Team Romney: No way are we declaring a “ceasefire” on health care

posted at 7:01 pm on July 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

The inevitable reassurance after Eric Fehrnstrom’s “not a tax” soundbite kicked off a new round of anxiety over Romney. When Allen West is on Fox News in primetime telling conservatives that it might be time for some new presidential campaign staff, you know the moment has come for damage control.

So is the Romney campaign, in fact, declaring a “cease-fire” on Obamacare? No, no, no, says Romney spokesman Ryan Williams. “From our perspective, Obamacare has been and will continue to be a central issue in the campaign,” says Williams. “It presents voters with a bright line that divides the two candidates. Gov. Romney is going to repeal Obamacare and President Obama is going to keep it. There is a clear choice in November.”…

Williams notes that Romney made a public statement, shortly after the Supreme Court decision was announced, pledging his continued determination to repeal the health care law. In addition, Romney’s “Day One” commercials, which prominently feature the promise to repeal Obamacare, are still playing in several states. The campaign also released a web ad after the Supreme Court decision, promising to keep up the Obamacare fight. It also made regular announcements on the amount of money the campaign raised from supporters who oppose the Supreme Court ruling. And Romney’s campaign website, MittRomney.com, is filled with emphatic promises to repeal Obamacare.

So much for National Journal’s “ceasefire” speculation this morning — although I do think Team Mitt expects it’ll be roundly forgiven by the right for letting this issue slip during the campaign so long as their chances of winning are increasing. If those horrible new manufacturing numbers signal a wider economic downturn and end up sending Romney out to, say, a consistent four-point lead, no one’s going to be clamoring for him to shift his messaging from the economy to a battle o’ the mandates. A few lines about O-Care in his stump speech will suffice. The only way in which this ends up center stage, I think, is if (a) Obama and Romney get into an extended “ObamaCare vs. RomneyCare” exchange at the debates, when health care will assuredly come up, or (b) if the economy surprises everyone and starts to grow faster, forcing Mitt to come up with a Plan B. ObamaCare — or ObamaTax, if Team Mitt is willing to embrace that argument — is a logical fallback plan, but in light of Fehrnstrom’s answer last night, it looks like the Romney campaign wouldn’t at all be comfortable fighting that fight. They can do it if they have to by focusing on the cost, rationing, etc, but my hunch is that they think public opinion’s already more or less cemented on this. (The fact that the needles haven’t moved much in the post-SCOTUS polls seems to confirm that suspicion.) If Obama’s leading by four in September thanks to an economic rebound, it’s hard to believe that the thousandth iteration of “one-size-fits-all health-care plans are bad” will make up the difference. (If the public believed that, they wouldn’t be so keen on Medicare, right?)

All of which is to say, the “ObamaCare = ObamaTax” argument might be the only thing left to say about the program that the public hasn’t heard before (much) and which might actually move the needle. Is Romney’s team willing to embrace it? Stephen Hayes urges him to bite the bullet:

It’s inconceivable that at least some of the campaign this fall will not focus on the differences between what Obama did at the federal level and what Romney did in Massachusetts, with the Obama campaign seeking to obscure those differences and Romney trying to accentuate them. Why not call it a tax and include those differences in that debate?…

“Romney is quickly proving himself to be what some of us expected, very reactionary without a clear alternative to Obamacare,” said one Republican congressman. “The American people want and need the truth from him. Romneycare was both legal and a failure at the state level. Romney should just come clean.”

“It doesn’t quite matter whether Romney calls this a tax, a penalty, or a potato. Voters will call it a tax and so will every other Republican candidate running for every other office,” [a Republican strategist] says. “It will be the most popular attack ad in Senate and House campaigns. Much like the president resisted the term Obamacare before he embraced it, we are two months away from even Romney calling it a tax. Gravity cannot be suspended.”

Is that the Hail Mary if Romney ends up trailing with only a few weeks to go — telling America that he’s learned the hard way what ambitious mandate-driven health-care programs can do and urging it to repent while it still has time, like some Ghost of Health-Care Christmas Future? Can’t imagine Team Mitt would be eager to run on a “my signature gubernatorial achievement was a terrible mistake” platform, but we’re gaming out worst-case scenarios here.

Here’s Allen West last night on Fox pushing the ObamaTax line and urging Romney to follow suit.



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Yeah right!

Let’s ALL CHEER over having the supporter of 0bamaRomneyCare as our candidate NOW! [crickets chirping]

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Which, strangely enough, still sounds louder than the number of people that will vote or support Gary Johnson.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Useful idiots are out in force. Incredible to see an excuse after excuse…

First and MAJOR mistake GOP did was to allow an admitted progressive liberal to run as Republican where his record proved anything but.

Second mistake GOP did was to put all the GOP hacks and resources to push the progressive liberal to the front.

