Romney advisor: You’re right, the ObamaCare mandate isn’t a tax

posted at 9:54 pm on July 2, 2012 by Allahpundit

When you nominate the man responsible for RomneyCare, don’t be surprised if his team’s reluctant to embrace Roberts’s argument that a mandate is a tax. Even if everyone else in the party has spent the past five days happily rubbing The One’s face in it.

Over at Breitbart.com, Joel Pollak urges Romney to get it together:

Fehrnstrom allowed Chuck Todd to push him off message–and re-ignited the fears that conservatives have long had about Romney’s will and ability to fight. In response, conservatives–who had just coalesced around opposition to what many now call “Obamatax”–exhort: Mitt, start fighting, or give up and let someone else do it.

Fehrnstrom’s point–in defense of Romneycare–was that the Supreme Court was wrong to uphold Obamacare under the taxing power. The individual mandate was never intended to be a tax, Congress never called it a tax, and it wasn’t a tax in Massachusetts, either. Fine–but now that Obama’s lawyers went to court and called it a tax, and Chief Justice John Roberts called it a tax (and spare us the non-distinction between “tax” and the “taxing power”) Obamacare is, undeniably, a massive tax on the middle class. Obama lied. It’s that simple.

The GOP primary is over, and this is not a mistake that Fehrnstrom can merely shake away. It’s going to be used–and already is being used–by the Obama campaign to save itself from the tax argument, and to label Romney as a liar (when that label belongs squarely on Obama, who campaigned against Hillary Clinton’s individual mandate in 2008).

Tom Maguire says Fehrnstrom should have fallen back on the federalism argument that Romney’s used in the past to distinguish a state program like RomneyCare from an unconstitutional federal power grab like ObamaCare. Would that still work, though? Now that the Court’s upheld O’s signature boondoggle, the “RomneyCare = legal, ObamaCare = illegal” defense doesn’t really fly. I’m not sure that it ever really did: The reason RomneyCare’s such a liability for Mitt isn’t because it’s constitutionally questionable but because it’s a hair-raising government expansion that ended up blazing a trail for O-Care. To me, Romney’s federalism indictment of ObamaCare always smacked of him saying to voters, “Don’t worry! Legally, as president, I couldn’t impose my Massachusetts plan on you even if I wanted to.” Um, great.

I think that argument’s even weaker when it comes to taxes just because alarms start going off in people’s heads at the mention of the word. Hard to think of federalism niceties when you’re focused on more money potentially being sucked out of your pocket. That said, though, Pollak’s right: I think you have to hit O on the “tax” charge even if Romney’s a terribly flawed messenger for it. It’s viscerally effective and you can count on most low-information voters not to know or learn that Romney had a little tax-penalty-mandate of his own in Massachusetts. If worse comes to worst, he can always claim that Massachusetts residents love to pay taxes — which isn’t strictly true, but is true enough that they keep electing Democrats — and that most Americans don’t, and he’ll govern accordingly. Unlike The One.

Two clips for you, one of advisor Eric Fehrnstrom and the other via NRO of Krauthammer urging Romney to be just as hypocritical about this as Obama and Democrats are. Exit quotation via Mitt spokeswoman Andrea Saul: “The federal individual mandate in Obamacare is either a constitutional tax or an unconstitutional penalty. Governor Romney thinks it is an unconstitutional penalty. What is President Obama’s position?”


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What a dick..

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Retract the dick…

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Nevermind..
full steam ahead..

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Oh wait…

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I reverse my last decision..

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM

THis is getting old..:)

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM

But….still….

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM

This just proves that Romney is a terrible candidate with an even worse campaign team. Seems to me they really don’t want to win all that badly, which reminds me of the futile McCain campaign.

gumbyandpokey on July 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM

In my shop, he’d cleaning out his desk an hour ago.

CPT. Charles on July 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM

*head bang*

annoyinglittletwerp on July 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM

AP is getting pissed at me..
I am sure…:)

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Oy…

Moose Drool on July 2, 2012 at 10:00 PM

This guy needs to go. This is twice now he’s handed the left a club to beat Romney with.

jawkneemusic on July 2, 2012 at 10:00 PM

You do realize that if Romney is elected saying its a penalty, he then is under no obligation to enforce it. If however he calls it a tax, and tells the IRS to ignore it, then he is an imperial president legislating through EO’s (no matter how much Barry did it).

