Quotes of the day

posted at 9:11 pm on July 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

Hostility toward the Supreme Court has risen sharply since Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. upheld the Obama health care law. People are apparently angry that the court didn’t rid them of a law they detest. But that’s silly. If Americans want to replace this thing, they should do it themselves

Republicans say they trust the people. If that’s true, then they won’t waste another futile breath bashing the court for upholding Obamacare. They’ll explicitly tell the country how they would replace it. Democracy is a contest between alternatives, not a deus ex machina stroke from the lords in black robes.

***

It’s on his to-do list, but U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says the odds are against repealing the health care law championed by President Barack Obama…

“If you thought it was a good idea for the federal government to go in this direction, I’d say the odds are still on your side,” McConnell said. “Because it’s a lot harder to undo something than it is to stop it in the first place.”…

If given control of the Senate next year, McConnell said he would support using budget reconciliation rules to repeal it. Doing so would prohibit Senate filibusters and require only 51 votes to succeed. In 2010, Republicans lambasted Democrats for relying on these rules to pass the health care bill, calling their tactics unusual and hyperpartisan.

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So now McConnell says he will force the issue before the election and then make repeal of Obamacare priority number one if the GOP takes back the Senate, but the odds are against full repeal. This is code for Republican leaders, timid as they are and driven by polling, keeping parts of Obamacare instead of doing full repeal and starting over.

The truth is many Republicans like parts of Obamacare. The truth is a number of Senate Republicans were willing to vote back in December of 2009 that the individual mandate was unconstitutional while keeping their names on healthcare legislation by Senator Bob Bennett that had an individual mandate.

The truth is with Republican leaders like we have in both Houses, who needs the Democrats? It was not just Democrats responsible for $16 trillion in debt. Even now, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell and the rest are trying to find ways to weasel out of paying down the debt and bring back earmarks.

When Republicans won’t fight on their ground, they just won’t fight.

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Even if Republicans win big on Election Day, though, repealing the Affordable Care Act will be a tall order

For Republicans, the dream of using reconciliation to torpedo the law is predicated on winning a net of three Senate seats, retaining the House and winning the presidency. Then both chambers would have to pass a budget resolution that includes reconciliation instructions. Romney’s vice president would be called upon to break a possible 50-50 roll call in the Senate…

Then, in the Senate, once a reconciliation bill came to the floor, Democrats could challenge specific provisions. They could say, for example, that any savings from repealing certain parts of the healthcare law would only be incidental. If they won those challenges, those parts of the law would remain in place…

“I think the bottom line is, it’s plausible to use reconciliation, but it’s really hard to know which provisions will pass muster,” Binder said.

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Chief Justice John Roberts ruled that the financial penalty enforcing the individual mandate is within Congress’s constitutional power to “lay and collect Taxes,” and that the mandate and penalty are inextricably linked. This should suffice to enable repeal, through reconciliation, of both the individual and employer mandates, and their respective penalty taxes.

The state exchanges and insurance rules—”guaranteed issue,” which forces an insurer to sell a policy to someone who is already sick, and “community rating,” which severely limits the insurer’s right to charge that person a higher premium—are procedurally more difficult. Yet both are linked to the individual mandate, which increases taxes. Whether they can be repealed in a reconciliation bill will ultimately be decided by the Senate Parliamentarian.

Once the individual mandate is repealed, these popular insurance changes cannot stand by themselves. Without the mandate, people have every incentive to save on premiums and not buy insurance until they fall ill. This will send premiums through the roof for healthy people and, if the government clamps down on increased premiums, destroy private insurance companies. Those Republicans who say they favor legislated guaranteed-issue and community-rating requirements but oppose the mandate will be forced to acknowledge that all three must go.

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[W]e all know the GOP’s myriad failures of will and principle over recent years. But it’s time to act, not to bicker. As a practical matter, no Democrat is ever going to vote for repeal. John Tester can film a commercial with a gun to show he’s not one of those wussy coastal libs, but when he leaves Montana, off come the cowboy boots and on go the Birkenstocks and he’s a guaranteed vote against repeal.

A vote for any Democrat is a vote for Obamacare. A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama. Period. That’s just a fact. One can whine and complain and mope, but unless you are actively supporting the GOP down the line, you are supporting Obama and Obamacare.

But giving some money and your vote, even if Mitt infuriated you in the primary, is not enough. The counterattack needs your time.

