DNC Chair: It’s easiest for the IRS to administer the health care mandate, but it’s not a tax

posted at 4:01 pm on July 3, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Just remember, guys: The Internal Revenue Service might be the best-equipped entity to administer the “penalty,” and the “penalty” might be assessed on your tax return, but the requirement to pay a “penalty” if you don’t buy health insurance is most definitively not a tax.

Speaking on CNN’s “The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer,” Wasserman Schultz said Monday, that the law should be enforced by the federal government’s taxing arm because “it’s simply a matter of ease in administration.”

“The way we usually think of taxation, Wolf, is that taxation as the IRS administers is collected on broad swaths and large categories of individuals,” Wasserman Schultz said. “This is a penalty that will be assessed on the tax return if you choose to roll the dice and make us all pay for your being irresponsible and increase all of our health care costs.

“We’re not going to tolerate that any more in America. You have to be responsible and you have to pay a penalty if you choose not to be,” she continued.

Okay, whatever, Democrats — call it what you want. It looks like a tax, it smells like a tax, but fine, it’s just the feds penalizing you for exercising your personal freedom to not buy health insurance. But the fact remains that this “penalty” is going to funnel more of Americans’ money out of the productive private economy and into the government, and it’s going to be a huge imposition to the middle class.

In related news, Florida Gov. Rick Scott has led the charge of Republican states — so far including Iowa, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas and Wisconsin — in declining to start battening down the hatches for the optional portions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. (Heh. “Affordable.” Sorry, I still can’t say that with a straight face.) While I applauded Gov. Scott’s leadership on refusing to accept that ObamaCare is going to become a historical fact and pledging to continue to work toward its repeal, Rep. Wasserman Schultz didn’t happen to see it that way.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., the chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), described her state governor as “a spoiled brat” for trying to fight Obamacare even though the Supreme Court ruled the law constitutional.

“I think he’s acting like a spoiled brat,” Wasserman Schultz said of Gov. Rick Scott, R-Fla., per WOKV. “He insisted that the law was unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court has ruled. The matter should be settled.”

Yes, I do think that perhaps someone is showing just a touch of petulance here — but it isn’t Gov. Scott.


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Isn’t it so sweet how Democrats try to push the meme that you can only pay for health care via insurance? Why, its as if they don’t think that you can pay for it on your own, or go utilize charitable institutions, or work out other arrangements with health care providers… isn’t centralization so fun?

And now the IRS will run it!

Next up: having the NEA run transportation projects, because roadways will be ever so much more graceful than letting highway professionals handle such things…

ajacksonian on July 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I’m kind of enjoying them twisting themselves into knots over the use of the word tax. There is so much bad about this bill but this is the hill everyone is afraid to die on. So very odd.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM

If they keep poking the SCOTUS in the eye over the “penalty v tax” thing, the next ObamaCare case, and there will be another, they could just reverse course and say .. “we were wrong, it was a penalty, it’s unconstitutional” (i.e. go frack yourself already).

J_Crater on July 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Such impertinence and charlatanry must and will be punished.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Unless it comes to paying a mortgage you couldn’t afford in the first place or student loans on a degree you can’t get a job with…

Or having children out of wedlock, or living in subsidized housing while dealing and using drugs, or jumping the border and then demanding others pay for your kids to go to college…

Liberals have a weird understanding of responsibility.

RobertE on July 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM

I’m kind of enjoying them twisting themselves into knots over the use of the word tax. There is so much bad about this bill but this is the hill everyone is afraid to die on. So very odd.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Them and the Mitt camp, unfortunately. If it were not so tragic it w/b downright schadenfreudig.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

That is ALMOST as bad as AP putting the evil face of bho up on a thread at supper time? Maybe there could be a poll, this harpy or bho evil face?
L
letget on July 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM

TFBGP says he thinks she’s kind of cute. Doesn’t that kind of say it all, about both of them?

Yoop on July 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

TeresainFortWorth on July 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

A capitation/poll tax has to be proportional, meaning everyone pays it.

Rocks on July 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

How can any real man ever be alone with this witch?

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

…I have a friend who sky dives, scubas, rock climbs, and does other riskier sports than I would attempt and he’s deaf, dumb and legally blind!…but then he does more with his sense of touch than any person I know. If he was alone with…ok…your right!

