Quotes of the day

posted at 9:11 pm on July 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

Hostility toward the Supreme Court has risen sharply since Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. upheld the Obama health care law. People are apparently angry that the court didn’t rid them of a law they detest. But that’s silly. If Americans want to replace this thing, they should do it themselves

Republicans say they trust the people. If that’s true, then they won’t waste another futile breath bashing the court for upholding Obamacare. They’ll explicitly tell the country how they would replace it. Democracy is a contest between alternatives, not a deus ex machina stroke from the lords in black robes.

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It’s on his to-do list, but U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says the odds are against repealing the health care law championed by President Barack Obama…

“If you thought it was a good idea for the federal government to go in this direction, I’d say the odds are still on your side,” McConnell said. “Because it’s a lot harder to undo something than it is to stop it in the first place.”…

If given control of the Senate next year, McConnell said he would support using budget reconciliation rules to repeal it. Doing so would prohibit Senate filibusters and require only 51 votes to succeed. In 2010, Republicans lambasted Democrats for relying on these rules to pass the health care bill, calling their tactics unusual and hyperpartisan.

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So now McConnell says he will force the issue before the election and then make repeal of Obamacare priority number one if the GOP takes back the Senate, but the odds are against full repeal. This is code for Republican leaders, timid as they are and driven by polling, keeping parts of Obamacare instead of doing full repeal and starting over.

The truth is many Republicans like parts of Obamacare. The truth is a number of Senate Republicans were willing to vote back in December of 2009 that the individual mandate was unconstitutional while keeping their names on healthcare legislation by Senator Bob Bennett that had an individual mandate.

The truth is with Republican leaders like we have in both Houses, who needs the Democrats? It was not just Democrats responsible for $16 trillion in debt. Even now, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell and the rest are trying to find ways to weasel out of paying down the debt and bring back earmarks.

When Republicans won’t fight on their ground, they just won’t fight.

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Even if Republicans win big on Election Day, though, repealing the Affordable Care Act will be a tall order

For Republicans, the dream of using reconciliation to torpedo the law is predicated on winning a net of three Senate seats, retaining the House and winning the presidency. Then both chambers would have to pass a budget resolution that includes reconciliation instructions. Romney’s vice president would be called upon to break a possible 50-50 roll call in the Senate…

Then, in the Senate, once a reconciliation bill came to the floor, Democrats could challenge specific provisions. They could say, for example, that any savings from repealing certain parts of the healthcare law would only be incidental. If they won those challenges, those parts of the law would remain in place…

“I think the bottom line is, it’s plausible to use reconciliation, but it’s really hard to know which provisions will pass muster,” Binder said.

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Chief Justice John Roberts ruled that the financial penalty enforcing the individual mandate is within Congress’s constitutional power to “lay and collect Taxes,” and that the mandate and penalty are inextricably linked. This should suffice to enable repeal, through reconciliation, of both the individual and employer mandates, and their respective penalty taxes.

The state exchanges and insurance rules—”guaranteed issue,” which forces an insurer to sell a policy to someone who is already sick, and “community rating,” which severely limits the insurer’s right to charge that person a higher premium—are procedurally more difficult. Yet both are linked to the individual mandate, which increases taxes. Whether they can be repealed in a reconciliation bill will ultimately be decided by the Senate Parliamentarian.

Once the individual mandate is repealed, these popular insurance changes cannot stand by themselves. Without the mandate, people have every incentive to save on premiums and not buy insurance until they fall ill. This will send premiums through the roof for healthy people and, if the government clamps down on increased premiums, destroy private insurance companies. Those Republicans who say they favor legislated guaranteed-issue and community-rating requirements but oppose the mandate will be forced to acknowledge that all three must go.

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[W]e all know the GOP’s myriad failures of will and principle over recent years. But it’s time to act, not to bicker. As a practical matter, no Democrat is ever going to vote for repeal. John Tester can film a commercial with a gun to show he’s not one of those wussy coastal libs, but when he leaves Montana, off come the cowboy boots and on go the Birkenstocks and he’s a guaranteed vote against repeal.

A vote for any Democrat is a vote for Obamacare. A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama. Period. That’s just a fact. One can whine and complain and mope, but unless you are actively supporting the GOP down the line, you are supporting Obama and Obamacare.