Third mistake GOP hacks did was listening to Hussein and giving him the choice he WANTED all along, the CHOICE he and his campaign were gearing up for all this time.

Fourth mistake GOP os making right now is not telling the mistake to either do the right thing or to call brokered convention since it still not too late. People like Adelson, Kochs, Murdoch and others will be more than happy to finance any new name that does make sense, a name that will GUARANTEE HusseinCare repeal on Day 1.

But would conservative expect GOP to do the right thing when GOP has proven time and again it is only concerned with their own perks and lifestyle as well as inside tips here and there.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:00 PM

But out of the two, who do you think we have a shot of keeping on message for the betterment of the country, a Romney or Obama Administration?

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Excuse me, but do you even bother to read the links attached to the topics in HotAir? If you did you wouldn’t couldn’t believe Romney has any message “for the betterment of the country”.

That is one [amongst many] of the reasons I do not support Willard today.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:01 PM

You mean to tell me Romney is outside of the middle already?! Dirty right-winger, even?! Dude, grab a feather and knock me over!

/incredulous!!!!!!!!one!!!eleventy!!!!11

gryphon202 on July 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

even Latinos want jobs?

workingclass artist on July 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

It has become increasingly obvious that Hot Air’s open invitation to new members has increased democrat participation. Question, does anybody really believe some of these comments:

I will never support Romney because Romney is like Obama!

or

I support Gary Johnson for President!

Answer, Democrat posers posing as conservatives. Label these people appropriately as poser followed by; Obama can’t run on his record, I would become “a poser” too. Followed by Obama is the Hotdog and Pork and Beans President!

Romney 2012 baby!

jjnco73 on July 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Very well done! I could nit pick… NAHH! ;)

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:04 PM

The ruling is the symptom, the cause is Obamacare and Romneycare.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Nope. The ruling is the REAL damage. And that’s going to be hard to undo. I’m thinking we’d have to have a Constitutional Amendment at this point to clear it up.

Obamacare and Romneycare are NOT the same. Obamacare is 2700 pages, affecting every American citizen, “taxing” us for our mere existence. There’s already 13,000 pages of regulations on the books, and more still coming. Romneycare was one state in fifty. It was something on the order of 70 pages. It doesn’t affect anyone who chooses not to live in Massachusetts, and it was popular with both citizens and legislators, passed by a veto-proof majority. Romney couldn’t have stopped it if he wanted to. All he could do was guide it as best he could.

The imperative right now, after Roberts’ disastrous ruling, is STOPPING the implementation of Obamacare. We have one shot to do that, and it lies with Romney.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Which, strangely enough, still sounds louder than the number of people that will vote or support Gary Johnson.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 10:00 PM

*snicker*

Anybody heard from Buddy Roemer?

workingclass artist on July 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

jjnco73 on July 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

So many errors! You must have to work at it.

BTW, I’ve been here at least since 2007. You?

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

So you don’t like that Romney played Survivor and convinced enough voters via their delegates to support him…even more puzzling is that you accuse the GOP establishment (not totally without merit I admit) of rigging the game to get their candidate, so in fairness, you want the game rigged to get yours instead?

Smoke filled back room deals being implied by you besides…who would *you* like to see run against Obama?

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Trollappaloosa! Anti-Rom troll festival for finger painters.

Slainte on July 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

The imperative right now, after Roberts’ disastrous ruling, is STOPPING the implementation of Obamacare. We have one shot to do that, and it lies with Romney.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

agreed

workingclass artist on July 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Nope. The ruling is the REAL damage.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

There would be NO ruling if there was NO 0bamacare, and 0bamacare came into being directly because of the existance of Romneycare, thus you fail across the board.

Sorry, but it is what it is.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:08 PM

The imperative right now, after Roberts’ disastrous ruling, is STOPPING the implementation of Obamacare. We have one shot to do that, and it lies with Romney.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Amen!

Slainte on July 3, 2012 at 10:09 PM

But out of the two, who do you think we have a shot of keeping on message for the betterment of the country, a Romney or Obama Administration?

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Against a great evil, a small remedy does not produce a small result; it produces no result at all.”

The Democrats are worse than the Republicans but the situation is the result of BOTH parties. Boehner and company voted for the pork spending, raised the debt ceiling time after time and joined hands with the Democrats at the trough. Bush and the GOP voted for TARP and this after years of drunken spending and government expansion.

Now you are telling me that the drunken sailor with the BLUE uniform, stinking of booze and vomit is so much better than the drunken sailor with the RED uniform because he seems to be a little less cooked than the other fellow?

