Romney advisor: You’re right, the ObamaCare mandate isn’t a tax

posted at 9:54 pm on July 2, 2012 by Allahpundit

When you nominate the man responsible for RomneyCare, don’t be surprised if his team’s reluctant to embrace Roberts’s argument that a mandate is a tax. Even if everyone else in the party has spent the past five days happily rubbing The One’s face in it.

Over at Breitbart.com, Joel Pollak urges Romney to get it together:

Fehrnstrom allowed Chuck Todd to push him off message–and re-ignited the fears that conservatives have long had about Romney’s will and ability to fight. In response, conservatives–who had just coalesced around opposition to what many now call “Obamatax”–exhort: Mitt, start fighting, or give up and let someone else do it.

Fehrnstrom’s point–in defense of Romneycare–was that the Supreme Court was wrong to uphold Obamacare under the taxing power. The individual mandate was never intended to be a tax, Congress never called it a tax, and it wasn’t a tax in Massachusetts, either. Fine–but now that Obama’s lawyers went to court and called it a tax, and Chief Justice John Roberts called it a tax (and spare us the non-distinction between “tax” and the “taxing power”) Obamacare is, undeniably, a massive tax on the middle class. Obama lied. It’s that simple.

The GOP primary is over, and this is not a mistake that Fehrnstrom can merely shake away. It’s going to be used–and already is being used–by the Obama campaign to save itself from the tax argument, and to label Romney as a liar (when that label belongs squarely on Obama, who campaigned against Hillary Clinton’s individual mandate in 2008).

Tom Maguire says Fehrnstrom should have fallen back on the federalism argument that Romney’s used in the past to distinguish a state program like RomneyCare from an unconstitutional federal power grab like ObamaCare. Would that still work, though? Now that the Court’s upheld O’s signature boondoggle, the “RomneyCare = legal, ObamaCare = illegal” defense doesn’t really fly. I’m not sure that it ever really did: The reason RomneyCare’s such a liability for Mitt isn’t because it’s constitutionally questionable but because it’s a hair-raising government expansion that ended up blazing a trail for O-Care. To me, Romney’s federalism indictment of ObamaCare always smacked of him saying to voters, “Don’t worry! Legally, as president, I couldn’t impose my Massachusetts plan on you even if I wanted to.” Um, great.

I think that argument’s even weaker when it comes to taxes just because alarms start going off in people’s heads at the mention of the word. Hard to think of federalism niceties when you’re focused on more money potentially being sucked out of your pocket. That said, though, Pollak’s right: I think you have to hit O on the “tax” charge even if Romney’s a terribly flawed messenger for it. It’s viscerally effective and you can count on most low-information voters not to know or learn that Romney had a little tax-penalty-mandate of his own in Massachusetts. If worse comes to worst, he can always claim that Massachusetts residents love to pay taxes — which isn’t strictly true, but is true enough that they keep electing Democrats — and that most Americans don’t, and he’ll govern accordingly. Unlike The One.

Two clips for you, one of advisor Eric Fehrnstrom and the other via NRO of Krauthammer urging Romney to be just as hypocritical about this as Obama and Democrats are. Exit quotation via Mitt spokeswoman Andrea Saul: “The federal individual mandate in Obamacare is either a constitutional tax or an unconstitutional penalty. Governor Romney thinks it is an unconstitutional penalty. What is President Obama’s position?”


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Romney needs to fire this idiotic POS or send him to Iraq until the election. He’s retarded.

Jaibones on July 3, 2012 at 12:30 AM

second look at brokered convention?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on July 3, 2012 at 12:31 AM

There’s certainly enough taxes in the bill to justify using reconciliation to repeal it. After all, the Dems used reconciliation to pass it.

My point is, we need to remind people how bad the substance of the bill is, rather than going round and round about whether we should call that mandate a penalty or a tax.

TarheelBen on July 3, 2012 at 12:25 AM

I disagree with that part, because calling it a “tax” is a great soundbite imo, as long as Mitt & Co. don’t get caught up in feeling they have to defend what he said about his own mandate in MA, which I don’t believe would be difficult for them to achieve…

Bizarro No. 1 on July 3, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Romney needs to fire this idiotic POS or send him to Iraq until the election. He’s retarded.

Jaibones on July 3, 2012 at 12:30 AM

Mitt has NO reason to fire the guy. Did he lie? NO! Is he the one running to Israel right now? NO! Was he doing his level best to assist Romney albeit in a most LIbEral fashion? YES!

Mitt did the honorable thing as the fault of his being such a uber liberal falls on HIS shouldres and no one elses.

Gary Johnson 2012: He Isn’t Rom0bama!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Romney needs to fire this idiotic POS or send him to Iraq until the election. He’s retarded.

Jaibones on July 3, 2012 at 12:30 AM

lol

I have this funny idea that we won’t be hearing from him in the near future! >crossing fingers<

Bizarro No. 1 on July 3, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Mitt has NO reason to fire the guy.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 12:35 AM

To me, it’s not about firing, it’s about keeping the guy out of the public eye, because he hasn’t shown that he has a good, savvy political head on his shoulders…

Bizarro No. 1 on July 3, 2012 at 12:38 AM

I disagree with that part, because calling it a “tax” is a great soundbite imo, as long as Mitt & Co. don’t get caught up in feeling they have to defend what he said about his own mandate in MA, which I don’t believe would be difficult for them to achieve…

Bizarro No. 1 on July 3, 2012 at 12:33 AM

But there’s about 600 billion in new taxes, 21 of them, that have been in the bill all along. People need to be aware of this.

TarheelBen on July 3, 2012 at 12:40 AM

And in the political world, it’s whatever a given side can call it to benefit them. So for Barry, it’s still a mandate, though to call it such invalidates the very decision they praise, and for Romney, it is a “tax” because it benefits him to say so, but betrays the reality and legal truth that it is a mandate.

As you can see, all three world coexist, but they do NOT work together. And we are surprised that people want to bust out the torches and pitchforks?

Saltyron on July 2, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I think you missed the point. For Romney it is NOT a tax. For him it is still a mandate with a penalty. He gets attacked because he calls the dog a dog, although everybody else here is calling it a cat.