Zaggs on July 2, 2012 at 10:00 PM

In my shop, he’d cleaning out his desk an hour ago.

CPT. Charles on July 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Dang straight..

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Isn’t this guy the gift that keeps on giving?

Don’t you love jumping from a plane into the Obama fire pit or using the Romney parachute that will still land you close enough to feel a warm sensation on your ass?

arnold ziffel on July 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM

And crap like this just reinforces my belief that my voting for the Constitution Party this Nov is the right call. Romney is not going to beat Obama. How can they not want to use the most effective attack possible?

gumbyandpokey on July 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM

This is more bizarre and depressing than the BronyCon chaps.

Later, y’all. I can’t take any more today.

Cody1991 on July 2, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Tax. Penalty. Boondoggle. Whatever. The important question is, why is anyone from the Romney camp on MSNBC? They’ll not convince one viewer to vote for them, an only end up having to spend the entire interview on the defensive.

Is this the Schmidt/Wallace campaign formula all over again?

BKeyser on July 2, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Romney has got to get rid of Mr. Etch-a-Sketch. I was one of the guys supporting Romney in the primaries and will still gladly support him. However, after the GOP was trying to make lemonade out of the lemons handed to us by Justice Roberts, all we need is this guy saying it’s not a tax. Either it’s unconstitutional or it’s a tax and Eric, the Supreme Court said it was constitutional.

jimp.smith on July 2, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Why should the GOP or the Romney campaign go on MSNBC, a network nobody watches and is hostile to your cause?

bayview on July 2, 2012 at 10:04 PM

And crap like this just reinforces my belief that my voting for the Constitution Party this Nov is the right call. Romney is not going to beat Obama. How can they not want to use the most effective attack possible?

gumbyandpokey on July 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM

How many Americans are seeing the Constitution Party political commercials while popping popcorn during commercials of watching American Idol… ?

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 10:04 PM

And Barackabama was born in Hawaii, isn’t a muslim, and is a nice guy.

SouthernGent on July 2, 2012 at 10:05 PM

If Romney says this is not a tax, Romney loses. What a clusterfark.

JustTruth101 on July 2, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Mitt’s team was only good at beating up on Palin.

tinkerthinker on July 2, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Why should the GOP or the Romney campaign go on MSNBC, a network nobody watches and is hostile to your cause?

bayview on July 2, 2012 at 10:04 PM

To get you hostile?

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 10:05 PM

And crap like this just reinforces my belief that my voting for the Constitution Party this Nov is the right call. Romney is not going to beat Obama. How can they not want to use the most effective attack possible?
gumbyandpokey on July 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM

You have a better chance of winning the lotto then your constipation party candidate has at taking the white house.

Good luck with that.

jawkneemusic on July 2, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Murdoch was right. Romney’s surrounded by intellectual midgets

LtGenRob on July 2, 2012 at 10:06 PM

And Barackabama was born in Hawaii, isn’t a muslim, and is a nice guy.

SouthernGent on July 2, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I’ve heard that too..

The nice guy angle…that is..

I am skeptical…

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 10:07 PM

First Norm Coleman says they won’t repeal the whole thing, and now this guy. Keep it up and we have McCain 2.0

Wethal on July 2, 2012 at 10:07 PM

This guy needs to go. This is twice now he’s handed the left a club to beat Romney with.

jawkneemusic on July 2, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Agreed. I actually think the Romney campaign overall is doing a good job, but this Fehrnstrom guy is a walking gaffe machine. Just get him off TV. Maybe he’s competent behind the scenes, but if that’s the case, keep him there.

Doughboy on July 2, 2012 at 10:08 PM

First Norm Coleman says they won’t repeal the whole thing, and now this guy. Keep it up and we have McCain 2.0
Wethal on July 2, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Norm Coleman?

jawkneemusic on July 2, 2012 at 10:08 PM

The penalty is NOT a tax. It never was a tax. Roberts created a whole new classification to call it a tax.