It needs you to help with the crummy scut work of elections, knocking on doors and making calls. It needs you getting active in social media to spread the word and fight the smears – on Facebook, on Twitter, wherever. It needs you to talk to your friends and neighbors, particularly the dumb ones who tune into politics about 15 minutes before the polls open. The dumb ones are natural Obama voters and require your special attention.

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“All that [Court ruling] did was energize conservatives,” declared Rasmussen in an exclusive interview on Monday. “The conservative interest in the election was already much higher than that of moderates and liberals. It went up to really stratospheric levels right after the ruling. We don’t know if that will continue or if it’s just a temporary response to the news cycle.”…

“Now as for that vote next week, while people were calling it symbolic, one of the interesting things to watch will be how many Democratic congressmen will sign on and support the repeal,” Rasmussen said. “There will probably be a fair number of Democratic members of Congress who are too afraid for their own future to vote in support of the healthcare law.”

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In an exclusive interview with Breitbart News today, Senator McConnell put all … fears to rest. “I have said many times that if I’m the leader of the majority next year, I commit to the American people that the repeal of ‘Obamacare’ will be job one,” he reiterated. “That includes pursuing reconciliation. What people need to understand is that this is literally a fight for the future of our country and Democrats have proven during this debate that they will stop at nothing to protect this massive expansion of government into our lives and our health care. We need to be aware that this will take every ounce of our energy to accomplish.”

McConnell went on to explain that the fight would not stop with the election: “Our success is dependent upon the voices of the many who are concerned about Obamacare to get involved and stay involved. Do not shut up, do not sit down, do not be intimidated. Keep fighting with every ounce of energy you have. We’ll do the same. The road to repeal begins with a Republican Senate and Mitt Romney in the White House, but it won’t end for me until this historic mistake is wiped off the books for good.”

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Just desserts: Tests Suggest Arafat Died of Polonium Poisoning

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Happy Independence Day to ya all…..

*For the first time in my adult life..
I am not happy…*

Is there a pill for that?

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Are you willing to kill the mandate even if the requirement for covering pre-existing conditions remains?

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I was talking about killing the bill in it’s entirety, which would cover that as well, wouldn’t it? If the entire bill is canned then everything in it is dead. Maybe I’m wrong.

I haven’t read the damn thing, which, come to think of it, makes me eligible to be in the House of Representatives. But I think I’ll stick to mainframe computer operations just the same.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 10:01 PM

That is exactly what he did. There is no other purpose for the U.S. Supreme Court other than to uphold the Constitution. As it is written, not as they imagine it to be. These activist Justices and Judges are many of our problems.

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:14 PM

romney is mcain 2. you can smell it. the incompetence. the infighting. would love to be a fly on the wall listening to the conversations of other mitt staffers regarding fernstrom.
and who came up with the jet ski photos? talk about optics.

if mitts the nominee then i feel a peggy lee song coming on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF9mVi2KQXg

renalin on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Hostility toward the Supreme Court has risen sharply since Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. upheld the Obama health care law.

Rightfully so. Roberts wrote in his opinion that “Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR POLITICAL CHOICES.”

Let’s assume that the Democrats wanted to call it a tax, but didn’t (they actually DID change it from a tax to a penalty) FOR POLITICAL REASONS. Fine.

If it is not the Court’s job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices, then IS IT NOT LIKEWISE TRUE THAT THE JOB OF THE COURT IS NOT TO PROTECT ELECTED OFFICIALS IN CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR POLITICAL CHOICES?

Why should the Supreme Court provide cover for Congress? Why should the Supreme Court provide cover a President?

If Congress meant for it to be a tax, but deliberately chose to label it a penalty due to political considerations, IT IS ***NOT*** THE JOB OF THE CHIEF JUSTICE TO PROTECT THE RULING CLASS FROM EITHER THEIR OWN FOLLY (WRITING UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS AND HAVING THEM THEM BEING DECLARED SO, i.e., THE MANDATE IS A “PENALTY”) OR THEIR POLITICAL DECISIONS (VOTING TO INCREASE TAXES, i.e., THE MANDATE IS A “TAX”).

On whose side is the Court? It would appear the DC-Establishment and, certainly, not the people; thus, they have every right to be hostile.

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

LOL, so go ahead and tell me again that I’m crazy for predicting the GOP will NOT repeal this thing.

Here we are, less than a week after the SC decision, and every day they get a little more open about ‘managing those expectations’, telling us they’re not going to do it.