Gelsomina on July 3, 2012 at 12:43 AM

If it is a penalty, it is unconstitutional. The law is constitutional only as a Tax. Why is that so difficult for Mitt’s camp to understand and explain?

antisocial on July 3, 2012 at 12:43 AM

%To me, it’s not about firing, it’s about keeping the guy out of the public eye, because he hasn’t shown that he has a good, savvy political head on his shoulders…

Bizarro No. 1 on July 3, 2012 at 12:38 AM

To me it is most apparent that Romney could care less about what you and I think.

Like it or not, Romney must approve of what this guy said as he hasn’t denounced anything he stated.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Gary Johnson 2012: He Isn’t Rom0bama!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 12:00 AM

It’s partly because hardcore Romney supporters like yourself are so detestable and unprincipled that your candidate is going to lose in November.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Let’s say you guys convert 100–no, 1000–no, 1,000,000–no, 10,000,000 voters to join you.

Johnson still won’t win. And you insanely think that makes him a stronger candidate.

Unlike Romney, Gary Johnson’s record and his rhetoric are consistent over the years. Unlike Romney people can trust Gary Johnson that he will do everything in his power to bring the corruption and runaway spending to heal. His record proves it, unlike either Obama’s or Romney’s.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 12:13 AM

That’s the point. If by some bizarre miracle Johnson did win, he would have no allies, no party, no power other than the power of an Imperial Presidency that he has promised not to utilize. (Unless it’s possible for him to break his promise without the Libertarian kooks admitting that he broke his promise. What flavor Koolaid do Libertarians drink? BTW, we prefer that you use a straw so we don’t have to wipe the lip smudges off your glass. We’ll need to get those glasses ready again for the next batch of “only-my-candidate-is-good-for-the-country” enthusiasts in 2014.)

So stop wasting our time pooh-poohing Romney, the best person who can still be put in a position to do some good at the head of the ticket. Not because he is wonderful, but because he is the best we can get to do the job.

He wasn’t my choice either, but no one else has any chance at all now. Unless you want to take my earlier suggestion–just write in “Murkowski.” It worked once before, and makes just as much sense as your other idea.

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Fehrnstrom, the Etch-A-Sketch genius will have to use the etch-a-sketch to play Pelosi.

One couldn’t make this up if one were a screenplay writer Wunderkind.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 11:34 PM

You are the etch-a-sketches here. You changed your minds within 5 minutes of the decision.

You call it a tax now, because you think it’s politically expedient, not because you really believe it. You are doing exactly what you were Romney accusing of again and again.

If it were not so sad, it would be deliciously ironic.

Gelsomina on July 3, 2012 at 12:51 AM

It’s soooooooooooooooo much easier to shoot oneself in the foot while wearing beach attire on said feet…

Gohawgs on July 3, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Johnson still won’t win. And you insanely think that makes him a stronger candidate.

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM

I have never said that Gary can’t win and that makes him stronger. I’ve said that he can win because there are more independents than Democrats or Republicans and people realize that they don’t have to vote for the crappy D and R candidates like the MSM says, then Gary Johnson will win.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 12:56 AM

second look at brokered convention?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on July 3, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Let’s say Romney gets elected, ObamaCare gets repealed, the economy roars back to life, the border gets almost entirely sealed and America’s values again are championed around the world.

Some of you will still want to re-visit the topic of “what if we had brokered that convention in Tampa?”

Cause your guy coulda done everything faster, better, smarter. With a better-lookin’ woman at his side.

I know it’s cruel to disallow old-timers from learning how to use the internet, but c’mon guys, try to keep these things realistic.
Don’t you have to be ready to play Bingo in a few hours?

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Let’s say Romney gets elected, ObamaCare gets repealed, the economy roars back to life, the border gets almost entirely sealed and America’s values again are championed around the world.

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 12:58 AM

If that isn’t Hope and Change I don’t know what is.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Why is he on Meth NBC?

Kjeil on July 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

If that isn’t Hope and Change I don’t know what is.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Hope and Change is voting for Mickey Mouse as if it were a real option.

Through your incessant posting on any thread with Romney’s name in it you guys make the Perotbots of ’92 look like pikers.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

He wasn’t my choice either, but no one else has any chance at all now.

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Ahh! Another fighter who throws in the towel before the battle has begun. Yep! I can smell the FAIL from here.

They did not know it was impossible, so they did it!

Mark Twain, another Great American.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Conservatives to Mitt Supporters: Quit Now If You Won’t Fight Obamatax!

FIFM /smug

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Roberts said it is a tax which allows the mandate to stand, the Dems and this guy claim it is a penalty or anything except a tax. If it isn’t a tax then the mandate is invalid because it isn’t a tax. If that makes sense.

Russ86 on July 3, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Perot would have WON if he was serious about winning:

In June, Perot led the national public opinion polls with support from 39% of the voters (versus 31% for Bush and 25% for Clinton).

Like it or not, Romney is the Ross Perot of 2012 as evidenced in this article:

Conservatives to Mitt: Quit Now If You Won’t Fight Obamatax!

No wonder Mitt headed to Israel. He went into hiding!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 1:20 AM

I agree with Romney. This is not a tax. It’s a penalty.

Burke on July 2, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Except that Romney says its a TAX. Main reason Etch-a-Sketch was caught lying.

The bill is nothing but 21 different TAXES on not only individuals, but a number of health care business types.

Glad you agree with Romney, although not sure what the agreement could be.

/s

riddick on July 3, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Hope and Change is voting for Mickey Mouse as if it were a real option.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

You’re not psychic, there’s no possible way for you to know who is going to win the election. You are just deluding yourself.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 1:38 AM

With this kind of campaign team, Romney can’t lose!

/snark

Arms Merchant on July 3, 2012 at 1:43 AM

You are just deluding yourself.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Liberalism IS a disorder of the brain. RomBots prove that time and time again.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Through your incessant posting on any thread with Romney’s name in it you guys make the Perotbots of ’92 look like pikers.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Good, because Perot never served in public office and wasn’t very serious about winning, I’ve heard. Perot was not a successful governor of a state like Gary Johnson. Where Perot failed, Gary Johnson can succeed.

And to correct a false assumption on your part, in fact I don’t post in every Romney thread, I post in every Obamneycare thread. If Romney didn’t want to be associated with Romneycare and Obamacare then he should not have signed the bill and praised Obamacare, and/or he shouldn’t have celebrated the Romneycare signing and defended it for all these years. It’s his own tough luck that both he and Obama are the only two politicians in the country who responsible for Obamacare/Romneycare. It’s too bad that according to a Bush appointed Justice of the SCOTUS the Obamacare mandate, and thus the Romneycare mandate, are taxes. It’s a freak of fate that that means Governor Romney was a tax hiker of historic proportions in his state, just like Obama is in the nation.