Neither party has any interest, or ability to put a halt to the spending.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Wake up and smell the damn coffee already. There isn’t going to be any “repeal bill”. The Republicans took over the House and made gains in the Senate, powered mostly by TP outrage over ObamaCare. Now how vigorous have Boehner and McConnell been about this “repeal” business?

ddrintn on July 3, 2012 at 9:51 PM

The House is voting on Repeal on the 11th. It’ll never see the light of day in the Senate, of course. But that’s why we need to get the majority there. And even if by some MIRACLE, it did… Obama would veto it. Romney is right. To repeal Obamacare we must repeal Obama himself.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I will never support Romney because Romney is like Obama!

jjnco73 on July 3, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Well, it is obvious useful idiots forgot another reason:

I will never support a LIBERAL.

No reason for my family and me to escape USSR so that we can vote for a LIBERAL.

But useful idiots, same who gave us the 1917 Revolution and released the communist/socialist scourge on the world wouldn’t understand that.

I will not vote for Obama, of course, but there is no way in hell I could cast a vote for another liberal. The space will either stay blank or will be filled with the name of a candidate of mu choice. But no way in hell will it start with an R.

You morons are the reason we are all dealing with this crap today instead of looking forward to january 21st and a GUARANTEED REPEAL.

With ANY other GOP candidate this thread as well as a good number of others here and elsewhere would not even exist. Try getting this through inch thick skulls once and for all and understand that it is YOU that being the real problem, and your candidate, not us by any means.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I just hope he doesn’t mean to substitute another plan that will cause my premiums to rise and will increase my taxes. I just don’t trust politicians.

Blake on July 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Trollappaloosa! Anti-Rom troll festival for finger painters.

Slainte on July 3, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Trollappaloosa! RomBot troll festival appking ungummed bandaids to Willard’s frackups

FIFY!

BTW, how are you feeling today? That crotch kick Rom gave you while you were keeping your head buried in the sand was pretty nasty. OUCH!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Fourth mistake GOP os making right now is not telling the mistake to either do the right thing or to call brokered convention since it still not too late. People like Adelson, Kochs, Murdoch and others will be more than happy to finance any new name that does make sense, a name that will GUARANTEE HusseinCare repeal on Day 1.

But would conservative expect GOP to do the right thing when GOP has proven time and again it is only concerned with their own perks and lifestyle as well as inside tips here and there.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Well, then, no one’s stopping whoever this mysterious person is from coming forward. By all means, the Mystery Conservative, or you, or someone else who thinks this idea is a good one, should approach Adelson, the Kochs, and Murdoch with this brilliant idea.

What are you waiting for?

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Trollappaloosa! RomBot troll festival appying ungummed bandaids to Willard’s frackups

FIFM!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:12 PM

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:11 PM

You realize you’re insane right?

CW on July 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Excuse me, but do you even bother to read the links attached to the topics in HotAir? If you did you wouldn’t couldn’t believe Romney has any message “for the betterment of the country”.

That is one [amongst many] of the reasons I do not support Willard today.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Your opinion aside, he must have *some* sort of message if he’s in any sort of poll with matching numbers to the President.

You personally may not like his message or don’t agree with it in particular for whatever reason, but yeah he’s got a message, and he’s getting votes.

Your candidate, Gary Johnson? How’s he doing in the polls? Is he going to march into the hall during the RNC convention and be confidant to say that he will be the nominee…even though most folks couldn’t pick him out of a 2 man lineup with him and Herman Cain?

And to entertain those that want to see a “Brokered Convention”, what are the chances that Gary Johnson still wouldn’t get the nod? About 99.95%?

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

DannyJo go fu*ck yourself .

CW on July 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

What are you waiting for?

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:12 PM

What makes you think we are waiting for anything? Don’t you know how grass roots efforts work? HMM!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

is STOPPING the implementation of Obamacare. We have one shot to do that, and it lies with Romney.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

So you guys are guaranteeing REPEAL if Romney wins? Is that what I am hearing?

I’ll save this thread for a reminder later when you and your liberal candidate come up with some excuse for not repealing.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Nope. The ruling is the REAL damage.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

The ruling is the real damage only if you presume the legitimacy of the supreme court’s judicial review, which I do not. Your argument is invalid.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Your nickname is only half right.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:16 PM

DannyJo go fu*ck yourself .

CW on July 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Thank you! I was waiting for a Romney liberal to show their true colors. I needed the example!