And if anyone thinks that the greatest argument against the monstrosity of ObamaCare and the individual mandate is that “it’s a tax”, then they’re a friggin idiot.

ObamaCare is an affront to America and an offense to individual liberty. It is offensive in every single way. The mandate is offensive in that the feral government is forcing individuals to buy preferred products from the government store and we are penalized if we don’t.

Just because some idiots on the right think that calling the penalty a “tax” (which it isn’t and just the idea that one can tax inactivity is the most offensive thing of all) is going to score some points iwth the public that wouldn’t be there if they just went after the gargantuan offense to America that the whole criminal process and law is, then I don’t even know what to say.

This Mr. Etch-A-Sketch idiot should have been dumped by Mittens long ago. He’s a moron and a retard. He can’t defend anything conservative. But he happens to be correct in this one instance. Of course, that doesn’t matter because he can’t attack the real problems with ObamaCare or Benedict Roberts’ stabbing of America in the face because he isn’t oriented to do that and is too stupid to know how if he even wanted to.

But if any of you think that calling the penalty a “tax” and accepting the new “Roberts Tax For Not Buying What We Tell You To Buy”, then you will have thrown everything away for some idiotic minor gain – and you’ll soon find that that gain will disappear into the aether before long, anyway. America is being attacked on all sides and people want to hit a gotcha and accept the idea that that feral government can tax us for not buying the sh!t they determine we have to buy. Great … If that’s the most offensive thing you can identify about ObamaCare then you are a sad thinker and have little feel for what is being trashed in all this.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Clearly the rapid-response ground team is not the high-level advisory team. And the entire campaign’s going to suffer from the rot at the head.

It’s time for Mitt to ditch Fehrnstrom. Sure, he’ll probably win high accolades from the left and become an MSNBC pundit for a while, but that’s an acceptable loss.

His last critical mistake made him a laughingstock and had Gingrich and Santorum mocking him with children’s toys. This one may have destroyed Romney’s best line of attack against Obama. I pray we never find out just what happens with strike three.

KingGold on July 2, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Message discipline, stay away from NBC, put this guy in solitary for a couple of weeks.

slickwillie2001 on July 2, 2012 at 10:09 PM

If you call it a tax or a mandate or a hot and steamy pile of poop that’s been dumped smack dab in the middle of your lap, you’d be right on all counts. Repeal the da mn thing.

Doug Piranha on July 2, 2012 at 10:09 PM

but if that’s the case, keep him there.

Doughboy on July 2, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Where we are today..

Don’t take a chance.

We don’t need another Robert..

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

This guy needs to go ASAP

This is a double facepalm moment if there ever was one.

gophergirl on July 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

We probably should focus on retaining the House, gaining a majority in the Senate and capture as many high level State offices as is possible. Romney can be left alone to have fun with his friends trying to put together a coherent campaign. He tried this before, I think so he should likely be better at this the second time around. If you’re running for President in the USA and you can’t beat a Marxist you’re probably the wrong guy to represent the Republican Party.

DaveDief on July 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

It’s not about Fehrnstrom. It wasn’t a “gaffe.” They cannot run on calling it a tax because there’s too much tape of him saying the opposite.

They’re burying this “news” right before July 4th. Nobody will care about this two weeks from now.

Do any of you have any political chops or do you just “react” not thinking?

AYNBLAND on July 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Hm. According to Roberts ruling, if you don’t call it a tax when it’s a fed program then you are pushing something unconstitutional down American’s throats.

Pick your poison and stick to it.

Wolfmoon on July 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Sometimes the Romney campaign is really tin-eared.

jaime on July 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Fire that clod, Mitt.

Jindal on Greta now on Obamacare.

Philly on July 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

The Label – ‘The Party of Stupid’ is being overly generous at this juncture.