It’s too bad that Romney can’t change reality, I’m sure he would if he could, but the best he and his supporters can do is resort to rhetorical tricks.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 1:56 AM

My point is, we need to remind people how bad the substance of the bill is, rather than going round and round about whether we should call that mandate a penalty or a tax.

TarheelBen on July 3, 2012 at 12:25 AM

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!

We need to get people to recognize that the fraudulently-named “Affordable Health Care” bill:

* DESTROYS your medical privacy. Instead of YOU controlling the dissemination of your medical information (as required by HIPPA), Obamacare requires you to waive ALL of your medical privacy in order to receive health care…even when you pay for it yourself.

* DESTROYS your financial privacy. It requires all banks to report the details of all of your accounts to the IRS, and allows them to share the information with (at least) other government agencies.

* DESTROYS the security of all of your bank accounts. It allows the IRS (intentionally or not) to drain all of your accounts WITHOUT NOTICE, WITHOUT ANY HEARING, and without any real recourse (you have to sue to get your assets back….but you’re broke and can’t afford a lawyer).

In short, Obamacare is a ruse allowing replacement of our democratic republic by a tyrannical dictatorship in America. If you look behind the flowery section titles and actually read the bill, you’ll find that it actually does absolutely nothing to increase the quality or availability of health care. It tries to distract you with “insurance” which it claims is a valid substitute for actual “health care.” It drives health care providers, including doctors, out of business and drives health care suppliers out of the country.

With Obamacare in place, even if you have the best insurance in the world, there will be no actual “health care” available to buy!!!!

landlines on July 3, 2012 at 2:02 AM

Let’s say Romney gets elected, ObamaCare gets repealed, the economy roars back to life, the border gets almost entirely sealed and America’s values again are championed around the world.

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 12:58 AM

If that isn’t Hope and Change I don’t know what is.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Great incomplete quote!

The point was that YOU will never be satisfied with Romney, regardless of what he does. He could be more conservative as President than Reagan–which isn’t saying that much, since Reagan the Campaigner was far more conservative than Reagan the President–and you would still be unhappy with him.

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 2:08 AM

landlines on July 3, 2012 at 2:02 AM

Great points all! Be sure to send them to Mitt in Israel even if he doesn’t care.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 2:10 AM

When Republicans realize that the Romneycare mandate makes Romney one of the biggest tax hikers in the nation I’m sure they will eventually feel relieved that Gary Johnson is on the ticket, even if he’s not their ideal. He may not be a typical conservative but he’s not a statist or Keynesian but he is a pro-market reformer.

President Johnson with a Republican Congress can cut spending and balance the budget and fix our tax regime and solve a lot of problems using the bully pulpit and popular support. He’s a likable guy.

And since he’ll probably have a Republican Congress Social conservatives will be able to keep him in check on their issues, so they shouldn’t have much to fear. It’s not like Gary is any worse than Romney, maybe more honest if anything.

I think Gary Johnson with a Republican Congress would allow the tea party members, the good ones, to shine through the rough.

Anyway, I want to watch a show about black holes before bed so I’m out of here this time…. I think. : )

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 2:11 AM

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Great post IF you are a liberal.

Everyone paying attention KNOWS that our prime concern is Romney’s LIBERAL RECORD. While some argue that is because he was Governor of Mass. we keep digging out reports of Mitts liberal speeches in which he takes a leftist view.

Now we have this and again you fake Republicans [payback for the insults from Rombots] attempting to obvuscate another Romney shift to the left.

Why not admit it. you are GLAD that Rom0bamacare was saved by the traitor Roberts. You should always tell the truth. That way, you don’t have to remember your lies.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 2:15 AM

The point was that YOU will never be satisfied with Romney,

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Duh, and neither will I ever be satisfied with Obama. So what’s your point?

He could be more conservative

That is a total hypothetical. In fact Romney’s record in office proves that he is no conservative. You’re incorrectly inferring that if Romney were more like somebody he’s not, more like somebody I could support, that I would still never be satisfied? That’s just silly. You are also suggesting that Romney has been conservative. He was in office, he has a record, where is the proof that he was ever conservative?

You said, “YOU will never be satisfied with Romney, regardless of what he does.” What you should have said is, “…regardless of what he says.”

That’s right, the words of Hope and Change politicians like Obama and Romney are like dust in the wind. That’s all they’re worth.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 2:23 AM

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Ahh! Another fighter who throws in the towel before the battle has begun. Yep! I can smell the FAIL from here.

They did not know it was impossible, so they did it!

Mark Twain, another Great American.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 1:14 AM

What you’re smelling is the electoral air of your home state of Minnesota. I know that because that’s the only state that has a history of allowing crazies to think they can get elected.

If you’re not from there you have no excuse for your delusions.

BTW, inspirational quotes are stupid in relation to politics. Whether you are willing to admit it or not makes no relevance. The fact is that electoral politics requires a candidate to convince a significant enough segment of the electorate that he/she is the best candidate available. Your concept of “only a few of us have been given this divine truth about who the best candidate is, so we will fight to the bitter end” will never get your guy elected.

In June, Perot led the national public opinion polls with support from 39% of the voters (versus 31% for Bush and 25% for Clinton).

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Good, because Perot never served in public office and wasn’t very serious about winning, I’ve heard. Perot was not a successful governor of a state like Gary Johnson. Where Perot failed, Gary Johnson can succeed.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Good Lord. At first I thought you guys were both out-of-touch old-timers trying to save the country in your last election, but now it appears you have as much depth as a couple of off-the-reservation adolescents posting on the internet as part of some class assignment. Who are you trying to kid into believing that Ross Perot ever had a snowball’s chance in that election in ’92?

We who were there and lived it know better.

If he hadn’t destroyed his own candidacy to the point that only a handful of you suckers voted for him–just enough to throw a serious election–both of the two sides would have done it.

That’s why the Presidential race has turned into a marathon–it’s the only way to guarantee that only serious candidates need apply. That’s why Sarah, Daniels, and other good people stayed out–and why Johnson’s candidacy is about his ideas, not the man himself, because he has zero chance of winning the election.

But you can’t understand that, can you?

Like I said before–please use a straw. Someone else will want to use that same glass in 2014.

