that very thing, I’m not sure any answer will be satisfactory.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:43 PM

He said he was a progressive. Now he says he is severely conservative. Which do you honestly think is easier for a politician to embrace on the national stage? I’d just like to know what makes you think he’s been and always will be conservative, given all the liberal crap he DID to appeal to libes in MA.

Sarah Palin, bridge to nowhere, personality cultists blah blah blah blah…Palinistas got nothing on the rombots.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:47 PM

…and I think you’re making a mountain of a molehill…

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:43 PM

The Republican presidential candidate chosen to challenge the biggest progressive the White House has ever seen referred to himself as a progressive on camera ten years ago…

…and proceeded to pass the most progressive state health care legislation in the country four years later, and now is tasked with dismantling the most progressive federal health care legislation in the country…

…but really, who cares? It’s nothing. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Fear makes it very difficult to process legitimate criticism. Many of those who attack critics of Romney are overwhelmed with fear of Obama, and while it’s understandable, it’s no excuse for total abandonment of principles.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Great point. I still don’t know why they feel the need to personally attack us based on our views of Romney though. It makes no sense to me.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Translation – Mittens has been confused about his political sexuality most of his life and was known to lie to Massachusetts voters to get elected.

Of course – he’s “over” all that now and Santa Claus will be visiting everyone on Christmas Eve if they vote for Willy McDole!

LOL!

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

You are effing brilliant, sir. I can’t wait for Saturday evening. :D

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Yeah, that’s really “conservative” of you, rombots.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Have never read a comment of gryphon202′s where she didn’t sound like someone out to make herself seem special by constantly taking contrarian anti-Romney and pro-Obama positions. It’s as if she takes the anti-Romney positions to try to stand out, even though none of her comments are at all ever original or worthwhile. Funny how liberal, Obama-supporting trolls like gryphon202 think they are in any position to put others down for supposedly not being conservative enough.

How big a deal is the Romney campaign’s tax/penalty flip-flopping?

As big as the MSM can make it, and I guess you must have joined the MSM, because of the 8 points you list, only the last two are related to “tax/penalty flip-flopping”.

Nice work.

drunyan8315 on July 5, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Maybe Allahpundit doesn’t even want Obama defeated. Does he really want Obama to win because he thinks it will help the HotAir business over the next four years? Sure seems like it. These days I skip over much of Allahpundit’s writing because his blasé attitude about everything (and apparent willingness to legitimize and further Obama campaign talking points) is more than a little offputting. Erika, Jazz and Ed are all more worthwile.

bluegill on July 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

If you would read my comments you would know that I am a very loyal Palin supporter.

That’s why I wrote that I did NOT ask if Palin was lying in 2006 or 2008. Because I know that people can change their minds without being liars.

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

i was wrong. i apologize.

renalin on July 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Have never read a comment of gryphon202′s where she didn’t sound like someone out to make herself seem special by constantly taking contrarian anti-Romney and pro-Obama positions.

bluegill on July 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Name ONE of my pro-Obama positions, douchebag. Just one.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Great point. I still don’t know why they feel the need to personally attack us based on our views of Romney though. It makes no sense to me.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Again, it’s fear. Every critical voice from conservatives reminds them that Romney is an awful candidate, and that it’s very possible that Obama will have a second term due to Romney’s awful history and total inability to give conservatives an affirmative reason to vote for him. All they’re left with is promises, and Romney has shown that he will say anything to get elected.

What they fail to understand is that people like Gryph and myself don’t like it any more than they do. However, we’re not going to sit around and pretend that Romney is conservative, or that he’s trustworthy. He’s neither. Will we probably vote for him? Sure. I voted for McCain, too…but that doesn’t mean I didn’t remind people what they were voting into office. Conservatives are supposed to care about keeping politicians on their toes, not massaging them.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Fear makes it very difficult to process legitimate criticism. Many of those who attack critics of Romney are overwhelmed with fear of Obama, and while it’s understandable, it’s no excuse for total abandonment of principles.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:43 PM

It’s not fear of Obama. It’s pragmatism, making the best out of the hand your dealt, realizing that realistically there are two choice…since we KNOW what one choice has done in the WH and will do, whom does that leave? Some aren’t willing to believe the absolute worst about Romney, appreciate his business acumen and the success he’s been throughout his life, and believe he’d make a better president.

Thus, the criticism seems overwrought and counterproductive. Sure, he’ll screw up lots of things between now and Election Day, might not do things the way everyone would like, but the constant drumbeat of negativity from some does absolutely nothing.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Fox reported Romney making some staff changes. Which is fine, but the fact remains this tax/mandate issue is a tempest in a teapot over semantics. As I’ve been saying for days, it doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s a humongous tax hike on the American people and if it had been ruled a.o.k. under the commerce clause these tax hikes would still be looming.

Buy Danish on July 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Exactly. Its frustrating to some of us that Romney cant seem to point that out. His campaign has nothing beyond pointing at Obama and saying “I’m not him.”