Afterseven on July 2, 2012 at 10:11 PM

I think you have to hit O on the “tax” charge even if Romney’s a terribly flawed messenger for it. It’s viscerally effective and you can count on most low-information voters not to know or learn that Romney had a little tax-penalty-mandate of his own in Massachusetts. If worse comes to worst, YOU HAVE ROMNEY COME CLEAN, ADMIT IT WAS A BAD IDEA, EVEN IN TAXACHUSETTS AND EMPHATICALLY VOW TO REPEAL IT BECAUSE NOW WE ALL KNOW THE EVILS OF IT ON A NATIONAL SCALE YADA, YADA, YADA….

Tim Zank on July 2, 2012 at 10:11 PM

bear in mind that Chuck todd doesn’t want the truth. He a Tom Harkin operative from the early 90s

barry/todd may think they got romney..but actually that’s an intelligent thing to say. Romney agrees with the dissent. It is not a tax, and it IS unconstitional.

barry did a clusterfark on the country….a tax is either an excise tax (like on your phone bill), and income tax or some sort of proportional tax.

this c.f. fits no where…so remember the stuttering cluster.f that we call him…that’s for a reason.

and Todd is an old harkin boy (you know harkin…the guy all dressed up for Christmas to give the free health care goodies to the peasants)

r keller on July 2, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Obama lied. It’s that simple.

See, here’s the thing.

I hate Obama.

I hate this ruling.

And in my mind, the fact that Obama said it isn’t a tax, while Roberts said it is, doesn’t mean “Obama lied”.

If Obama says he’s not a jackass, and I say he is – that doesn’t mean he lied, it means we disagree.

The “Obama lied” in this whole thing to me seems quite stupid and childish, actually. I mean, he is a big fat liar, but that was the case before the SC ruling – nothing the SC said makes it so as though it wasn’t so before.

Midas on July 2, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Fire this clod!

PA Guy on July 2, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Krauthammer is so right just be the hypocrite and be done w/ it. the tax hit is better for the party as a whole then any damage he will take being called a hypocrite.

Fehrnstrom should have told Mitt he was going to take a little jab that will be forgotten about but we have to call it a tax for the party.

To late now. IMO have to cross our fingers and hope he has a plan by convention time. The chance to sell our HC plan window is all but shut.

boogaleesnots on July 2, 2012 at 10:12 PM

AYNBLAND on July 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

How many times does a top-level advisor get to become the story before they’re a liability to the campaign and the candidate?

Six? Seven? Ten?

If this isn’t about Fehrnstrom, why the hell is everybody talking about him and why is this clip of him all over the internet?

KingGold on July 2, 2012 at 10:12 PM

This is not the first time Fehrstrom screwed up the message. He is starting to look like a gaffe machine. This would have been a perfect opportunity for Romney to stand tall, make an clear, decisive message, and cut him loose. Instead he comes out with typical “split the baby” BS. Come on, Mitt, grow a set of Chris Christies.

entropent on July 2, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I think you have to hit O on the “tax” charge even if Romney’s a terribly flawed messenger for it. It’s viscerally effective and you can count on most low-information voters not to know or learn that Romney had a little tax-penalty-mandate of his own in Massachusetts

This is exactly what I e-mailed them today. The only way they are going to win on the obamacare argument is on the tax issue.

They don’t realize that we don’t care what Romneycare was called, tax or penalty, we just want obamacare repealed!!!!!

Barred on July 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Hm. According to Roberts ruling, if you don’t call it a tax when it’s a fed program then you are pushing something unconstitutional down American’s throats.

Bendict Roberts trashed the Constitution and made a mockery of logical argument. His opinion about what is logically Constitutional or not is worthless. No one can make any predictions about the future musings of such a madman. And his argument for or against Constitutionality would get him thrown out of a elementary logic course.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM

The individual mandate was never intended to be a tax

That does NOT matter. It does not matter what the intent was. What matters is how it ACTUALLY works.

Congress never called it a tax

That is also beside the point. That also DOES NOT MATTER. It doesn’t matter if they called it a cupcake.

it wasn’t a tax in Massachusetts, either

And Dorothy’s dog wasn’t really named Toto either. So what. That doesn’t matter either.

