Obama’s new three-front war on ObamaCare

posted at 12:01 pm on July 3, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama may have won a legal battle at the Supreme Court over ObamaCare, but he also ended up with a huge political fight on his hands just as the presidential election begins to catch the attention of voters.  Those voters are not big fans of ObamaCare, regardless of its new status as a constitutional tax.  A new Washington Post/ABC poll shows their sample evenly split on the ruling, but slightly opposed overall to ObamaCare, and independents are significantly negative about both:

Most Americans agree on one thing related to the court’s upholding the law – that they feel “strongly” about the outcome – but the consensus ends there.

Overall, the poll finds attitudes split down the middle on the court ruling, with 43 percent holding favorable impressions of the ruling, and just as many, 42 percent, holding unfavorable ones.

The partisan gap is stark: Fully two-thirds of conservative Republicans have strongly unfavorable views of the judgment, and nearly as many liberal Democrats – 61 percent – hold intensely positive ones. Among political independents, 36 percent have overall favorable impressions; 43 percent overall negative views.

Partisans are also fairly well lined up behind their parties’ presidential candidates on the issue: 80 percent of Democrats have favorable views of President Obama’s plans for health care; most, but fewer Republicans – 62 percent – have positive views of Mitt Romney’s ideas.

One potential trouble spot for both campaigns, however, is that independents tilt away from both approaches. Independents lead away from Obama’s plans: 38 percent favorable to 52 percent unfavorable. The percentage of independents with negative views of Romney’s plans outnumbers positive impressions by twenty percentage points (46 to 26 percent, with a sizable 28 percent expressing no opinion).

Bear in mind that the poll’s sample data has yet to be published.  Given what we know about their usual partisan breakdown, this is likely to be hiding some bad news for Obama.  The seven-point gap among independents should reflect better in the overall rating, especially given the mirror-image results among Republicans and Democrats, unless Democrats got oversampled yet again.  Even taking this at face value, Obama didn’t gain anything politically from the favorable court ruling.

As I argue in my column for The Week, Obama stands to lose a lot more in the political arena.  He now faces a three-front war over ObamaCare in the next few months, which is one reason why Jack Lew and other Democratic surrogates want to change the subject:

1. The return of the Tea Party

The Tea Party was born before Congress began debating the health-care overhaul in the summer of 2009, but the proposal galvanized the protests into a full-fledged movement. Until the court upheld ObamaCare, Tea Party activists had little reason to organize or donate on Romney’s behalf, as they viewed him with distrust after his own health-care reforms in Massachusetts. But now, Tea Party activists have no way of getting rid of the ACA except by defeating Obama in November. Commentator and early Tea Party supporter Kevin McCullough told me that he has heard from every Tea Party group with which he’s worked about the need to elect Romney, a big change from earlier in the year when some of these same groups threatened to sit out the 2012 elections if Romney won the GOP nomination. The Supreme Court’s decision guarantees that the Tea Party will go from lukewarm to fired up.

2. The resistance of Republican governors

In a move that didn’t garner much attention at first, Roberts’ decision did overturn one key component of the ACA. Before the court’s ruling, states that refused to comply with a Medicaid expansion that provides most of the coverage for the uninsured would have risked losing at least a significant part of their existing federal Medicaid funding. Roberts limited the penalty in the ACA to only the funds for the expansion — which means that states no longer pay a penalty for refusing to expand Medicaid.

Now that the federal government can’t threaten to reduce base Medicaid funding in retaliation for refusing to enact the expansion, a number of Republican governors have announced that their states will not participate: Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Rick Scott of Florida, Scott Walker of Wisconsin, and Rick Perry of Texas, among others. …

3. The ire of the Catholic Church

Call this one the War of Choice in the health-care battles, irony fully intended. Obama took a powerful voting bloc that gave him a nine-point edge in 2008 and its Catholic bishop leaders that support universal health care, and turned them into bitter foes just months before the election. Had the court overturned ObamaCare, the HHS contraception mandate would have disappeared too, and with it the only reason for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops to be politically engaged in this cycle.