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 2:38 AM

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Romney isn’t nearly as qualified to be President as Gary Johnson. Your judgment is being clouded by partisanship. Gary Johnson isn’t Perot; Romney is.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 2:46 AM

You said, “YOU will never be satisfied with Romney, regardless of what he does.” What you should have said is, “…regardless of what he says.”

That’s right, the words of Hope and Change politicians like Obama and Romney are like dust in the wind. That’s all they’re worth.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 2:23 AM

That’s what Ronaldus Magnus did, too.

I campaigned for him for 5 years before he became President–and then immediately broke one of the campaign promises he had made that had gained my support.

In 1984 I supported someone more conservative than Reagan. My vote was wasted, but at least I knew he didn’t need it. My lack of supporting him didn’t end up hurting America.

It took 20 years for me to realize that in spite of his shortcomings, I would never again get a chance to support as good a President as Reagan. So I have learned to always support the candidate who I think is best for the job–evaluating their Ability and their Will–without expecting them to be perfect.

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 2:52 AM

rwenger43 on July 3, 2012 at 2:38 AM

I am quite amused by the little people that stay home keeping their lazy boy recliners warm while I, the AWE inspiring Danno Man is out meeting and greeting actual voters and voters groups.

I’ve also enjoyed telling the RomBots TOLD YA SO since Romneys people have been so obliging in proving that his candidate is just another liberal like McLame.

It will be interesting to see your reaction when Johnson gathers in the RonPaul supporters. You see, they don’t want to change horses before the National GOP Convention, but after that they are up for grabs, and with Gary running on the Libertarian Ticket…

So lets review: Conservatives are again pissed at Mr. Individual Mandate and are looking for another candidate, the RonBots will soon be joining their ranks, and Mitt is on his way to Israel. HMM! Looks pretty BAD for Willard right now.

Gary Johnson 2012: He Isn’t Ron0bama.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 3:15 AM

I have never said that Gary can’t win and that makes him stronger. I’ve said that he can win because there are more independents than Democrats or Republicans and people realize that they don’t have to vote for the crappy D and R candidates like the MSM says, then Gary Johnson will win.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Take the longevity rate of marriages in Hollywood. Subtract it four times over. Those are the chances Gary Johnson has to win this election.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Grace_is_sufficient on July 3, 2012 at 4:18 AM

Grace_is_sufficient on July 3, 2012 at 4:18 AM

Say Grace! With the Conservatives calling for Romney to drop out of the race [read the links supplied above] and the Ronbots looking for someone to vote for in November, where do you think all of those votes will end up? Not with Romney, that is certain!

You will understand just how screwed your liberal candidate is once the fine folks at HotAir start including articles about Gary Johnson here, call it within 3 weeks.

In the meantime, from USNews.com:

Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson is trying to elbow his way into contention as a major national candidate who deserves to be take seriously.

To that end, Johnson is joining the many conservatives who have condemned the Supreme Court’s ruling that President Obama’s healthcare law is constitutional. Johnson calls it a “truly disturbing decision” because the law requires people to buy health insurance, and this erodes freedom and liberty. Johnson is urging Congress to repeal the law.

Johnson 2012: The Not Ron0bama Candidate

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 4:36 AM

Ben Howe over at RedState went to the trouble of talking to the Romney camp:

http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2012/07/02/romney-camp-obamacare-not-a-tax/

Supposedly, this is their line of thinking:
“The Supreme Court left President Obama with two choices: the federal individual mandate in Obamacare is either a constitutional tax or an unconstitutional penalty. Governor Romney thinks it is an unconstitutional penalty. What is President Obama’s position: is his federal mandate unconstitutional or is it a tax?”

That’s all fine and dandy after the fact. But does any thinking person (with a pules…thereby eliminating 5% of those voting Democrat…) believe this approach will persuade a single undecided/independent?!?

You know, like the kind of voters who might allow someone to “win an election,” so they might actually be in the position to do something about this?!?

Czar of Defenestration on July 3, 2012 at 5:00 AM

Czar of Defenestration on July 3, 2012 at 5:00 AM

Hey! Welcome back!

Ready to tell the liberal Romney supporters TOLD YA SO yet? Best be careful. If you do they will think you are me.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 5:15 AM

Ready to tell the liberal Romney supporters TOLD YA SO yet? Best be careful. If you do they will think you are me.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 5:15 AM

Told you so what?

I watched that clip and Chuck Todd was not even coherent. I think Eric thought he was still talking about the Mass Health Care plan.

But the point is that Obama told the taxpayers it was not a tax and then his lawyer argued in front of the Supreme Court that it was.

Romney did not pass a 2,000 page health care bill in Mass that the people did not want and that did not have bipartisan support. He did not cut medicare to do it..or add millions of people to the rolls of medicaid, nor did he tax everything from tampons to tanning beds.

Now, if people who lost the primary because they could not back a winning candidate want to fight this battle all over again they can…but the American people know that Obama is the guy who pushed Obamacare through, not Romney.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 6:56 AM

This is what happens when you have a RINO socialist like Romney. As it is with the democommies, the RINO socialists always stumble and end up revealing who they really are. Then comes the word parsing and the backtracking. All this shows is that neither side will change anything. For proof one needs look no further than what has occured since the GOP took the house in 2010. The only change that is occuring through the political process is more tyranny. Commie care is here to stay and the USA is what it is. More tyrannical and less free.

bgibbs1000 on July 3, 2012 at 7:02 AM

’ve also enjoyed telling the RomBots TOLD YA SO since Romneys people have been so obliging in proving that his candidate is just another liberal like McLame.

It will be interesting to see your reaction when Johnson gathers in the RonPaul supporters. You see, they don’t want to change horses before the National GOP Convention, but after that they are up for grabs, and with Gary running on the Libertarian Ticket…

So lets review: Conservatives are again pissed at Mr. Individual Mandate and are looking for another candidate, the RonBots will soon be joining their ranks, and Mitt is on his way to Israel. HMM! Looks pretty BAD for Willard right now.

Gary Johnson 2012: He Isn’t Ron0bama.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 3:15 AM

So, Let’s review…back when Romneycare was passed, conservatives supported it. The Heritage Foundation helped write it..Jim DeMint endorsed it and compared Romney to Reagan. Romney of course was under the impression that conservatives supported the bill, because so many high profile conservatives said just that.