Pay attention, people. You think folks are pissed today, guess how that’s going to be after everyone busts their butts getting GOP elected and in charge of all three branches, then they do exactly what they’re showing you now that they’re going to do – *not* repeal Obamacare.

You know this. We all know this. But do, tell us again how this next election is going to fix everything.

Midas on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Lubbock’s being over-run by BR’s. I haven’t seen any since last year. I hope to keep it that way.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

We have them here, too. But not in great numbers. I do spray periodically.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Lubbock’s being over-run by BR’s.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Are they documented? Has Barry pandered to them by giving them permits?

bayview on July 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

… and HA, please stop posting the autoplay vids, for f@#$s sake.

Midas on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I got a fundraising call from Gary Johnson, but I told him I prefer to stay at Marriots when I travel.

Bishop on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Little Bammie’s sinkhole of Government Motors isn’t getting any smaller: Government Motors: As GM Shares Near Record Low, Taxpayer Loss on Bailout Rises to $35 Billion

Truth is, little Bammie’s ownership is propping up the price of GM. Contrast government treatement of the Chevy Volt fires with the fake-problem of sudden acceleration in Toyotas. When he loses in November watch for GM to crash further. Today’s stock price may be anticipating that.

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Just desserts: Tests Suggest Arafat Died of Polonium Poisoning

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

slick

workingclass artist on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

we don’t get erectile dysfunction. so we have that going for us.

renalin on July 3, 2012 at 9:37 PM

…you don’t get erectile dysfunction, because you ARE an erectile dysfunction!

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

I was talking about killing the bill in it’s entirety, which would cover that as well, wouldn’t it? If the entire bill is canned then everything in it is dead.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Yep. H.R. 3590 contains both the mandate and pre-existing conditions.

jaime on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Hostility toward the Supreme Court has risen sharply since Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. upheld the Obama health care law. People are apparently angry that the court didn’t rid them of a law they detest. But that’s silly.

Hostility, Apparently, Angry, Silly.

I’m sorry, AP, but you’re an idiot on this.

Or are you aiming to provoke? Hmmm.

Yes, we have a chance to REDEEM the situation in 2012 — and we will, insofar as kicking Obama’s shiny ass out of office is concerned. But that possibility (for redemption) does not change the fact that Roberts did not royally screw the pooch here, and has no logical footing to stand on with his “majority” ruling.

He RULED that the ObamaCare as “penalty” FAILED with regard to the Commerce Clause, but PASSES MUSTER with regard to Congress’s power to TAX.

That, of course, is total sophistic bullshit.

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silly |ˈsilē|
adjective ( -lier , -liest )
having or showing a lack of common sense or judgment; absurd and foolish : another of his silly jokes | “Don’t be silly!” she said.
• ridiculously trivial or frivolous : he would brood about silly things.
• [as complement ] used to convey that an activity or process has been engaged in to such a degree that someone is no longer capable of thinking or acting sensibly : he often drank himself silly | his mother worried herself silly over him.
• archaic (esp. of a woman, child, or animal) helpless; defenseless.
noun ( pl. -lies) informal
a foolish person (often used as a form of address) : Come on, silly.
PHRASES
the silly season high summer, regarded as the season when newspapers often publish trivial material because of a lack of important news.
DERIVATIVES
sillily |ˈsiləlē| adverb
silliness noun
ORIGIN late Middle English (in the sense [deserving of pity or sympathy] ): alteration of dialect seely [happy,] later [innocent, feeble,] from a West Germanic base meaning [luck, happiness.] The sense [foolish] developed via the stages [feeble] and [unsophisticated, ignorant.]

minnesoter on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

If a suitably attractive replacement is offered, maybe we could get some Dem senators to go across the aisle and support repeal, and thus get to 60. Of course, it would be better to get to 60 Repubs in the Senate, but that’s a tall order (donate$). If all else fails, do the reconciliation route as best we can… that is, if we win the presidency, keep the house, and win the senate (donate$).

anotherJoe on July 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

romney is mcain 2. you can smell it. the incompetence. the infighting. would love to be a fly on the wall listening to the conversations of other mitt staffers regarding fernstrom.
and who came up with the jet ski photos? talk about optics.

if mitts the nominee then i feel a peggy lee song coming on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF9mVi2KQXg

renalin on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Vote for who will have your back…
And then pray that they will have your back..

Obama v. Romney…..

