Team Romney: No way are we declaring a “ceasefire” on health care

posted at 7:01 pm on July 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

The inevitable reassurance after Eric Fehrnstrom’s “not a tax” soundbite kicked off a new round of anxiety over Romney. When Allen West is on Fox News in primetime telling conservatives that it might be time for some new presidential campaign staff, you know the moment has come for damage control.

So is the Romney campaign, in fact, declaring a “cease-fire” on Obamacare? No, no, no, says Romney spokesman Ryan Williams. “From our perspective, Obamacare has been and will continue to be a central issue in the campaign,” says Williams. “It presents voters with a bright line that divides the two candidates. Gov. Romney is going to repeal Obamacare and President Obama is going to keep it. There is a clear choice in November.”…

Williams notes that Romney made a public statement, shortly after the Supreme Court decision was announced, pledging his continued determination to repeal the health care law. In addition, Romney’s “Day One” commercials, which prominently feature the promise to repeal Obamacare, are still playing in several states. The campaign also released a web ad after the Supreme Court decision, promising to keep up the Obamacare fight. It also made regular announcements on the amount of money the campaign raised from supporters who oppose the Supreme Court ruling. And Romney’s campaign website, MittRomney.com, is filled with emphatic promises to repeal Obamacare.

So much for National Journal’s “ceasefire” speculation this morning — although I do think Team Mitt expects it’ll be roundly forgiven by the right for letting this issue slip during the campaign so long as their chances of winning are increasing. If those horrible new manufacturing numbers signal a wider economic downturn and end up sending Romney out to, say, a consistent four-point lead, no one’s going to be clamoring for him to shift his messaging from the economy to a battle o’ the mandates. A few lines about O-Care in his stump speech will suffice. The only way in which this ends up center stage, I think, is if (a) Obama and Romney get into an extended “ObamaCare vs. RomneyCare” exchange at the debates, when health care will assuredly come up, or (b) if the economy surprises everyone and starts to grow faster, forcing Mitt to come up with a Plan B. ObamaCare — or ObamaTax, if Team Mitt is willing to embrace that argument — is a logical fallback plan, but in light of Fehrnstrom’s answer last night, it looks like the Romney campaign wouldn’t at all be comfortable fighting that fight. They can do it if they have to by focusing on the cost, rationing, etc, but my hunch is that they think public opinion’s already more or less cemented on this. (The fact that the needles haven’t moved much in the post-SCOTUS polls seems to confirm that suspicion.) If Obama’s leading by four in September thanks to an economic rebound, it’s hard to believe that the thousandth iteration of “one-size-fits-all health-care plans are bad” will make up the difference. (If the public believed that, they wouldn’t be so keen on Medicare, right?)

All of which is to say, the “ObamaCare = ObamaTax” argument might be the only thing left to say about the program that the public hasn’t heard before (much) and which might actually move the needle. Is Romney’s team willing to embrace it? Stephen Hayes urges him to bite the bullet:

It’s inconceivable that at least some of the campaign this fall will not focus on the differences between what Obama did at the federal level and what Romney did in Massachusetts, with the Obama campaign seeking to obscure those differences and Romney trying to accentuate them. Why not call it a tax and include those differences in that debate?…

“Romney is quickly proving himself to be what some of us expected, very reactionary without a clear alternative to Obamacare,” said one Republican congressman. “The American people want and need the truth from him. Romneycare was both legal and a failure at the state level. Romney should just come clean.”

“It doesn’t quite matter whether Romney calls this a tax, a penalty, or a potato. Voters will call it a tax and so will every other Republican candidate running for every other office,” [a Republican strategist] says. “It will be the most popular attack ad in Senate and House campaigns. Much like the president resisted the term Obamacare before he embraced it, we are two months away from even Romney calling it a tax. Gravity cannot be suspended.”

Is that the Hail Mary if Romney ends up trailing with only a few weeks to go — telling America that he’s learned the hard way what ambitious mandate-driven health-care programs can do and urging it to repent while it still has time, like some Ghost of Health-Care Christmas Future? Can’t imagine Team Mitt would be eager to run on a “my signature gubernatorial achievement was a terrible mistake” platform, but we’re gaming out worst-case scenarios here.

Here’s Allen West last night on Fox pushing the ObamaTax line and urging Romney to follow suit.



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Right on cue.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

You obviously missed the sarcasm.

its OK, when you grow up you may be able to discern one.

Now have your cookie and milk and say “Good night, Mother”. Sleep does a body well.

And please, please, say NO to drugs.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I guarantee Romney signs a repeal obamacare bill. He’s campaigned on it and not doing so would be political suicide.