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

How you can show her a big finger. Millions will.

Only fools will pay.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

*Sigh* I know. Where are all the Mittwitts to tell me how brilliant his strategy is?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Do we R E A L L Y have to SEE a photo or video of this ignoramus / buttah-HEAD to discuss the tripe spewing from it’s pie hole?

jus sayin………………..

Katfish on July 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

So if it is not a tax then she is admitting it is unconstitutional.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

*Sigh* I know. Where are all the Mittwitts to tell me how brilliant his strategy is?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Can’t defend the indefensible.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Debbie wasserman-schultz and Mitt Romney seem to be on the same page with their insistance that its not a tax.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 4:09 PM

And just like RomneyCare this BS is based upon the “fee” will be deducted from your income tax return.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Well, don’t know if this is new or not? But
seems trouble follows Debbie wherever she goes.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mass-concentration-prison-camps-read-the-shocking-emails-from-a-florida-dnc-member/

ToddPA on July 3, 2012 at 4:57 PM

So if it is not a tax then she is admitting it is unconstitutional.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

One must call things by their name if one aims to defeat them.

It is an extra-Constitutional tax. Period. Bast. Story. End of.

p.s. I borrowed the very last part from the brillian Resist We Much.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Should have said “I borrowed the Story. End Of.” from RWM.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Bast = Basta.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Every day she looks more and more like a streetwalker.

Skanky hair and Mrs. PotatoHead lips, and the crazy crap that she says….like she’s on crack or something.

BobMbx on July 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

here’s a nice story to remember exactly how corrupt Phrama was during this process….big Dem at PFE

One guy, big dem, very ambitious, ceo of PFE…hoping to get a barry.slot

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/304639/pfizer-s-political-ceo-betsy-woodruff?pg=1

corporate/state-run socialism…sweet

r keller on July 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Where did she get the number of 129 million with pre-existing conditions?

News2Use on July 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

How can any real man ever be alone with this witch?

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

But, Schad, you have to admire a woman, who can grow pubic hair on her head!

Out: ChiaPet

In: PubiPet (and, DWS is going to be the spokeswoman)

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

The right should put together a series of videos with Obama, the congresscritters, the Solicitor General calling it a “non-tax” and play it 24 until Nov. 6.

Resist We Much, do you want to go on a beat, pro bono, to enlighten the masses, or are you not altruistic enough and apathetic, as I am? I want to but think that they don’t deserve it, in their idiocy of volens giving up such freedoms.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Every day she looks more and more like a streetwalker.

Skanky hair and Mrs. PotatoHead lips, and the crazy crap that she says….like she’s on crack or something.

BobMbx on July 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Crack!!?? Please! The woman is on BATH SALTS!!

ToddPA on July 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Where did she get the number of 129 million with pre-existing conditions?

News2Use on July 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Do you really want to know?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

The law requires the hiring of 16,000 new IRS Agents…

… and not a single Doctor.

It was found to be Constitutional because Congress has the power to TAX…

… The more the Dems try to spin it, the more they step in it and provide Team Romney, the GOP, and the Super PACs ammo for the campaign.

Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

And just like RomneyCare this BS is based upon the “fee” will be deducted from your income tax return.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Nice that voters have a choice…”bold colors, not pale pastels” comes to mind.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Should have said “I borrowed the Story. End Of.” from RWM.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:58 PM

If you want to get technical, that’s “Period. Story. End of.”

:-)

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Where did she get the number of 129 million with pre-existing conditions?

News2Use on July 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

She got it from the liberal ether. That is where all liberals get their numbers and facts.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

… The more the Dems try to spin it, the more they step in it and provide Team Romney, the GOP, and the Super PACs ammo for the campaign.

Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Welcome back…you were missed. Note that the Mitt team are also calling it a “penalty” and have kicked the Roberts platinum platter gift to the wind. They are political fools.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Debbie Doublespeak never fails to disappoint: She’s consistenly dishonest and moronic.

Philly on July 3, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Same as anyone who must continue to support the liars in the DemcRat party.

Just look at how they twist and squirm over Pro-Abortion, ahem, choice.

kirkill on July 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Why don’t the republicans pass a charity tax. Everytime you think of giving money but don’t, you owe a penny in tax.