But giving some money and your vote, even if Mitt infuriated you in the primary, is not enough. The counterattack needs your time.

It needs you to help with the crummy scut work of elections, knocking on doors and making calls. It needs you getting active in social media to spread the word and fight the smears – on Facebook, on Twitter, wherever. It needs you to talk to your friends and neighbors, particularly the dumb ones who tune into politics about 15 minutes before the polls open. The dumb ones are natural Obama voters and require your special attention.

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“All that [Court ruling] did was energize conservatives,” declared Rasmussen in an exclusive interview on Monday. “The conservative interest in the election was already much higher than that of moderates and liberals. It went up to really stratospheric levels right after the ruling. We don’t know if that will continue or if it’s just a temporary response to the news cycle.”…

“Now as for that vote next week, while people were calling it symbolic, one of the interesting things to watch will be how many Democratic congressmen will sign on and support the repeal,” Rasmussen said. “There will probably be a fair number of Democratic members of Congress who are too afraid for their own future to vote in support of the healthcare law.”

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In an exclusive interview with Breitbart News today, Senator McConnell put all … fears to rest. “I have said many times that if I’m the leader of the majority next year, I commit to the American people that the repeal of ‘Obamacare’ will be job one,” he reiterated. “That includes pursuing reconciliation. What people need to understand is that this is literally a fight for the future of our country and Democrats have proven during this debate that they will stop at nothing to protect this massive expansion of government into our lives and our health care. We need to be aware that this will take every ounce of our energy to accomplish.”

McConnell went on to explain that the fight would not stop with the election: “Our success is dependent upon the voices of the many who are concerned about Obamacare to get involved and stay involved. Do not shut up, do not sit down, do not be intimidated. Keep fighting with every ounce of energy you have. We’ll do the same. The road to repeal begins with a Republican Senate and Mitt Romney in the White House, but it won’t end for me until this historic mistake is wiped off the books for good.”

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LOL, I think everyone is so angry and we’re venting.

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Uh oh! You used lol in your comment. Sherman’s going to slap you with a Roberts lol Tax.

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:48 PM

It’s a lack of any competing vision that’s Obamacare’s best ally.

bayam on July 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

That’s B.S.! From what I have read Obamacare is only going to pay 70% of the medicals costs (which are going to go up) how are the people who couldn’t pay the bills before going to pay for the inflated 30%. How is that going to reduce bankruptcies? Hospitals are getting new taxes along with medical devices, gee, who’s going to absorb those costs. What is it about you that you want to be order to do or buy something? All this is going to do is increase the cost for the people who are already paying and the uninsured will still be in their same bureaucratic nightmare.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Many basic health care treatments would be much cheaper without insurance.
Right now, nobody knows who pays, so nobody cares.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Good point!..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM

You also have to consider that every single thing is marked up X% to help pay for that same thing when it’s free for the illegal aliens.

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Predator-good evening man.-I hope you are well. Nice to see you.

bazil9 on July 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

And a good evening to you, m’lady. Nice to see you as well. All is fine on my end. Very hot. Golf courses are hard and dry, but one must adjust. Lost a toughie in league play the other night, but that’s the way it goes.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Slade73 on July 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

I was about to say that exact thing.

SparkPlug on July 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

bazil9 on July 3, 2012 at 11:43 PM

How much longer do you think those types of policies will be offered? I had heard that Obamacare will discontinue them.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Slade73 on July 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

… Mitten Scissorhands!?

Axe on July 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Can anyone tell me how many Senate seats are in play?

I know the Senate will gain an R from WI, regardless of who runs.

Midwestprincesse on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Tommy Thompson is leading in WI.
Fischer has a sizable lead in NE. Those two will be a flip to R.

Hope Allen will pull out in VA, and Mack in FL, but they are narrowly behind. If they do, those will be 2 more flip to R

McCaskill, the incumbent may be vulnerable, it will be a flip to R

IN may be tight for Mourdock, Berg in ND and Heller in NV, and do not understand why it is close in MA for Scott Brown.

