A fun Independence Day list of things that are now considered taxes

posted at 11:11 am on July 4, 2012 by J.E. Dyer

If you have decided to go along with Chief Justice Roberts and agree that Obamacare is a tax, now is the time to contemplate the many things this reading will allow Congress to require you to do.

The list is literally endless, because of the endless number of things ideologues can come up with.  But these are some of the top tunes.

1.  Congress can force you to buy an electric car.

2.  Congress can force you to buy solar panels.

3.  Congress can force you to buy and install a remote-control thermostat for your home.

4.  Congress can force you to buy internet service.

5.  Congress can force you to buy particular kinds of food.

6.  Congress can force you to buy contraceptives for yourself.

7.  Congress can force you to buy biofuels, even if you don’t have any use for them.

8.  Congress can force you to donate to political causes and “charities.”

9.  Congress can force you to pay union dues.

10. Congress can force you to buy the New York Times.

11. Congress can force you to buy “green travel” packages.

12. Congress can force you to buy a 3-bedroom, 2-bath townhome with a 1-car parking spot for your electric car.

13. Congress can force you to pay for soccer, gymnastics, and ballet lessons for your children.

14. Congress can force you to pay for a gym membership.

15. Congress can force you to rent a 2-bedroom apartment with no parking space.

16. Congress can force you to borrow money.

17. Congress can force you to pay for a state-college education for your children, regardless of where or whether they actually attend college.

17. Congress can force you to buy a goat.

19. Congress can force you to hire people.

20. Congress can force you to buy mass transit passes, whether you use mass transit or not.

The list could go on and on.  After all, if fining people for not buying health insurance is the same thing as a “tax,” then fining them for not spending on other things is also a tax.

We rarely make important distinctions in our politics anymore, and that is a great menace to our idea of liberty and limited government.  We must not let our concept of the purpose and character of a tax be corrupted, precisely because taxing us is a power accorded Congress in the Constitution.  The definition of “tax” is, in fact, the most important limit on what Congress can do with its power to tax. In the wake of the Obamacare ruling, defining “tax” is defending our liberty – or, from the opposite perspective, attacking it.

This is not a minor point.  Definitions are central to the idea of constitutionalism.  We have let government dig into our pockets in so many different ways that many Americans have lost sight of the importance of definitions, but it is fatal to our liberty if we accept that any old way the government might make us spend money is a “tax.”  It’s not.  Taxes produce revenue for the government as their primary purpose and first-order effect.

I recommend reading Federalist 30-36 to discern the prevailing view of taxes at the time of our founding, as a revenue-production measure for the expenses of government. Count the number of times you see the word “revenue.”  In Federalist 30, Alexander Hamilton makes an illuminating distinction between having power over the people’s lives and having the power to tax:

In the Ottoman or Turkish empire, the sovereign, though in other respects absolute master of the lives and fortunes of his subjects, has no right to impose a new tax.  The consequence is that he permits the bashaws or governors of provinces to pillage the people without mercy; and, in turn, squeezes out of them the sums of which he stands in need, to satisfy his own exigencies and those of the state. In America, from a like cause, the government of the Union has gradually dwindled into a state of decay, approaching nearly to annihilation. Who can doubt, that the happiness of the people in both countries would be promoted by competent authorities in the proper hands, to provide the revenues which the necessities of the public might require?

Read the whole paper; it is clear that Hamilton viewed federal taxation as a revenue-raising measure, and not as a means of exercising mastery over the people’s lives and fortunes (e.g., regulating, penalizing, or social- or environmental-engineering the people).  If we have come to see federal taxation in the latter light, it is not because such a purpose can be read into the Constitution or the Framers’ intent.  We have a choice to accept the statist-interventionist mentality on taxes, or not.  The most important thing we can do today is affirm limits on Congress’s power to tax, by requiring narrow definitions.

I am encouraged that the Romney campaign has declined to agree that Obamacare is a tax.  People need to read the Constitution.  Whatever we accept as a “tax,” Congress has the power to make us pay.  The Obamacare purchase mandate is not a tax, and neither is the fine for not buying health insurance.  If we agree that they are taxes, the constitutional republic is lost.

J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative.

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Told you to get that Volt while ya still have a color
choice !