Romney hasn’t given anyone a reason to vote FOR him. Telling us to vote against the other guy just isn’t going to fly with the mushy middle. He has to distinguish himself from the tyrant in the white house.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

You are effing brilliant, sir. I can’t wait for Saturday evening. :D

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:49 PM

My voice doesn’t have an edit function. Beware the coming retardation.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Great point. I still don’t know why they feel the need to personally attack us based on our views of Romney though. It makes no sense to me.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Quit crying and attack them back – it’s great fun to laugh at them selling out their principles – and for not even a good reason – only to “win” an election and put the same Republicans in charge who spent too much money from ’00 to ’06, LOST the Congress, Crashed the Economy by refusing to do anything to Freddie and Fannie when they owned all of government – and LOST the White House.

It’s a win / win for us. If Mittens loses – we laugh. If Mittens wins – we laugh as Conservatives watch their party and their hopes for a conservative comeback in this nation evaporate.

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

He said he was a progressive. Now he says he is severely conservative. Which do you honestly think is easier for a politician to embrace on the national stage? I’d just like to know what makes you think he’s been and always will be conservative, given all the liberal crap he DID to appeal to libes in MA.

Sarah Palin, bridge to nowhere, personality cultists blah blah blah blah…Palinistas got nothing on the rombots.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Mitt moved from Utah to run in Mass. He had sold his house in Mass and had to use an address from an investment property his son was renovating and was unlivable at the time actually the basement of it.

Point being Mitt could have run in Conservative Utah had he wanted to run as Conservative. Instead he chose to move back to the most liberal State in the nation. He denied during the entire race that he was an actual Republican running as a Liberal Moderate to the left of his Democratic opponent. He and his wife swore they did not even know or like a single Republican.

Mitt only nominally became an actual Republican in 2005 when he decided he could run for President as a Republican. But he never governed in any way as Conservative. No very much as any Democrat that would have won in Mass would have. I think he could have won a second term had he officially become a Democrat.

Steveangell on July 5, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Thus, the criticism seems overwrought and counterproductive. Sure, he’ll screw up lots of things between now and Election Day, might not do things the way everyone would like, but the constant drumbeat of negativity from some does absolutely nothing.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

There are many outthere that will vote for the giant douche they already know instead of the turf sandwich they don’t.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Thus, the criticism seems overwrought and counterproductive. Sure, he’ll screw up lots of things between now and Election Day, might not do things the way everyone would like, but the constant drumbeat of negativity from some does absolutely nothing.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Then you shouldn’t fear it, if it does nothing. You say the constant drumbeat of negativity does nothing, and yet you and many others like you behave as if I’m aiding and abetting the enemy. Hell, bluegill just minutes ago explicitly accused me of being “pro-Obama” and taking “pro-Obama” positions because I won’t line up to polish Romney’s knob. Is this what supposed “conservatives” are reduced to?

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Thus, the criticism seems overwrought and counterproductive. Sure, he’ll screw up lots of things between now and Election Day, might not do things the way everyone would like, but the constant drumbeat of negativity from some does absolutely nothing.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Awesome idea: you be the constant drumbeat of positivity about the Romney campaign.

This one should meet your needs.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Quit crying and attack them back – it’s great fun to laugh at them selling out their principles – and for not even a good reason – only to “win” an election and put the same Republicans in charge who spent too much money from ’00 to ’06, LOST the Congress, Crashed the Economy by refusing to do anything to Freddie and Fannie when they owned all of government – and LOST the White House.

It’s a win / win for us. If Mittens loses – we laugh. If Mittens wins – we laugh as Conservatives watch their party and their hopes for a conservative comeback in this nation evaporate.

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

You’re right. How could I have left such a golden opportunity slip through my fingers!

If Nancy Pelosi changed her party affiliation to “R” but kept her views they’d be telling us to stfu and love her.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 10:57 PM

It’s a win / win for us.

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

A second Obama term wouldn’t make me laugh. I don’t consider Romney’s incompetence funny. I consider it the continuing purge of conservatism from the Republican Party.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

He said he was a progressive. Now he says he is severely conservative. Which do you honestly think is easier for a politician to embrace on the national stage? I’d just like to know what makes you think he’s been and always will be conservative, given all the liberal crap he DID to appeal to libes in MA.

Sarah Palin, bridge to nowhere, personality cultists blah blah blah blah…Palinistas got nothing on the rombots.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:47 PM

The Romney cultist remarks are rich, particularly coming from Palin fans. Really.

And, as I said, you apparently believe he still is a prog so no answer was going to be satisfactory. I’ll believe what the man says now and what he says he’s gonna do. I don’t care if you do or not…if you can’t, oh well.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Awesome idea: you be the constant drumbeat of positivity about the Romney campaign.

This one should meet your needs.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:56 PM

He already is. I don’t think he needs any help from windup monkeys.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

i just grunt. you guys speak.

renalin on July 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Thus, the criticism seems overwrought and counterproductive. Sure, he’ll screw up lots of things between now and Election Day, might not do things the way everyone would like, but the constant drumbeat of negativity from some does absolutely nothing.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

By that measure – any negativity against Obama does nothing.

Can we now expect you to remain silent about Obama – if you have nothing positive to say?

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Awesome idea: you be the constant drumbeat of positivity about the Romney campaign.

This one should meet your needs.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Hey, remember just a few days ago when you were telling others not to be a jerk?

Take your own advice.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

The Romney cultist remarks are rich, particularly coming from Palin fans. Really.