No information on the race in ME, but GOP does not have a strong horse in that race, a potential loss of a seat. The three in question: ME, MA and IN.

bayview on July 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

The problem is that you can’t simply run ‘against’ something and win hearts and minds without offering a competing vision. There are plenty of things wrong with the US healthcare system that need to be addressed, starting with exclusion of health insurance from people with even minor pre-existing conditions to unreasonably high premiums in some states for entrepreneurs and others that fall outside a large group policy.
If you want to replace Obamacare, you need to craft and articulate a competing vision. It’s a lack of any competing vision that’s Obamacare’s best ally.

bayam on July 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Eliminate the ban on purchasing healthcare across state lines that chokes competition. Then stop telling insurers who they must and must not insure, and at what rates. Every such regulation, by definition, prevents anyone who’s business model is incompatible from entering the market.

If the pre-existing conditions are truly minor, then the people are not too expensive to insure, at least not on a fundamental level. That’s a market. One that isn’t being served, apparently. There’s an opportunity for profit there. Unless, as is most likely the case, some dumbass legislator or bureaucrat has decided to require that anyone in the insurance business cover condition X in a certain way. Or if they cover condition X, then they also have to cover condition Y. Or they have to accept patient Z as well, even if Z is much more expensive to insure, because otherwise it would be discrimination. Or the doctors treating this minor condition need to get expensive liability insurance to avoid a frivolous lawsuit if W happens.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

It’s a lack of any competing vision that’s Obamacare’s best ally.

bayam on July 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

There are competing visions.

The Dems don’t want to talk about anything that won’t give them control, and the media is complicit.

INC on July 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Yep. It’s a closed group. Ace is NOT a member

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

predator on July 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Celebrate freedom, friend. I’m starting early.

TitularHead on July 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Can anyone tell me how many Senate seats are in play?

I know the Senate will gain an R from WI, regardless of who runs.

Midwestprincesse on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

33 Senate seats are up for grabs every 2 years with an extra 1 seat added somewhere in there to make 100 total…

Gohawgs on July 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Many basic health care treatments would be much cheaper without insurance.
Right now, nobody knows who pays, so nobody cares.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Yes, No one looks to see the trust cost of care-Only see their co-pay or deductible. I call it co-pay addicted.
And Cindy I saw pointed out how a family used the ER as a doc office. Huge costs..but she didnt care. 100% coverage. That drives up premiums. The ER is for Emergencies not for basic stuff.

bazil9 on July 3, 2012 at 11:52 PM

trust=true

bazil9 on July 3, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Until Roberts elevated it, the tax question had never emerged as a central issue.

No other judge in two years of litigation challenging the health-care reform law had reached a similar conclusion. President Obama insisted the measure was not a tax. The law itself, as written by Congress, refers 18 times to a “penalty.” And the mandate and associated penalty/tax is located in first section of the law, not the ninth section reserved for “Revenue Provisions.”

Nonetheless, Roberts and the court’s liberal wing agreed that there was enough to conclude the measure was a tax.

The written opinions released in the health-care reform case were highly unusual in that the four conservative justices issued a joint dissent and refused as a bloc to concur in any of the chief justice’s decision.

That disposition has spawned a debate over whether portions of the opinions dealing with the Commerce Clause and coercive use of the Congress’s spending power established binding legal precedents or just surplus prose.

In their dissent, the four conservatives accused Roberts of effectively rewriting the health-care law as a tax to avoid having to strike it down as unconstitutional.

To say that the individual mandate merely imposes a tax is not to interpret the statute but to rewrite it,” the dissent said.

Call it an extra-Constitutional tax and call Obama’care’ the ObamaTax.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I wonder if anyone has run the numbers on a “short all ‘Green’ stocks that little Bammie’s administration has used our money to invest in” strategy, from the day of the investment to today? You could only do it with public stocks however, and I don’t know how many of them are public.

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Most of the greenies he’s thrown big money into are private entities, how conveniently under the radar they are, but he has directed billions through the Porkulous and ObamaCare into publicly traded companies. The public greenies, or more accurately the parent companies of which are publicly traded, have gone down 50% or more in stock price, the very thing you look for when betting down.

Government assistance, whether to a company or to an individual, is almost always counterproductive … unless your money is betting down.

TXUS on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

It’s a lack of any competing vision that’s Obamacare’s best ally.

bayam on July 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Not at all, because you lie.