Lucano on July 4, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Replace “Force you to” with “Tax you don’t”, and this is just a statement of what has been going on for decades. As long as Congress continues to have the power to set tax “credits” and “deductions” based on anything they want, we will suffer this kind of control.

Count to 10 on July 4, 2012 at 11:17 AM

First ! In honor of Mr Bishop of course !

Lucano on July 4, 2012 at 11:19 AM

How can today even be considered as a reflection of the American fight for liberty, against tyranny. The same tyranny which was predicated upon … repressive taxation and an unresponsive governing power. The very same thing that we have now, only far worse.

I want to vomit, at what this nation and “the People” have become.

“Land of the free” – yeah, right.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Ah, but can they force us to buy guns?

Steven Den Beste on July 4, 2012 at 11:28 AM

The Democratic Congress passed a head tax (calling it something else, but showing their hand by using the IRS to collect it) of $695 per year on every person in the country, but you can get out of paying the tax by buying the right kind of insurance just the same as you can deduct from your income tax the interest you pay if you borrow the right kind of debt.

There is nothing new there other than it being a head tax (perfectly legal, although political poison).

Roberts has unmasked the Obamacare penalty. Do we really want a national head tax and all that can lead us to (your list is a good start)?

fadetogray on July 4, 2012 at 11:28 AM

O/T here is a Romney ad released today. Pretty good ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmxG5Ta3N0&feature=player_embedded

txmomof6 on July 4, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Congress can force you to continue to support the Parasite Class so that they can live of the fruits of your labors. Wouldn’t want to hurt their self-esteem or anything.

skanter on July 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM

5. Congress can force you to buy particular kinds of food.

They already do this. Try buying raw milk. It’s illegal for farmers to sell it. Monsanto is making it harder and harder for farmers to grow non genetically engineered vegetables and cotton.

AubieJon on July 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM

If the timid, dependent sheep in this country don’t speak up and act, they’ll be no better than the mindless Eloi depicted in H.G. Wells “The Time Machine”.

rplat on July 4, 2012 at 11:36 AM

5. Congress can force you to buy particular kinds of food.

They already do this. Try buying raw milk. It’s illegal for farmers to sell it. Monsanto is making it harder and harder for farmers to grow non genetically engineered vegetables and cotton.

AubieJon on July 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I should add that Monsanto, Bayer, et al are doing this with the help of Congress, who like being romanced by lobbyists.

AubieJon on July 4, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Congress can force you to buy and install a remote-control thermostat for your home.

It’s worse than that D.E.

This administration’s DOE has proposed policies whereby local utilities would have access to your “remote-control thermostat” via IPv6 over the Internet so the government can “help” you set your thermostat to “appropriate levels”.

Carol Browner (climate czar, in 2009): “We need to make sure that we’re moving electricity in the smartest way and using the most cost-effective electricity at the right time. Eventually, we can get to a system where an electric company will be able to hold back some of the power so that maybe your air-conditioner won’t operate at its peak. So you’ll still be able to cool your house, but that will be a savings to the customer.” In other words, control of your life belongs to the state, not to you.

If BHO is re-elected gird your loins for every possible socialist dream for America coming true.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 4, 2012 at 11:39 AM

17. Congress can force you to buy a goat.

I particularly like this one and think it’s just the right thing to do. Now you not only can save the environment by not using those evil lawnmowers that spew fumes but Moochelle will feel good about your kids getting quality goat’s milk every morning and you can eat lean white meat at night.

fadetogray on July 4, 2012 at 11:28 AM
You are wrong. Even Roberts agreed that the mandate cannot be a direct “head” tax since it is not levied equally on each and every “head”. Direct taxes are collected by the states based on the number of “heads” and moochers don’t go free.

But I also agree with Rush Limbaugh. It’s time to stop talking about whether it’s a mandate or a tax or a rubber ducky and simply realize that we must – even if it includes voting for Romney or whoever wins the GOP ballot – get rid of Obama and ObamaCare, through any and every legal means possible.

I threw in that “legal means” so I wouldn’t go on the terrorist watch list.

katablog.com on July 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM

We have been in the post-Constitutional phase of the American Republic since sometime around the New Deal.