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I should have been more clear.

There won’t be a bill to sign. The GOP leadership will make certain of it. There will be a dog and pony show and there might even be tears considering Boehner is involved, but they will be ‘forced’ into a compromise with the Democrats and Romney’s crew will get to do for the entire nation, what he did in Massachusetts.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

You may be right. Man I just can’t afford four more years of Obama.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Have no idea why some think that I can. And yet GOP choice is not a choice for me, either. Sadly so.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

If Gingrich was the nominee, someone would want to start a flame war.

Same with Santorum, same with any nominee. Everyone else pulled out but Romney. It’s over. All you guys are doing is just causing harm. And after a whole day of flaming anyone and everyone, the only reasonable conclusion is that you intend harm.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

There won’t be a bill to sign. The GOP leadership will make certain of it. There will be a dog and pony show and there might even be tears considering Boehner is involved, but they will be ‘forced’ into a compromise with the Democrats and Romney’s crew will get to do for the entire nation, what he did in Massachusetts.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

They are still clueless. (sigh…)

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Come on, man?!?!

1.I’m just on the side lines here. Stay in the pit. You look weak now.
2. That link is weak. No one cares about some d*&n dogs right now.

So stop shirking, get back in there and try harder. Get your pay.

BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Hey, looking “weak” whilst playing with extremist conservatives is real accomplishment, you must admit.

Canada is voting conservative these days…I doubt they would want you.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

By the time Romney is actually elected president, Canada will be North Minnesota.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Just listen to yourself. Had the GOP candidate been Perry, as an example only, would we even have this discussion today?

Honest answer, please.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Ah, think I found it. And yes… I was a Perry supporter at one time. There was all sorts of bellyaching and moaning from conservatives with their eye on another candidate at the time, many of them Newt supporters as I recall. I don’t think that would’ve resolved for some of them. Because, to be completely honest, I think some are still re-litigating the primary.

The primary is over though, and regardless of which candidate had emerged, even Newt whom I despised, I’d be supporting him now without all the bad-mouthing. I’d prioritize booting Obama.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Ooops. That should’ve been ‘quote’, not ‘strike’.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Had GOP candidate been anyone BUT Romney, would we be having this (and other) threads today on the actual repeal?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:53 PM

No. This would never have been an issue. Unfortunately it is now. The negatives are stacking up: Romneycare, Bain Capital, no public zeal, other than the fact that he is not Obama, what does he have? Yeah, right that SC ruling that was handed to him, yet he refuses to capitalize on it.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:00 PM

So, you refusing to answer the question for the third time pretty much proves you are full of it when insisting Romney will repeal. You guys really need to grown up.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

They are still clueless. (sigh…)

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Well all we are asking them to do is give up all hope and embrace despair. /

I can understand why they want to believe despite the evidence and GOP history. There are no good choices.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

You may be right. Man I just can’t afford four more years of Obama.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Hell, 300+million Americans can’t afford another four years either.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

What is an ‘extremist conservative?’

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

What are our choices?

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

You can sit there waiting for your liberal crapt sandwich [Michelle Malkin saying] to be delivered to you, OR you can get busy and FIND another choice all by yourself.

Don’t depend on the liberal media or the GOP. They never have had your best interests at heart. Only YOU can be trusted, right?

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Is that the Hail Mary if Romney ends up trailing with only a few weeks to go — telling America that he’s learned the hard way what ambitious mandate-driven health-care programs can do and urging it to repent while it still has time, like some Ghost of Health-Care Christmas Future? Can’t imagine Team Mitt would be eager to run on a “my signature gubernatorial achievement was a terrible mistake” platform, but we’re gaming out worst-case scenarios here.

i guess that’s what he has to do, if he wants to go with the “obamacare tax” line. i kinda wish he would just do this instead of still trying to defend romneycare. sigh.

Sachiko on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Hey, looking “weak” whilst playing with extremist conservatives is real accomplishment, you must admit.

I’v actually met a lot of extremists. Most of them on the left. Extremists are usually p**S***. Maybe there are some that aren’t. I don’t know. But I haven’t seen any here so far. Maybe 1 or 2. Maybe you.

BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Good night all!!

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Yeah, right that SC ruling that was handed to him, yet he refuses to capitalize on it.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Well. We are all assuming that Romney is “refusing”. Why not assume this is what he wanted all along? Being liebral and all and the father of RomneyCare.

Like I said, not too late to throw a big wrench into liberals’ plans and go brokered convention way.