Fast forward to 2009…Conservatives back off their support for Romneycare after the fact…the Heritage Foundation has to do some sort of mea culpa so that Rush Limbaugh will continue shilling for them and DeMint tries to equivocate his former support. But Romney does not denounce the bill. He does state however, that he is not responsible for the things added to the bill by the Democrat who followed him in office.

So, why would conservatives support an unelectable fruit cake like Johnson?

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Oh dear me….I guess it’s a good thing that anybody will be Obama this year. I will put Romney on the back burner for now and deal with that mess later. I want Obama removed from office, number one goal. When Romney does win, I will be having a thank goodness he is out of there party! with absolutely no excitement over Romney…and so it goes.

shar61 on July 3, 2012 at 7:06 AM

This is what happens when you have a RINO socialist like Romney. As it is with the democommies, the RINO socialists always stumble and end up revealing who they really are. Then comes the word parsing and the backtracking. All this shows is that neither side will change anything. For proof one needs look no further than what has occured since the GOP took the house in 2010. The only change that is occuring through the political process is more tyranny. Commie care is here to stay and the USA is what it is. More tyrannical and less free.

bgibbs1000 on July 3, 2012 at 7:02 AM

Rino socialist my ass. It is not Romney’s fault that people like you are incapable of finding and backing an electable candidate.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:07 AM

Gary Johnson is a douche.

Spliff Menendez on July 3, 2012 at 7:11 AM

If that isn’t Hope and Change I don’t know what is.

FloatingRock on July 3, 2012 at 1:01 AM

There is a far greater chance that Romney will work to repeal Obamacare than there is that Gary Johnson {who is just plain weird} will get elected. That is just a fact.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:14 AM

Romney’s campaign is a disaster. Not to mention he’s been MIA for weeks on theimportantstuff. He’ll jump all over Obama’s mundane gaffes but doesn’t have a thing to say about the major topics.

Spliff Menendez on July 3, 2012 at 7:17 AM

Tell me something…how many conservatives actually argued that the mandate was a tax? Not many..in fact, the argument was that it was unconstitutional because it was out of bounds for the commerce clause.

Now, it is a tax because of the Supreme Court ruling.For conservatives to make this a tax now is a matter of political expediency, the same way it was politically expedient for Obama’s lawyer to argue the tax angle rather than the commerce clause angle for the court.

It is all political.

The bottom line is people do not like Obamacare, whatever you call it and that is what you need to run against.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:19 AM

Rino socialist my ass. It is not Romney’s fault that people like you are incapable of finding and backing an electable candidate.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:07 AM

Romneycare is pure socialism and only a socialist could support it. And yeah it is Romney’s fault that people are not enthusiastically backing him because he’s the candidate. It’s his responsibility to give voters a reason to vote for him. So quit blaming his shortcomings on the very people you want to back him.

bgibbs1000 on July 3, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Romney’s campaign is a disaster. Not to mention he’s been MIA for weeks on theimportantstuff. He’ll jump all over Obama’s mundane gaffes but doesn’t have a thing to say about the major topics.

Spliff Menendez on July 3, 2012 at 7:17 AM

That is not true. The last weeks have been consumed by the Supreme Court. Romney could not change that.

And one guy getting confused because a reporter who was babbling himself ask him a question he did not seem to even understand..does not mean the entire campaign is a disaster.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:21 AM

The problem isn’t with just Romney……..IT’S THE ENTIRE gop LEADERSHIP!!!!!

They suck in so many ways I don’t have time to list them again. The list dates back 23 years!!

I heard Mitch McConnell going “wobbly” already on repeal of ObamaCare (Washington Times quote).

I’m not giving a dime to the RNC. I’m going to pick and choose Limited gov Tea Party types and hope for the best. And if Romney doesn’t come out with his wussy guns blazing on Repeal……then he can kiss our contributions goodbye too.

I despise the gop leadership they are pathetic, and frankly they were way back to the days of Scott from Pennsylvania when he let Mike Mansfield run all over him.

PappyD61 on July 3, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Romneycare is pure socialism and only a socialist could support it. And yeah it is Romney’s fault that people are not enthusiastically backing him because he’s the candidate. It’s his responsibility to give voters a reason to vote for him. So quit blaming his shortcomings on the very people you want to back him.

bgibbs1000 on July 3, 2012 at 7:20 AM

If you think Romneycare is pure socialism, then you do not even know what socialism is.

And as for people not supporting Romney..well if that had put half the time and energy into finding an electable alternative that they have into pissing and moaning and whining then maybe someone else would have had a shot..but they did not. They just sat back on their behinds and made silly demands and did nothing at all to actually change the situation. Meanwhile millions of people voted for Romney. The people made that choice.

Folks like you talk about the people, but you do not actually try to find someone who can represent them. You just lay down the law and lecture the rest of us.

sore loser cry babies.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:26 AM

I despise the gop leadership they are pathetic, and frankly they were way back to the days of Scott from Pennsylvania when he let Mike Mansfield run all over him.

PappyD61 on July 3, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Music to Obama’s ears. One of the reasons we are stuck with Obama is that a lot of people on the right sat out 2008 and let him win.

I am not saying you were one of them, but this attitude of always having to eat your own is definitely something Democrats count on from the right..they know that there will be people like you will spend most of their time and energy going after the GOP..so they don’t have to work so hard.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:29 AM

One asshat Establishment adviser points to the problem being the asshat Establishment in DC in BOTH PARTIES.

No matter who you vote for in NOV, you will have to hold the winner’s feet to the fire for the next four years, and your Representatives and Senators to that same high standard as well.

If you thought that just getting Romney elected was ‘it’, you have another think coming your way because not only is the Roberts decision a logical mess, riddled with self-contradictory statements and views, but it inaugurates a brandy-new era of governmental tyranny for taxing you for doing NOTHING. The mission is no longer ‘just’ repealing Obamacare but to now get this SCOTUS decision over-turned on the grounds that it creates a new power that is not granted to the federal government.

King George got a stamp act through and got through that tea tax, but even he didn’t have the audacity to propose that the colonists should be taxed for tea even if they didn’t purchase tea. In this the SCOTUS has opened a brand new power of the federal government that even most tyrants and despots know is insane because it defies all logic, and even the most kleptomaniacal dictator or thug-o-crat knows you can’t do this. Its better to just seize what you want than expect people to pay for something they aren’t getting… even the spaciest of dictators knows this.

Repeal Obamacare? Necessary but not sufficient to the job.