The last is the easiest to solve, as I explain in the column, but so far the White House shows no sign of buckling on the contraception mandate.  It’s a very strange political choice, and one that will complicate matters for Obama tremendously as he tries to repair his 2008 coalition.  Now that the Roberts court has handed him a big legal victory, Obama can’t even run against the Supreme Court — but Romney can, and undoubtedly will to the extent that he wants to talk about anything else but jobs and the economy.


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Oh, and, the beatings will continue until morale improves!

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Meh. We are grown ups who can analyze, hate, rant, and fight the enemies, concurrently.

The “oh you weasels are whining” from the right are as annoying as the inanities from the left.

Sorry, my good friend, the truth is the truth.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 1:17 PM

We’ll see.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

1. Allow private health plans to be sold across state lines.
This increases competition and lowers prices. Insurance companies will come up with more and more varied products, allowing policy holders to customized their coverage.

2. Limit punitive damages in malpractice suits.
This lowers the cost of malpractice insurance and therefore the cost of care.

3. Constitutional amendment forbidding taxes or penalties for INactivity.
This prevents any more foolishness like what the Supreme Court just handed us.

4. Recall of Chief Justice John Roberts.
These people need to learn who is REALLY in charge around here, and that playing fast and loose with our founding document to protect your status on the DC cocktail party circuit is not going to fly.

CurtZHP on July 3, 2012 at 12:21 PM

…and find a way to get insurance out of the primary care market and back to hospitalization/major medical/catastrphic events where it should be. Let the market set the price for primary/preventative care like it did before the advent of the HMO. Lord knows I don’t need an MRI, CT Scan, EKG, EEG, ECG, X-Ray or whatever to get a prescription for some antibiotics if I catch Strep Throat or something, and then pay a $20 co-pay while my insurance is billed $3,000

right of the dial on July 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Sorry, my good friend, the truth is the truth.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Perception/ Reality.

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Roberts should be impeached.

but Hells Bells we can’t even keep the pathetic gop “leadership” from going all wobbly on repealing ObamaDEATHTOAMERICACare.

PappyD61 on July 3, 2012 at 1:21 PM

WaPo/ABC poll shows little gain for Obama from SCOTUS decision.

But just wait until people start to understand Obamacare. Any year now the public opinion polling will turn around. You’ll see. /libtard mode

farsighted on July 3, 2012 at 1:21 PM

I now have a new Facebook status. I thank you, sir.

CurtZHP on July 3, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Ha! Cool. Spread the word far and wide!

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Does anyone here think Obamacare should be replaced with anything once repealed? Wouldn’t it just be best to replace it with nothing?

nazo311 on July 3, 2012 at 12:07 PM

If nothing means get the freaking government’s hands out of it, yes. But I guess that will only happen if people who don’t want to play “government god” are elected.

yhxqqsn on July 3, 2012 at 1:23 PM

PatriotGal2257 on July 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Loss of your doctor

Excruciatingly high costs to you

The father of Oaf’care’ and now ObamaTax is retreating.

It’s a regressive tax. Obama hates the middle class and the poor, in addition to having lied to them.

75% of all of it will be paid by those making 120,000/yr and less.

and on and on…

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Perception/ Reality.

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Perception is NOT reality. Reality is reality. This is one of my most favorite topics. People are fooled by another meme.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Roberts limited the penalty in the ACA to only the funds for the expansion — which means that states no longer pay a penalty for refusing to expand Medicaid.

Could this ruling mean states could refuse to toe the line on the drinking age without losing highway funding?

agmartin on July 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM

the notion of reimporting drugs is a canard. Prices are high here due to several factors; liability, we can “afford” it etc. Pharmacy cuts special rates to other countries to increase volume of sales which in turn lowers our prices in the long run. No different than Microsoft charging us more for windows 7 than Russia at pennies on the dollar. This strategy increases else’s volume and minimizes bootleg buggy copies. Do you really want to reimport drugs and raise the risk of counterfeit drugs? We already have a wave of counterfeit drugs entering our market and allowing reimportation would flood the market. It is what it is and there are other measures, namely tort reform to bend the costs of drugs down.

AH_C on July 3, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Agreed. Drug reimportation is bad policy. It’s stabbing drug companies in the back because we don’t like the high prices they charge because of government interference and bureaucracy.