In a year when every GOP pundit insists a rock will beat Hussein and anyone but Romney WILL repeal. GUARANTEED. And both Boehner and McConnell will be more than afraid to bleat otherwise.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

The negatives are stacking up: Romneycare, Bain Capital, no public zeal, other than the fact that he is not Obama, what does he have?
DDay on July 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Now darn it, it really bothers me when you underestimate Romney magnetic stage persona. The dude can rock.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

So, you refusing to answer the question for the third time pretty much proves you are full of it when insisting Romney will repeal. You guys really need to grown up.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Romney has said REPEATEDLY that his intention is to repeal. He said it again within hours of the Roberts’ decision, even before Obama had responded. It’s your irrational loathing of the man which has you insisting he won’t.

What’s with that? If Newt or Santorum or Perry say it, it’s believable? But Romney, not so much? That’s nuts.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM

So, you refusing to answer the question for the third time pretty much proves you are full of it when insisting Romney will repeal. You guys really need to grown up.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

No. He pretty much answered your question, you’re just too stupid to know it. You want everyone to read between the lines when you post, yet when people answer you, you can’t even be bothered to think about what they’ve said.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

What is an ‘extremist conservative?’

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Anyone who demands smaller government, actual representation from their representatives, won’t follow the GOP party line, refuses to vote for any RINO, gets involves in grass roots efforts… the list goes on.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Extremists are usually p**S***.
BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

OK, Pat, I’d like to buy a vowel.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Doggone it, RINO! Don’t you bother to read what the politicians are saying today?!?!

NONE of the GOP RINO’s are planning on REPEAL. At best they will put through some lame bill that effectively leaves 0bamacare in place. THAT IS REPORTED HERE AT HOTAIR!!!

I used to enjoy your relevant posts here. What the heck has happened to you?

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I am not optimistic about the chances of repeal. I am well aware that the RINOs don’t really care about repeal. My suspicion is not that they are a bunch of solid conservatives who we can count on. This is a sh*tty situation. I don’t deny that for a second.

My position is that the alternatives have not persuaded Republican primary voters that they are viable.

I’m happy to throw the RINOs out. I don’t think they’re particularly good. But I will do so if, and only if, the conservatives challenging them have at least a remote chance of winning. And if they can’t find a way to win over Republican primary voters, how in the hell are they going to do that?

Where we differ is that you seem to see no little or no substantive difference between the lefties and the RINOS, whereas I see, in the RINOs, people who don’t really care either way, and in the Democrats, people who care deeply about not only keeping this thing in place, but pushing even further to the left.

That doesn’t mean I deny in any way that these are cr@ppy options. I will dump these RINOs the moment I see even a possibility of conservatives winning. But I refuse to make symbolic gestures. I hate it when politicians cast symbolic, impotent votes that they know aren’t going to change anything, so I’m certainly not going to do the same with my own vote.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Well. We are all assuming that Romney is “refusing”. Why not assume this is what he wanted all along? Being liebral and all and the father of RomneyCare.

Like I said, not too late to throw a big wrench into liberals’ plans and go brokered convention way.

In a year when every GOP pundit insists a rock will beat Hussein and anyone but Romney WILL repeal. GUARANTEED. And both Boehner and McConnell will be more than afraid to bleat otherwise.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Seriously? Brokered convention? And just who is the recipient of our imaginary nomination?

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Romney has said REPEATEDLY that his intention is to repeal. …

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Well then, it MUST be true.

Sad.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

If you know all of this and have such great communication and leadership abilities why don’t you go third party? You’ve given up on the Republican party, so what the hell are you doing here?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

What is an ‘extremist conservative?’

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

ANSWER THE QUESTION.

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

You want everyone to read between the lines when you post, yet when people answer you, you can’t even be bothered to think about what they’ve said.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Sounds JUST LIKE YOU! Nothing surprising there as placing the blame for ones own faults is an old liberal trick.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Romney has said REPEATEDLY that his intention is to repeal. He said it again within hours of the Roberts’ decision, even before Obama had responded. It’s your irrational loathing of the man which has you insisting he won’t.

What’s with that? If Newt or Santorum or Perry say it, it’s believable? But Romney, not so much? That’s nuts.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Thanks for confirming.

Actually, I can believe Newt and Perry. Based don their records. With these two, as well as Cain, it would be a done deal.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Extremists are usually p**S***.
BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

OK, Pat, I’d like to buy a vowel.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

posers. I got the letter count wrong.

BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Sounds JUST LIKE YOU! Nothing surprising there as placing the blame for ones own faults is an old liberal trick.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Oh, brother. Just like me. I’ve been on HotAir how long? You’ve read how many of my threads?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

ANSWER THE QUESTION.