Getting the SCOTUS ruling on this brand new power over-turned? You will have the specter of Republicans offering 50 cent taxes on all Americans for not purchasing tobacco, for not purchasing alcohol, for not purchasing gas, for not purchasing volts, for not purchasing solar energy panels, for not purchasing buggy whips, for men not purchasing abortions for themselves… until the SCOTUS finally figures out that, really, the government cannot tax you for things you do not buy and for some items you cannot even purchase. In that getting the mandate to mix in a form of ethanol that doesn’t exist due to it being impractical is a good start since a penalty is levied against not purchasing a product that isn’t even made.

If you think the ruling was ridiculous, then be prepared to have to back ridiculous laws to point out to the SCOTUS just how insane the Roberts decision was. Nickel and dime stuff that, because it is duly passed by Congress that Romney will have to defend in front of the SCOTUS with the simple line: the Court pleased to rule this way and now we are seeing if there are ANY LIMITS TO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO. This is the modern equivalent of a Wickard case, and if we, the people, don’t get our representatives to straighten out this mess, then it is WE who will be to blame for not correcting this government.

This is not about the next election any more, and never was.

This is not about repealing Obamacare but the mentality that infests so many government that they think they are more fit to tell you how to lead your life and will use any power to coerce you to do as they say.

This doesn’t end on election day, or the day after, or in one year, of four years, or eight years, but will last you the rest of your life to claw back freedom and liberty from the Progressive Era that is looking to turn us all into clients and servants of the State.

This is the long, long, long war coming up.

And it will not take place on any battlefield nor with a clarion call of trumpets to it… unless we fail to claw back representative government that fears the power of the people and knows its place. Because if we do not keep this in the realms civil, we can still win but the horror and mess will be something we never, ever wished for.

ajacksonian on July 3, 2012 at 7:30 AM

So, why would conservatives support an unelectable fruit cake like Johnson?

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Gary Johnson 2012: He’s Not Liberal Rom0bama:

Conservatives to Mitt
: Quit Now If You Won’t Fight Obamatax!

You liberals are soo funny.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:29 AM

Shock! Republicans don’t like liberals! Who would have thunk it. LOL!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 7:34 AM

Gary Johnson 2012: He’s Not Liberal Rom0bama:

Conservatives to Mitt: Quit Now If You Won’t Fight Obamatax!

You liberals are soo funny.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Gary Johnson is not a conservative…he is a libertarian. And he is more liberal than I am.

And people do not want this guy and they will not vote for him..that is what is funny..people who complain the most about Obama want to run a guy who can not beat him against him. Hell, Ron Paul has a better chance than Johnson and he is unelectable too.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:36 AM

So, Let’s review…back when Romneycare was passed, conservatives supported it. The Heritage Foundation helped write it..Jim DeMint endorsed it and compared Romney to Reagan. Romney of course was under the impression that conservatives supported the bill, because so many high profile conservatives said just that.

Fast forward to 2009…Conservatives back off their support for Romneycare after the fact…the Heritage Foundation has to do some sort of mea culpa so that Rush Limbaugh will continue shilling for them and DeMint tries to equivocate his former support. But Romney does not denounce the bill. He does state however, that he is not responsible for the things added to the bill by the Democrat who followed him in office.

So, why would conservatives support an unelectable fruit cake like Johnson?

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Poppycock! Conservatives I know never supported Romneycare. I’m a conservative and I never supported it. Now yes there were some so-called conservatives who supported it, but that doesn’t mean all consevatives supported it. DeMint has at least denounced Romnyecare, Romney has not. And I’m not a Gary Johnson fan. I’ll vote for the RINO Romney only because he’s not the commie we have now. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna trust him.

bgibbs1000 on July 3, 2012 at 7:36 AM

Rino socialist my ass. It is not Romney’s fault that people like you are incapable of finding and backing an electable candidate.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:07 AM

OOPS! Your liberalism is showing again.

First you whine when we prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Romney IS a liberal, then you whine that we haven’t found a candidate when we do have a REAL Conservative one that puts lib Willard to shame.

Say! You are just like Sketchy! Congrats!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:29 AM

Shock! Republicans don’t like liberals! Who would have thunk it. LOL!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 7:34 AM

Republicans nominated Romney. More honest to God rank and file Republicans voted for and supported Romney than have ever voted for the former libertarian Governor of the blue state of New Mexico.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Man, Rick Santorum has to be laughing his @$$ off right now at the people that voted for Mitt, thinking Obamacare would not be an issue this election….

MityMaxx on July 3, 2012 at 7:41 AM

OOPS! Your liberalism is showing again.

First you whine when we prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Romney IS a liberal, then you whine that we haven’t found a candidate when we do have a REAL Conservative one that puts lib Willard to shame.

Say! You are just like Sketchy! Congrats!

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 7:37 AM

No, my common sense is showing. I am saying that if you do not like Romney, and you want to beat Obama then you need to find an electable candidate that Republicans will vote for in the primaries to get the nomination..someone who can actually win an election at least on his own side.

You can not do that. You sit back, ignore the fact that Republican s rejected your liberal libertarian and then whine that they did not hand him the nomination on a silver platter on account of you said so.

That is what I am saying.Cry baby sore losers.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:41 AM

Romney needs to lay down the law to that idiot. Organization, unity and strength of conviction are the keys to winning the presidency. Get your troops in line and get tough, Romney . . . no more pathetic wavering.

rplat on July 3, 2012 at 7:42 AM

Man, Rick Santorum has to be laughing his @$$ off right now at the people that voted for Mitt, thinking Obamacare would not be an issue this election….

MityMaxx on July 3, 2012 at 7:41 AM

I don’t think so. I think that the Friday jobs reports will come out..the election will be about the economy and most sane people know that Romney has said he will work to repeal Obamacare while Obama has promised he will not.

Most people will not get caught up in all the rest of this back and forth nonsense.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:36 AM

Don’t lie like a liberal just because Romney crotch kicked you as we’ve been telling you he would. Instead learn:

Johnson founded one of New Mexico’s largest construction companies. He entered politics for the first time by running for Governor of New Mexico in 1994 on a fiscally conservative, low-tax, anti-crime platform. He beat incumbent Democratic governor Bruce King by 50% to 40%. He cut the 10% annual growth in the budget: in part, due to his use of the gubernatorial veto 200 times during his first six months in office, which gained him the nickname “Governor Veto”.