We need to help drug companies get better prices when they export drugs out of the USA, protect patents, reduce FDA bureaucratic costs and the cost of drug approvals, and do tort reform, all to help lower the cost of our drugs.

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 1:25 PM

…and find a way to get insurance out of the primary care market and back to hospitalization/major medical/catastrphic events where it should be. Let the market set the price for primary/preventative care like it did before the advent of the HMO. Lord knows I don’t need an MRI, CT Scan, EKG, EEG, ECG, X-Ray or whatever to get a prescription for some antibiotics if I catch Strep Throat or something, and then pay a $20 co-pay while my insurance is billed $3,000

right of the dial on July 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Allowing more competition in the insurance market will pretty much take care of this. Instead of having to buy a “one-size-fits-all” comprehensive plan, you could buy a plan that just covers hospitalization. If you want to pay cash for a simple well-visit, fine. As this and other reforms bring down the cost of care, office visits will become less expensive.

Even now, in some cases, a provider will significantly lower the bill if you tell them up front you’re paying out of pocket, just because you’re saving them a pile of paperwork and time by doing so.

CurtZHP on July 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Perception is NOT reality. Reality is reality. This is one of my most favorite topics. People are fooled by another meme.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Exactly.

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

One more thing. In the military the generals worry the most about the Soldiers when they are very quiet.

Think about kids. When they are loud they are doing ok. Worry about people who retreat not about those who fight.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Perception is NOT reality. Reality is reality. This is one of my most favorite topics. People are fooled by another meme.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM

You are both right in a way.

Reality is just reality, but perception is reality to those doing the perceiving.

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Worry about people who retreat not about those who fight.

Or thosw who ‘mope’.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Chuck Schick on July 3, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Exactly what I alluded to yesterday on one of the memes. You can bet that 16-30% pay raises over that period aren’t coming so the purchase of insurance even with subsidies will drive far more people into bankruptcy than has occurred by not having insurance.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

but perception is reality to those doing the perceiving.

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM

It’s only their reality and you can only do whatever you do. To each their own. Grown ups, from the right, telling others what to do is inane, and not Conservative. It’s also very annoying and incomprehensible. The right can and should use their God-given brains to multi-thread. To be simpletons is for the leftist gnats and moochers.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

You are both right in a way.

Reality is just reality, but perception is reality to those doing the perceiving.

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Exactly.

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

If the young wake up to their royal scrooming, Obama is cooked.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Exactly.

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Nothing is “exact”, nearly nothing.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM

The Feds will pay 100% of the medicaid expansion through at least 2016, and more than 90% thereafter.

The people who would be insured under this are already getting medical care, the tab is just picked up by hospitals. You better believe that the hospitals will put a ton of pressure on the State governors to accept the expansion money.

red_herring on July 3, 2012 at 12:14 PM

And you believe this shit about the Federal government paying 90% of Medicaid expansion after 2016? Where the hell the feds are going to come out with all this money? States are not stupid, they know that they would be paying at least 50% of Medicaid expansion in two or three years from now if they opt in. That is why many states are not going to opt in. h

mnjg on July 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM

PatriotGal2257 on July 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Rationing care starts with the Medicade expansion. Where I live its like Canada. People on medicade are on waiting lists to get a doctor. When one patient on medicade leaves the doctors practice then the person on the top of the list gets picked up. Everybody else on the list is SOL. Many doctors refuse to take medicade patients unless they are cash paying. Those who opt to pay cash can file the forms to be reimbursed but usually only get pennies on the dollar for what they pay.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Anyone listening to Rush today?

He ripped apart the ridiculous argument that there’s any silver lining from roberts stabbing us all in the back saying that the bottom line is that obamacare is a disaster. That it should’ve been struck down but now we have the fight of our lives to repeal it.

And that even if we do manage to repeal it that great damage was done by roberts to the Constitution by granting fedzilla the power to tax us for inactivity….

Is eating that Big Mac driving up health care costs? sorry, No big mac for you!

Is driving that SUV harming the environment? Sorry, no SUV for you or you’re going pay through the nose for it!