One has taken away my daughters doctors…
One has taken away my health care costs…
One has taken…period!

Answer is simple..
ABO.

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

bayview on July 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Judging by the friends who have had to deal w/ ‘em this year-my guess is they’re undocumented and they’re benefiting from an amnesty.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Are you willing to kill the mandate even if the requirement for covering pre-existing conditions remains?

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Yes, because that’s not insurance. If I can wait to get homeowner’s insurance until my home is on fire, then that’s not insurance. I could understand putting in language that required a waiting period, i.e., if an illness was found within a certain time frame, but if we need to cover people with very ill people, I don’t think forcing companies to take them at the same cost as a healthy/fairly healthy person is fair. Insurance companies will only be allowed to charge 3 rates. Sorry, but I don’t believe that the person with a spotless driving record should see his auto insurance skyrocket so that the kid with the 3 crashes and 4 speeding tickets can pay less. “Fairness” is a two-way street.

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Truth is, little Bammie’s ownership is propping up the price of GM. Contrast government treatement of the Chevy Volt fires with the fake-problem of sudden acceleration in Toyotas. When he loses in November watch for GM to crash further. Today’s stock price may be anticipating that.

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Hopefully I will have money to Short GM stocks with when that happens… BWAHAHAHAH…..

SWalker on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

You know this. We all know this. But do, tell us again how this next election is going to fix everything.

Midas on July 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

It will give the GOP one final opportunity to either prove themselves to America or join the demorats, and if they join with the fascists then we finally know that no one will actually represent us. At that point the states start to splinter away and things get really fun, but that’s just what it might take to wrest the nation back.

Bishop on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

A reptile dysfunction?
No one likes a dysfunctional lizard.
What?

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

If anyone is interested in the difference between the two candidates they need to get/borrow from a library or friend
“Amateur.”
Boy if this book doesn’t scare the %$#$^^$ out of you, you have no brains!
This man and all of his sycophants need to be thrown out of the oval office and our White House in general.
It’s scary when you think he has from Nov 6 to Jan 20 to do so much damage to the White House and to our country with the things he is doing with the UN to put us under their thumb.
Listen to Lou Dobbs tonight.

Bambi on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Yep. H.R. 3590 contains both the mandate and pre-existing conditions.

jaime on July 3, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Thanks jaime. I have a hard time keeping up with it all.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

See Hopeless Joe? Joe Biden Attempts to Salute, Fails Miserably

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

evenin’folks…any tuesday night doc dumps from the administration?

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

i trust mitt before i trust mitchie….

dang it, another snatching defeat…

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Hopefully I will have money to Short GM stocks with when that happens… BWAHAHAHAH…..

SWalker on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I wish I had shorted GM stocks last year when it was over 35. If I had, I could afford to stay in the Marriots like Bishop.

bayview on July 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Happy Independence Day to ya all…..

*For the first time in my adult life..
I am not happy…*

Is there a pill for that?

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

…no…but there are some liquids we can use…until one comes out that some Czar approves of…*clink*

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

The only reason it’ll be tough to repeal Maobamacare is due to wimps like McConnell, Cantor, Boehner, and yes Romney himself.

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

evenin’folks…any tuesday night doc dumps from the administration?

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Haven’t seem them..

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Marriots have bunker suites?

wolly4321 on July 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

*clink*

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

*clink*

Since my glass was near by…

:)

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

make sure you drink a couple of adult beverages tomorrow to celebrate

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

*clink*

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

*clink*

Since my glass was near by…

:)

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

*clink* may as well start now :)

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Hopefully I will have money to Short GM stocks with when that happens… BWAHAHAHAH…..

SWalker on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I wish I had shorted GM stocks last year when it was over 35. If I had, I could afford to stay in the Marriots like Bishop.

bayview on July 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM

ROTFLMAO… Wouldn’t it be totally glorious if a bunch of us shorted GM, and then found out that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and a bunch of congress critter ended up being the ones holding the bag when it crashed… ;#>

SWalker on July 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

A couple of excerpts from the Breitbart article:

Remember the original? All the Tea Party did two years ago was take Obamacare, hang its putrid carcass around the Democrats, and send 60 of them packing off to find real jobs in the biggest Congressional housecleaning since FDR. Sure, the Dems have been telling us for almost two years that the Tea Party is disappearing, but why would we believe they can see it going away now when they couldn’t see it coming on back then?