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I’ll take that one, Alex, for $1000.

Who are people capable of logic and thinking?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Seriously? Brokered convention? And just who is the recipient of our imaginary nomination?

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Who Else?

Ron Paul or Gary Johnson…saviors of the Republic! Guardians of the Galaxy! Hobbits of the Body Politic!

:eyeroll:

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

You can sit there waiting for your liberal crapt sandwich [Michelle Malkin saying] to be delivered to you, OR you can get busy and FIND another choice all by yourself.

Don’t depend on the liberal media or the GOP. They never have had your best interests at heart. Only YOU can be trusted, right?

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Oh, c’mon. There are TWO viable candidates. Romney or Obama. We don’t have a Time Machine in order to go back to last year and recruit new candidates.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Oh, brother. Just like me. I’ve been on HotAir how long? You’ve read how many of my threads?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

You are like a 92 year old driver causing a multi-vehicle accident.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

What is an ‘extremist conservative?’

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

ANSWER THE QUESTION.

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Nice shouting. HERE IS MY ANSWER: I FORGOT TO PUT INVERTED COMMAS AROUND ‘CONSERVATIVE.’

So you’re right, if I’m inferring correctly what you’re implying? There are only extremist “conservatives” here.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Who Else?

Ron Paul or Gary Johnson…saviors of the Republic! Guardians of the Galaxy! Hobbits of the Body Politic!

:eyeroll:

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Nuh uh!!! Really??? That’s laughable.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

You are like a 92 year old driver causing a multi-vehicle accident.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

You are like a three year old who cries his whole day away over being told no – once.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Thanks for confirming.

Actually, I can believe Newt and Perry. Based don their records. With these two, as well as Cain, it would be a done deal.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

That ship has sailed though.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Way to answer the question champ.

You are dishonest, insulting, incapable of debate…

You lack credibility. You have no integrity.

Nothing you will ever mash into the comment box furtermore will ever have a modicum of weight or influence.

So mash away your insane Alinsky bullsh*@ you f*#()ng ignoramus.

Love,
Tom Daschle

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

What do you consider yourself to be?

An Extremist Socialist?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

The question of the whole day for riddick and DannoJyd that will allow all of us slower thinkers to grasp a few straws of your wisdom and intellect is: “Who do you propose should be the nominee in place of Romney?”

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Nuh uh!!! Really??? That’s laughable.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Every time i hear it i do exactly that.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Oh, brother. Just like me. I’ve been on HotAir how long? You’ve read how many of my threads?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM

You are like a 92 year old driver causing a multi-vehicle accident.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Actually, pretty funny. Hot Air is way more entertaining at night.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Actually, pretty funny. Hot Air is way more entertaining at night.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Yeah, just not 92. Life goes by fast, but that is too fast.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM

As someone, when a child, who used to get corporal punishment administered often and with fervor, via belt and buckle, while refusing to show weakness and tears, I can only laugh at someone like you who has never stood up for anything in his miserable life.

Lack of character shows easily in useful idiots. Compromise and weak beliefs are what your life is all about.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Way to answer the question champ.

You are dishonest, insulting, incapable of debate…

You lack credibility. You have no integrity.

Nothing you will ever mash into the comment box furtermore will ever have a modicum of weight or influence.

So mash away your insane Alinsky bullsh*@ you f*#()ng ignoramus.

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

But does this mean our wedding is off? I just want to make sure I’m clear on that.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Just went to Drudge. Yes. Lots of stuff on Willard’s latest pratfalls, and Romney’s awkward jet-ski homage to Kerry’s infamous wind-surfing images is a dark omen for Team Stupid Romney.

casuist

Yep, it’s over. Americans hate it when someone celebrates the 4th of July holiday.

I hope nobody is fooled by a new load of BS dumping out of Romney’s mouth. I sure won’t, I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson Barack Obama regardless.

FloatingRock

FIFY

Hell,back in 2008 even Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh loved the guy.

Terrye

Ummmm…..no, they didn’t. They preferred him over McCain when it became clear that it would be one or the other. They tolerated him, but they did not love him. They still don’t.

xblade on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

That ship has sailed though.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Says who? Are we past GOP convention?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Funny. After all of the “answer-the-question” nonsense, these two can’t answer a simple question.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Every time i hear it i do exactly that.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I must’ve missed it. I don’t post too regularly. But damn…

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

The question of the whole day for riddick and DannoJyd that will allow all of us slower thinkers to grasp a few straws of your wisdom and intellect is: “Who do you propose should be the nominee in place of Romney?”

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Allen West.

bgibbs1000 on July 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Says who? Are we past GOP convention?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

So… who exactly is going to wrap up the nomination at a brokered convention then?