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Considering the poll out yesterday for 18-29 year old’s there is a major segment (24-29) that are still pulling an Icabod. But you are correct if they figure out what has really happened to them, royally screwed, they should be literally up in arms.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Just for you, Bmore :)

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Considering the poll out yesterday for 18-29 year old’s there is a major segment (24-29) that are still pulling an Icabod. But you are correct if they figure out what has really happened to them, royally screwed, they should be literally up in arms.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Another loaded cannon, but will the Mitt camp fire?

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Nothing is “exact”, nearly nothing.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Exactly!

lol

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 1:39 PM

lol

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 1:39 PM

‘xactly :)

I’d forgotten the smiley for Bmore. He’s easy to needle.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Over thinking it and dwelling in the negative won’t help. I’m sorry if my attitude seems insensitive as one commenter described it. But all this negativity here the last 4 days ain’t gonna help, and it sure as heII won’t change anything. Anyway I won’t be party to it. I just wanted to say hi to 7% and welcome him back. ; )

Bmore on July 3, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Completely agree with you on that, all this bitterness on the HA for the past few days is so depressing and down right demoralizing, and they keep reinforcing it with more negative comments, it’s a vicious circle, really…I just go read the main posts and not bother much with the comment section anymore, or if I can help it, just scroll past the awfully negative and unpalatale ones…

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Unpalatable that is…

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Precisely what the left want of you.

Get over yourself and multi-track, or go gulching. The latter is very much the saner option anyway.

McConnell and Romney will keep the RINO fires barely flickering but the establishment is happy.

Don’t be depressed jimver, be apathetic. It’s easier on your health, health having more meanings.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM

yhxqqsn on July 3, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Too late for that the horse has already left the barn. While we can “reasonably” expect to vote in some more small government types. Way to many will win re-election who like to play GOD.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Understood. I and my family fall into that group. I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop where I work, when the HR department informs all of us that they will elect to pay the fines rather than continue to provide insurance for us.

We just re-upped our health insurance at the beginning of June and one of the reps was very adamant that it should be repealed. I’m sure she’s as intensely disappointed as the rest of us.

We have had a cute (sarc!) little tug-of-war going on anyway for the past couple years here in western PA between Highmark/Blue Cross Blue Shield and UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center). UPMC has pretty much overtaken virtually every independent hospital or clinic with their own form of health insurance, while Highmark has had to align itself with two or three unaffiliated hospitals to stave off being overcome. I’m certainly not the only one who is completely confused with this as it goes back and forth with the state legislature, so this ObamaTax decision just puts us in more of a holding pattern than before.

I’m not optimistic in any case, but it doesn’t help that Gov. Corbett is being his RINOish self and is insisting that “oh, well … it’s the law of the land, so we’ll do our best to comply,” and that some Dem state senators are just champing at the bit to start forming exchanges.

PatriotGal2257 on July 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM

I’m not saying Romney’s not a RINO, but what’s your answer?

Don’t support him and let Maobama get reelected??

The fact is we need to keep the House, take the Senate, and elect Romney to have any shot at repealing this monstrosity!!

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Exactly what I alluded to yesterday on one of the memes. You can bet that 16-30% pay raises over that period aren’t coming so the purchase of insurance even with subsidies will drive far more people into bankruptcy than has occurred by not having insurance.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Pay raises and new hiring. Why cross the 50-employee limit into ObamaTax land when you can just hire contractors, temps and outsource?

Chuck Schick on July 3, 2012 at 1:48 PM

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I’m pretty much an optimist but this ruling came down on Thursday, and then we have been given news about why a justice, thought to be an originalist, is in fact a fifteen year old high school girl who wants to be popular. Add to it, a minority leader who is willing but not hopeful and a nominee who’s staff seems to be confused and all I can say is so sorry we aren’t cheerful enough. Obamacare is a BFD!

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Another loaded cannon, but will the Mitt camp fire?

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Another one of those big ifs. If they pull the pin it would be great.
I don’t have high hopes that they get it but we will all need to row together in November to have a prayer of eliminating OTaxaCare.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:50 PM

When morale is down, I like to turn to quotes from Winston Churchill, Ronald Reagan, Maggie Thatcher, Gen. Patton and sometimes Sun Tzu, plus a few Bravehearts and even a Conan the Barbarian.

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Conan, what is good in life?

What is good in life is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

Yes, that is good!