Fine–but now that Obama’s lawyers went to court and called it a tax, and Chief Justice John Roberts called it a tax

Yep, because that is EXACTLY what it is. Congress and the President were VERY careful not to call it a tax because it would never pass but what they created is actually a tax. The amount of the penalty is figured on form 1040, your tax return. It is a TAX PENALTY. Anyone who says otherwise is wishcasting.

BUT, we also need to rub their nose in the fact that it is a tax, the largest middle class tax cut in history and make them own that on election day.

The Administration started calling it a tax in 2010, not just this year before the supreme court.

MAKE THEM OWN IT.

crosspatch on July 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Rupert Murdoch was right. Lose your pals; hire piranhas.

Philly on July 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM

So Mitt thinks Obamacare is not a tax or at least his aides and those advising him think so and may have just sabotage a hugh opportunity to nail this thing completely to Obama come this election in front of the american people…..dumb, dumb,dumb

journeymike on July 2, 2012 at 10:15 PM

“largest middle class tax cut ” Obviously meant “hike”

crosspatch on July 2, 2012 at 10:15 PM

for the Trillionth time:

I NEED A DRINK. AND I DON’T EVEN DRINK.
I NEED DRUGS. AND I DON’T DO DRUGS.
HARD DRUGS. VERY, VERY, VERY, MIND NUMBING DRUGS. PRONTO!

GhoulAid on July 2, 2012 at 10:15 PM

First Norm Coleman says they won’t repeal the whole thing, and now this guy. Keep it up and we have McCain 2.0

Wethal on July 2, 2012 at 10:07 PM

I thought I saw a link about Mitch McConnel saying it would be difficult (though I’m surprised as hell not to see it here at HA yet – wake the f@#$ up, guys).

Been saying for days now – the GOP is *not* going to repeal this, but by all means, continue to delude yourselves.

Midas on July 2, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Here is a 2008 QUOTE from Barack Obama!

‘Having a Mandate to Buy Health Insurance is Like Forcing the Homeless to Buy Houses.’

Stolen from R.G…. LOL

upinak on July 2, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Hey Tea Party /Limited government types out there…….how ya like Progressive Big Gov lovers running both parties?

This is what we should be asking.

Because I’ve said it before…….and so has Mitt…..he’s a Progressive.

And truthfully Boehner and all the “Career public servant politicians” are BIG GOV lovers at a minimum, and probably fine with Liberty killing Progressives running the show.

God help us.

PappyD61 on July 2, 2012 at 10:16 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I can’t disagree with anything you wrote. However, this is politics. I would prefer that Obama’s team be stuck trying to explain the legislation describing the mandate as a penalty and the Soliciter General arguing in front of the Supreme Court that it must be considered a tax. I have no interest in seeing Romney’s team making it comfortable for Obama.

DaveDief on July 2, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Fehrnstrom is precisely why God created ball gags.

TXUS on July 2, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Not sure how many of the comments above (other than one) are serious.

Taxes are, according to MOST people, something you pay when you consume/do something; not when you don’t consume/do something. So, it’s not a tax (haven’t read the Decision yet). Moreover, if Obamacare is a tax, then Romneycare is a tax–even if Romney vetoed part of the “penalty/tax” that came into existence in MA.

To make matters even less bright-line:

–if everyone’s taxes go up, but a tax credit is offered for getting insurance, that’s a tax, but if everyone’s taxes stay the same, except for those who don’t get insurance, that’s also a tax?

ParisParamus on July 2, 2012 at 10:18 PM

MAKE THEM OWN IT.

crosspatch on July 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM

History is written..

It was given to the Senate…the shell bill…as a tax bill from the House..

ObamaTax was and is a Tax…
Never changed..

Now lets remove the blinders of the 2 million that are exempt from O’Tax.. (waivers)

STAT!

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I find it funny that any one would expect anything different from the same team who in 2008 came up with the McCain commercial praising ObamaTax.(Sorry, but I have become allergic to writing or saying Obama without it being followed with Tax. The reactions have become physical. I will have to beg your indulgence until a hypo-allergenic can be invented to stop the severe reactions to ObamaTax :0)

Seriously, there is no point in fighting the Repub establishment on their failed tactics. All you can do, is to know in your hearts what is best for this country and not let a bunch of Rinos or liberals from either party distract you from what needs to be done, Fight like your life depends on it, it probably does. Fight to the bitter end, to the last bullet, to the last soul. There is no quit in defending the greatest country in the history of the world, and if I can say at the gates of heaven that I died trying to defend America and Freedom, then I’ll die a happy man.