Stupid people are Obama’s best allies.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

trust=true

bazil9 on July 3, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Yes.

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Purely speculation on my part, but has the Eric Holder Gang struck again?

ICE agent shot in Texas conducting investigation in stable condition

An agent for ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations was shot Tuesday morning in Texas while conducting surveillance in a criminal investigation, a spokeswoman from the agency said.

The shooting occurred in Hidalgo County, Texas, which is near the Mexican border and a known drug-trafficking route.

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Tomorrow is Dependence Day.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Actually those $5 chickens are pretty good. You can get instant spuds as a side for $1. can of corn for $1. loaf of bread for a buck.

Is that gonna replace kobe beef at the whitehouse?

wolly4321 on July 3, 2012 at 11:55 PM

bazil9 on July 3, 2012 at 11:52 PM

I know and can you imagine letting your kids be miserable all day and in possible need of an antibiotic just to save the cost of an office visit?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Sadly it doesn’t matter.

Holder gave his first interview, after the contempt vote, and said it’s all about him and Obama. Basta.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Government assistance, whether to a company or to an individual, is almost always counterproductive … unless your money is betting down.

TXUS on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Aside. I always feel a little weird shorting a stock. It’s silly, I know. Even cycling through a couple of ETFs that were shorting made me feel vaguely guilty. :)

Axe on July 3, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Midwestprincesse on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Someone here the other evening dropped me a link, sorry for the slow response, couldn’t locate it for you. It showed 5 promising scenarios.

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 11:58 PM

trust=true

bazil9 on July 3, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Yes.

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

How true that is. And hello to you, my friend.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 11:58 PM

wolly4321 on July 3, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Have you ever tried Idahoan instant potatoes? Mmmmmmmm, so good.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 11:58 PM

SparkPlug on July 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Dave said to vote for Gary Johnson..:):)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Can anyone tell me how many Senate seats are in play?

I know the Senate will gain an R from WI, regardless of who runs.

Midwestprincesse on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

I’m not sure how many are truly competetive, but

Currently, Democrats are expected to have 23 seats up for election, including 2 independents who caucus with the Democrats, while Republicans are expected to have only 10 seats up for election.

The article also has a run-down of which specific seats are being voted on this time around.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Can anyone tell me how many Senate seats are in play?

I know the Senate will gain an R from WI, regardless of who runs.

Midwestprincesse on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Realclearpolitics has a running series on the Senate fight, a tab along the top: Battle for the Senate

Not a simple answer.

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Tomorrow is Dependence Day.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Not for me.

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:00 AM

holy shat, Baltimore’s ahead!

4-0

no crying in baseball, seattle

Slade73 on July 4, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Can anyone tell me how many Senate seats are in play?

I know the Senate will gain an R from WI, regardless of who runs.

Midwestprincesse on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Someone posted this here a few days ago.

1. Mark Newmann (Wisconsin)
2. Danny Rehberg (Montana)
3. Rick Burg (North Dakota)
4. George Allan (Virginia)
5. Connie Mack (Florida)
6. Sarah Steelman (Missouri)
7. John Raese (West Virginia)
8. Josh Mandel (Ohio)
9. Deb Fischer (Nebraska)
10. Heather Wilson (New Mexico)

Scott Brown MA and Dean Hellar NV are in danger of losing their seats so help them out too.
.

Barred on June 30, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Hope that helps.

JPeterman on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Yep. It’s a closed group. Ace is NOT a member

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Thank you for the info!..:)

PS..I just can’t see Ace as a FB person!..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

How true that is. And hello to you, my friend.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Truer words seldom spoken. ; ) Hello to you predator, big holiday plans?

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Greta was encouraging Rep. Gowdy to take the contempt charge to both the civil and circuit court ASAP, last night. I saw her and Byron York tonight saying that they think eventually Holder will give in, they are just trying to see if it reaps any political mileage. So far I don’t think the racist meme is gaining any traction.

Cindy Munford on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Dave said to vote for Gary Johnson..:):)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Heh. :)

I’d “lol” but I’m broke and can’t afford the tax. :)

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Can anyone tell me how many Senate seats are in play?

I know the Senate will gain an R from WI, regardless of who runs.