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Chuck Schick on July 3, 2012 at 1:48 PM

My son works for a company of less than 50. They certainly won’t expand. They don’t provide insurance and he belongs to one of those cooperatives. It has worked well for him and the family but they are banned in OTaxaCare. He is one of those I am worried about eventually being forced into bankruptcy over this law.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Anyone listening to Rush today?

He ripped apart the ridiculous argument that there’s any silver lining from roberts stabbing us all in the back saying that the bottom line is that obamacare is a disaster.

That commentary is aimed squarely at all the insulated pundits, including many linked to here on Hot Air (including one specific weekend blogger), who are praising Roberts for playing the “long game.”
It’s not a G-damn game, and these people still look at it as politics as sport–who “won,” who “lost,” was it a “good week” or a “bad week” for Obama.
Every week this sociopath is president is a horrendous week for our republic.

Right Mover on July 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM

PatriotGal2257 on July 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM

The true aim of Obama, Michael Moore, Pelosi/Reid and etc. is not ObamaTax, it’s to bankrupt the ins. companies and create as many uninsured so all leads to a national system, simialar to the European and Canadian idiocies.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 2:00 PM

I’m not saying Romney’s not a RINO, but what’s your answer?

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM

“Mitt and co, get a pair”, that’s my answer. You have a thug and a Chicago machine fighting a ‘battalion’ in gloves, with a polite guy, meh.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 2:01 PM

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 1:54 PM

My daughters employer has a great healthcare savings account, I heard those are probably goners also. They are part of the the fill in the blanks to be determined later.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM

What is good in life is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

Yes, that is good!

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Indeed, and Sun Tzu is always good and I like Genghis Khan, but hate his sons.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Killing Obamacare Before It Kills Us – Part 1:

The Political Battlefield
on July 2, 2012 – 4:44 pm EST
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/07/killing-obamacare-before-it-kills-us-part-1-the-political-battlefield/
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The Requirement To Buy Coverage Under the Affordable Care Act
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canopfor on July 3, 2012 at 2:04 PM

That commentary is aimed squarely at all the insulated pundits, including many linked to here on Hot Air (including one specific weekend blogger), who are praising Roberts for playing the “long game.”
It’s not a G-damn game, and these people still look at it as politics as sport–who “won,” who “lost,” was it a “good week” or a “bad week” for Obama.
Every week this sociopath is president is a horrendous week for our republic.

Right Mover on July 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Which weekend blogger was it?

Personally I was disappointed last week in Allah for continuing to post those ridiculous links. I can see doing it once, but constantly? It was a bad day for Americans and the last thing we need is a bunch of BS telling us what a good thing it was.

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Right Mover on July 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Even if you accept a long game view his gambit (ruling) insures that our opponent will soon be able to exchange a pawn for a second queen (taxing non activity) and then the game is over. Opponents to check and mate in a few more moves. Give Congress a tool they can use to rule over us and they will use it.

Now the question is how do we blow the board up and destroy the gambit?

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 2:05 PM

“Mitt and co, get a pair”, that’s my answer. You have a thug and a Chicago machine fighting a ‘battalion’ in gloves, with a polite guy, meh.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 2:01 PM

I agree. Consevatives like me will do everything we can to drag Mitt’s sorry a$$ across the finish line.

Will you join us??

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Yep, that’s exactly it. There are many here who are deeply suspicious and have been for years with UPMC. A friend of mine who is a medical equipment salesman once remarked that UPMC has very deep pockets and I am sure they have something up their sleeves to benefit from this law.

PatriotGal2257 on July 3, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Indeed, and Sun Tzu is always good and I like Genghis Khan, but hate his sons.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM

A man does what he must – in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures – and that is the basis of all human morality.

Winston Churchill

E-mail this to the Chief Justice a few million times.

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM

If I recall correctly the amount you can put into a HSA will be halved. Then I fully expect that HHS will eventually eliminate that option all together. You mustn’t have the proles with their own money.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 2:11 PM

red_herring on July 3, 2012 at 12:14 PM

And you believe this shit about the Federal government paying 90% of Medicaid expansion after 2016? Where the hell the feds are going to come out with all this money? States are not stupid, they know that they would be paying at least 50% of Medicaid expansion in two or three years from now if they opt in. That is why many states are not going to opt in. h

mnjg on July 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Note that the proggie solution either gives millions of illegal aliens Medicaid, or illegal aliens will continue to get free healthcare from hospitals. Nothing is as cheap as free.