And, as I said, you apparently believe he still is a prog so no answer was going to be satisfactory. I’ll believe what the man says now and what he says he’s gonna do. I don’t care if you do or not…if you can’t, oh well.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I believe Romney is a prog not just based on what he has said, but what he has done. You have nothing to go on — absolutely NOTHING — except a bunch of campaign promises. Let these facts be submitted to a candid world.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

It’s not fear of Obama. It’s pragmatism, making the best out of the hand your dealt, realizing that realistically there are two choice…since we KNOW what one choice has done in the WH and will do, whom does that leave? Some aren’t willing to believe the absolute worst about Romney, appreciate his business acumen and the success he’s been throughout his life, and believe he’d make a better president.

Thus, the criticism seems overwrought and counterproductive. Sure, he’ll screw up lots of things between now and Election Day, might not do things the way everyone would like, but the constant drumbeat of negativity from some does absolutely nothing.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Thank you. Great comment.

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

A second Obama term wouldn’t make me laugh. I don’t consider Romney’s incompetence funny. I consider it the continuing purge of conservatism from the Republican Party.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

There’s no good choice – so why not laugh while we “gird” our loins.

One thing’s for sure – Willard wins and it’s the end of the Reagan Revolution – period – end of story!

Hello British Conservative Party and overlords Jeb Bush, Karl Rove, Megan McCain, and David Frum!!

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

The Romney cultist remarks are rich, particularly coming from Palin fans. Really.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

As someone who criticized Palin cultists for years, the parallel is perfect. I don’t expect any cultists to recognize their irrational behavior, however.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

…but really, who cares? It’s nothing. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Come back when you have something new or interesting to say. I’m happy to see you’ve stopped with your profanity-spewing, though.

Here’s a little newsflash for you: Not only does Romney, who has performed brilliantly the last few months, have conservatives behind him, but he also has support from most independents, and he is going to win this thing and repeal Obamacare. And it will be due in large part to the work of thousands of people who care about their country and who are able to do more than sit around all day posting naysayer-type anti-Romney comments on various internet blogs, as a few HotAir.com regulars (some of whom with screen names laughably trumpeting their fake “conservatism”) are known to do.

You Obama-supporting fake conservatives are a bore. Do you people get enjoyment out of campaigning for Obama while claiming to be true conservatives?

The rest of know it’s full steam ahead because we have an election to win. Obama can and must be defeated.

bluegill on July 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

By the time Reagan was on the ticket, he hadn’t been a democrat for 25 years.

By the time Romney will be on the ticket, he won’t have signed socialized medicine into law for 6 years.

Yeah, I totally see your comparison.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

What about Rick Perry who endorsed Al Gore in 1988 and became governor in 2000? That’s 12 years. Romney called himself a progressive 10 years ago. There must be a statute of limitation between 10 and 12 years, right?

The individual mandate was supported by the very conservative Heritage Foundation, as we all know. Now they are against it. Were they lying then or are they lying now?

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

How big a deal is the Romney campaign’s tax/penalty flip-flopping?

He acted stupidly, and as you say it was the story of the day for ONE day, but now there are more important things to talk about. Not to mention the upcoming jobs report.

Mr. Prodigy on July 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Hey, remember just a few days ago when you were telling others not to be a jerk?

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I love how you continue to do nothing but attack critics of Romney.

Do you defend his statements and decisions? Nope.
Do you address the criticism? Nope.
Do you talk about the great things Romney has done? Nope.

Hence the joke drum set. You and others like you make zero attempts to defend your candidate. What does that say about him, and you?

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

The rest of know it’s full steam ahead because we have an election to win. Obama can and must be defeated.

bluegill on July 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Still waiting, Bluedouche. Name one “pro-Obama” position I’ve taken.

/crickets.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

The Romney cultist remarks are rich, particularly coming from Palin fans. Really.

And, as I said, you apparently believe he still is a prog so no answer was going to be satisfactory. I’ll believe what the man says now and what he says he’s gonna do. I don’t care if you do or not… if you can’t, oh well.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Hes given us zero reasons to believe what he says. He changes his positions over a matter of days. For such an awesome leader he sure runs a clusterfark of a campaign.

Do you honestly think the Dems aren’t taking notes?

Ive seen constant ads by Obama here in VA. Nothing from Romney. WTF is he doing with all that cash he’s raking in?

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I believe Romney is a prog not just based on what he has said, but what he has done. You have nothing to go on — absolutely NOTHING — except a bunch of campaign promises. Let these facts be submitted to a candid world.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Then I guess you make your choice in Nov. accordingly.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

but the constant drumbeat of negativity from some does absolutely nothing.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Sure it does, it’s artificially inflates the egos of these pathetic losers. Feeds their delusions that they’re better then you.
How’s that for psychoanalysis Madison Conservative?

lowandslow on July 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

That’s a COP OUT – sure Obama sucks – but Willy McDole will NOT do the things necessary to save this nation. He’ll work around the fringes of the problem – “reach across the isle” and “compromise” – and he’ll be sitting in the Oval Office when we go “Greek”.

Only thing is – he will not only be blamed for destroying the nation – he’ll also be responsible for shutting conservatism out of whatever process rises from the ashes of that mess.

No one in this nation will listen to another conservative once the nation FAILS once more at the hands of a so-called “conservative” President.

Own that one bro.

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

The individual mandate was supported by the very conservative Heritage Foundation, as we all know. Now they are against it. Were they lying then or are they lying now?