Anyone who talks about that document as if it still has meaning or still applies is a fool. All that matters are the political beliefs of nine people who sit on the court.

ALL of our institutions have failed. How could we end up $16 trillion in debt otherwise? How could we have a tax on the books that only five unelected bureaucrats voted for instead of the mandate voted upon by our elected representatives?

Roberts worried about his legitimacy and that of his court. He need not worry any longer because he has removed all doubt. He will have the accolades of the elite who would rule us and he will have the contempt of the common man who would be free. He chose sides and he will reap the result.

He should be hounded unto the end of his days and the word “traitor” should ring in his ears every time he steps into public.

And the Republican establishment should know that if they fail to repeal this abomination they will cease to exist as a party.

Voluble on July 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Congress can force you to bend over and cough. They’ve always been good at forcing us to do that.

Philly on July 4, 2012 at 11:51 AM

O/T here is a Romney ad released today. Pretty good ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmxG5Ta3N0&feature=player_embedded

txmomof6 on July 4, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Nice ad I guess, it will appeal to the already engaged, but these ads sans words will never reach the independent, low info, not paying attention, middle!

The sheeple need stuff read to them in 30 second sound bites as they are like little children with short attention spans! The vast majority in todays culture are incurious, uncaring, unengaged, even most times ignorant!
To reach those we need short bursts of easily absorbed info spoken sternly, yelled, rapped, or sung!
hell I couldn’t watch that whole thing ya think the unengaged will.
That is the beauty of Palins messaging, short, to the poin,t cut to the chase, sound bites, all can understand. DEATH PANELS! LARGEST TAX IN HISTORY! Said! NOT read, the unengaged do not read they listen as they are going about their business
Until the Repunks get rid of these ad experts that produce these docudrama ads my wallet stays shut! None of my money will be wasted on this kind of preaching to the choir!
My suspicion is these experts doing these long winded read only ads are working for Obama who at every opportunity TELLS THE SHEEPLE WHAT TO THINK!

ConcealedKerry on July 4, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Why does this remind me of the plot from ‘Escape from LA?

EnglishRogue on July 4, 2012 at 11:57 AM

How many times can we say that Roberts opened up a can of worms. Now more than ever we need a Tea Party installed Congress that will write and pass laws that will limit the taxing powers of our federal government.

Rovin on July 4, 2012 at 11:59 AM

The way this blog post is terribly written… congress could force you to do most of that stuff anyway… and it may be constitutional…

The problem is that congress now has the power to tax you as a consequence of you not doing something else.

ninjapirate on July 4, 2012 at 12:03 PM

O/T here is a Romney ad released today. Pretty good ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmxG5Ta3N0&feature=player_embedded

txmomof6 on July 4, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Too long, 2 minutes in you still don’t know what its point is.

obladioblada on July 4, 2012 at 12:04 PM

The power to destroy.

Ahhhhh, yes I remember a couple of years ago when I referred to him as the DOTUS (Destroyer of the United States).

I thought is that too harsh?

Am I being to over the top?

Now, unfortunately I see I was right
(and accidentally or intentionally…….we get the same results).

PappyD61 on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 PM

You are wrong. …

katablog.com on July 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Maybe, but if Roberts can say a penalty looks like a tax, can’t I get just a little slack regarding my minor adjustments to the plain meanings of words to make them fit what I want them to say? Can’t we all just get along?

Seriously, though, whether or not it is technically a head tax doesn’t affect the meaning of my comment.

fadetogray on July 4, 2012 at 12:06 PM

There is actually bad news within the bad news here, and it does relate to definitions. The SCOTUS just blazed a new trail in lawlessness – even for it – by writing legislation that breezily ignores all existing tax law and precedent (namely its own).

Still waiting for the tax law geeks to spell it out authoritatively, but there’s little doubt that Roberts’ absurd new tax on inactivity runs afoul of both the constitution and precedent in the area of federal taxation. It doesn’t fit in any existing category and doesn’t pass any of the tests (this ignores that it was literally written from the bench). I’ve pretty much written off the system and country, but whether there is any pushback on the huge technical/legal outrage committed here will be a useful indicator of whether we have in fact passed beyond the point of no return.

JE you’re right, definitions are everything. The way words have ceased to mean anything is a key element in lawlessness.