Johnson sought re-election in 1998, winning by 55% to 45%. In his second term, he concentrated on the issue of school voucher reforms, as well as campaigning for marijuana decriminalization. During his tenure as governor, Johnson adhered to an anti-tax and anti-bureaucracy policy, setting state and national records for his use of veto powers: more than the other 49 contemporary governors put together. Term-limited, Johnson could not run for re-election at the end of his second term.

That is how a REAL Conservative governs, not by caving into the demands of his liberal friends as Sketchy did and will do again.

Feel free to go bury your head in the sand again. I’m certain these facts have left you traumatized, poor girl. /s

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 7:46 AM

Bottom line is this is Romney’s waterloo. If he can’t make the convincing case to repeal Obamatax, he is going to lose. Just that simple. The Republican candidate for President can not be seen on the same side as Obama or Nancy Pelosi on the individual mandate. Sorry, will not work! The SC has upheld Obamacare individual mandate as a TAX, not a penalty.

jjnco73 on July 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Gary Johnson is a kook. He has the extreme pothead vote. Move on.

Philly on July 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

I am saying that if you do not like Romney, and you want to beat Obama then you need to find an electable candidate that Republicans will vote for in the primaries to get the nomination..someone who can actually win an election at least on his own side.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:41 AM

I found my candidate, and he isn’t another LYING liberal RINO [conservative my aching 0bama!]. The rest that you parrot is mere GOP elitist propaganda.

Remind me and I’ll show how Romney’s GOP elitist buddies kept Johnson out of the debates even though he was polling higher than Santorum at the time, and how they did so with the able bodied assistance of CNN. /smug

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Gary Johnson is a kook. He has the extreme pothead vote. Move on.

Philly on July 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Kook? How sophmoric! Prove it. Heck, I don’t even know what that means anymore.

I guess you prefer Big government politicians that demand the right to advise 0bama on his healthcare program. Yep! You are ready to be a supporter of liberal Romney all right.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 7:57 AM

Republicans nominated Romney. More honest to God rank and file Republicans voted for and supported Romney than have ever voted for the former libertarian Governor of the blue state of New Mexico.

Terrye on July 3, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Ever hear of an open primary? More than a few states have those and we all read about how Romney BEGGED liberal democrats to vote for him in those.

Need a link?

DannoJyd on July 3, 2012 at 8:00 AM

I am not getting the Tax vs Penalty thing. Use any word you like, either way I have to pay. What’s the distinction?

steveracer on July 3, 2012 at 8:29 AM

mittens milquetoast and his minions strike again!

NOMITTNOBAMA 2012
mittens=dumb obama=dumber

JINDAL/WEST …IT’S NOT TOO LATE!
if it is, then GARY JOHNSON!

Pragmatic on July 3, 2012 at 8:34 AM

I am not getting the Tax vs Penalty thing. Use any word you like, either way I have to pay. What’s the distinction?

steveracer on July 3, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Not a damn thing other than to muddy the conversation and make it appear more difficult to repeal the Commie Care. Already turtle face RINO McConnell is hedging on repeal talking about how difficult it will be. When really all that’s needed is simple passage by majority, get that, majority votes, filibuster doesn’t matter, in both houses and a Presidential signature. All the other crap is theater because in the end these jackasses in both parties have no intention of repealing Commie Care.

bgibbs1000 on July 3, 2012 at 8:37 AM

Once the GOP starts to understand the amount of revenue involved, they will start looking for ways to profit from it, and less on trying to repeal it.

southsideironworks on July 3, 2012 at 8:38 AM

Gary Johnson is a kook. He has the extreme pothead vote. Move on.

Philly on July 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

but mittens is a liberal…whom do you prefer? I’ll take the so-called kook Gary Johnson over the spineless mittens milquetoast ANYTIME!

JINDAL/WEST OR GRAY JOHNSON

America cannot afford any more big government liberalism..NOMITTNOBAMA!

Pragmatic on July 3, 2012 at 8:39 AM

These are pretty shallow arguments which are long on hyperbole and short on intellectual analysis. In fact, given the author they appear to be disingenuous conclusions in search of an supporting argument.

By the way, I am a bit sick of the “flame Romney at every possible juncture” tactic.

How about you use your soapbox to support tactics that are logically thought through and directed at the real opposition? What does reactive fratricide buy us- except more division?

Simple fact, argumentatively and in reality PPACA is not a tax. It was declared a tax by a Justice whom I don’t believe too many people around here agree with.

Conclusion? It is not a tax- irrespective of how the GOP, who didn’t stop the brain to mouth process for some introspective, intellectual analysis, states. It was declared a tax.

So what’s the message? Better yet, what’s the future argument look like?

“Well, we don’t believe it’s a tax. But SCOTUS declared it a tax. So I suppose it is one.”

“In the future, would you support the process SCOTUS used to declare this a tax in other situations underlying the intrusive expansion of the Federal Government?”

“Errr…”

In the rush to push a political meme related to tax increase, this “tax tactic” really wasn’t completely thought through by the GOP.

Conversely, it was thought through by Team Romney.

Obamacare is destructive for many reasons. The bankrupting, cost-raising, burdensome fiscal argument is only one aspect, no matter what you call it.

But don’t let that get in the way of a blog post where you can feign a face palm at Romney’s expense.

Marcus Traianus on July 3, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Dance, Romneybots, dance!

SurferDoc on July 3, 2012 at 8:59 AM

The penalty is a tax. If you withdraw money from your IRA before retirement there is an “early withdrawal penalty”. There is also a penalty if you do not withdraw money from your IRA after a certain age in retirement. These are penalties designed to encourage or discourage a behavior, but they are also taxes. The difference of course is a retirement account is completely voluntary. If I don’t want to be subject to the conditions I don’t have to open an account. A mandate that applies to every adult with a heart beat is a whole different matter, but the penalty is still a tax.

Wigglesworth on July 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM

The Republicans have given us Bush 1, then Bob Dole, then Bush 2 and now Romney. Tell me why I should believe that they are the party of fiscal conservatism.

I know Gary Johnson doesn’t stand a chance, but he’s the only candidate that’s serious about smaller government. The Republican establishment certainly isn’t.

halfastro on July 3, 2012 at 9:06 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-romney-claims-slight-edge-15-battleground-states-164545408.html;_ylt=A2KLOzGP5vJPnRUA.Q3QtDMD

Polls are ALL OVER THE PLACE now. CNN has Romney up by 8 in 15 swing states but behind by 3 nationally?