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Two individuals at Heritage admitted they made a mistake in supporting that individual mandate, and said in any event that what they supported was NEITHER Romneycare or Obamacare from the beginning of either of those two respective programs. Ann Coulter? Well, she’s just being Ann Coulter. Neither the Heritage Foundation nor Ann Coulter will convince me that someone or something is conservative solely on their say-so. Keep molesting that chicken, rombot.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

by refusing to do anything to Freddie and Fannie when they owned all of government – and LOST the White House.

HondaV65

Whoever placed the order for a liar, your order is ready.

xblade on July 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Then I guess you make your choice in Nov. accordingly.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Yup. I’m going to choke down a vote for the candidate who doesn’t violently and virulently hate American freedom and tradition: Mitt Romney. That doesn’t mean he’s conservative. It just means he doesn’t violently and virulently hate American freedom and tradition.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Um, I relentlessly criticized her, much to the chagrin of everyone who said “She beat Mike Castle so we should vote for her”, while she lied in interviews left and right over her own record of fiscal irresponsibility.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Then we are both consistent, because I thought that attacks are pointless now. I wasn’t registered then, so I couldn’t comment, but I would have defended her.

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

What about Rick Perry who endorsed Al Gore in 1988 and became governor in 2000?

What about him?

The individual mandate was supported by the very conservative Heritage Foundation, as we all know. Now they are against it. Were they lying then or are they lying now?

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Who gives a damn about what this or that group thinks? People regularly cite the American Conservative Union’s ratings of politicians, and they’re similarly meaningless. Anybody who supports government, at ANY level, forcing citizens to buy something is not conservative.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Still waiting, Bluedouche. Name one “pro-Obama” position I’ve taken.

/crickets.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

You must hsve a lot of Class. However, I’ve not seen any exhibited as yet, so…..

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Fox reported Romney making some staff changes. Which is fine, but the fact remains this tax/mandate issue is a tempest in a teapot over semantics. As I’ve been saying for days, it doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s a humongous tax hike on the American people and if it had been ruled a.o.k. under the commerce clause these tax hikes would still be looming.

Buy Danish on July 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Thank you for being a voice of sanity on this site.

People are looking for anything with which to criticize Romney. Team Romney has been humming along nicely, regularly putting Obama on the defense, and it seems that Romney’s critics were desperate to find something, anything, to make into a large story.

The real story here is Obamacare and its $500 billion in new taxes, the resulting expansion of federal government jurisdiction over our economic decisions, etc.

bluegill on July 5, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Sure it does, it’s artificially inflates the egos of these pathetic losers. Feeds their delusions that they’re better then you.
How’s that for psychoanalysis Madison Conservative?

lowandslow on July 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Well – your name is “low and slow” … just sayin’ :P

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 11:09 PM

I love how you continue to do nothing but attack critics of Romney.

Do you defend his statements and decisions? Nope. Do you address the criticism? Nope. Do you talk about the great things Romney has done? Nope.

Hence the joke drum set. You and others like you make zero attempts to defend your candidate. What does that say about him, and you?

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

They cant defend him onthe specifics because tomorrow he will change his stance and then they’d look stupid. They know this, won’t admit it, yet tell us we are Obama supporters for the slightest criticism.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The individual mandate was supported by the very conservative Heritage Foundation, as we all know. Now they are against it. Were they lying then or are they lying now?

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

I didn’t realize Perry and the Heritage Foundation had won the GOP nomination.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:12 PM

How’s that for psychoanalysis Madison Conservative?

lowandslow on July 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

The person continuously addressing me and insulting even though I never addressed them is talking about psychoanalysis.

If irony were strawberries, we’d all be enjoying a big smoothie right now.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:12 PM

You must hsve a lot of Class. However, I’ve not seen any exhibited as yet, so…..

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

The real story here is Obamacare and its $500 billion in new taxes, the resulting expansion of federal government jurisdiction over our economic decisions, etc.

bluegill on July 5, 2012 at 11:09 PM

You’re both welcome to point out one post, ANY POST you can find in which I embrace a pro-Obama position. Go ahead. Do it. You chickenshits accuse me of being pro-Obama with transparent argument-by-assertion, and you bet your sweet asses I’m going to call you out on it. I can handle being called a no-class boor. But you will NOT slander me by calling me pro-Obama if you think I’m just going to let that stand without a response.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I love how you continue to do nothing but attack critics of Romney.

Do you defend his statements and decisions? Nope.
Do you address the criticism? Nope.
Do you talk about the great things Romney has done? Nope.

Hence the joke drum set. You and others like you make zero attempts to defend your candidate. What does that say about him, and you?

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I just talked about why some believe he would make a better president, and I’ve certainly defended statements and decisions before. You’re too busy looking for things to dump on to notice. But, why bother defending him to you and your ilk anymore? It doesn’t matter. You don’t like him, you don’t believe what he says, you don’t like what he does, and nothing anyone says to answer the criticism is ever satisfactory.

This is why I say the constant criticism does nothing…you’re not looking for reasons to vote for him. You just want to reinforce why you shouldn’t. If that’s all you’re after, have at it.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Fear makes it very difficult to process legitimate criticism. Many of those who attack critics of Romney are overwhelmed with fear of Obama, and while it’s understandable, it’s no excuse for total abandonment of principles.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 10:43 PM

On the other hand, I think it’s worth noting that fear of the Democrats is the only thing keeping the current loose coalition of Republicans together. We’d have flown apart by now otherwise.