Your opinion aside, he must have *some* sort of message if he’s in any sort of poll with matching numbers to the President.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

OK! I’ll play

What is that message, and would you please supply a link to it? Real Americans want to know, and as a GOP delegate I’ll need it to pass along to voters this year!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:16 PM

The imperative right now, after Roberts’ disastrous ruling, is STOPPING the implementation of Obamacare. We have one shot to do that, and it lies with Romney.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Unless your just plain stupid, then yes you will vote for Romney. All Conservatives will, we are not worried about us, it is the Indys that are of concern. Unless Romney can show them something other than what he is currently doing, then he is screwed. As said it more than once and I will say it again. Romney care was a failure, I learned my lesson the hard way and yes the mandate is a tax, this is why it is so important that I become your President, so that I can fix the mistake known as Obamacare. See how easy this is.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

As said it more than once and I will say it again. Romney care was a failure, I learned my lesson the hard way and yes the mandate is a tax, this is why it is so important that I become your President, so that I can fix the mistake known as Obamacare. See how easy this is.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

In typical LIBERAL fashion admitting a mistake is not an option.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:19 PM

There would be NO ruling if there was NO 0bamacare, and 0bamacare came into being directly because of the existance of Romneycare, thus you fail across the board.

Sorry, but it is what it is.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Were you not paying attention when the bill was passed? The exchanges are nothing but a jumping off point for single-payer. THAT’s what the “public option” was all about. Everything about Obamacare was designed to funnel into that “public option”. Now that it’s passed without it, there’s no catch-all, just the Medicaid expansion. But they passed it anyway, knowing that the whole thing would go kablooey, employers would unload their policies, and people would clamor for that “public option” to be reinstalled.

Romney is nothing but a sideba, a red herring. Obamacare is MUCH more nefarious than that. How is it possible to follow politics and not SEE that? These people are playing chess with you while you’re still playing checkers.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

“Against a great evil, a small remedy does not produce a small result; it produces no result at all.”

The Democrats are worse than the Republicans but the situation is the result of BOTH parties. Boehner and company voted for the pork spending, raised the debt ceiling time after time and joined hands with the Democrats at the trough. Bush and the GOP voted for TARP and this after years of drunken spending and government expansion.

Now you are telling me that the drunken sailor with the BLUE uniform, stinking of booze and vomit is so much better than the drunken sailor with the RED uniform because he seems to be a little less cooked than the other fellow?

Neither party has any interest, or ability to put a halt to the spending.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Again, for the most part you won’t get an argument about that from most of the posters here on HA, me included.

However, the options that others wish me to join in on will not work…have not worked in the past, nor will in the immediate future.

I can’t see voting 3rd party because well, there is no viable candidate running. None. I’m not saying this as an elitists or a starry eyed OWS’er.

No r can i see staying home and not voting. Anything that will give a 2nd term to this Administration is absolutely the worse of two evils in my book.

We might be worse off with Romney, true…maybe. But I already went through 4 yrs of THIS crowd…and I KNOW another 4 yrs will suck even BIGGER.

So Romney, maybe not my first or even second choice, but i will support him. Just like as much as I didn’t like McCain in 2008, you better be damn right I pulled the lever for him anyway…because i knew this crowd was not going to be good for the country.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

In typical LIBERAL fashion admitting a mistake is not an option.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Unless he likes losing, he damn well better change his outlook on this matter. He is handed a gift and refuses to take it. Hell he may not be smart enough to lead this Great Nation.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Team Romney: No way are we declaring a “ceasefire” on health care

Hmm! What is missing at the end.

Team Romney: No way are we declaring a “ceasefire” on health care REFORM

AKA. Romneycare Part Deux

Team Romney: No way are we declaring a “ceasefire” on health care as an issue

OIC! No promise but a scare tactic!

Team Romney: No way are we declaring a “ceasefire” on health care YET!

Now THAT sounds like the truth!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Romney is nothing but a sideba, a red herring. Obamacare is MUCH more nefarious than that. How is it possible to follow politics and not SEE that? These people are playing chess with you while you’re still playing checkers.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

That “sideba[r],” as you so eloquently put it, is going to get nuked like Nagasaki and Hiroshima the first time he has to defend Romneycare in a national debate post-convention. Disavowing himself from it now, while inarguably disingenuous, would at least be tossing those precious independents a bone.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

What makes you think we are waiting for anything? Don’t you know how grass roots efforts work? HMM!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I was thinking you must be waiting for something, if you’re still pushing Gary Johnson. Surely, the Kochs, Murdoch, and Adelson would have ensured he got a fair shake during the primary if they were willing to accept him.

Is the same evil oppressive Romney-backing Fox News going to change its mind and support the very person it allegedly cheated out of getting a fair hearing in the primary?

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

BTW, how are you feeling today? That crotch kick Rom gave you while you were keeping your head buried in the sand was pretty nasty. OUCH!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:11 PM

You are quite a crass little trollete. Kind of like the glare off a shiny cheap suit. Who could ever compete with the vulgarian in you.

Slainte on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Were you not paying attention when the bill was passed? The exchanges are nothing but a jumping off point for single-payer. THAT’s what the “public option” was all about.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Who really gives a crap about exchanges when the ENTIRE bill is nothing but crap?