Midwestprincesse on July 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM

1/3rd of the Senate is up every 2 years. The Democrats have 21 + Liebermann (vacant) and Sanders up this year and 23 seats in 2014.

Resist We Much on July 4, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Hope that helps.

JPeterman on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Nice to know someone around here is paying attention. ; )

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Scott Brown MA and Dean Hellar NV are in danger of losing their seats so help them out too.JPeterman on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Hopefully SB can hold off the White Cherokee Indian princess..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Holder gave his first interview, after the contempt vote, and said it’s all about him and Obama. Basta.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 11:56 PM

The way to make a lie believable is to tell a little bit of truth with it. Holder is right, it really is all about him and Obama. It just isn’t about him and Obama in the way he is claiming it is. It’s all about how he and Obama conspired to break US Law and arrange the murder of hundreds of innocent Mexican citizen to further their goal of abolishing the 2nd Amendment.

SWalker on July 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM

I’d “lol” but I’m broke and can’t afford the tax. :)

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Go ahead, this one’s on me.

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Dave said to vote for Gary Johnson..:):)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Heh. :)

I’d “lol” but I’m broke and can’t afford the tax. :)

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

that’s like, 487 smiley taxes

Slade73 on July 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

I cant really explain here. It is a little complex. Devil is in the details. If you have meatheadinca as a friend on FB- he can give you my email. I would be happy to help if you need direction.
All plans will have to follow the O guidelines..as far as coverage built in..so many plan options now will change by 2014. If it is deemed as not major medical coverage under the affordable healthcare legislation..it will be gone.

bazil9 on July 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Nice to know someone around here is paying attention. ; )

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:02 AM

It does help!..:)

PS..Wish canopfor was still runnng mission control!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Democrat’s accidental vote legalizes natural gas fracking in North Carolina

Smart Power!

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Schadenfreudig beyond belief…since they are the ‘smart’ ones.

Sad that the world is not saner.

Schadenfreude on July 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Truer words seldom spoken. ; ) Hello to you predator, big holiday plans?

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

9:52 tee time followed by the local parade/celebration. Fireworks were this past weekend. I plan to display the flag proudly and remember what we are supposed to be about as a nation.

predator on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

The article also has a run-down of which specific seats are being voted on this time around.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Also, for what it’s worth, Intrade seems to think we’re just on the edge of narrowly taking the Senate. The break-down is:

32.6% Dems control the Senate
54.4% Repubs control the Senate
18.6% Neither control

RINO in Name Only on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Have you ever seen the movie 1776? Tomorrow is for celebrating the most audacious attempt of governing by the people and for the people with liberty and freedom as the ultimate goal. I want to remember that tomorrow and worry about righting the course the day after.

Cindy Munford on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Heh. :)

I’d “lol” but I’m broke and can’t afford the tax. :)

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM
LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

One of my favorite songs, by the female I rate as the sexiest rock chick ever (at her peak, she’s my fave female rock vocalist, too, but, unfortunately, imo her peak occurred a few years before they recorded this – not that I don’t like her singing here, however!)

The song’s message is probably too positive/uplifting right now for some here who who’d prefer to wallow in misery, but, I shouldn’t care about that, should I? :)

Better Days

Bizarro No. 1 on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Tommy Thompson is leading in WI.
Fischer has a sizable lead in NE. Those two will be a flip to R.

Hope Allen will pull out in VA, and Mack in FL, but they are narrowly behind. If they do, those will be 2 more flip to R

McCaskill, the incumbent may be vulnerable, it will be a flip to R

IN may be tight for Mourdock, Berg in ND and Heller in NV, and do not understand why it is close in MA for Scott Brown.

No information on the race in ME, but GOP does not have a strong horse in that race, a potential loss of a seat. The three in question: ME, MA and IN.

bayview on July 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Good info, but I’m not sure if Tommy will be the candidate. I think it’ll be between Eric Hovde (new blood, but good blood) and Thompson. Either one will beat Baldwin. Baldwin is far, far, far to the Left.

I know one of the candidates in MO is a Palin-inspired type of candidate and both of them (I think there are two) are leading.

If our candidates will win, why is everyone so bummed? I mean be defeated, but never down.

Midwestprincesse on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

PS..Wish canopfor was still runnng mission control!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Yep. He has been doing a little linky mischief lately. Nice to see.