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

What do you consider yourself to be?

An Extremist Socialist?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

I’m a centrist. Extreme socialists vaporize on contact at Hot Air. We centrists are without question the most hated species of posters on the web. Hated by the Kossacks. Hated by the Hot Airheads.

Thankfully, there’s a place for us on the Romney campaign.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Can I assume that you’re in favor of collapsing the economy through the good orifices of Obamacare?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Funny. After all of the “answer-the-question” nonsense, these two can’t answer a simple question.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Actually, its been answered. Too bad you misse d it.

You are obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Past your bed time, per chance?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Says who? Are we past GOP convention?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Then who do you propose, you unprincipled weakling? Stand up for something. You can slash and burn, but when it comes time to tell the truth, you just clam up. Who are you proposing that we install over the will of the Republican primary voters as our nominee at the “brokered convention”.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

You’re a centrist socialist?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Says who? Are we past GOP convention?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

No, but again, barring someone altering this timeline, it’ll be pretty unusual to expect that Romney won’t be the nominee…

Besides, in your prior post you were imploring the rank and file to convince the GOP Overlords to agree to a Brokered Convention to pick someone other than Romney…so that must mean we have a perfect candidate in the wings, right?

I must’ve missed it. I don’t post too regularly. But damn…

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Not to worry, I usually laugh on schedule whenever i hear someone throw up one of the 3rd Party hopefuls name, as if i ‘m supposed to snap my fingers and go “By God, THAT’S the name I was waiting to hear!”

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

So… who exactly is going to wrap up the nomination at a brokered convention then?

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

You missed it, too? I listed some names already/

I have no idea. Perry? Newt? Sarah? Jindal? Hell, I don’t know, I am not a big fan of Ryan lately, but what the hell. Walker?

Anyone one of those would be a guarantee of the repeal.

In other words, anyone but a liberal squish with a proven liberal record. Any of those would also ensure that both Boehner and McConnell walk the straight line.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Can I assume that you’re in favor of collapsing the economy through the good orifices of Obamacare?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Obamacare is actually going to be great for creative start-ups – small software companies, for example. Entrepreneurs are going to be a lot less worried about taking healthcare risks by striking out on their own. We’re going to see a blossoming of growth in small business.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Actually, its been answered. Too bad you misse d it.

You are obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Past your bed time, per chance?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Ah. So now it’s a mystery. You’re going to change the Republican party from within by mentioning your proposed brokered-convention nominee once and only once, and if we didn’t “catch it” then were just not sharp.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 11:31 PM

lol

Heck, I hope they get to it soon. My coach is turning into a pumpkin here. I gotta hear this!

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I have no idea. Perry? Newt? Sarah? Jindal? Hell, I don’t know, I am not a big fan of Ryan lately, but what the hell. Walker?

Anyone one of those would be a guarantee of the repeal.

In other words, anyone but a liberal squish with a proven liberal record. Any of those would also ensure that both Boehner and McConnell walk the straight line.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

But not a single one of these people will take the job. They all either bowed out, or they didn’t run in the first place.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

You’re a centrist socialist?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Yes, I do believe you got the translation right. I just checked my Conservative-A-Ma-Jig translator and, yes, “centrist” comes out as “socialist centrist.” In fact, in Hot Airhead argot, you can just slap the adjective on anything that doesn’t wear no-wrinkle Dockers.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Considering that the real race has yet to begin, what makes you think that?

Don’t fall for the message of fail delivered to you by the political pundits or the slanted polls that leave other candidates out of their questions. Find a way to win.

Murf, don’t you fall for their lies. We can do anything if we put out the effort. Heck, one guy even made it into space this year without Big Government assistance.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

OK. So riddick throws in an “I don’t know”.

What say you DannoJyd? What are you proposing as a brokered convention nominee?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Give it up already.

Unlike you I lived in USSR, this SHIT does not work, as proven by, oh, 90 years already. Give or take.

Take a good look at life expectancy in USSR/Russia and get back to me. Government run health care, as is anything, has been PROVEN to be a HUGE FAILURE.

Not sure what killed more people, Stalin’s purges that wasted more than 43 MILLION of lives or government run healthcare. Probably about even and I speak from first person account, not only as resident of this hell, but a hospital patient, twice as it happens.

There is a pretty substantial repository of black humor based on Soviet health care system.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Allen West.

bgibbs1000 on July 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I am not opposed. I choose Gary Johnson merely because he will be on the ballot[s] in November, but I LIKE West.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:39 PM

OK. So riddick throws in an “I don’t know”.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

A moron stays a moron even when provided a clear, concise answer.