You can’t even think logically when dealing with facts. ROMNEY CARE was THE blueprint.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

although I do think Team Mitt expects it’ll be roundly forgiven by the right for letting this issue slip during the campaign so long as their chances of winning are increasing.

You could not be more wrong.

The base still detest Romney. This is a marriage made in hell. Romney was crammed down our throats and we think it taste like excrement.

He strays one little bite on a full repeal of Obama Care and fights for nationwide Romney Care and he will find out on November 6 that his political career is ended.

I still feel Romney has a snowballs chance in July because of exactly this feeling by the arrogant elitist like Allah.

When in that voting booth people will simply NOT pull the lever for Romney. Very few of my very conservative relatives will vote for Romney or Obama.

Better to sit this one out than vote for another blank slate.

Steveangell on July 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM

The spectacle of seeing Hot Airheads baying in the moonlight for RINO Romney is just … priceless. Man, what a great year it’s been.

Tuesday Nov. 6, 2012: Heads, liberals win. Tails, conservatives lose.

Brings tears of joy to my eyes.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM

So you guys are guaranteeing REPEAL if Romney wins? Is that what I am hearing?

I’ll save this thread for a reminder later when you and your liberal candidate come up with some excuse for not repealing.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Be my guest. And yes, I do believe that Romney will repeal Obamacare if given the opportunity to do so. He’s on the record too many times to do otherwise. What we KNOW though, is that Obama never will.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

These people are playing chess with you while you’re still playing checkers.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Really, Charles Lane quotes now.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Your nickname is only half right.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Ah yes, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a squishy RINO working for the Establishment. How original.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

DannoJyd and riduculous riddick: Time to STFU. 100′s of posts in a day flaming everyone else is more than enough. Just STFU, you moron clowns. Go to Huffington were you’ll gather the votes.

It’s time to just shut these clowns down. Just ignore the moron clown rattlesnake trolls. Enough already.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Well, it is obvious useful idiots forgot another reason:

I will never support a Conservative.

No reason for my family and me to escape Tennessee so that we can vote for a Conservative.

But useful idiots, same who gave us the 1917 Revolution and released the Baptists scourge on the world wouldn’t understand that.

I will not vote for Romney, of course, but there is no way in hell I could cast a vote for another conservative. The space will either stay blank or will be filled with the name of a candidate of mu choice. But no way in hell will it start with an D.

You morons are the reason we are all dealing with this crap today instead of looking forward to january 21st and a GUARANTEED REPEAL.

With ANY other DNC candidate this thread as well as a good number of others here and elsewhere would not even exist. Try getting this through inch thick skulls once and for all and understand that it is YOU that being the real problem, and your candidate, not us by any means.

Listen to yourself!

jjnco73 on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Unless he likes losing, he damn well better change his outlook on this matter. He is handed a gift and refuses to take it. Hell he may not be smart enough to lead this Great Nation.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Funny, you just stated what I did in another thread a few hours ago. I was called an idiot for that.

Funny in more ways than that. Even GOP mavens and Congress members are saying that Romney needs to own up to past mistakes, yet these useful idiots refuse to understand the problem.

I cannot vote for a liberal, many reason, but had Romney, for the first time in his life, come clean and admitted that RomneyCare was a huge mistake, maybe I would change my mind and actually vote for him. But no, useful idiots know whats best for us despite all the facts against them and their boy.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I love the Obama depression too man! This stuff is great! Just wait till inflation comes! Those stupid cons won’t know how to love it properly,

hahhahahahahaaaD#@%$^74

tom daschle concerned on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

And yes, I do believe that Romney will repeal Obamacare if given the opportunity to do so. He’s on the record too many times to do otherwise. What we KNOW though, is that Obama never will.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Utterly no question.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Romney is nothing but a sideba, a red herring.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Romney is part of the problem. We will find a solution.

BTW, are you signed up as a grass roots volunteer yet? If not WHY NOT!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

And yes, I do believe that Romney will repeal Obamacare if given the opportunity to do so. He’s on the record too many times to do otherwise. What we KNOW though, is that Obama never will.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Oh, so you downgraded to “I believe…”, shows a lot of confidence on your part.

You guys are so full of it. Same as lying moron you suport.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM


Team Romney: No way are we declaring a “ceasefire” on health care YET!

Now THAT sounds like the truth!

Yes. Here would be my reading of Team Willard:

Team Romney: No way are we declaring a “ceasefire” on health care because we got caught trying to declare a “ceasefire” on health care.

casuist on July 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

And yes, I do believe that Romney will repeal Obamacare if given the opportunity to do so. He’s on the record too many times to do otherwise. What we KNOW though, is that Obama never will.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Utterly no question.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Un****ingbelievable how quick you guys are to put your faith in a politician. You shame me.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

jjnco73 on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Miss your therapy today? RomneyCare will take care of that, about 6 months later.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

The spectacle of seeing Hot Airheads baying in the moonlight for RINO Romney is just … priceless. Man, what a great year it’s been.