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Purely speculation on my part, but has the Eric Holder Gang struck again?

ICE agent shot in Texas conducting investigation in stable condition

An agent for ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations was shot Tuesday morning in Texas while conducting surveillance in a criminal investigation, a spokeswoman from the agency said.

The shooting occurred in Hidalgo County, Texas, which is near the Mexican border and a known drug-trafficking route.

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

I expect that the list of SN’s of F&F guns is hidden in the same place as the scotch-taped version of little Bammie’s birth certificate, so we might never know.

slickwillie2001 on July 4, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Democrat’s accidental vote legalizes natural gas fracking in North Carolina

Smart Power!

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

LOL!!

Oh yeah, tax me bro!

JPeterman on July 4, 2012 at 12:06 AM

INC on July 3, 2012 at 11:51 PM

If you like, send me an email and let me know what’s going on…

Gohawgs on July 4, 2012 at 12:07 AM

“He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation”

Law of seas treaty, the UN, countless examples..

wolly4321 on July 4, 2012 at 12:07 AM

9:52 tee time followed by the local parade/celebration. Fireworks were this past weekend. I plan to display the flag proudly and remember what we are supposed to be about as a nation.

predator on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Now that my friends is a plan!..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:07 AM

bazil9 on July 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

I don’t do facebook. I’m just going to wait and see. He’s old enough to worry about it himself. But he’s invincible, don’t you know.

Cindy Munford on July 4, 2012 at 12:07 AM

9:52 tee time followed by the local parade/celebration. Fireworks were this past weekend. I plan to display the flag proudly and remember what we are supposed to be about as a nation.

predator on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Good deal. predator, you don’t happen to have one of those throw away emails, do ya?

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Go ahead, this one’s on me.

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM

that’s like, 487 smiley taxes

Slade73 on July 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM

lol

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:08 AM

I went on a camping trip and brought along some powdered water. Just add water and presto you got instant water.

But we had to carry lots of beer and pretzels which are a lot heavier than the powdered water.

SparkPlug on July 4, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I’ve never heard of them or the song. If that was truly 1975, they seem a bit ahead of their time, I would have thought them 80′s genre. Not a bad all in all.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Yeah, that was from Boston, ’75. They weren’t widely known, but they have a cult rep. I think they’re somewhat overrated by their fan base, but I do like the “Cindy” song I posted by them a lot!

Bizarro No. 1 on July 4, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I know and can you imagine letting your kids be miserable all day and in possible need of an antibiotic just to save the cost of an office visit?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 11:56 PM

No I personally cant.
It is easy to compare the true cost of an ER visit vs. a PCP visit or here in FL, we have minuet clinics.
High Deductible Health Plans coupled with an HSA made people own it. They made better choices when they had to pay and make their own choices. If you dont have a co-pay but see the true cost- you make different choices.

bazil9 on July 4, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Good deal. predator, you don’t happen to have one of those throw away emails, do ya?

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:08 AM

If you’re talking email addys I’ve got a throw away and a keeper. You can have either, or both.

predator on July 4, 2012 at 12:11 AM

that’s like, 487 smiley taxes

Slade73 on July 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM

lol

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Dang, they won’t like that if I paste that many smileys in here. Isn’t there like a big smiley that could count as 100? Then I could just paste the 5 and you could give me change.

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:11 AM

bazil9 on July 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Wait a minute..I thought obiecare was FREE..Like the gas for my car and the mortage on my house!!..Someone has lead me astray!..:):)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Greta was encouraging Rep. Gowdy to take the contempt charge to both the civil and circuit court ASAP, last night.

Cindy Munford on July 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Video GOP Rep. Gowdy: “If I Was Inspector General I Would Plan For A Very Long Day On Capitol Hill”

Flora Duh on July 4, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Since it is the fourth, at least on the East Coast….

Check it out. You will like.

KCB on July 4, 2012 at 12:12 AM

predator on July 4, 2012 at 12:11 AM

I wanted to give you something off thread. Throw away if you don’t want it compromised in public here on the thread.

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:12 AM

“He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us”

Yep.

wolly4321 on July 4, 2012 at 12:14 AM

he’s invincible, don’t you know.