Pick from the list. ANY name is WAY better that the liberal squish you support.

You really need to up your meds. Speaking of which, is the hospital aware you’re using their office computer?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I have no idea. Perry? Newt? Sarah? Jindal? Hell, I don’t know, I am not a big fan of Ryan lately, but what the hell. Walker?

Anyone one of those would be a guarantee of the repeal.

In other words, anyone but a liberal squish with a proven liberal record. Any of those would also ensure that both Boehner and McConnell walk the straight line.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

All this bluster and the best you have is “I don’t know?” Flame everyone the whole day, and you just don’t know?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

You’re not a moron, Riddick. If you were, you’d be over at the DU or the DailyKook right now. You KNOW that’s not gonna happen.

You’re looking at half a loa, from what you’ve been saying. Understand that not only are you looking at no loaf with Obama, you’re going to get whatever loaf you’ve stashed away taken from you. The LAST CHANCE at preserving your liberty, not knowing where you will land, only knowing that the alternative is intolerable… is with Romney.

I’m listening to Levin right now. He just tore your argument to shreds… and he was right to do it.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

But not a single one of these people will take the job. They all either bowed out, or they didn’t run in the first place.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Wow, a moron hits just keep on coming.

Have you asked? Have the GOP?

Delusional assumptions, as always.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Can I assume that you’re in favor of collapsing the economy through the good orifices of Obamacare?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:27 PM

We’re going to see a blossoming of growth in small business.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

And as with every other government program, it’s costs will skyrocket and do even more damage down the road to the point of destroying the economy.

[Reference Greece, Spain for how this happens]

How is anything going to blossom when the economy collapses?

Or don’t you care about that happening as long as you get your ‘Free health care’ in the meantime?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

What are you proposing as a brokered convention nominee?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Just as the GOP kept 2 term Republican Governor Gary Johnson out of the debates I believe they will never allow a brokered convention. Heck, even the Ron Paul supporters I talked to at the MIGOP Convention know that!

See that? Ask a relevant question respectfully and you will get a respectful and relevant answer in kind. Isn’t that much better?

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

You missed it, too? I listed some names already/

I have no idea. Perry? Newt? Sarah? Jindal? Hell, I don’t know, I am not a big fan of Ryan lately, but what the hell. Walker?

Not one of these people you named are expected to have their names put up as an alternative…MAYBE Newt would, but that’s more due to ego than anything…and the numbers for Newt to win in a G.E against Obama were not there…hell they’re still not.

Anyone one of those would be a guarantee of the repeal.

No it would make it about the same as it would if Romney is the nominee or President…However, it will be a slam dunk guarantee if the GOP holds the House and gets the Senate…then yeah we do have it done.

In other words, anyone but a liberal squish with a proven liberal record. Any of those would also ensure that both Boehner and McConnell walk the straight line.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Hate to say it riddick, but the people that will best assure us that the Leadership will toe the line are the same people you want to ignore so as to have a Brokered Convention.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I guess I’ve gone from feeling anger towards you, to feeling sorry for you.

Wow, a moron hits just keep on coming.

Have you asked? Have the GOP?

Delusional assumptions, as always.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Have you asked? That is the real question. So you want a different nominee, but you want to make sure someone else asks for you?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Give it up already.

Unlike you I lived in USSR, this SHIT does not work, as proven by, oh, 90 years already. Give or take.

Take a good look at life expectancy in USSR/Russia and get back to me. Government run health care, as is anything, has been PROVEN to be a HUGE FAILURE.

Not sure what killed more people, Stalin’s purges that wasted more than 43 MILLION of lives or government run healthcare. Probably about even and I speak from first person account, not only as resident of this hell, but a hospital patient, twice as it happens.

There is a pretty substantial repository of black humor based on Soviet health care system.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Yes, let’s compare Obamacare to Stalin’s Russia in the mid-20th century. That’s logical. How about let’s do something really nutty and compare the USA today to any of the, well, three dozen countries with socialized medicine in 2012 and higher life expectancies than the USA?

Shoots. Scores. Game over.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/03/efforts-to-implement-obamacare-law-raise-concerns-massive-government-expansion/
Efforts to implement ObamaCare law raise concerns of massive government expansion

With the Supreme Court giving President Obama’s new health care law a green light, federal and state officials are turning to implementation of the law — a lengthy and massive undertaking still in its early stages, but already costing money and expanding the government.

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Let’s be straight: “Team Romney” sucks really bad.

But they’re still about a million times better than “Team Obama.”