Tuesday Nov. 6, 2012: Heads, liberals win. Tails, conservatives lose.

Brings tears of joy to my eyes.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Well, this year has had its moments, I agree with that much.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Who really gives a crap about exchanges when the ENTIRE bill is nothing but crap?

You can’t even think logically when dealing with facts. ROMNEY CARE was THE blueprint.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Romneycare was only their way of trying to sneak the rest of their bag ‘o crap by the public. They wanted to say it was a Republican idea. They wanted cover. But these two plans, as I pointed out before, are NOT the same. Understand that the Massachusetts legislature was going to pass this bill with or without Mitt Romney. He had 8 vetoes on it. ALL of them were overturned. Understand also, that this is their path to single-payer. The means is superfluous.

Like I said, this is chess, not checkers. These people bet the entire future of their party on this thing. They didn’t do it lightly. They’re ‘all-in’. They’re vulnerable. We HAVE to defeat them. If we don’t, it’s WE who never recover.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

or (b) if the economy surprises everyone and starts to grow faster, forcing Mitt to come up with a Plan B.

If the economy does that, the country is finished. The media will seize on those numbers and give Obama sole credit for a “presumed” turnaround. Even then, the numbers will be cooked in some regards.

Jurisprudence on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I can’t see voting 3rd party because well, there is no viable candidate running. None.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I agree with you about this. Johnson isn’t going to win anything, but I understand that there are those who need some hope and they latch onto guys like him because they simply cannot buy the line of BS being sold by the GOP again. For them its Gary Johnson or despair.

The GOP will betray you and it will be identified with conservatism when it does so. I don’t believe that the GOP and the Democrats are all that opposed to each other. They are partners in governing and minor rivals who fight over who gets the prime spot at the trough. They have no intention to alter that state of affairs.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

DannoJyd and riduculous riddick: Time to STFU.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Feel free to follow your own advice then get back to us AFTER you’ve signed up as a volunteer to support your candidates.

You don’t want 0bama’s ILLEGAL Aliens making you look lazy this year, right?

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

If the economy does that, the country is finished. The media will seize on those numbers and give Obama sole credit for a “presumed” turnaround. Even then, the numbers will be cooked in some regards.

Jurisprudence on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Or if the economy tanks, the media will lie for Obama anyway.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

We might be worse off with Romney, true…maybe. But I already went through 4 yrs of THIS crowd…and I KNOW another 4 yrs will suck even BIGGER.

So Romney, maybe not is my first or even second choice, but i will support him. Just like as much as I didn’t like McCain in 2008, you better be damn right I pulled the lever for him anyway…because i knew this crowd was not going to be good for the country.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I may have you wrong but many Romney supports try to sell this crap.

Just this week all the Democrats and too many Republicans crammed another Crap Sandwich down our throats. A Highway mega corrupt bill to enrich themselves and make the deficit even larger. Not a single thing the Republicans are for in it. 100% certified earmark trash.

So we really do not need to wait to know how Romney will push legislation. The Democrats and a few Establishment Earmark Kings. Just like in Mass.

No Romney is far worse than Obama who rarely can get something into law. Obama would be far more limited with the next Congress but not Romney. Romney will govern with Democrats the base will be locked out completely.

Steveangell on July 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I may very well be an idiot, but I will vote for Romney. I don’t much like supporting losers, especially ones that have a legitimate chance of winning, but blow because of shear arrogance.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Un****ingbelievable how quick you guys are to put your faith in a politician. You shame me.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Faith and politician. In same sentence.

If we’d be talking Pelosi and Reid, I might actually believe that because they achieve whatever cause they choose (not that I agree in any way with their views).

But we’re talking Boehner and McConnell. And Romney even if the stars align.

So. NO.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Are you on meth you effing moron?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Just listen to yourself. Had the GOP candidate been Perry, as an example only, would we even have this discussion today?

Honest answer, please.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Are you on meth you effing moron?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

You are, obviously.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:36 PM

This is a blog. We discuss things. When morons spend the whole day flaming anyone else they can, it makes it far less likely anyone will spend time talking about the real issues.

Really? Are you guys on something? How can you work yourself up into this much of a frenzy?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Slainte on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Moi? I cannot EVEN begin to compete with the RomTrolls here, but I guess you too ignore his supporters.

I was thinking you must be waiting for something, if you’re still pushing Gary Johnson.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

There ya go thinking again! Perhaps the time is past for you to actually do something like volunteer at the grass roots level?