THEN, sue the govt saying it doesn’t have the right to tax non-action, even if the action is desired.

WashingtonsWake on July 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

If you want to get technical, that’s “Period. Story. End of.”

:-)

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Indeed, and thank you.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

“We’re not going to tolerate that any more in America. You have to be responsible and you have to pay a penalty if you choose not to be,” she continued.

Oh man, I can’t believe a lefty prog like her can say “you have to be responsible” with a straight face considering Debbie and her lefty ilk are so eager to transform our nation into a bunch of irresponsible citizens dependent on the gubment for everything…just three words for this…surreal, hypocritical, laughable!

The swear I’ve been transported to an alternate universe…help Mr. Wizard…please take me back to my previous universe where sanity still prevails!

Liberty or Death on July 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Not videos, but:

It’s A Penalty! It’s A Tax! No, It’s Obamaman, The Middle Class Tax Hiker!

M2RB: Five For Fighting

I need to add the videos. There’s only an audio from the Court.

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Resist We Much, do you want to go on a beat, pro bono, to enlighten the masses, or are you not altruistic enough and apathetic, as I am? I want to but think that they don’t deserve it, in their idiocy of volens giving up such freedoms.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Ever since the new Webster’s definition of mandate (see: TAX) was provided so ably by the Chief Justice who has single handedly changed history and dismissed the Constitution in one fell swoop I was wondering if there is something in the bill a state AG can latch on to to force SCOTUS to review the case once again.

Any ideas?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:06 PM

She is right. The TAX is buying health insurance. The penalty for not paying your tax (buying health insurance) is to pay the government $2000.

jukin3 on July 3, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Debbie Doublespeak never fails to disappoint: She’s consistenly dishonest and moronic.

Philly on July 3, 2012 at 4:41 PM

“We actually have not required in this law that you carry health insurance.”

- Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Liar, liar, knickers on fire!

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Nice that voters have a choice…”bold colors, not pale pastels” comes to mind.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

You know who’s having the best of fun since last Thursday? Russia. They defeated the USA without one bullet fired. As they said they will back in 1980s…

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Oh man, I can’t believe a lefty prog like her can say “you have to be responsible” with a straight face considering Debbie and her lefty ilk are so eager to transform our nation into a bunch of irresponsible citizens dependent on the gubment for everything

Can’t believe after years of lefty marxist lying? They have been well programmed to say, in the deepest sincerity, anything and everything at all to advance their agenda. The truth must be sacrificed for the good of all, as their are still too many unbelievers dangerously resistant to assimilation, in order that we may all prosper and benefit from the coming leftist utopia.

hawkeye54 on July 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

“I think he’s acting like a spoiled brat,” Wasserman Schultz said of Gov. Rick Scott, R-Fla., per WOKV. “He insisted that the law was unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court has ruled. The matter should be settled.”

The Supreme Court ruled that it was a TAX, too. We should not allow spoiled brat Democrats to both keep the law they rammed down our throats thanks to a fearful SCOTUS decision to pander to liberals, AND reject the wording SCOTUS used in doing it.

Laura Curtis on July 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Oh man, I can’t believe a lefty prog like her can say “you have to be responsible” with a straight face

Read it slower….and concentrate on the word “you”.

She doesn’t say anything that would include herself as the person who needs to be responsible.

Just you.

BobMbx on July 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

She’s right. It’s not a tax. And if you folks don’t want to live in chains and slavery, you’d better agree with that. Congress already has the power to tax you. If all it has to do is impose a monetary fine and have the IRS administer it, Congress can do absolutely anything to you and call it a “tax.”

You’re shooting yourself in the head to call the mandate a “tax.”

J.E. Dyer on July 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Any ideas?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Short answer is “no”. This is forever a travesty to the once good land.

By judicial fiat, the Roberts Court has created and conferred an extra-Constitutional unlimited taxation power upon the Congress.

This new power is exactly like the taxing power of old; the power of applying a mandatory, non-apportioned direct tax upon all citizens, based upon an indirect-tax construct, that enriches a set of private, government-sanctioned monopolies as well as the government itself, and sets up a bureaucracy that can freely grant exceptions and immunities to politically connected favorites.