The Fourth is now a memorial, not a celebration.

IceCold on July 4, 2012 at 12:08 PM

1. Congress can force you to buy movie tickets to prop up the Hollywood arm of the democratic party.

2. If you live in a city you must pay the bus ticket/rail tax in order to free up the streets. The political elites are so tired of commoners clogging the traffic lanes.

3. New inhale/exhale tax for breathing – also called Obamacare

4. The television viewing tax will be a windfall of income for the government. If you don’t watch t.v. then you will need to pay the non-conformist tax.

5. The Tivo tax for not watching the commercials.

6. The turning the radio dial when an ad comes on tax. Extra tax for not listening to that annoying sleep mattress guy who likes to yell.

7. The donor/blood drive tax levied against all who choose not to donate/give blood.

8. The communist/socialist tax will be levied against Americans who refuse to follow these doctrines.

9. The flushing tax – applied every time Congress and our judicial system flush the constitution down the toilet.

10. The Peace Core tax levied against those who do not join.

Ibanez Lotus on July 4, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Guy’s, keep it simple… there are a lot of bad things congress could do that are constitional….

The problem with the Roberts ruling is that congress now has the power to tax things that are not actually meant to raise revenue but to modify behaviour. If the “tax” worked completely no money would actually be raised. A tax not intended to raise money is not a tax.

ninjapirate on July 4, 2012 at 12:11 PM

I recommend reading Federalist 30-36 to discern the prevailing view of taxes at the time of our founding, as a revenue-production measure for the expenses of government. Count the number of times you see the word “revenue.” In Federalist 30, Alexander Hamilton makes an illuminating distinction between having power over the people’s lives and having the power to tax:

and Woodrow Wilson turned it all on it’s head with the creation of the IRS nearly 100 years ago.

Woody has long since gone to his ahem……”reward” but his legacy keeps giving and has turned the nation of strong independent types that built the Transcontinental railroad and explored the Far West ……..into a bunch of shreiking welfare queens talking about “ObamaMoney” and “his stash”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

Lord help us.

PappyD61 on July 4, 2012 at 12:12 PM

“FORCE” me to do those enumerated things?

Come try.

irongrampa on July 4, 2012 at 12:14 PM

and you think ObamaCare is going to leave alone behavior like riding your Harley? Skydiving? Skiing? Mountain biking?

Imagine the taxes that will be imposed?

chief justice roberts just opened the floodgates wide for TAXSUNAMI!

PappyD61 on July 4, 2012 at 12:15 PM

We’re totally screwed.
Now we get to see, up close and personal, what tyranny is really like.

justltl on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

In some ways, China is more free than the USA. You can smoke anywhere you want. You can buy live animals (chickens, ducks, etc.) and have them slaughtered and prepared for you. Milk is not a part of the Chinese diet, but if it was, I have no doubt you could get raw milk if you wanted it (however, it’s not ideal land to raise cows). In many areas of the country all you have to do to start a business is roll up your garage door and start selling things. I could go on…

I don’t think it’s more free in those ways because China cherishes freedom, but because it’s closer to being the wild west over there.

The Rogue Tomato on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,” Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative

…think I may have to look her up more!

KOOLAID2 on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

“Obama made me buy this t-shirt.”

Your welcome.

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Everyone had better start considering the alternatives to such tyranny.

southsideironworks on July 4, 2012 at 12:20 PM

*sigh. “you’re”

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:20 PM

They won’t force you to buy a Volt, they’ll just tax any conventional engine over 1300ccs at $1 per cc over, payable yearly.

They do this in Europe and most 3rd world countries.

CorporatePiggy on July 4, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I am encouraged that the Romney campaign has declined to agree that Obamacare is a tax.

Me too, but I think we have mostly lost that argument.

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I had held that Obama and Obamacare were actually a blessing. The Roberts decision may be one too in that it clarifies the new battle lines. One silly personal consolation is that there is a remnant of sanity alive and well at HotAir.

I don’t know how big this remnant is, but for now, for me, it doesn’t matter.

It’s nice to know on this happy birthday for the US that I am not so alone.

Thank you all.