You realize you’re insane right?

CW on July 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I realize that I am an effective grass roots activist. What have YOU done lately? HMM!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Well, this year has had its moments, I agree with that much.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Well done. lefty just got burned.

BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Basta.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Romneycare was only their way of trying to sneak the rest of their bag ‘o crap by the public. They wanted to say it was a Republican idea. They wanted cover. But these two plans, as I pointed out before, are NOT the same. Understand that the Massachusetts legislature was going to pass this bill with or without Mitt Romney. He had 8 vetoes on it. ALL of them were overturned. Understand also, that this is their path to single-payer. The means is superfluous.

Like I said, this is chess, not checkers. These people bet the entire future of their party on this thing. They didn’t do it lightly. They’re ‘all-in’. They’re vulnerable. We HAVE to defeat them. If we don’t, it’s WE who never recover.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

100% Spin. No intelligence needed for this. Just an ability to lie.

Teddy Kennedy was amazed Romney got it into law with him. Planned Parenthood sung Mitt praises all over the State.

Mitt is very effective as a leader.

But he is totally a liberal moderate Progressive. There is not a single conservative or really a Republican bone in his body. In 2002 he made that abundantly clear for any who would listen.

He has never explained what changed him other than deciding to run for President as a Republican in 2005. Mitt is a Progressive Democrat. Not a Republican.

Steveangell on July 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

The spectacle of seeing Hot Airheads baying in the moonlight for RINO Romney is just … priceless. Man, what a great year it’s been.

Tuesday Nov. 6, 2012: Heads, liberals win. Tails, conservatives lose.

Brings tears of joy to my eyes.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Well, this year has had its moments, I agree with that much.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

… and yet hahaha — Romney is still losing to Obama in the Wisconsin.

Ain’t that hilarious?

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:39 PM

OK! I’ll play

What is that message, and would you please supply a link to it? Real Americans want to know, and as a GOP delegate I’ll need it to pass along to voters this year!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Here…

And Here…

and for balance, a link to POLITICO & RCP showing polls compiled by a few groups that either show a tie or at least a margin of error between the President and Romney.

BlaxPac on July 3, 2012 at 10:39 PM

No Romney is far worse than Obama who rarely can get something into law. Obama would be far more limited with the next Congress but not Romney. Romney will govern with Democrats the base will be locked out completely.

Steveangell on July 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

You can’t be serious. I mean, what kind of petty grievance could you possibly have that compares with having Obamacare implemented. You wanna talk about the base being “locked out”… try forever. THAT’s what Barack Obama has planned for us. He means to finish us off. Already, HALF of American households are taking a government check. He’s offering entitlement “cheese”. Figure the odds on shaking it off if he gets it off the ground.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:39 PM

When in that voting booth people will simply NOT pull the lever for Romney. Very few of my very conservative relatives will vote for Romney or Obama.

Better to sit this one out than vote for another blank slate.

Steveangell on July 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM

what a load of Hooey,,,sheeesh!

workingclass artist on July 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I see. No answer to my question. Speaks volumes.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

And yes, I do believe that Romney will repeal Obamacare if given the opportunity to do so. He’s on the record too many times to do otherwise. What we KNOW though, is that Obama never will.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Utterly no question.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Un****ingbelievable how quick you guys are to put your faith in a politician. You shame me.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Bifidis is a lefty who is just being snide. And Murf’s belief is reasonable, though not entirely for the reason he gives. The thing is, Romney is likely to repeal the bill, if it gets to his desk, simply because it eliminates the issue. If he keeps it in place, he has to keep fighting with conservatives.

Romney passed a plan in Massuchessetts with the support of public. He doesn’t have that here. Nothing is certain, but it’s not unreasonable to bet he’d overturn it, and as Murf pointed out, there is 0 chance that Obama will overturn it.

The bigger concern is that it’s not clear how to get a repeal bill passed the Senate. Only parts of it can be dismantled via reconciliation, so you have to do something about the filibuster.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Really? Are you guys on something? How can you work yourself up into this much of a frenzy?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

To use an old cliche, they probably can’t stand to see defeat snatched from the hand of victory. Which is the very blueprint Romney is pursuing.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Are you on meth you effing moron?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

This is a blog. We discuss things.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Reading is fundamental. Give it a try some day if you are going to be coming here to HotAir where they supply ALL OF THE GREIVANCES NEEDED!

Just click on the lettering in color. Maybe that is where you fail.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Romney is likely to repeal the bill, if it gets to his desk

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

There is it AGAIN. LIKELY.

What does it mean and would we even be guessing with any other GOP candidate?

You people really have to listen to the crap you are saying.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Find these clowns and their posts, all day….flame, vitriol, venom. All day long.