The lawless injustice of the Roberts decision and its future destructive consequences are immeasurable.

It is now, as it was before the Boston TEA event, the Revolution. Therein lies your answer…it can be undone, but not by the AGs.

I look forward to RWM’s counterarguments, but I think there are none.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:12 PM

You know who’s having the best of fun since last Thursday? Russia. They defeated the USA without one bullet fired. As they said they will back in 1980s…

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM

The sad part is that it is an open question as to which nation is more socialist at this point. They are trending towards an open market society and the US is trending towards socialism. Life can be very strange.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM

What about the beat to enlighten…?

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:13 PM

You know who’s having the best of fun since last Thursday? Russia. They defeated the USA without one bullet fired. As they said they will back in 1980s…

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM

They gave the US enough rope…only the US people are to blame.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Welcome back…you were missed. Note that the Mitt team are also calling it a “penalty” and have kicked the Roberts platinum platter gift to the wind. They are political fools.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

.
Question needing an answer. Can a waiver be issued for a tax?
Allowing that Romney has stated an intention of granting waivers for each of the 50 states on ‘day one’, would that waiver be available if the mandate is a tax and not a mandate?

News2Use on July 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

The law requires the hiring of 16,000 new IRS Agents…

Meh, as crucial as this law is and the ensuing projected stream of revenue, I’d guess, that judging by typical government initial estimates, it’ll require 160,000 new IRS agents when all is said and done.

hawkeye54 on July 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM

By judicial fiat, the Roberts Court has created and conferred an extra-Constitutional unlimited taxation power upon the Congress.

What comes around, goes around.

Can’t wait for the:

Abortion Tax
Dropped out of School Tax
Been Sucking Off Welfare My Whole Life Tax
I snuck into the US Tax
Any tax that bankrupts MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN
Every time you say “Dude” or “Bro” Tax

etc…

BobMbx on July 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM

News2Use on July 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Glad to be wrong, but I think the only way he can get rid of it is if the House remains as is, the Senate goes R and he wins. This is a huge hurdle.

Plus, what Roberts has done can undo what Mitt would do, if even all the stars would line up, in the reverse scenario. In other words Roberts has Fluked the land, royally.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

“We actually have not required in this law that you carry health insurance.”

- Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Liar, liar, knickers on fire!

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

And technically, she is correct. They haven’t “required” it, because SCOTUS said that was unconstitutional. They merely coerce you into doing it, which SCOTUS says is apparently okey-dokey with the Constitution (which seems particularly odd when you consider that they ruled in the same case that the Feds could not coerce the states).

When you boil it down, SCOTUS basically said… The government can’t coerce you at the end of a gun, but they can coerce you at the end of a tax.

gravityman on July 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Obama’s lawyers argued before the Supreme Court that Obamacare was a tax. And, now DWS argues that it ain’t no tax. I want to take this case before Andy Taylor in the Mayberry Supreme Court. I am sure Andy Taylor would throw her in jail and lock her up right next to Otis.

SC.Charlie on July 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Lordship Romni has said this is not a tax. What gives?

Uppereastside on July 3, 2012 at 5:24 PM

“Tax”, “Penalty”, or “Mandate” – Tyranny by any name reeks as much. Insanity is truly upon us when Gubmint Gangsters muscle the productive citizenry in order to pander to those who want cradle to grave Government control of their lives. Sometimes I think working stiffs should throw in the towel, quit work join the welfare rolls and see how long it takes for the freeloaders and their Pols to figure out where the Government cheese comes from exactly.

ghostwalker1 on July 3, 2012 at 5:24 PM

This is a penalty…

Well then Debbie dear, like we all knew anyway, your boss is a friggin’ hypocrite!

Video: Obama in ‘08 Hit Hillary Clinton for Health Care ’Penalty’

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM

The sad part is that it is an open question as to which nation is more socialist at this point. They are trending towards an open market society and the US is trending towards socialism. Life can be very strange.

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 5:13 PM

All I can tell you is they pretty much are done with unions where in USSR days it was nothing but unions. They have flat 13% income tax across the board, no deductions, making this very easy and simple. They have few business limiting rules and regulations as long as you “share” some of your profits with the cops, in place of mafia who used to charge way more and were actually your “business partner” in many cases, business “protection fees” to cops are probably way less than a business here pays to both state and feds in fees when all is done and said. About a month ago they enacted “no single sex marriages” law, one can see it as a plus or minus.