God Bless America

paratisi on July 2, 2012 at 10:19 PM

And duct tape.

TXUS on July 2, 2012 at 10:19 PM

This guy needs to go. This is twice now he’s handed the left a club to beat Romney with.

jawkneemusic on July 2, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Agree. Mitt needs to find people who will stay on message and not be so dumb as to fall into these word wars. You do that and you can end up looking like a Fehrnstrom.

Mirimichi on July 2, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Midas on July 2, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Did you read the rest of article where he says if they have the votes – they will repeal.

gophergirl on July 2, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Credibility: hard to earn, easy to lose.
-
Mitt, Fehrnstrom needs to go. Now is the time to reinforce your claim that you are “severely conservative”. If Ferhstrom does this again, you will not get another chance to recover.

diogenes on July 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Fehrnstrom is precisely why God created ball gags.

TXUS on July 2, 2012 at 10:17 PM

LOL!!!!!

gophergirl on July 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Philly on July 2, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I saw. Spawn rolled his eyes @ me and accused me of acting like a teenage girl. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on July 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Romney doesn’t want to call it a tax because then he is saying that he raised taxes when he was governor and he doesn’t want to say that. He’s stuck there.

Mark1971 on July 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Maybe it is an issue of selective highlight. The Romney campaign amy have decided it is better to label the mandate unconstitutional. Both Fehnstrom and,subsequently the spokesman, point to that:(The federal individual mandate in Obamacare is either a constitutional tax or an unconstitutional penalty. Governor Romney thinks it is an unconstitutional penalty.) By agreeing with the minority dissent of the Court, Romney is sticking to the appeal to the voters to vote Barry and the Dems out in November, so ObamaCare can be repealed.

bayview on July 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I said an hour after the ruling that the public polls with ObamaCare were going to split 50/50 and the Republicans would start saying they’re going to save this and that and Romney’s people would have both feet in their mouths.

MSNBC has been playing this clip every 30 minutes and will all week.

Marcus on July 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Whatever the variables are in the two bills, I find two differences that are meaningful:

1. States rights vs. federal over reach.
2. The people in Massachusetts wanted the program.
The majority of Americans do not.

Amjean on July 2, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Whatever the variables are in the two bills, I find two differences that are meaningful:

1. States rights vs. federal over reach.
2. The people in Massachusetts wanted the program.
The majority of Americans do not.

Amjean on July 2, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Yep – they need to play on those.

gophergirl on July 2, 2012 at 10:25 PM

This is why I wanted Santorum. Sigh. Well we will have to drag his rear across the finish line, put a pen in his hand and make his life unquiet until he signs the repeal of ObamaCare.

txmomof6 on July 2, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Did you read the rest of article where he says if they have the votes – they will repeal.

gophergirl on July 2, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Oh, he said that? Did anyone thank ‘Captain Obvious’ for that insight?

That’s nothing but the first step in the major ‘manage your expectations’ process that results in “sorry, can’t repeal it, don’t have enough votes / timing isn’t right / whatever.”

Midas on July 2, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Why should the GOP or the Romney campaign go on MSNBC, a network nobody watches and is hostile to your cause?

bayview on July 2, 2012 at 10:04 PM

People like Etch-A-Sketch still think that ABCNNBCBS are still relevant and hold the proverbial private parts on the national debate. And will cower down to them at any notice because they think that most of us take them seriously.

News flash… you’re wasting time.

Myron Falwell on July 2, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Fehrnstrom is not a good speaker. I cannot recall one instance where he sold me on any point.

He’s approaching Steve Schmidt level of incompetence.

Why the F is he talking to MSNBC, is beyond me.

Exit quotation via Mitt spokeswoman Andrea Saul: “The federal individual mandate in Obamacare is either a constitutional tax or an unconstitutional penalty. Governor Romney thinks it is an unconstitutional penalty. What is President Obama’s position?”