Quetzal on July 4, 2012 at 12:22 PM

The power to tax has now been used in a grotesque and wicked fashion…and is now an absolute perversion of it’s original intent. Is it a surprise to anyone that the Obama administration is the one that figured out how to do it?

lynncgb on July 4, 2012 at 12:23 PM

JE you’re right, definitions are everything. The way words have ceased to mean anything is a key element in lawlessness.

The Fourth is now a memorial, not a celebration.

IceCold on July 4, 2012 at 12:08 PM

INSURANCE for PRE EXISITING CONDITIONS is NOT INSURANCE it is SOCIALISM/WELFARE!

They have Bastardized the language and the ignorant Repunks have let them get away with it.
We have no gatekeepers only weasels guarding the hen house!

ConcealedKerry on July 4, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Nancy Pelosi would force us (all) to be Democrats…

Khun Joe on July 4, 2012 at 12:27 PM

If the Kenyan King Odinga has his way they’ll be no congress forcing you to do anything but pay fealty and cede all of what you are to him i.e. be a subject.

LizardLips on July 4, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I don’t think it’s more free in those ways because China cherishes freedom, but because it’s closer to being the wild west over there.

The Rogue Tomato on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM

They are still trying to grow the Golden Goose. They have not yet gotten to the point of carving off its flesh. Since they have no rules preventing them from doing it (like a government limiting constitution), it won’t be long now before they do. It won’t take them hundreds of years to kill it. They could easily slaughter it in their first serious economic downturn.

fadetogray on July 4, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Haven’t they have already been doing it?
Buy a car that gets low gas mileage…pay the “gas guzzler” tax.

Make too much money, pay the “rich pay higher income tax rates” tax.

Drive a diesel-fueled car & pay the “you should have bought a gasoline-powered vehicle” tax in the form of higher taxes for diesel than gasoline.

The whole ObamaCare was just a scam to raise taxes. Congress & Obama fooled us.

albill on July 4, 2012 at 12:40 PM

4. Congress can force you to buy internet service

…and THEY will control the content!

KOOLAID2 on July 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Everyone had better start considering the alternatives to such tyranny.

southsideironworks on July 4, 2012 at 12:20 PM

We could always pack up and move to the United States of America!
Land of the free. Home of the brave.

Oh….wait.

justltl on July 4, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Roberts screwed us and hard . He should be forced out or retire.

CW on July 4, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Could Congress force you to not join a union? Or vote Republican? Or not hire anyone without authentic and appropriate identification? Or not to donate to Democratic causes? If it’s a tax, you only need 51 votes, right?

BKeyser on July 4, 2012 at 1:02 PM

O/T here is a Romney ad released today. Pretty good ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmxG5Ta3N0&feature=player_embedded

txmomof6 on July 4, 2012 at 11:31 AM

That’s not a Romney ad, it’s very good but was released by a Tea Party member several years ago.

AZfederalist on July 4, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Some Tea Party supported right-wingers resisted the California electric utilities’ efforts to force every residential electric user to have a “smart meter” installed in our homes. After a battle with the “regulators”, the Public Utilities Commission, which, of course, is in cahoots with the utilities, we won a compromise.
We can, and I have, “opted out” of having a “smart meter” installed. Not having the smart meter installed costs me $75 up front (fee, penalty, tax?) plus $10 every month from here to eternity, all for NOT getting a new device, which device would allow the utility and its government pals to spy on and regulate our every electric use.
This is another harbinger.
We are losing our freedoms incrementally, little by little.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Oh….wait.

justltl on July 4, 2012 at 12:59 PM

That feeling of cold stone is your back up against a wall. :) Welcome to the castle keep!

I remember when the fight was still in the field. Ah, good times.

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 1:34 PM

#21 Congress can kiss my a$$!!

sonnyspats1 on July 4, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Lets not forget: Congress can also make you purchase these items for others as well!

This ruling give Congress the power to do what ever they desire.

Why do so many think they will be spared? What the heck does the lapdog media hope to gain? I simply cannot wrap my head around this refusal to address prudence?