Entire system is still based on bribes, but costs way less than our K Street, WAY, WAY less.

Health care still sucks, big time, but will improve as time goes on.

Freedom of press, hmmm, still government lackeys, but same as here. And they do have their own Rush Limboughs there, a good number by now, both on TV and radio. And in press.

Demonstrations are still under government authorization, but after yesterday’s Secret Service idiocy in DC the only difference is the use of force. For now, that is, as we seem to be rapidly catching up with them.

So, you be the judge.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Obama’s lawyers argued before the Supreme Court that Obamacare was a tax. And, now DWS argues that it ain’t no tax. I want to take this case before Andy Taylor in the Mayberry Supreme Court. I am sure Andy Taylor would throw her in jail and lock her up right next to Otis.

SC.Charlie on July 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Charlie, why you hatin’ on Otis?

ghostwalker1 on July 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM

What about the beat to enlighten…?

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:13 PM

What do you have in mind?

gravityman on July 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I know, but most of Americans aren’t lawyers. I know the difference and the fact that he used his legal divining rod to find a new “right to tax” for the government. (That’s a play on words. It used to be that originalists worried about liberal Justices finding theretofore undiscovered rights like the “right to privacy.” Now, we have a Conservative CJ/Christopher Colombus discovering discovery a new tax). Anyhoo, I understand and have written much about it, including this from last night: Roberts’ Folly.

Nevertheless, she can explain that they aren’t requiring Americans carry health insurance. Good luck with that.

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Has anyone asked these slimy liars about the 20 million illegal alien “free riders” yet?

Will they all be denied health care in emergency rooms from now on?

profitsbeard on July 3, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Freedom of press, hmmm, still government lackeys, but same as here. And they do have their own Rush Limboughs there, a good number by now, both on TV and radio. And in press.

Demonstrations are still under government authorization, but after yesterday’s Secret Service idiocy in DC the only difference is the use of force. For now, that is, as we seem to be rapidly catching up with them.

Well they aren’t a free society but they do seem to be headed towards a somewhat free market.

So, you be the judge.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Maybe Americans could get political asylum in Russia in a few years given the way things are going.

yesterday’s Secret Service idiocy in DC

I missed that. What happened?

sharrukin on July 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Crack!!?? Please! The woman is on BATH SALTS!!

ToddPA on July 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Careful, she’ll rip your lungs out, Jim.

slickwillie2001 on July 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

You’re shooting yourself in the head to call the mandate a “tax.”

J.E. Dyer on July 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Wasn’t that taken out of our hands by Justice Roberts?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

profitsbeard on July 3, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Racist, you want poor people to die!///

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 5:32 PM

They gave the US enough rope…only the US people are to blame.

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Not that much rope was required, was it?

It starts with our education system controlled by rabid communists with absolutely no sense of logical thinking nor fact based reality and absolutely no knowledge of history. We have perfect examples of what’s wrong with liberals, and just how much wrong, starting with Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Kim (Castro is a hack when compared to them), and yet only a liberal, fully demented mind can insist its all good.

I am truly ashamed for my fellow tribesmen for unleashing this scourge upon humankind a century ago.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Hey! Maybe we can get the IRS to protect our borders!

GarandFan on July 3, 2012 at 4:21 PM

…I like that!

KOOLAID2 on July 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Racist, you want poor people to die!///

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Won’t they be required by Congress to buy a gun first and pay tax on it?

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM

In a different time and place, she would have been perceived as being completely out of her mind!

pilamaye on July 3, 2012 at 4:09 PM

That would be 2012, in America.

profitsbeard on July 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Forcing the Democrats to spout this crap is, in fact, the silver lining that so many Conservatives say doesn’t exist.

Obamacare was the main reason the GOP did so well in the midterms. As much as I would have loved to see it killed by SCOTUS, it’s more important to defeat Obama than to defeat Obamacare.

I will put my faith in Independent voters who don’t like Obamacare, the same ones who handed the GOP their biggest midterm gains in decades, to like it even less now, and to be that much more disillusioned with the Dems spin on the whole “is it or isn’t it a tax” issue. This will only serve to give the impression that they’ll lie and spin about anything and everything.