100% correct. My point since the ruling, and is all that needs to be asked. If you can’t phrase it this succinctly, stay off TV.

budfox on July 2, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Fehrnstrom is entering Schmidt territory. And no Republican or anyone in the Romney camp should appear on MSNBC. It just legitimizes the network and you run risk of walking into a soundbite trap for Obama.

midgeorgian on July 2, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Dear Gov. Romney:

If Chief Justice Roberts says that the ObamaCare “penalty” is a tax, it’s a tax, and you can hammer Obama for raising taxes on 4 million people from now till November.

And who needs Fehrnstrom anyway? He’ll never be President, but if you ditch him, you might be.

The wheels on the bus go round and round…

Steve Z on July 2, 2012 at 10:28 PM

DaveDief on July 2, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I hear you and I want to hit this whole terrible situation in the hardest way possible, but I cannot condone lending any credence to the idea that the feral government can now tax inactivity and force people to buy whatever the feral government decides. I also don’t like the idea that people are lending credence to that irrational trash that Benedict Roberts wrote by arguing that he had some point in his arguments about Constitutionality. He didn’t. He chewed the pooch from beginning to end. As to calling things taxes, I was always dismayed that we never saw any push like this while the Dog-Eater was giving out welfare checks through the IRS and claiming that he was “lowering taxes”. There were a few grumbles here and there, but by and large the GOP let that one slide right by. They seem to only pick the fights that insure us a major loss, no matter how they go. I also don’t hear any opposition to Roe v. Wade starting out with the idea that abortion is about privacy. Those who oppose Roe don’t even bother addressing that idiotic reasoning, which was the basis of the opinion.

Mittens messed this up by coming out in his first response and treating this decision as if it was just another one out of the SCOTASS instead of the America-destroying irrational mess that it clearly is. This is a fatal decision that, if allowed to stand and if any part of it is accepted, will be it. Nothing can recover from that.

Either Mittens gets his head on straight and talks nothing but straight, one-page repeal of this criminal and un-American law (and calls it criminal and un-American) and attacks Benedict Roberts in the way he single-handedly did more damage to America than the idiot left has been able to over the past many decades – though the Indonesian Dog-Eating Retard has done the most damage … sealed by Benedict Roberts and his insane opinion.

The attack necessary for this is not about the tax or no tax issue. It’s about America and the massive damage that was just done by the most outrageous judicial opinion in American history … and the last one, so far as I’m concerned, as an America that allows the feral government to force us to purchase whatever it wants and fines us for not doing it is NOT AMERICA – we are the American Socialist Superstate, now.

The correct approach here is not a directed attack on Barky with Roberts’ idiotic tax decree, but an attack on all of them for everything they’re doing, all of which is as un-American and un-Constitutional as it gets.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2012 at 10:29 PM

btw, if you want to look into one ascpect of the mind of a leftist, take a look at this

these are the subsidy tables, by age and income

notice the huge impact on the $$$$$$ people pay as they go from 400 to 425 percent of the p.l. when you add the FICA/INcome tax plus the premium payment….in many cases you will have a Marginal Effective tax rate of 100++ percent.

that’s seriously stupid s***

now look at the ‘premium’ after subsidy…it remains constant across age…direct transfer from young to old

and, of course, then look at the percent that people pay after subsidy…that gets way small as you get to 60

http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx#incomeAgeTables

now this all is for Silver coverage…which only pays 70 percent of your bill

our lefty trolls are going to be real surprised…Also, run a few simulations thru the calculator.

if any of these premiums are remotely correct, most businesses in the country will pay the fine, and throw their people into this system

which is what barry/letist have been Dreaming of for decades

r keller on July 2, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Camp Romney needs to make Fehrnstrom watch a movie tonight.

profitsbeard on July 2, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Did you read the rest of article where he says if they have the votes – they will repeal.

gophergirl on July 2, 2012 at 10:20 PM

To finish the thought (sorry), yes, I read it – and laughed out loud as I did. It’s almost as though we’ve seen this movie before, isn’t it?