Doomberg on July 5, 2012 at 11:14 PM

I can admit one issue on which I’m pro-Obama, and that is marijuana legalization. I’m with Captain Choom in believing that states should be able to make it possible for their citizens to enjoy weed in the privacy of their own…

…what? Obama’s DOJ has been raiding legal dispensaries throughout California at a rate that makes Bush look like Willie Nelson?

F**k. Never mind.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

If you would read my comments you would know that I am a very loyal Palin supporter.

That’s why I wrote that I did NOT ask if Palin was lying in 2006 or 2008. Because I know that people can change their minds without being liars.

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 10:44 PM

i was wrong. i apologize.

renalin on July 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM

No problem at all. Sometimes it gets a bit confusing here, with the comments and insults flying back and forth :-)

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Why are all the Mittbotts on this board behaving like pathetic LIBERALS who want to shut down dissent?

WTF dudes?

YOU have the “AWESOME CANDIDATE” – the man who will “SAVE THIS NATION” from bankruptcy. The guy who KNOWS THE ECONOMY inside and out. The man who’s going to repeal ObamaCare and NOT PUT ANY OTHER SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN IT’S PLACE. The man who will appoint SCOTUS judges who will overturn Roe V. Wade!!

LOL – so don’t complain about us anti-Willard losers – you go girls! And tell us what a CONSERVATIVE BASTION Mitt Romney is!!

LMFAO!!

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

The real story here is Obamacare and its $500 billion in new taxes, the resulting expansion of federal government jurisdiction over our economic decisions, etc.

bluegill on July 5, 2012 at 11:09 PM

The “etc” you speak of is Romney’s unwillingness to point that out.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Yup. I’m going to choke down a vote for the candidate who doesn’t violently and virulently hate American freedom and tradition: Mitt Romney. That doesn’t mean he’s conservative. It just means he doesn’t violently and virulently hate American freedom and tradition.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

That makes no sense, based on your comments in this thread alone. He’s really a prog, remember? You want to criticize others for supporting him and preferring him to Obama, when…you do, as well? OK then.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Hey, remember just a few days ago when you were telling others not to be a jerk?

Take your own advice.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Luvin it!

Come back when you have something new or interesting to say. I’m happy to see you’ve stopped with your profanity-spewing, though.

Here’s a little newsflash for you: Not only does Romney, who has performed brilliantly the last few months, have conservatives behind him, but he also has support from most independents, and he is going to win this thing and repeal Obamacare. And it will be due in large part to the work of thousands of people who care about their country and who are able to do more than sit around all day posting naysayer-type anti-Romney comments on various internet blogs, as a few HotAir.com regulars (some of whom with screen names laughably trumpeting their fake “conservatism”) are known to do.

You Obama-supporting fake conservatives are a bore. Do you people get enjoyment out of campaigning for Obama while claiming to be true conservatives?

The rest of know it’s full steam ahead because we have an election to win. Obama can and must be defeated.

bluegill on July 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Absolutely. Great commentary.

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Romneycare has never been a conservative or moderate. He IS the most liberal nominee in the history of the republican party.

Just ask his chief advisor Eric Fehrnstrom.

By the way, a little info on Romney’s brain eric

“Fehrnstrom returned to the public sector when Mitt Romney was elected governor. As Romney’s communications director, Fehrnstrom directed all speechwriting, media relations and crisis response for Executive Branch agencies. When Romney walked out of the State House, he walked right into a national campaign for president, taking Fehrnstrom with him as a senior adviser on press strategy and message.”

Danielvito on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

On the other hand, I think it’s worth noting that fear of the Democrats is the only thing keeping the current loose coalition of Republicans together. We’d have flown apart by now otherwise.

Doomberg on July 5, 2012 at 11:14 PM

So it’s not unity in principle that’s keeping Republicans together, huh? It’s fear? And if no fear kept us together, we wouldn’t have unity of principle to keep us going? Have you ever stopped to think that maybe a Republican party built on that bed of sand doesn’t deserve to exist, let alone win elections? I’ll admit, when I’m asked to square the circle and justify my vote for a Republican I loathe, it’s difficult. Not impossible (yet), but it sure is difficult. I think November is going to mark a sea change in America’s body politic no matter who wins.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

You’re too busy looking for things to dump on to notice.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Well, when all you do with Romney critics is sling s**t, what do you expect? Maybe if you actually countered their arguments, instead of turning your feces into projectile weapons, you’d feel less of a need to take out your rage on those who point out that Romney is a non-conservative, dishonest, unreliable politician.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

On the other hand, I think it’s worth noting that fear of the Democrats is the only thing keeping the current loose coalition of Republicans together. We’d have flown apart by now otherwise.

Doomberg on July 5, 2012 at 11:14 PM

There’s a word for such a situation: unsustainable. Like, Social Security-level unsustainable.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Why are all the Mittbotts on this board behaving like pathetic LIBERALS who want to shut down dissent?

WTF dudes?

YOU have the “AWESOME CANDIDATE” – the man who will “SAVE THIS NATION” from bankruptcy. The guy who KNOWS THE ECONOMY inside and out. The man who’s going to repeal ObamaCare and NOT PUT ANY OTHER SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN IT’S PLACE. The man who will appoint SCOTUS judges who will overturn Roe V. Wade!!