And if Obamacare is ultimately repealed, it will be that much more satisfying to achieve that through the ballot box, so that Liberals can say “the American people are hopeless”, as opposed to “SCOTUS is corrupt”.

ardenenoch on July 3, 2012 at 5:38 PM

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must DWS…

aposematic on July 3, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Can a waiver be issued for a tax? Allowing that Romney has stated an intention of granting waivers for each of the 50 states on ‘day one’, would that waiver be available if the mandate is a tax and not a mandate?

News2Use on July 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

If your state elects not to create an exchange, I think that you aren’t going to be subject to the tax/mandate. This is why:

The Feds can’t force the states to create exchanges. The Feds can come in and set up exchanges in the states that elect not to create them, but there is a problem. When Democrats wrote the legislation, they forgot to include a funding mechanism for Federal government-run exchanges. Further, the Federal subsidies, per statute, can only be used in state-run exchanges.

Employers with less than 50 employees are not subject to the employer mandate that requires them provide health insurance. In states without exchanges, employers with more than 50 employees are exempt from the mandate, as well.

If you are eligible for subsidies, but there is no exchange, you don’t have to pay the penalty.

If your employer doesn’t provide insurance and there is no exchange, I think that you are exempt from the penalty, too, although this might only apply if you fall below a certain income level (IIRC, it was around $88,000 for a family of 4).

Lastly, under the Obama Doctrine — Presidents simply do not have to enforce laws that they, themselves, believe to be unconstitutional, cost-ineffective, “unfair,” contrary to our “values,” not politically expedient, etc. — a future POTUS can simply issue an Executive Order directing his Treasury Secretary not to collect the tax. :-)

Bad precedents are bad for a reason…and it has nothing to do with skin colour. It’s too bad so many people refuse to listen.

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 5:40 PM

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM

If they are Mexican the gun will be provided for free from the Obama administration.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 5:42 PM

make us all pay for your being irresponsible and increase all of our health care costs.

This is what they’ll be saying to overweight people 10 years from now when their government issued food card does not allow them to purchase a box of cookies.

ardenenoch on July 3, 2012 at 5:42 PM

“We’re not going to tolerate that any more in America. You have to be responsible and you have to pay a penalty if you choose not to be,” she continued.

This was spoken to La Raza? About all of the illegal moochers?

No more free health care for them?

Or free education?

Damned “Free riders”!

The IRS will be outside of every emergency room to penalize them all?

profitsbeard on July 3, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Incredible that Leftists are now suddenly concerned about “free riders” when their entire ideology is based upon dividing up the civil society into “classes” and having one “free ride” off of the labor of another!

Even more astonishing is that the average Dem voter buys into the talking point.

visions on July 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM

DWS surprisingly makes one good point, which she should have thought of before voting to pass this nonsense:

“This is a penalty that will be assessed on the tax return if you choose to roll the dice and make us all pay for your being irresponsible and increase all of our health care costs.”

Too bad the penalty is only $50 a month. Perhaps millions of young people will take this path. Whatever happened to we would all pitch in for affordable health care?

Mr_Magoo on July 3, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Again, I ask, if Obamacare is so great, why did Congress exempt themselves?

ctmom on July 3, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Charlie, why you hatin’ on Otis? – ghostwalker1 on July 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM

You are absolutely right. Otis would win an enormous sum of money in a civil suit, having to be in a cell next to DWS would be an unbearable (cruel and unusual) punishment.

SC.Charlie on July 3, 2012 at 5:47 PM

“This is a penalty that will be assessed on the tax return if you choose to roll the dice and make us all pay for your being irresponsible and increase all of our health care costs.

I almost choked on the “being irresponsible…” portion of her statement.

The Dems actually want individuals to be responsible?

Like, responsible for their own contraception?
Responsible for their lifestyle choices?
Responsible for the ramifications of having squandered five years in college for a useless degree?
Responsible for taking a loan on a house when your income clearly dictates that you should be living in an apartment?
Responsible for raising your own family – without government assistance?

Oh my we could have fun with this.

Hill60 on July 3, 2012 at 5:49 PM

If they are Mexican the gun will be provided for free from the Obama administration.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I forgot that :-)

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:52 PM

How can any real man ever be alone with this witch?