The only way to keep illegal aliens from getting free healthcare in hospitals is to turn them away.

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 2:14 PM

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Precisely what the left want of you.

Get over yourself and multi-track, or go gulching. The latter is very much the saner option anyway.

McConnell and Romney will keep the RINO fires barely flickering but the establishment is happy.

Don’t be depressed jimver, be apathetic. It’s easier on your health, health having more meanings.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Depressed, moi, why, I am not :), I just think that dwelling so much on the negative is not healthy for anyone (saw that you brought the health matter in :), and not conducive to action either, to most it has a paralysing effect, reason why I said I normally stay away from this sort of attitude, people, comments, etc….Personally I am an insouciant (is that even a word in English :), happy go lucky kind of person, and gulching in the ‘Atlas Shrugged’ sense is not for me, I’d rather be in the world, than retreat, the wrold remains a fundamentally interesting place and will always see it that way :)…nor am I apathetic bu nature :)…my point being, I do what I can for our cause, if we don’t succeed so be it, but I find no use for negativity in the process, either before or after…so, I will not allow it to crawl insidiously and attack my foundations :)… But then this is just my protection mechanism if you want to call it that…

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 2:14 PM

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

Winston Churchill

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 2:14 PM

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 2:06 PM

That’s only step one. Which I will engage in.
Step two is somehow making sure those without spines do what needs to be done and repeal the bill.
Step three is some constitutional amendments to neuter Roberts decision and return us to Federalism.

I’m reasonably confident that we can accomplish step one. It is the other two steps that is giving me heartburn.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 2:15 PM

The hospitals will pressure the politicians with campaign contributions to keep obamatax for several reasons. Medicaid reimbursement and the provision in the law which limits physician owned hospitals. The hospitals hate them because they are in direct competition, so the big hospitals made sure limits on them were placed in the bill before they would support its passage. Nothing wrong with them lobbying politicians as long as the public is aware.

txmomof6 on July 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM

That’s only step one. Which I will engage in.
Step two is somehow making sure those without spines do what needs to be done and repeal the bill.
Step three is some constitutional amendments to neuter Roberts decision and return us to Federalism.

I’m reasonably confident that we can accomplish step one. It is the other two steps that is giving me heartburn.

chemman on July 3, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I hear ya and sadly I agree.

LevinFan on July 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM

If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law.

Winston Churchill

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 2:18 PM

If you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time – a tremendous whack.

Winston Churchill

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Which weekend blogger was it?

Jazz

Right Mover on July 3, 2012 at 2:20 PM

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

Winston Churchill

Brian1972 on July 3, 2012 at 2:21 PM

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I’m pretty much an optimist but this ruling came down on Thursday, and then we have been given news about why a justice, thought to be an originalist, is in fact a fifteen year old high school girl who wants to be popular. Add to it, a minority leader who is willing but not hopeful and a nominee who’s staff seems to be confused and all I can say is so sorry we aren’t cheerful enough. Obamacare is a BFD!

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Well, the confusion of Romney’s staff on this all is legit if you think it comes only 4 days after the most confusing ruling probably in the history of SCOTUS, and by that I do not mean controversial, I mean just confusing…so, no wonder Romney’s campaign is still figuring what to do with it and and how to package it all for ad and messaging purposes…as for the latter part of your comment, cheerfulness was not what I was aiming for :), if one doesn’t have it in oneself, they can’t fake it, nor they should be expected to :)…the way I see it, between negativity and cheerfulness (assuming they are polar opposites, which am not quite sure fhey are) there is quite a large set of possibilities on the mood/mode/state of mind/heart spectrum, one can be realistic, level headed and engaged, without being mindlessly cheerful or downright depressing and negative…

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 2:37 PM

I’m starting to get that Ed Morrisey vibe that pervaded HA leading up to the bill’s passage. All these articles about how furious people were at the town hall meetings across the country, how the Dems were having to buy votes, how the Dems had cooked the books to get the CBO score under $1T, how there were all these procedural obstacles, how Bart Stupak wasn’t gonna vote for it, how Scott Brown’s election meant it wasn’t gonna pass, and yadda, yadda, yadda.