General America on July 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM

lynncgb on July 4, 2012 at 12:23 PM

“Something Wicked This Way Comes” RB

chemman on July 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM

A Conservative Congress can force us to buy conservative stuff:

Guns and ammo
pittbulls
Rottweilers
SUVs
Beer
Lifetime NRA membership
Lifetime NASCAR membership
Force you to buy T-Bone steak
Force you to buy a large American Flag
Force you to buy “Kick a Liberal in the NUTZ” bumper stickers

Plenty of good stuff like above ! :D

BigSven on July 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM

With the health care ruling, SCOTUS just forced me to buy a unicorn.

MrKleenexMuscles on July 4, 2012 at 1:59 PM

GaltBlvnAtty on July 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Nice pyric victory. I waiting for the day they try to install a smart meter or remote controlled programmable thermostat on/in my house. It will be useless since I live off grid and do not have electric lines or phone land lines and do not use a smart phone.
It will be a monumental waste of money and resources and the moment they leave I will uninstall it.

chemman on July 4, 2012 at 1:59 PM

BigSven on July 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM

It is nice to speculate about pay back but if were truly conservative it wouldn’t do that.

chemman on July 4, 2012 at 2:01 PM

“Kick a Liberal in the NUTZ” bumper stickers

BigSven on July 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Do such things exist? I like that.

AZfederalist on July 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Congress can be forced to take a FLYING LEAP to hell before I buy anything they tell me to as well.

wildcat72 on July 4, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Congress can make us buy Barrackoli (broccoli)

Not-a-Marxist on July 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM

All the more reason to make a difference at the ballot box.

FerdtheMoonCat on July 4, 2012 at 2:53 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/french-budget-adds-7-billion-euros-taxes-rich-100603279–business.html

Tax on net worth (which is what remained after you paid tax first tine around)on top of income, coming to a place near you.

bayview on July 4, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Tax on net worth (which is what remained after you paid tax first tine around)on top of income, coming to a place near you.

bayview on July 4, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Just the next step on the road to socialist/communist tyranny. After they run out of other peoples’ money, they go after other peoples’ assets. I suspect a large outflux of wealthy French folks to more friendly climes will begin soon.

AZfederalist on July 4, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Tax churches that refuse to perform same sex marriages.

tom daschle concerned on July 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM

The Obamacare purchase mandate is not a tax, and neither is the fine for not buying health insurance. If we agree that they are taxes, the constitutional republic is lost.

J.E., I didn’t see the /sarc indicating your sarcasm was turned off. John Roberts just told you Congress can force you to purchase a product from a private entity, and if you don’t, the government will take money from you under the tax code because you didn’t. If it looks like a duck and quack’s like a duck, it’s a duck. I’ve got news for you, the mandate is a tax according to the SCOTUS and the constitutional republic is lost.

TulsAmerican on July 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Just some thoughts, appropriate for this day:

“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy), was a philosopher, essayist poet and novelist.

patch on July 4, 2012 at 4:24 PM

“Congress can force you ,,,,,,”

No, they can’t. I won’t. Not gonna happen.

poteen on July 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM

The last time a government tried to dictate a tax and force us to buy something from them ended up with a party in Boston Harbor and thousands of patriots messing up the guys in the pretty red coats…

Wolftech on July 4, 2012 at 4:36 PM

tom daschle concerned on July 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Tax libtards for being a waste of oxygen. Do it for the planet!

Wolftech on July 4, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Since the broccoli argument carried the day, let’s all send Justice Roberts a packet of broccoli with the note “Eat Me”.

ss396 on July 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM

America today:

We can’t check the ID of a voter to ensure they are legally eligible to vote; we give people who live here illegally state and federal tax payer monies and in some cases affirmative action in hiring.

Meanwhile, the IRS and HHS are building a not-so-small army to verify that citizens have health insurance and if found lacking, force us to comply to whatever their will is at the time, under penalty of law.

For that matter, in the post Robert’s Tax Ruling America, what *can’t* the government force us to do under threat of some penalty/tax cum force?

DrDeano on July 4, 2012 at 5:02 PM

YOU SEEM TO MISS A BIGGER POINT!!!!!!!

1. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your Neighbor’s new electric car.

2. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s new solar panels.

3. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE a remote-control thermostat for your neighbor’s home.

4. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s internet service.

5. Congress can force you to buy particular kinds of food.

6. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s contraceptives.

7. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s biofuels, even if you don’t have any use for them.

8. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s political causes and “charities.”

9. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s union dues.

10. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s New York Times.

11. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s “green travel” packages.

12. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s 3-bedroom, 2-bath townhome with a 1-car parking spot for your electric car.

13. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s soccer, gymnastics, and ballet lessons for their children.

14. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s gym membership.

15. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s 2-bedroom apartment with no parking space.

16. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s borrowing money.

17. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s state-college education for their children, regardless of where or whether they actually attend college.

17. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s goat.

19. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s hireiring people.

20. Congress can force you to SUBSIDIZE your neighbor’s mass transit passes, whether you use mass transit or not.

ain’t Barry World Great

roflmao

donabernathy on July 4, 2012 at 7:23 PM

“Babylon 5″ By Any Means Necessary (1994) ” You should never hand someone a gun unless you are sure where they will point it. Your mistake.”

this “tax” mandate to force someone to do something they don’t want…can we make it so offensive to liberals that they’ll get on board to a constitutional amendment to make them impossible to do again?

buy a gun, or be taxed.

for every electric or hybrid vehicle you own, an american-made muscle car or pickup truck must also be owned, or be taxed.

for every solar panel owned, you must purchase one ton of coal. or be taxed.

the list is endless.

warhorse_03826 on July 4, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Read the whole paper; it is clear that Hamilton viewed federal taxation as a revenue-raising measure, and not as a means of exercising mastery over the people’s lives and fortunes (e.g., regulating, penalizing, or social- or environmental-engineering the people).

Sorry, J.E., but you’re wrong. That is precisely what Hamilton wanted. He was just being a sly politician, talking out of both sides of his mouth. Read the book “Hamilton’s Curse” for a full understanding of what sort of country and federal government he ACTUALLY wanted.

Still, your overall point is true… there’s nothing the feds can’t justify forcing a citizen to purchase for the sheer fact that they breathe.

Hootie on July 4, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Roberts must be a fan of the Declaratory Act: Parliaments assertion that their power to tax the colonies extended to “all cases whatsoever.” Weird, I once thought he was a federalist.

AshleyTKing on July 4, 2012 at 11:22 PM

21. Congress can force you to grow wheat.

AshleyTKing on July 4, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Roberts did not expand Federal power by one iota. Congress had this power both prior to and after his decision.

MJBrutus on July 5, 2012 at 6:14 AM

– Congress can force you to subsidize your libtard neighbor’s yard signs and bumper stickers and mailings and campaign junkets .. oh wait…
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CaveatEmpty on July 5, 2012 at 9:30 AM

J.E., Dyer: Each item asserting something Congress can force you to do should be hyperlinked to a source. If you had done that, your post would have been useful to conservatives endeavoring to persuade progressives of the value of liberty and the need to protect it by limiting government’s power.

Cynthia Yockey -- A Conservative Lesbian on July 5, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Congress can force you to listen to Obama’s speeches all day.
Congress can force you to follow Mooosehells diet plan.
Congress can force you to have a 18×24 inch picture of Harry Reid in your living room.

Herb on July 5, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Replace “Force you to” with “Tax you don’t”, and this is just a statement of what has been going on for decades. As long as Congress continues to have the power to set tax “credits” and “deductions” based on anything they want, we will suffer this kind of control.

Count to 10 on July 4, 2012 at 11:17 AM

You’re wrong. There’s a HUGE difference between relatively minor reward ($250 less taxes a year per kid for a person in the 25% tax bracket, a lot less than the kids costs . . .), or credit/deduction for something you can choose to do, and a penalty or fine for NOT doing something. Your logic would work if your taxes went UP already for not having a kid. If we all had to pay $250 per kid less than 4 in extra taxes, that would be wrong.

Credits to encourage behavior factor in choice, and I think they are only appropriate where the state has an interest, like growing the population to have a sustainable work force. Penalties for not doing something is a blow to freedom.

It’s called discernment. I don’t know how many femnazis I’ve heard claim that we can’t ban abortion because next we’d kick women out of the workforce and they’d lose all equality, as if there’s no such things as lines and definitions.

PastorJon on July 5, 2012 at 11:54 AM

If I had that much power I would force everyone to buy and read Atlas Shrugged. The profit gained would negate the force required.

jomondo44 on July 5, 2012 at 6:16 PM