LOL – so don’t complain about us anti-Willard losers – you go girls! And tell us what a CONSERVATIVE HERO Mitt Romney is!!

LMFAO!!

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Romney will never repeal Obamatax. But that mostly because of the awesome congressional leadership the GOP has. We have the same morons in charge now that screwed us all 6-10 years ago.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Romneycare has never been a conservative or moderate. He IS the most liberal nominee in the history of the republican party.

Just ask his chief advisor Eric Fehrnstrom.

By the way, a little info on Romney’s brain eric

“Fehrnstrom returned to the public sector when Mitt Romney was elected governor. As Romney’s communications director, Fehrnstrom directed all speechwriting, media relations and crisis response for Executive Branch agencies. When Romney walked out of the State House, he walked right into a national campaign for president, taking Fehrnstrom with him as a senior adviser on press strategy and message.”

Danielvito on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Well, when all you do with Romney critics is sling s**t, what do you expect? Maybe if you actually countered their arguments, instead of turning your feces into projectile weapons, you’d feel less of a need to take out your rage on those who point out that Romney is a non-conservative, dishonest, unreliable politician.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Then don’t vote for him. How freaking hard is this to understand?

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM

A part of me hopes Obama gets another term so he can wallow in the clusterfuch he created, but I love my country and Children too much to wish that on them, but it seems like the Paultards and Romney-haters are hellbent on getting Obama re-elected so who knows?

cntrlfrk on July 5, 2012 at 11:21 PM

That makes no sense, based on your comments in this thread alone. He’s really a prog, remember? You want to criticize others for supporting him and preferring him to Obama, when…you do, as well? OK then.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

No, I am not criticizing others for supporting him. I am criticizing others for criticizing me for criticizing him! It makes sense in the context of the fact that I agree he is a shade better than Obama. Where we part ways is when you try to tell me that’s the reason I shouldn’t criticize him at all. At the rate things are going, I may very well get to the point that when you ask me, “Why are you planning to vote for someone you are so critical of,” I may just shoot back with an “I don’t know. That’s a very good question.”

Regardless of where my vote ends up, or if my tuchus remains at home on election day, “Romney isn’t Obama” is just not a good strategy for the Romney campaign to be pursuing. After all, if I’ve said it once I’ve said it a million times: Romney has called himself progressive, and done a lot to reinforce that image. I am NOT engaging in argument-by-assertion, but it sure seems like defenders of Romney’s supposed conservatism are.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Well, when all you do with Romney critics is sling s**t, what do you expect? Maybe if you actually countered their arguments, instead of turning your feces into projectile weapons, you’d feel less of a need to take out your rage on those who point out that Romney is a non-conservative, dishonest, unreliable politician.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Arguments have been countered ad nauseum, especially throughout primary season. Didn’t matter, and still doesn’t. The feces slinging started with those opposed to Romney, and it’s continued by those who still aren’t happy with the choice. Don’t be butthurt when it gets flung back your way on occasion.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:24 PM

I see that HondaV65 has entered the arena, screaming and hollering as usual. It’s time to leave.

Thank you all for the lively discussion. Good night, all.

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Then don’t vote for him. How freaking hard is this to understand?

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM

This is a “Vote Romney or shut up” site, no matter how much you wish it was.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:26 PM

That makes no sense, based on your comments in this thread alone. He’s really a prog, remember? You want to criticize others for supporting him and preferring him to Obama, when… you do, as well? OK then.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

You do realize that nobody has criticized you for being a Romney supporter. We are criticizing you for attacking those who will vote for him but don’t really support him.

And most certainly nobody has criticized you for preferring him over Obama. Considering that’s the position of all of us.

I see you’ve gotten so flustered that you are now making stuff up to make yourself feel better.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:26 PM

This is not a “Vote Romney or…”

*sigh*

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:26 PM

No, I am not criticizing others for supporting him. I am criticizing others for criticizing me for criticizing him! It makes sense in the context of the fact that I agree he is a shade better than Obama. Where we part ways is when you try to tell me that’s the reason I shouldn’t criticize him at all. At the rate things are going, I may very well get to the point that when you ask me, “Why are you planning to vote for someone you are so critical of,” I may just shoot back with an “I don’t know. That’s a very good question.”

Regardless of where my vote ends up, or if my tuchus remains at home on election day, “Romney isn’t Obama” is just not a good strategy for the Romney campaign to be pursuing. After all, if I’ve said it once I’ve said it a million times: Romney has called himself progressive, and done a lot to reinforce that image. I am NOT engaging in argument-by-assertion, but it sure seems like defenders of Romney’s supposed conservatism are.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Excellent. Based on your posts, please stay home at election time. Be well.

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Maybe if you actually countered their arguments, instead of turning your feces into projectile weapons, you’d feel less of a need to take out your rage on those who point out that Romney is a non-conservative, dishonest, unreliable politician.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Then don’t vote for him. How freaking hard is this to understand?

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM

You’d like that, wouldn’t you?

MOBY douchebag.

So if we criticize Romney, we can’t vote for him. And if we plan to vote for him, we can’t criticize him. All must make perfect sense to the rombots, else we fair-weather Romney supporters shall be banished to the outter darkness where there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. And we shall be subject to the flames of ridicule from our betters for all-time, until the second coming of the Messiah Palin Reagan Coolidge.