So, I guess I’m not an “undecided” voter….

notropis on July 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I’m listening to Levin right now. He just tore your argument to shreds… and he was right to do it.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM

We’re talking brokered convention? Then I’ll agree to disagree with Levin on this issue. Just one of those rare times I disagree with the guy.

Russians have a saying. Hope dies last.

Until we are past the point of no return I hope we do the right thing and correct the course while we still can.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

See that? Ask a relevant question respectfully and you will get a respectful and relevant answer in kind. Isn’t that much better?

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Respectful. Relevant. You should read your posts from most of the day.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:46 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

A bunch of bureaucrats with no experience in the newly created profession of “managing all health care coverage”… No, even worst. A bunch of bureaucrats with degrees totally unrelated to the insurance industry… Wait, even worst , a bunch of bureaucrats that owe their allegiance and rising fortunes to this new “managing all healthcare transactions” bureaucracy…who get their jobs through politics and favor.

These bureaucrats and their sponsors are going to make this thing work? Be lean , mean and efficient? Do just what is right and no more then that? Is that how the fed works? Was that how Cuba worked? The USSR?

BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I think that, Danno, because it’s the Reality before us. We have ONE chance to stop Obama… one. And if we don’t stop him now, we’re done. We’ll be too deep in the entitlement culture to EVER recover. We’re almost there now. The damage to the Constitution is not irreparable, but it’s damned close. We HAVE to stop them from implementing this.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

“Who do you propose should be the nominee in place of Romney?”

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

All right! Two for two.

I think everyone realizes that the GOP will NEVER allow the candidate they selected to be replaced, so it would seem the only option left is to look outside of the GOP if we don’t want to vote for a liberal RINO.

Right now we know Gary Johnson will be on the ballot, but I could easily be swayed to vote for another IF that person is a Conservative with a proven track record like Johnson.

I don’t use the shopping channels nor do I buy into the GOP propaganda filled infomercials.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Actually, I can believe Newt and Perry. Based don their records. With these two, as well as Cain, it would be a done deal.

riddick

You mean the same Newt who supported a federal mandate before Romney even thought about running for governor, and who supported an individual mandate as recently as 2009? On the contrary, he may have been even less likely to sign a repeal.

I feel good about both Perry and Cain though, but it’s a moot point….they lost.

xblade on July 3, 2012 at 11:48 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Try using a real reference source for once.

And as with every other government program, it’s costs will skyrocket and do even more damage down the road to the point of destroying the economy.

[Reference Greece, Spain for how this happens]

How is anything going to blossom when the economy collapses?

Or don’t you care about that happening as long as you get your ‘Free health care’ in the meantime?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:49 PM

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

See, Murf? On Time Delivery, every time. LOL

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Danno – so if I understand this right, you support my googly-eyed former governor? And you don’t think he’ll ever be asked to be the nominee in a brokered convention? And realistically, what is the one and only role a third party candidate could play in this election?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Yes, let’s compare Obamacare to Stalin’s Russia in the mid-20th century.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

You obviously have NO IDEA of the subject.

Yes, THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME. Limited health care. Not enough doctors. Way not enough meds. I can go on and on.

Funny how I speak from actual experience and you refer to what? What your communist professors told you in school? Lies and more lies and subjects they had absolutely no first knowledge of?

People like you, useful morons, were the first wave Stalin and Co, exterminated once their usefulness was exceeded. Too bad the likes of you weren’t around then…

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Yes, let’s compare Obamacare to Stalin’s Russia in the mid-20th century. That’s logical. How about let’s do something really nutty and compare the USA today to any of the, well, three dozen countries with socialized medicine in 2012 and higher life expectancies than the USA?

Shoots. Scores. Game over.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

That mortality rate includes the Democratic enclaves of inner city kids cheerfully shooting each other. Factor that out and there isn’t much difference between western Europe and the US.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Steveangell on July 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

So… just who IS a viable Republican candidate? What are our choices?

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Santorum was. He understood the problem we face with Islam our biggest enemy on earth. He understood we must have GODs help to get us out of this mess. He learned porking was destroying America and he wants to save America.

He would have been far better than Obama or Romney. Newt would have been better perhaps the heartless Perry would have been even. But Mitt Romney is the better decision for Democrats not Republicans. Mitt is Obama on Steroids. In every way worse.

But Obama is better than Romney. Obama will have a far harder time moving the Progressive agenda and he will strengthen the Republican Conservatives.

John Bonehead the House leader is nearly as bad as Romney passing this Highway Pork fest.

Steveangell on July 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

And as with every other government program, it’s costs will skyrocket and do even more damage down the road to the point of destroying the economy.