And let’s assess our opponents. They are the usual Democrat suspects: welfare cheats handed a few bucks to carry protest signs they can barely read, government union losers still limping from the butt kicking we handed them in Wisconsin, aging law students who think we ought to chip in for their diaphragms, Hollywood stars who wonder why the rest of us don’t just eat cake, and an Administration with a track record of failure so complete they think that a 5-4 decision keeping a program Americans hate with a cold fury alive to be Topic A during the coming election is something to celebrate.

Yeah, it may be constitutional for now, but we’ll see who the bitches are in November.
End of excerpts. Now that’s the kind of attitude I like!!!

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 10:46 PM

make sure you drink a couple of adult beverages tomorrow to celebrate

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Done…

Oh..

You mean tomorrow……

Done..

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:46 PM

A reptile dysfunction?
No one likes a dysfunctional lizard.
What?

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

…not a lizard…boa constrictor!

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

*clink* may as well start now :)

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

From my post…post..

done…
:)

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:48 PM

i hope everyone on this board who reads this post will look into their hearts and see that romney will lose in november.

the time to dump him is now. send his jet skis to malta where he can chill with his homey, and lets get this country back.

our only hope is a conservative president. if romney wins the nomination we are doomed.

renalin on July 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

How many people here at HA realize that, by the process of elimination, it’s almost a 100% certainty that you are Jan Terri?

Losing You

Bizarro No. 1 on July 3, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I haven’t read the damn thing, which, come to think of it, makes me eligible to be in the House of Representatives.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Now, that they’ve passed it; Obama’s signed it; and, Roberts’ has used his legal diving rod, found a heretofore undiscovered tax in the Constitution, and blessed it, we (and the Democrats) are learning what is actually in it. To their great dismay, I’m sure, the Feds now find themselves in this pickle:

The Feds can’t force the states to create exchanges. The Feds can come in and set up exchanges in the states that elect not to create them, but there is a problem. When Democrats wrote the legislation, they forgot to include a funding mechanism for Federal government-run exchanges. Further, the Federal subsidies, per statute, can only be used in state-run exchanges.

Employers with less than 50 employees are not subject to the employer mandate that requires them provide health insurance. In states without exchanges, employers with more than 50 employees are exempt from the mandate, as well. Neither would have to pay the penalty where there is no state exchange. There goes some of the money that the Feds thought they would be generating.

If you are eligible for subsidies, but there is no exchange, you don’t have to pay the penalty. There goes some more of the money that the Feds thought they would be generating.

If your employer doesn’t provide insurance and there is no exchange, I think that you are exempt from the penalty, too, although this might only apply if you fall below a certain income level (IIRC, it was around $88,000 for a family of 4).

It appears that, with the exception of the insurance company mandates, Obamacare implementation could be greatly impeded if states opt out of the Medicaid expansion and refuse to create exchanges. Also, I just thought of this and I don’t remember the case, but there was a Rehnquist Court unanimous decision dealing with regulation that held the government couldn’t regulate a company into bankruptcy. Further, the Court held that businesses were entitled to a reasonable profit and government regulations could not be so severe as to deprive owners of same since that would be an unlawful taking, i.e. a violation of the Takings Clause.

If a state does not have an exchange, employers are not required to provide insurance, and Medicaid is not expanded, the insurance mandates could trigger the dread “death spiral.” The insurance companies might be able to argue that they should be exempt from the mandates in those states without the “captive audience” of subsidised customers, who can only purchase insurance on the exchange. Hmmmm….

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Oh great. Greta is talking about should Romney pick Jeb Bush for VP to get the latino vote. Who’s promoting this idea and are they testing the waters?

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Are you willing to kill the mandate even if the requirement for covering pre-existing conditions remains?

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I was talking about killing the bill in it’s entirety, which would cover that as well, wouldn’t it? If the entire bill is canned then everything in it is dead. Maybe I’m wrong.

I haven’t read the damn thing, which, come to think of it, makes me eligible to be in the House of Representatives. But I think I’ll stick to mainframe computer operations just the same.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I think this is wrong. I confess that I could join you in Congress, since I also have not read this obscenity in it’s entirety. However, the Budget Reconciliation process, as I understand it, only allows you to make budgetary changes. It does not let you pass any bill you want just because it effects the budget. If it did, the Democrats would have passed their entire bill via reconciliation, rather than passing the main bill unchanged from the 60-39 approved Senate bill, and then using reconciliation to amend it.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:46 PM

:)

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

The GOP will betray you!!..:)

The GOPe will betray you!!..For the true cons!..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Maaaan! I was hoping it would be something cool like a ‘Salty’ or a Gila Monster.
Boa’s are fugly.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Hello!..Big Fourth planned??..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Just say no to pandering.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

ugharoo, not jebbie

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM

A hardy *clink* to you all. May as well drink; country’s sure goin’ to hell. *Thanks Mitch, John, et al.*

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Hey
nope, just a little grillin in the backyard

you?