Gallup is promoting (as is the Associated Press) it’s poll that shows God leading Romney by 5 points (but it’s “registered” voters).

Meaningless at this point. We just have to figure out which Progressive we want for the next four years.

Do we want the 1/2 black Transformer/Destroyer with the proven economic wreckage or the Slick haired Greedy Wall Streeter that now calls himself a “Reagan Conservative” but has disappeared from the radar screen after the most momentous decision against individual liberty in American History from SCOTUS?

Decisions, decisions.

Re-elect NO ONE 2012

PappyD61 on July 3, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Mittens, if you get to DC you will have some rather large house cleaning to do, entire departments to fire or eliminate, start now clean your own house and use the gusto you went after your fellow Republicans with or lose and lose the country as we knew it.

ConcealedKerry on July 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

If Mitt doesn’t have the guts to get rid of ONE GUY then how the hell is he EVER going to pry millions of SEIU-backed gov’t employees from the teet of Big Government?

Romney is as spineless as they come. His own record substantiates that on many levels. People who think otherwise are either willfully fooling themselves or delusional.

My guess is that he’s NOT going to win this election because the distinctions between him and Obama are blurry at best. People like bright line distinctions. Obama consistently drew them between himself and Hillary, albeit with one big lie after another.

And if perchance Romney does get elected, he will govern to the left-of-center if for no other reason than to make the Democrats hate him less than they already do… and he’ll get invited to appear on MSNBC!

Mahdi on July 3, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Romney needs to lay down the law to that idiot. Organization, unity and strength of conviction are the keys to winning the presidency. Get your troops in line and get tough, Romney . . . no more pathetic wavering.

rplat on July 3, 2012 at 7:42 AM

not-going-to-happen.

It’s his nature. It’s how he rolls. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if once the debates get here he completely collapses just like McCain did.

……..Individual liberty in this nation hangs by a thread.

PappyD61 on July 3, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I guess Murdoch was right when he said he’d like Romney to win but didn’t think he could because he was surrounded by a bunch of idiots! Ugh, why to I feel we are doomed, God help us! Please!!!

suzyque on July 3, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Dance, Romneybots, dance!

SurferDoc on July 3, 2012 at 8:59 AM

…I’m lovin’ it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pragmatic on July 3, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Thanks for the HUGE gift!

Romney camp – “Health mandate is NOT a tax!”

This is what you get when you are running the original author of Obamacare – he has to run against himself.

inthemiddle on July 3, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Joel Pollack has it right. Anyway, don’t let voters forget that there are 21 new taxes in Obamacare and the mandate is only one of them. Even if you don’t beleive the mandarte is a tax, there are still 20 new taxes there. And of course, there are so many other reasons to hammer Obamacare besides the tax issue anyway.

eyedoc on July 3, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Mr. Fehrnstrom needs to be defenestrated, pronto.

chazmaz on July 3, 2012 at 9:22 AM

The SCOTUS said it’s a tax. Obama’s SG said it’s a tax. It’s actually moot what anyone else says. It’s going to be pretty funny watching Bammy try to argue it’s not a tax when the SCOTUS said the mandate is a tax, and Obama’s own lawyers argued that it was a tax.

eyedoc on July 3, 2012 at 9:23 AM

We want Fehnstrom We want Fehnstrom

don’t muzzle Fehnstrom.

Speak Fehnstrom speak.

renalin on July 3, 2012 at 9:26 AM

If worse comes to worst, he can always claim that Massachusetts residents love to pay taxes — which isn’t strictly true…

Yeah, but I’m pretty sure it is, though…

thirtyandseven on July 3, 2012 at 9:26 AM

So, I looked this guy up and he’s apparently earned his place at the table and is loyal but he has absolutely no business being a spokesman for anything. Who would be so unwise as to send him to Obama’s talking heads to be put through the sophist wringer? THAT was stupid.

He has a place but it’s not on TV.

See: http://thephoenix.com/boston/news/55461-mitts-pit-bull/?page=1#TOPCONTENT

Portia46 on July 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Thanks for the HUGE gift!

Romney camp – “Health mandate is NOT a tax!”

This is what you get when you are running the original author of Obamacare – he has to run against himself.

inthemiddle on July 3, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Sadly this may very well be true. What if Fehnstrom really IS speaking for the Romney campaign? What if this is Mitt’s real position on the matter? With all the flip-flopping he’s done, we may never really know, but I don’t think it’s unfair at all to say that Romney will end up running against himself. Obama has years worth of ready-made soundbites he can use against Romney.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Who would be so unwise as to send him to Obama’s talking heads to be put through the sophist wringer? THAT was stupid.

Portia46 on July 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM

“Master Politician” Willard Milton Romney, apparently.

gryphon202 on July 3, 2012 at 9:30 AM

But there’s about 600 billion in new taxes, 21 of them, that have been in the bill all along. People need to be aware of this.

TarheelBen on July 3, 2012 at 12:40 AM

I could have been more clear – I don’t disagree with you about this, I meant that I believe we should do both i.e. multitask! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on July 3, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Googly Eyed Gary Johnson. Face palm. I am a New Mexican. Was here for the whole thing. The reason he won is that he was facing an old man that could put only slightly less coherent sentences together than Johnson did. Duelling Doofuses.

The reason he could veto so much, is he had enough R votes in the legislature to get away with it. If you don’t have enough R in the house or the senate, there is nothing you can do here.

You really want all of America looking into Big J Enterprises and Gary Johnson’s love life?

Why is it that Libertarians always have to co-opt Republican attention as though we would vote for Paul or Johnson. You are wasting your time. You’ll get more votes by switching over to Huntington post and hi-jacking threads there. You share more of your ideas and ideals with democrats. You are here only to do your duty for Obama of syphoning of what few votes you can.

oldroy on July 3, 2012 at 9:37 AM

It doesn’t matter…even if he didn’t agree. They get the ruling…send out some polls they make up and it is game over. It happens over and over on these issue. People are just too busy to care as they should…or think they are. This is the “Just leave me alone” decade.

tomas on July 3, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Republicans are allowing the liberals to frame the argument yet again. Romney’s message should be that it’s going to be money out of the pockets of middle class Americans. It doesn’t matter how you label it.

cajunpatriot on July 3, 2012 at 9:47 AM

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