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

You mean, alone alone? No bats, no stun guns, no assault weaponry?
No effing way.

But, she does look like a cuter version of the Creature from the Black Lagoon, wouldn’t you say?

TXUS on July 3, 2012 at 5:52 PM

This was spoken to La Raza? About all of the illegal moochers?

No more free health care for them?

Or free education?

Damned “Free riders”!

The IRS will be outside of every emergency room to penalize them all?

profitsbeard on July 3, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I think HusseinCare was specific that only LEGAL citizens are to be taxed. Illegals, as with every other public assitance, will be provided all services for free, as they are today.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:54 PM

How can any real man ever be alone with this witch?

Schadenfreude on July 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

As Russians say, There are no ugly women, just not enough vodka.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:55 PM

You’re shooting yourself in the head to call the mandate a “tax.”

J.E. Dyer on July 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Wasn’t that taken out of our hands by Justice Roberts?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

No. The meaning of government’s authorities is never out of the people’s hands. In America, we are blessed by our heritage to be able to dispute and correct the mistakes of authority peacefully.

Please don’t agree that Obamacare is a “tax.” If it is, Congress can make you buy anything and call it a tax. The center of the fight has to be that Obamacare is not a use of the congressional power to tax. Roberts was wrong about that, and the recent verdict has to be repudiated by the processes of law.

In order of scheduling, but in reverse order of significance, this is what I believe has to be done:

1. Repeal Obamacare.

2. Pass a law defining Congress’s power to tax and explicitly excluding the power to force anyone to engage in commerce, regardless of whether a monetary penalty is applied or not. See that law tested in the Supreme Court. (It will be.)

3. If necessary, propose and ratify an amendment to the Constitution prohibiting any branch of the federal government from forcing anyone to engage in commerce. I would be more comfortable with this amendment on the books, frankly.

We are not required to accept the rulings of the Supreme Court. We are only bound to act lawfully in opposing them. Roberts is wrong. To accept his reading of the power to tax would be to administer a poison to the republic.

J.E. Dyer on July 3, 2012 at 5:57 PM

“This is a penalty that will be assessed on the tax return if you choose to roll the dice and make us all pay for your being irresponsible and increase all of our health care costs.

I almost choked on the “being irresponsible…” portion of her statement.

The Dems actually want individuals to be responsible?

Oh my we could have fun with this.

Hill60 on July 3, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Responsible for crossing the border illegally?
Responsible for burdening the welfare, medical, school and other services and systems illegally?

Responsible?

I thought the only use of that word by a Dem was “Bush was responsible for the bad economy!”

profitsbeard on July 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM

The IRS will be outside of every emergency room to penalize them all?

profitsbeard on July 3, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I think HusseinCare was specific that only LEGAL citizens are to be taxed. Illegals, as with every other public assitance, will be provided all services for free, as they are today.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Someone should ask Justice Roberts about that.

profitsbeard on July 3, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Question needing an answer. Can a waiver be issued for a tax?
Allowing that Romney has stated an intention of granting waivers for each of the 50 states on ‘day one’, would that waiver be available if the mandate is a tax and not a mandate?

News2Use on July 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Better question. If Alabama passes(as other states have already) a State Constitutional Amendment stating that Alabamians are NOT required to participate, how do I keep the Feds from taking my money via withholdings??? via refunds???

Why does it feel like 1856 all over again?

orbitalair on July 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Too bad the penalty is only $50 a month. Perhaps millions of young people will take this path. Whatever happened to we would all pitch in for affordable health care?

Mr_Magoo on July 3, 2012 at 5:45 PM

A major medical policy for a young, healthy person can be purchased for as low as $75 a month. The policies that the government is going to make them buy are going to cost far, far more than that. Why should the young purchase more insurance than they need? This isn’t Social Security or Medicare. Why should they have to “pay it forward” (as the Left likes to say) on private, health insurance?

Should you pay more for auto insurance so that the kid with 3 crashes and 6 tickets can pay less?

Resist We Much on July 3, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Incidentally, “waivers” can be issued for taxes. Servicemembers are routinely excused from paying their federal income taxes while serving in combat zones. (They still have to pay SS and Medicare.)