Cindy Munford on July 4, 2012 at 12:07 AM

lol..I know Mrs. Cindy. ;)

bazil9 on July 4, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Cindy Munford on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

To each their own. We can do both, so far, as we please. Just remember, Roberts put the extra-Constitutional tax to the stage before the Revolution.

What he did was betray his oath to be faithful to the Constitution of the United States.

Who he betrayed were the hundreds of millions of Americans – past, present and future – whole generations in the past who have fought and died for a freedom that he has put in jeopardy, in a moment of intellectual inspiration and moral forgetfulness, 300 million Americans today whose lives are to be regimented by Washington bureaucrats, and generations yet unborn who may never know the individual freedoms that their ancestors took for granted.

Some claim that Chief Justice Roberts did what he did to save the Supreme Court as an institution from the wrath – and retaliation – of those in Congress who have been railing against Justices who invalidate the laws they have passed. Many in the media and in academia have joined the shrill chorus of those who claim that the Supreme Court does not show proper “deference” to the legislative branch of government.

But what does the Bill of Rights seek to protect the ordinary citizen from? The government! To defer to those who expand government power beyond its constitutional limits is to betray those whose freedom depends on the Bill of Rights.

Schadenfreude on July 4, 2012 at 12:15 AM

If our candidates will win, why is everyone so bummed? I mean be defeated, but never down.

Midwestprincesse on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

I agree!..This is not OVER!..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Flora Duh on July 4, 2012 at 12:12 AM

The Inspector General in this instance is not very impressive is he? Just how long does it take to make a report?

Cindy Munford on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Wait a minute..I thought obiecare was FREE..Like the gas for my car and the mortage on my house!!..Someone has lead me astray!..:):)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:11 AM

HEY! The oceans have stopped rising, haven’t they? What do you want from the guy! :)

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Wait a minute..I thought obiecare was FREE..Like the gas for my car and the mortage on my house!!..Someone has lead me astray!..:):)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:11 AM

:) Of course..that $1000 MRI you had done..was just magically free. Everything is free since the Won got elected.

bazil9 on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 AM

PS..Wish canopfor was still runnng mission control!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM

I believe that lotion boy can take credit for that miscarriage of justice…

Gohawgs on July 4, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Yeah – no picture of Roberts smirking tonight.

That’s a step in the right direction.

gophergirl on July 4, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 11:37 PM

This is my response to the UN AND Eric Holder.

http://youtu.be/2cQ7ldhD05E

Flora Duh on July 4, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Gotta love the Eeyores among conservatives: “Oh, the GOP will never repeal ObamaCare, woe is me!”

Yet there is no remaining GOP congressman who voted FOR it in the first place (the one lost his seat in 2010), and the House has already voted to repeal it once. Nothing comes to a vote in the Senate unless the Majority Leader allows it, and Reid isn’t going to allow it. Some morons think O’Connell should attempt it anyway, just to annoy Reid, because it would make them feel better. That’s why they are morons.

Others proclaim repeal under reconciliation is impossible because not every provision is a revenue measure, and yet that is exactly how it was passed, bypassing the usual reconciliation procedure with a ruling by the Senate Parliamentarian (which is only advisory anyway).

IF we are able to elect a Republican President and Congress and they do not repeal it, then the naysayers will have every right to kvetch about it. Until then, they are arguing against every direct evidence on this issue.

Adjoran on July 4, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Schadenfreude on July 4, 2012 at 12:15 AM

I’m not sure if you’ve read this editorial, but here it is. It’s a good one.

The seduction of Chief Justice Roberts

Chief Justice Roberts is said by friends to have wanted most to enhance the “reputation” of the court by avoiding a “partisan” 5-4 decision overturning Obamacare. But he would write a passage to restrain Congress from doing bad things in future in the name of the Commerce Clause. He could have put his restraint of the Commerce Clause into a decision overturning Obamacare — the four conservatives on the court were eager to do it — but that would have meant no applause from the left. So the rest of us are stuck with Obamacare, the elites console themselves with a moral victory, and Chief Justice Roberts has established the reputation of the court as a lap dog for every Congress from now on, “moving forward” in cheerful disregard of enumerated powers

Read it all if you haven’t before.

JPeterman on July 4, 2012 at 12:18 AM

I wanted to give you something off thread. Throw away if you don’t want it compromised in public here on the thread.