[Reference Greece, Spain for how this happens]

How is anything going to blossom when the economy collapses?

Or don’t you care about that happening as long as you get your ‘Free health care’ in the meantime?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Nice. Let’s pick historically two basket-case economies and present them as standard-issue “big government” visions of America’s future.

That’s sensible.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:53 PM

There won’t be a bill to sign. The GOP leadership will make certain of it. There will be a dog and pony show and there might even be tears considering Boehner is involved, but they will be ‘forced’ into a compromise with the Democrats and Romney’s crew will get to do for the entire nation, what he did in Massachusetts.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

THIS TIMES ELEBENTY… everyone is going to be played for fools. All the Pubs want to do is replace Obamacare with Romneycare.

cajun carrot on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

You want to discuss reality? I’ve got some reality for ya!

I remember when people in both the GOP and the DNC establishment claimed we in the TEA Party movement wouldn’t accomplish much. I remember when the political pundits said the GOP was one and done for a generation. I remember how people like you thought they were right… until WE delivered the HISTORIC TEAnami of 2010!

Guess what! NOTHING is impossible for the people willing to WORK FOR IT! Only people like YOU, who have been effectively castrated by believing these damnfools, are incapable today of making a difference because you are too ‘busy’, but that isn’t for us.

We worked TOO DAMN HARD to put in place people who actually represent us, and if you won’t work for the same then just get out of our way because WE Real Americans HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US AGAIN!

TANSTAAFL is what every real American knows. The rest keep waiting to be served their Big Government chit sandwiches.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

A bunch of bureaucrats with no experience in the newly created profession of “managing all health care coverage”… No, even worst. A bunch of bureaucrats with degrees totally unrelated to the insurance industry… Wait, even worst , a bunch of bureaucrats that owe their allegiance and rising fortunes to this new “managing all healthcare transactions” bureaucracy…who get their jobs through politics and favor.

These bureaucrats and their sponsors are going to make this thing work? Be lean , mean and efficient? Do just what is right and no more then that? Is that how the fed works? Was that how Cuba worked? The USSR?

BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

I’m sure that bifidis will assure you that the ‘Progressive’ USSR was a “worker paradise” a heaven on earth brought to life by the wonderful Marxists and their KGB enforcers.

Besides, bifidis will also tell you that those experts will do a wonderful job – because they care more and know more than us mere mortals could ever know.

Right bifidis?

Chip on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

We’re talking brokered convention? Then I’ll agree to disagree with Levin on this issue. Just one of those rare times I disagree with the guy.

Russians have a saying. Hope dies last.

Until we are past the point of no return I hope we do the right thing and correct the course while we still can.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Try to catch a re-broadcast if you can. It wasn’t a polite take-down, but his points were valid.

I’m tired and I’m out. But think on this… there is NO hope with Obama. His tired rhetoric from 2008 was the Big Lie. Romney may be small hope in your eyes, but he’s the only viable hope we have. We either pull that ejection latch and hope for the best, or we spin in to a certain socialist future. Couple Roberts’ decision with the implementation of Obamacare, and that IS “the point of no return”.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 11:55 PM

You mean the same Newt who supported a federal mandate before Romney even thought about running for governor, and who supported an individual mandate as recently as 2009? On the contrary, he may have been even less likely to sign a repeal.

I feel good about both Perry and Cain though, but it’s a moot point….they lost.

xblade on July 3, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Yep, same Newt who only SAID he supports one as opposed to Romney who IMPLEMENTED one. Newt, who STOPPED HillaryCare, had he really wanted to suppor the idea wouldn’t he let Hillary implement it?

Learn the difference. If you don’t, then there is no hope for you.

Romney useful idiots keep proving how bad their candidate is. Unprompted.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 11:56 PM

You want to discuss reality? I’ve got some reality for ya!

I remember when people in both the GOP and the DNC establishment claimed we in the TEA Party movement wouldn’t accomplish much. I remember when the political pundits said the GOP was one and done for a generation. I remember how people like you thought they were right… until WE delivered the HISTORIC TEAnami of 2010!

Guess what! NOTHING is impossible for the people willing to WORK FOR IT! Only people like YOU, who have been effectively castrated by believing these damnfools, are incapable today of making a difference because you are too ‘busy’, but that isn’t for us.

We worked TOO DAMN HARD to put in place people who actually represent us, and if you won’t work for the same then just get out of our way because WE Real Americans HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US AGAIN!

TANSTAAFL is what every real American knows. The rest keep waiting to be served their Big Government chit sandwiches.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Respectful. And you’ve done this kind of thing all day.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 11:57 PM

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