Congress can tailor a tax waiver in various ways. A “tax holiday” is basically a temporary tax waiver. Congress doesn’t tax equally and hasn’t for a long time, ever since the income tax was indexed to income level. This is a political dead end.

J.E. Dyer on July 3, 2012 at 6:11 PM

J.E. Dyer on July 3, 2012 at 5:57 PM

I like what you are saying, but do you think we have the tools, in the way of personnel in Congress to make any of that happen. Considering the lukewarm response from leadership, I am not optimistic. And as a childish aside, I mean “tools” in the normal and derogatory sense.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 6:11 PM

“I think he’s acting like a spoiled brat,” Wasserman Schultz said of Gov. Rick Scott, R-Fla., per WOKV.


@DWStweets June 21

Mitt Romney has truly sunk to a new low, urging the governor of my home state to downplay good economic news—and rooting for failure.

I wonder what its like to live in a world so far removed from logical thought.

Flora Duh on July 3, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I think HusseinCare was specific that only LEGAL citizens are to be taxed. Illegals, as with every other public assitance, will be provided all services for free, as they are today.

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 5:54 PM

You are correct. The Democrats were very careful to write ObamaTax to say that illegal aliens are specifically exempted from the requirement to purchase government-approved health insurance.

Section 5000A(d) of the Affordable Care Act exempts three classes of people from the definition of “applicable individual” subject to the minimum coverage requirement: Those with religious objections or who participate in a “health care sharing ministry,”§5000A(d)(2); those who are “not lawfully present” in the United States, §5000A(d)(3); and those who are incarcerated, §5000A(d)(4).

So one of the biggest categories of health care “free riders” in the U.S. — the millions of illegal aliens who use our ER docs as their “free” primary care physicians (at a yearly cost to U.S. taxpayers of billions of dollars) — are not subject to either the requirement to purchase health care insurance, or the TAX for failing to purchase it. IOW, these millions of “free riders” get to continue their “free ride” thanks to the Democrats and ObamaTax.

AZCoyote on July 3, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Pretzels anyone?

CW on July 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM

I may be WAY off base but didn’t, at some point, IRS “charter” say their only authority was over taxes?
so if its not a tax then do they not have authority to collect?
its been way too many years for me to remember details, does that sound familiar to anyone?

dmacleo on July 3, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Obama Administration Argues to Supreme Court that ObamaCare’s Mandate Is a Tax, Tells Reporters That It’s Not a Tax

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/07/03/dnc-chair-its-easiest-for-the-irs-to-administer-the-health-care-mandate-but-its-not-a-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-5990464

SC.Charlie on July 3, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Let me get this straight… We needed ObamaCare to insure 47 million Americans who do not have it, but now only one million people will be affected.

It remains to be seen how well the “free rider” and “freeloader” accusations will work for Obama and the Democrats. Millions of Americans, in fact, do not have health insurance—and a majority of them are probably low-income Democrats. Can calling someone irresponsible persuade them to vote for you?

Colony14 on July 3, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Cindy Munford — I don’t know if we have the political assets right now. The election in November will be informative in that regard. I don’t think Romney will lead a “constitutionalist” movement, if you will — he’s a pragmatist and not a philosopher of liberty like Reagan. Although I believe he will sign a repeal of Obamacare, I also think he is going to disappoint many conservatives by insisting that the repeal be tied to a “replace,” with statist elements that we won’t like.

My prediction is that the movement to return to narrowly-defined and limited government will last longer, and take longer, than the next presidential term. I don’t think the lights will go out on it, however. There is too much already embedded in the federal government that eats away at the people, and merely managing it “better” is not enough. People are waking up to that, and wanting to oppose it rather than being cowed by it.

Enough American colonists came to see the necessity of fighting a war of independence, in spite of the tall odds against that wave of opinion. Even after a terrible and bloody civil war, our nation came together and affirmed the universality of God-given rights. America has done some remarkable and unique things, and we have every prospect of beating the odds again. The Founders’ fight started a good 20 years before the Treaty of Paris in 1783, and it took until 1791 to ratify a constitution for union. I would rather that a successful fight take nearly 30 years than give up the fight. The tide has to turn first in the people, and I think that’s what is happening right now.

J.E. Dyer on July 3, 2012 at 6:33 PM

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