Blah.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

So it’s not unity in principle that’s keeping Republicans together, huh? It’s fear? And if no fear kept us together, we wouldn’t have unity of principle to keep us going? Have you ever stopped to think that maybe a Republican party built on that bed of sand doesn’t deserve to exist, let alone win elections? I’ll admit, when I’m asked to square the circle and justify my vote for a Republican I loathe, it’s difficult. Not impossible (yet), but it sure is difficult. I think November is going to mark a sea change in America’s body politic no matter who wins.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Oh, I agree the “fear situation” is a bed of sand and is unlikely to work as glue for much longer. I was just pointing out that I think fear of the Democrats is all that’s holding us together at this point.

Basically if Obama wasn’t so awful, I think the party would have already dissolved. The bottom line is there is no agreement on what it means to be a Republican anymore. The Democrats have a simple uniting principle – totalitarian socialism. The Republicans do not (if we did, there would either be no “Progressive Republicans” or we’d all be “Progressive Republicans).

There’s a word for such a situation: unsustainable. Like, Social Security-level unsustainable.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I agree entirely.

Doomberg on July 5, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Excellent. Based on your posts, please stay home at election time. Be well.

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

GFY, moby.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Romney will never repeal Obamatax. But that mostly because of the awesome congressional leadership the GOP has. We have the same morons in charge now that screwed us all 6-10 years ago.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Of course he won’t.

What we have “tee’d up” here is a GOP Ayatollah’s wet dream. They can move into government – change some things around the edges of O-Care – and then call it “GOP CARE”!!!

That’s what “repeal and REPLACE” means – it means the GOP establishment will be going “British Conservative Party” on us and give us Nationalized Healthcare that we can all think is RELIABLY “conservative” – but it won’t be any such thing.

THAT’S WHAT PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR MITTENS ARE VOTING FOR!!

Most of them are just too dim to realize it. Some DO realize it … guys like KingGold and the other Frumians on HA.

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Only romneycare’s team (boston bred Eric Fehrnstrom- his chief advisor and message guru) can break from the entire republican party and call the SP decision a penalty and not a tax.

all those republican senator, governor & congressional candidates must have threw up in their mouths when Romneycare’s mouth said it was a penalty giving democrats and obama cover.

More to come from the romneycare team. The liberal won’t shy away from his roots.

Danielvito on July 5, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Arguments have been countered ad nauseum, especially throughout primary season. Didn’t matter, and still doesn’t. The feces slinging started with those opposed to Romney, and it’s continued by those who still aren’t happy with the choice. Don’t be butthurt when it gets flung back your way on occasion.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:24 PM

It’s not being flung back. You weren’t being attacked. Romney was. Then you decided to turn into the Knights of the Romney Table. Not our fault that you take attacks against Romney to be attacks against yourselves just because you’ve dedicated yourself to a personality rather than a set of principles.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Excellent. Based on your posts, please stay home at election time. Be well.

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

The more I think about it, the more I think you must be a moby. After all the screeching from the rombotsabout how staying home helps Obama, you can’t possibly be a serious conservative.

We really need a better class of trolls around here.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:30 PM

I see that HondaV65 has entered the arena, screaming and hollering as usual. It’s time to leave.

Thank you all for the lively discussion. Good night, all.

Gelsomina on July 5, 2012 at 11:24 PM

On this, we agree, and I think I’ll join you. Later, folks.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Then don’t vote for him. How freaking hard is this to understand?

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM

So now we aren’t allowed to vote for him even though we say we will. Awesome.

And you want to accuse us of being Obama supporters when you just said not to vote for Romney?

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:30 PM

No, I am not criticizing others for supporting him. I am criticizing others for criticizing me for criticizing him! It makes sense in the context of the fact that I agree he is a shade better than Obama. Where we part ways is when you try to tell me that’s the reason I shouldn’t criticize him at all. At the rate things are going, I may very well get to the point that when you ask me, “Why are you planning to vote for someone you are so critical of,” I may just shoot back with an “I don’t know. That’s a very good question.”

Regardless of where my vote ends up, or if my tuchus remains at home on election day, “Romney isn’t Obama” is just not a good strategy for the Romney campaign to be pursuing. After all, if I’ve said it once I’ve said it a million times: Romney has called himself progressive, and done a lot to reinforce that image. I am NOT engaging in argument-by-assertion, but it sure seems like defenders of Romney’s supposed conservatism are.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Um, yes you have. We’re cultists, remember? No one is saying you shouldn’t criticize him at all. But just about every remark you make is derogatory towards him, so you’ll have to excuse people for wondering why.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Then don’t vote for him. How freaking hard is this to understand?

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:20 PM

So now we aren’t allowed to vote for him even though we say we will. Awesome.

And you want to accuse us of being Obama supporters when you just said not to vote for Romney?

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Don’t feed the moby, Spliff.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:33 PM

You do realize that nobody has criticized you for being a Romney supporter. We are criticizing you for attacking those who will vote for him but don’t really support him.

And most certainly nobody has criticized you for preferring him over Obama. Considering that’s the position of all of us.

I see you’ve gotten so flustered that you are now making stuff up to make yourself feel better.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Not so…we’re cultists, dedicated to a personality, etc. I don’t have to make it up…those comments can be found in this thread alone.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Don’t feed the moby, Spliff.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:33 PM

The logic deployed by him is mindboggling. Why they think criticism of Romney is some personal attack on them is beyond comprehension.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Excellent. Based on your posts, please stay home at election time. Be well.