Bmore on July 4, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Ah-ha. That calls for a riddle. The winner of the ’95 Derby, in one word and lower case @mchsi.com.
That’s my throw away.

predator on July 4, 2012 at 12:18 AM

The Inspector General in this instance is not very impressive is he? Just how long does it take to make a report?

Cindy Munford on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Over 18 months apparently.

Flora Duh on July 4, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Oh yeah, tax me bro!

JPeterman on July 4, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Don’t miss this. It’s how most will escape the taxes, thus making the costs for those who pay enormous.

The young and the old must be informed. The young will pay the most and the old don’t know that Medicare has been robbed, in addition to already being unfunded, as is Social Security. The vaults are empty but the public doesn’t know, yet.

Also, 401/403Ks to be raided and house sales to be taxed by 3.8%, by both sides of the isle, to pay for this extra-Constitutional travesty.

One more thing, the word “illegal” in illegal alien, is no longer PC.

Hey world, go to the USA. It’s Nirvana and it’s free.

Schadenfreude on July 4, 2012 at 12:19 AM

HEY! The oceans have stopped rising, haven’t they? What do you want from the guy! :)

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Well hey man let’s hold hands and sing!..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM

If our candidates will win, why is everyone so bummed? I mean be defeated, but never down.

Midwestprincesse on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

I like your moxie. This is not over.

predator on July 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Dave has been going around peeling off Vote Mitt bumper stickers and replacing them with

Erect Johnson and Screw the politicians.

SparkPlug on July 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM

“Republicans say they trust the people.”

Butt-Boy Brooks

First sign of a propagandist and fool — ascribing one thought and voice to 40 million people.

Jaibones on July 4, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Flora Duh on July 4, 2012 at 12:17 AM

That’s pretty crazy. I only heard of these guys two days ago. I just linked their version of the National Anthem a few seconds ago. Enjoyed this jam, as well as your other posts tonight.

KCB on July 4, 2012 at 12:22 AM

:) Of course..that $1000 MRI you had done..was just magically free. Everything is free since the Won got elected.

bazil9 on July 4, 2012 at 12:16 AM

You have to laugh to keep from crying..But a lot of folks think Obiecare will be free!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Yeah – no picture of Roberts smirking tonight.

That’s a step in the right direction.

gophergirl on July 4, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Here you go, this should piss you off for the evening ;)

Photo of the Day: Turncoat Chief Justice Arrives at “Impregnable Island Fortress”

JPeterman on July 4, 2012 at 12:22 AM

bazil9 on July 4, 2012 at 12:11 AM

With the no fault health coverage for automobile accidents and the doc in the boxes you really can get by in Florida. I still would like him to have something. Right now the way he looks at it, he might go to the doctors once a year to the tune of $76 and the insurance offered at his job is $67 a pay period (every two weeks). The math doesn’t compute. The Obamacare tax/penalty/mandate still puts him ahead of the game.

Cindy Munford on July 4, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Gotta roll.
As my friend Bmore says..bless the cup :)
I actually have some time off.
Good to see some good people here-and a special shout out to Predator.
Y’all take care and have a wonderful 4th.

bazil9 on July 4, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Bizarro No. 1 on July 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

I bet lotion boy prefers a different Divinyls song when viewing his Meggie Mac back fat portfolio…

Gohawgs on July 4, 2012 at 12:22 AM

I put this at the top of the best vocal performances I’ve heard. Sandi Patty is the only vocalist I consider to be in the same league as Marion – she’s the person Little Richard ripped off his “whoopin’” from, and many people consider her the best vocalist of the 20th century…

Oh, it’s message probably won’t resonate well with any pity partiers here, either! :)

It Is Well With My Soul

Bizarro No. 1 on July 4, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Doh!
I have an idea.
*cracks knuckles*
Later guys! Have a great 4th.
*abrupt emergency transport*

Axe on July 4, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Erect Johnson and Screw the politicians.

SparkPlug on July 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM

roflmao!..Just perfect!..:)

Dire Straits on July 4, 2012 at 12:23 AM

gophergirl on July 4, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Roberts wearing a dunce hat or a propeller beanie would be nice.

SparkPlug on July 4, 2012 at 12:23 AM

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