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

i trust mitt before i trust mitchie….

dang it, another snatching defeat…

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I agree with this point!..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

See Hopeless Joe? Joe Biden Attempts to Salute, Fails Miserably

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

…where’d his thumb go?…ya think it’s still in his butt?

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Now that we’ve finally found out what’s in it….we can’t understand it.

Bishop on July 3, 2012 at 10:53 PM

The GOP will betray you!!..:)

The GOPe will betray you!!..For the true cons!..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I filled in for you on the previous page..

Hope you don’t mind..

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Jurassic Park was a huge Reptile dysfunction.

SparkPlug on July 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

make it a double

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

clink*

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

*clink*

Since my glass was near by…

:)

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

*clink* may as well start now :)

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

*clink*

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Torches, pitchforks, tar and feathers sounds much easier. But then I’m a simple man.

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

On whose side is the Court? It would appear the DC-Establishment and, certainly, not the people; thus, they have every right to be hostile.

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Thank you! I heard something about that today and think it was on Rush, but couldn’t listen to all of it. Glad you are on HA to explain all of this!!

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Jurassic Park was a huge Reptile dysfunction.

SparkPlug on July 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM

There’s an injection for that…

I hear..

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

:)

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

make it a double

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

*clink, clink* ;)

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Yes, because that’s not insurance. If I can wait to get homeowner’s insurance until my home is on fire, then that’s not insurance. I could understand putting in language that required a waiting period, i.e., if an illness was found within a certain time frame, but if we need to cover people with very ill people, I don’t think forcing companies to take them at the same cost as a healthy/fairly healthy person is fair. Insurance companies will only be allowed to charge 3 rates. Sorry, but I don’t believe that the person with a spotless driving record should see his auto insurance skyrocket so that the kid with the 3 crashes and 4 speeding tickets can pay less. “Fairness” is a two-way street.

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I’m confused. I think you have my argument backwards, or maybe I said it backwards. I agree with this 100%. This is why we need to GET RID OF the requirement that insurance companies cover pre-existing conditions. But we can’t do that with Reconciliation, since it has nothing to do with the budget. We need the same 60 votes that the Dems needed to pass the requirement (which was in the main bill, NOT the amendments).

So if we kill the mandate, then private insurance is completely screwed. Granted, some of these companies deserve what they’re getting for backing Obamacare, but eliminating the mandate without eliminating the requirement that pre-existing conditions be covered means that no private insurance company can survive, period.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Nice post!

KCB on July 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

you?

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Pretty big..My Father’s side of the family has a big cookout!..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

*clink*

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM*clink*

Welcome friend…

Though I have had to fill my glass 4 times now..

:)

Electrongod on July 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Jurassic Park was a huge Reptile dysfunction.

SparkPlug on July 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Dr. Demento agrees…

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Watched “Midnight In Paris” last night. Quite enjoyable.

The job of the artist is not to succumb to despair, but to find an antidote for the emptiness of existence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ExqFAO85o&feature=related

bayview on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

*clink, clink* ;)

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

*clink*

*clink*

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Oh great. Greta is talking about should Romney pick Jeb Bush for VP to get the latino vote. Who’s promoting this idea and are they testing the waters?

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

no…no…no

*sigh*

as to who’s promoting this thingy…Rove

workingclass artist on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Oh great. Greta is talking about should Romney pick Jeb Bush for VP to get the latino vote. Who’s promoting this idea and are they testing the waters?

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I suspected this might happen. They are absolutely tone deaf.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Last night I said that while we were rending our garments/gnashing our teeth, Chief Justice Roberts was busy not giving a flip in Pulau, Pago Pago, or the Canary Islands.