And then the GD passed.

Purple Fury on July 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM

GD *bill* passed.

Purple Fury on July 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM

OT but another place Obama has stepped in it big time…coal miners, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Montana….All big coal states they know he hates their industry and wants to kill it. They don’t have to worry about having their jobs exported just about Obama making them unemployed. I mined coal for twelve years you don’t want these guys against you. Every last one of them will vote.

bluesdoc70 on July 3, 2012 at 3:24 PM

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 2:37 PM

I just think we should let people feel like they feel and let it motivate them accordingly. I’m not annoyed with the folks that are happily moving on, that’s a pragmatic outlook but I’m also have no problem with people who feel like the have been blindsided, from start to finish with this legislation. As for the Romney campaign, it would be helpful if the missteps weren’t done by the same person, a Mr. Etch-A-Scetch, I believe is his name. A smart campaign might think this gentleman could take a position with a lower profile. Unless his is the correct message.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Purple Fury on July 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Yep, from start to finish this has been a crap sandwich. Cheer up everybody!

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Everybody forgets to mention the co-pays.

Obamacare only “pays” for the premiums.

Obamacare used a “Bronze” (which they promptly re-named to “Silver”) policy for their calculations of the cost to the Government.

That level of policy only covers 70% of medical expenses, and carries a high deductible – if a person can’t afford to pay the co-pay/deductible, they are still stuck with a huge medical bill.

Yeah, Obama “won”, all right….

TeresainFortWorth on July 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM

TeresainFortWorth on July 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM

He won only in the fact that there will be more people dependent on the government. Your information would suggest that the number of bankruptcies from medical bills is unlikely to change. Interesting since that was a selling point.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Well if Indies dislike O-Care, wait until they get a load of disappointing jobs and economy numbers coming soon. Double-dip recession is looking more likely.

We’ll need that Medicaid when the economy sinks even further. Not like any doctor will take it, though.

No wonder he was begging and pleading for money on Air Force One the other day. Keep sending those annoying e-mails, Barry.

Zero will always have bin Laden.

Philly on July 3, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I just think we should let people feel like they feel and let it motivate them accordingly. I’m not annoyed with the folks that are happily moving on, that’s a pragmatic outlook but I’m also have no problem with people who feel like the have been blindsided, from start to finish with this legislation. As for the Romney campaign, it would be helpful if the missteps weren’t done by the same person, a Mr. Etch-A-Scetch, I believe is his name. A smart campaign might think this gentleman could take a position with a lower profile. Unless his is the correct message.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 4:11

I believe that is correct, Fehrnstrom has no business going out there and trotting out his personal opinions on the matter (who cares what he thinks) if they do no represent the campaign official position…if the campaign is still working on the messaging (attack obama on raising taxes on middle class, or attack obamacare as bad law in general), then fine, but put a leash/muzzle on the Fehrnstrom dude…personally I think that pointing that obama is raising taxes on the middle class is an easier line of attack, especially with the low information voters, even they are not that dumb not to get what that would mean for their finances exactly…easier than explaining why obamacare is an abominably bad low, especially when most of its effects won’t be experienced directly by citizens until at least 2014, of not 2016…. If it ain’t happening now, it does not exist for the airhead voters..

jimver on July 3, 2012 at 7:27 PM

1. The return of the Tea Party

Nothing there about Romney getting donations from TEA Party activists. HMM! I wonder what they are waiting for…

2. The resistance of Republican governors

Many of who owe their win to their local TEA Party.

3. The ire of the Catholic Church

Many democrats in the church who subscribe to abortion. No support for Romney there.

This election has yet to begin, but 0bama lost so much support that he is sweating just like Romney today, and for the same reasons. Neither have managed to energize their base because neither offer a true American vision for the future.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Also, all here, Ed too, please, please, please, quit calleing it Obamacare. It has nothing to do with care of any kind.

Call it ObamaTax, or come up with a more cleve name. The right needs to be united in mocking Obama and his fiasco out of town.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM

which is why I’ve always added the word “don’t” between Obama & care.

8 weight on July 4, 2012 at 2:17 PM

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