Yes. Yes it is.

Midas on July 2, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Concentrate on House and Senate races and if you must give money find a PAC that will focus on defeating ObamaCare

txmomof6 on July 2, 2012 at 10:30 PM

THis is getting old..:)

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM

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Yup… But since it’s a leap forward in over-reaching BIG.gov don’t drop it. I don’t care if they call it a penalty tax… or a tip to the doorman. Repeal it. And then figure a way to erase the precedent that the ruling sets.
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RalphyBoy on July 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Romney doesn’t want to call it a tax because then he is saying that he raised taxes when he was governor and he doesn’t want to say that. He’s stuck there.

Mark1971 on July 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

True, but the point he needs to make is he didn’t con the people of Mass. They knew what RomneyCare was, and it wasn’t passed in a shell game.

budfox on July 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM

This is why I wanted Santorum. Sigh. Well we will have to drag his rear across the finish line, put a pen in his hand and make his life unquiet until he signs the repeal of ObamaCare.

txmomof6 on July 2, 2012 at 10:26 PM

You think Santorum would be immune from this kind of thing?

I certainly don’t. Ask Herman Cain if conservatives don’t have jackass self-aggrandizing advisers who shoot their campaigns in the foot.

KingGold on July 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Romney was given the football on the 10 yard line with 90 yards of green grass for an easy touchdown. Instead, he runs backwards into the opposing end zone for a safety. Sorry, lets make repealing obamatax harder by putting the senate filibuster back in play. God help us!!! Romney, can you NOT be anymore transparent?

jjnco73 on July 2, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Romney doesn’t want to call it a tax because then he is saying that he raised taxes when he was governor and he doesn’t want to say that. He’s stuck there.

Mark1971 on July 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Then he needs to be humble enough to admit he raised taxes, say it was a mistake and he would never do it in a recession and move on.

txmomof6 on July 2, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Did Eric Fehrnstrom steal Ashleigh Banfield’s glasses?

Mark1971 on July 2, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Exit quotation via Mitt spokeswoman Andrea Saul: “The federal individual mandate in Obamacare is either a constitutional tax or an unconstitutional penalty.

That is just totally and completely wrong. The individual mandate is un-Constitutional NO MATTER WHAT.

This is the big mistake that Mittens is making. THe Benedict Roberts opinion is sheer idiocy. It means nothing, logically speaking. It should not be used as some ridiculous measure of what would be Constitutional, since it is an insane opinion.

ObamaCare and its un-American individual mandate from the feral government is UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, no matter what you call it. That is the point. Benedict Roberts is an idiot who shouldn’t be sitting on any bench, other than a park bench. That is the point.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Fehrnstrom is precisely why God created ball gags.

TXUS on July 2, 2012 at 10:17 PM

LMFAO

David in ATL on July 2, 2012 at 10:34 PM

If they are this afraid of RomneyCare…well…? Roberts did not rule on RomneyCare…

d1carter on July 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Mittens, if you get to DC you will have some rather large house cleaning to do, entire departments to fire or eliminate, start now clean your own house and use the gusto you went after your fellow Republicans with or lose and lose the country as we knew it.

If its a tax it takes 51 Senate votes to repeal if its not a tax it takes 61?
And don’t count on all the Repunks to go your way. There may be some McCains, Grahamnastys, Murcowskis, Hatchs, Browns who want to make history and screw us into the ground a la Roberts!

ConcealedKerry on July 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

You think Santorum would be immune from this kind of thing?

I certainly don’t. Ask Herman Cain if conservatives don’t have jackass self-aggrandizing advisers who shoot their campaigns in the foot.

KingGold on July 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Not about the advisors. I like Santorum best because he was the strongest on getting rid of ObamaCare. Always was, but at the time of the primaries none of the party bigwigs thought it would be an issue. Kinda like 2008 when in the Spring everyone thought Iraq would be the issue so we went with McCain instead of Romney. Turned out in the summer the economy was the issue not Iraq. Shortsighted then, shortsighted now.

txmomof6 on July 2, 2012 at 10:36 PM

RalphyBoy on July 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM

My take too..

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM

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