Turns out his “impregnable island fortress” is Malta. First Monday in October, Mr. Roberts will be tanned, rested, and ready to…

**gulp**

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

heh

one of the interesting things to watch will be how many Democratic congressmen will sign on and support the repeal

i wonder about that…the lsm and dems keep crowing this is just a political stunt, yada, yada, yada, so i would assume it would be nil

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

our only hope is a conservative president. if romney wins the nomination we are doomed.

renalin on July 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

.
Ron Paul?

listens2glenn on July 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM

doomed! DOOMED! DOOMED I SAY! We will rot in the belly of a giant Slor and howl one thousand years!

Cthulhu Ryl’eh!

MARK MY WORDS. There can be no peace as long as Kirk Lives!

Axe on July 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Anybody watch Hell’s Kitchen tonight?

It was a really sad display to witness.

Red Team vs the Blue Team. The Red Team were supposed to be united to achieve one final goal – to defeat the Blue Team.

Instead it turned into one hellacious circular firing squad.

Whining, b*tchin’, turning on each oth…

Wait. Never mind.

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

America lost it’s Sheriff today!..
RIP Andy Griffith..Mayberry is going to miss you!..

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

excellent…enjoy!

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

predator on July 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM

*clink*

*clink*

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

*clink*..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Moonbat!

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

So if we kill the mandate, then private insurance is completely screwed. Granted, some of these companies deserve what they’re getting for backing Obamacare, but eliminating the mandate without eliminating the requirement that pre-existing conditions be covered means that no private insurance company can survive, period.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:57 PM

That’s the intention anyway, by design.

PatriotGal2257 on July 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

This group of anti-roms keep saying the same crap over and over. I just don’t see anything new , creative, or persuasive.

CW on July 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM

……..CW! WTF are you talking about? LOOK!!!! BeLOW…that’s not new????

I’m supporting Gary Johnson, the only candidate on every ballot that isn’t responsible for Obamacare/Romneycare.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 9:59 PM

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 11:05 PM

It will give the GOP one final opportunity to either prove themselves to America or join the demorats, and if they join with the fascists then we finally know that no one will actually represent us. At that point the states start to splinter away and things get really fun, but that’s just what it might take to wrest the nation back.

Bishop on July 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

*

Axe on July 3, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

yes sir

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Axe on July 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

To some Romney is the Death Star and must be taken out to save our souls or something like that!..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Anybody watch Hell’s Kitchen tonight?

It was a really sad display to witness.

Red Team vs the Blue Team. The Red Team were supposed to be united to achieve one final goal – to defeat the Blue Team.

Instead it turned into one hellacious circular firing squad.

Whining, b*tchin’, turning on each oth…

Wait. Never mind.

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

lol

:)

Bizarro No. 1 on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

evenin’folks…any tuesday night doc dumps from the administration?

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

None that I’ve seen, but there was this from Grassley.

Another ‘Fast and Furious’ Memo Released

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM

“He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them”

Methinks my Governor gets that one rather well, as do I.

wolly4321 on July 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

I think this is wrong. I confess that I could join you in Congress, since I also have not read this obscenity in it’s entirety. However, the Budget Reconciliation process, as I understand it, only allows you to make budgetary changes. It does not let you pass any bill you want just because it effects the budget. If it did, the Democrats would have passed their entire bill via reconciliation, rather than passing the main bill unchanged from the 60-39 approved Senate bill, and then using reconciliation to amend it.

RINO in Name Only on July 3, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I don’t believe that’s so. But even if it was, there’s no severability clause in Obamacare, so if the mandate part goes, it all goes.

There are around 21 different taxes in Obamacare, and I suppose if Republicans couldn’t repeal it all, they could go through it tax by tax and tear it up until it falls apart.

Anyway, if Republicans go to CBO and ask for the savings if the whole thing is repealed, is there any doubt that CBO would rule that a huge budget cut?

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM

If you are referring to his later life..He did do some politicing I did not like!!..But I grew up watching the TV show and I believe he was a very good person!..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:08 PM

clink*
KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

*clink*

Since my glass was near by…

:)

Electrongod on July

3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

*clink* may as well start now :)

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

*clink*

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Good to have you back. *clink!*

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM

drip..drip..drip

cmsinaz on July 3, 2012 at 11:09 PM

as to who’s promoting this thingy…Rove

workingclass artist on July 3, 2012 at 10:59 PM

You’re probably right. Also the rest of the Establishment R’s too.
Since they selected Romney, they certainly will decide who the VP is going to be.

Someone on one of the threads was asking where Rove is.

bluefox on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I’ll start off with this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PVUit1-0Ck

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM

See my comment at 11:06pm above!..:)

Dire Straits on July 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

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