And so ends any reason to spend a few enjoyable moments at hotair, ever. Gosh I miss Captains Quarters. Kay sera sera.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

This is a blog. We discuss things. When morons spend the whole day flaming anyone else they can, it makes it far less likely anyone will spend time talking about the real issues.

Really? Are you guys on something? How can you work yourself up into this much of a frenzy?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

This is artificial anger! Not real anger, just controlled anger bought and payed for by the democrat party. Really simple to explain and ID. Enjoy the 4th!

jjnco73 on July 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Really? Are you guys on something? How can you work yourself up into this much of a frenzy?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I may very well be an idiot, but I will vote for Romney. I don’t much like supporting losers, especially ones that have a legitimate chance of winning, but blow because of shear arrogance.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Yes we like to call it GOD.

We actually have real beliefs and Romney is proving that he only has love for the Democratic Agenda. We detest that agenda.

Mitt will lose this election. He has no chance of wining. We will never vote for him he is a bridge far too far. Far worse than McCain ever thought of being. At least McCain had been a Republican for years. Romney thought he could become pretend to be a real one in 2005 and President in 2008 what an arrogant jerk.

Steveangell on July 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Find these clowns and their posts, all day….flame, vitriol, venom. All day long.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Some of the Gary Johnson supporters do get repetitive but so do the Romney backers.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Well done. lefty just got burned.

BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

If that’s a burn, then I know how I’m getting to Canada once Romney is elected.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

To use an old cliche, they probably can’t stand to see defeat snatched from the hand of victory. Which is the very blueprint Romney is pursuing.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Mushrooms are not just food, they provide vivid entertainment as well. I thought Jim Jones had the market cornered, but Romney is an ultimate peddler where the likes of Rove, Coulter and the rest of GOP caballah and useful idiots partake.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Team Romney: No way are we declaring a “ceasefire” on health care

Translation: Please conservatives don’t abandon us. Read our lip service.

bgibbs1000 on July 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

The thing is, Romney is likely to repeal the bill, if it gets to his desk, simply because it eliminates the issue.

Nothing is certain, but it’s not unreasonable to bet he’d overturn it, and as Murf pointed out, there is 0 chance that Obama will overturn it.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Doggone it, RINO! Don’t you bother to read what the politicians are saying today?!?!

NONE of the GOP RINO’s are planning on REPEAL. At best they will put through some lame bill that effectively leaves 0bamacare in place. THAT IS REPORTED HERE AT HOTAIR!!!

I used to enjoy your relevant posts here. What the heck has happened to you?

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Steveangell on July 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

So… just who IS a viable Republican candidate? What are our choices?

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Romney isn’t going to sign any repeal. Boehner isn’t going to cut that promised $100 billion and neither he, nor Mitch Mcconnell are going to hold Romney’s feet to any fire. They are exactly what we fear.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I guarantee Romney signs a repeal obamacare bill. He’s campaigned on it and not doing so would be political suicide.

Getting that repeal bill on his desk though is another matter — we need to take the Senate and elect Romney.

I’d actually worry more about mcConnel being too much of a wimp than I’d worry about Romney not signing it.

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Kay sera sera.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Who’s Kay?

Que.

An intelligent voter is our our best customer – M. Romney.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

This is a blog. We discuss things. When morons spend the whole day flaming anyone else they can, it makes it far less likely anyone will spend time talking about the real issues.

Really? Are you guys on something? How can you work yourself up into this much of a frenzy?

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

This is artificial anger! Not real anger, just controlled anger bought and payed for by the democrat party. Really simple to explain and ID. Enjoy the 4th!

jjnco73 on July 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Or…bath salts?

workingclass artist on July 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

What question? I didn’t see it. This format is clunky.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM

If that’s a burn, then I know how I’m getting to Canada once Romney is elected.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Come on, man?!?!

1.I’m just on the side lines here. Stay in the pit. You look weak now.
2. That link is weak. No one cares about some d*&n dogs right now.

So stop shirking, get back in there and try harder. Get your pay.

BoxHead1 on July 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM

If that’s a burn, then I know how I’m getting to Canada once Romney is elected.

bifidis on July 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Canada is voting conservative these days…I doubt they would want you.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

He’s campaigned on it and not doing so would be political suicide.

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Are you serious? He made ONE, just ONE statement on the issue, last week. Per his own campaign.

Lies, more lies and even more lies on top. Romney’s winning strategy via useful idiots.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

An intelligent voter is our our best customer – M. Romney.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Right on cue.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

What question? I didn’t see it. This format is clunky.

Murf76 on July 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Same one I asked your buddies.

Had GOP candidate been anyone BUT Romney, would we be having this (and other) threads today on the actual repeal?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:53 PM

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

You may be right. Man I just can’t afford four more years of Obama.

DDay on July 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM

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