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

BS I ain’t stayin’ home.

I’m going in to cast a FIRM VOTE against the GOP Ayatollahs by voting for Obama.

Bet your ass on that. Can’t save this nation by voting for either candidate but can damn sure help drive nails into the coffins of the GOP elitists.

HondaV65 on July 5, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Thanks AP, glad someone finally put it in perspective!

netster007x on July 5, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Um, yes you have. We’re cultists, remember? No one is saying you shouldn’t criticize him at all. But just about every remark you make is derogatory towards him, so you’ll have to excuse people for wondering why.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:32 PM

He’s not conservative. He is a self-proclaimed progressive whose history as a state executive backs up his claims of progressivism. He’s made several missteps, some serious and some not so serious, in his pursuit of the oval office. Romney’s laughable efforts to paint himself as “severely conservative” will no more win him votes than Obama’s efforts to paint him as a crazy conservative will.

Now, I think the above paragraph neatly sums up my criticisms of Mitt. What part of that do you find derogatory?

And Bluedouche, I’m still waiting to hear what “pro-Obama” positions I’ve taken.

/MoreCrickets

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:37 PM

It’s not being flung back. You weren’t being attacked. Romney was. Then you decided to turn into the Knights of the Romney Table. Not our fault that you take attacks against Romney to be attacks against yourselves just because you’ve dedicated yourself to a personality rather than a set of principles.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Heh. Romney has no personality to dedicate to. But he does have a campaign to win, and those that support that goal aren’t going to let attacks go unanswered.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:38 PM

This is a “Vote Romney or shut up” site, no matter how much you wish it was.

MadisonConservative on July 5, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I’m sure this was a mistake, this one’s on me….

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:39 PM

The logic deployed by him is mindboggling. Why they think criticism of Romney is some personal attack on them is beyond comprehension.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:35 PM

But don’t you dare accuse them of being a cult of personality. That is slanderous and beyond the pale!/

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Heh. Romney has no personality to dedicate to. But he does have a campaign to win, and those that support that goal aren’t going to let attacks go unanswered.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:38 PM

If Romney were the kind of politician you rombots make him out to be, he wouldn’t need help from a bunch of semi-anonymous blog commenters. But wasn’t it upthread here, or perhaps on one of today’s earlier threads, where I was told these comments don’t matter anyway?

/PretzelLogicFail

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Romney handled it perfectly.

And exteremly honestly.

Unlike his critics he didn’t need to resort to lies to make his points.

Romney is so refreshing. Politcs gets so OLD! All the gottchas. It is so stupid! Romney just tells it like it is.

We are all disappointed in the ruling… that is no reason to take it out on Romney. Grow up people.

petunia on July 5, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Romney handled it perfectly.

And exteremly honestly.

Unlike his critics he didn’t need to resort to lies to make his points.

Romney is so refreshing. Politcs gets so OLD! All the gottchas. It is so stupid! Romney just tells it like it is.

We are all disappointed in the ruling… that is no reason to take it out on Romney. Grow up people.

petunia on July 5, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I’d say I missed you, but that’d be a lie. And that’s why I’d make a lousy politician.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:44 PM

The more I think about it, the more I think you must be a moby. After all the screeching from the rombotsabout how staying home helps Obama, you can’t possibly be a serious conservative.

We really need a better class of trolls around here.

gryphon202 on July 5, 2012 at 11:30 PM

History shows that the best defense is a good offense. The subject matter doesn’t necessarily matter. Ya think this might be one of those cases?

ManWithNoParty on July 5, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Not so…we’re cultists, dedicated to a personality, etc. I don’t have to make it up…those comments can be found in this thread alone.

changer1701 on July 5, 2012 at 11:35 PM

The cultists theme comes from you being personally offended by criticisms directed at Romney and his campaign team by people who say they will vote for him despite how we feel, but only because Obama hares America.

I understand you are a big supporter of Romney. There’s nothing wrong with that. There is something wrong with the vitriol you send my way because I’m very very skeptical of what Romney tells me. I just don’t believe him. I cant take him at his word. You can. And on that we are just going to have to disagree.

Just try to remember we all want Obama gone, but we are also going to have to keep Romney’s feet to the fire and make sure he doesn’t change his tune if/when he’s elected. We have good reason to think that he will, I hope I’m wrong, but ignoring his faults wont help anything.

Spliff Menendez on July 5, 2012 at 11:44 PM

How many stupid moron Republicans want Romney to fail just because their golden boy (Newt, Santy, Perry, Paul) didn’t get the nomination?

If Romney as Governor of Massachusetts had Republican majorities in both Houses of the state legislature, he would have been a much different governor.

I live in Massachusetts. If all you people from outside of this corrupt state realized just what he was up against and what he was able to accomplish despite this, you would admire him.

Go ahead and research it…super duper majorities of corrupt Democrats could have overridden any of his vetoes.

The state who re-elected murderer Ted Kennedy into offife time and time again. The state who had three consecutive House Speakers charged with felonies…

Romney is a great alternative to ()Bama…don’t fool yourselves!!!!!

ProfessorTombstone on July 5, 2012 at 11:45 PM

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