New youth voters are feeling oddly less enthusiastic about Obama now than in 2008

posted at 4:01 pm on July 2, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

As a member of the recently-graduated demographic crowd, I can attest that I’ve got a fair number of friends — well-educated, hardworking friends — who are currently living at home with their parents. (Not that I think having a college degree entitles you to a job, and certainly no more or less than anyone else, but I do hear that back in the good ol’ days, there was a solid market for such qualifications.) They’re underemployed, they’re working part-time, they’re volunteering, or they don’t have jobs at all.

It’s frustrating, and I’m frustrated for them — and it can’t be any less frustrating for their parents, who are now diverting their financial resources away from savings and retirement and into supporting their adult children. It’s all one big hot mess, and as economic ramifications start to hit home more and more, it looks like the next generation of voters may be starting to realize it doesn’t have to be this way.

Polls show that Americans under 30 are still inclined to support Mr. Obama by a wide margin. But the president may face a particular challenge among voters ages 18 to 24. In that group, his lead over Mitt Romney — 12 points — is about half of what it is among 25- to 29-year-olds, according to an online survey this spring by the Harvard Institute of Politics.  And among whites in the younger group, Mr. Obama’s lead vanishes altogether.

Among all 18- to 29-year-olds, the poll found a high level of undecided voters; 30 percent indicated that they had not yet made up their mind. And turnout among this group is expected to be significantly lower than for older voters. …

Experts say the impact of the recession and the slow recovery should not be underestimated. The newest potential voters — some 17 million people — have been shaped more by harsh economic times in their formative years than by anything else…

For 18- and 19-year-olds, the unemployment rate as of May was 23.5 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. For those ages 20 to 24, the rate falls to 12.9 percent, compared with the national unemployment rate of 8.2 percent for all ages. …

Yikes. Years of economic-related setbacks aren’t going to do much to energize the youths to flock (and I do mean flock — you know, like sheep) to the polls to vote for the incumbent president, at least not to the record-smashing, game-changing degree that they turned up to vote for Obama in 2008. Living on your parents’ couch or being continually discouraged in a summer job search really helps to remove some of the luster from the once-enticing promises of Hopenchange.

And with Obama at the helm, it isn’t looking like there’s an end in sight — as Jim Pethokoukis summarizes, several of our already-anemic growth indicators are starting to slow up even more. The hits just keep on coming (unexpectedly, of course):

New data suggests the three-year economic expansion — as anemic as it has been — may be at an end, or is at least perilously close. The Institute for Supply Management’s factory index unexpectedly fell to 49.7 in June from 53.5 a month earlier. A reading of less than 50 signals contraction.

Not one of 70 economists interviewed by Bloomberg thought it would be below 50.5. …

But these numbers are just the latest in a long string of worrisome reports including rising initial unemployment claims, slowing job growth, falling consumer confidence, and declining durable goods orders. Oh, and the rest of the global economy is slowing, too.

 

 


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You mean the magic unicorn doesn’t spew gold and rainbows out of its arse?

Speakup on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

In honor of.Anderson coopers shocking revelation I’ll put it this way…

They don’t like the fact that Obama has tea bagged their chances of.enjoying liberty and prosperity.

tom daschle concerned on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

The yoots can’t be happy about this.

As one who graduated at the cusp of the recession / recovery under Reagan I Just hope that by the time my oldest graduates from college (5 years from now) we’ll be out of this mess.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Wait until they find out how much Obama hates them with his ObamaTax, the former Obama’care’.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

The job market sucks, we’re about to have another recession and ObamaCare is going to force them all to help pay for my insurance. What’s not to love!

Chuck Schick on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Polls show that Americans under 30 are still inclined to support Mr. Obama by a wide margin.

and may they suffer in the consequences…I have no empathy for those who are destined to repeat a disaster of which they now have a 4 yr track record…

hillsoftx on July 2, 2012 at 4:07 PM

The night before the election in 2008 I told a group of my son’s friends,

“If Obama is elected President. none of you will be able to find a high paying job for the next 10 years.”

This led to a discussion of Obama’s lack of experience, ignorance of the real world, make up of the Congressional delegations, etc.

For everyone seated at the table that night, this coming election is about one thing:

Jobs and an economic future with some hope for actually returning to what this country used to be.

PolAgnostic on July 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Alternate headline: “Obama kicking slightly less ass among young voters.” I am so disgusted with my generation.

TouchingTophet on July 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM

As one who graduated at the cusp of the recession / recovery under Reagan I Just hope that by the time my oldest graduates from college (5 years from now) we’ll be out of this mess.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Then you’d better hope that Gary Johnson wins.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Well let just hope these young will vote and vote for Mitt to help with the gosh horrible mess bho has put on the US in less than four years? I might suggest to the youn who are able to vote, think LONG and HARD on the two choices? You young like what has been going on since bho was elected? WELL then get off your hind ends and try to help YOU and OUR Republic! Simple as that?

BTW,the above goes for blacks and Latinos also! But if you want all the ‘free stuff’ bho will say you will get voting for him, think a tiny minute that is NO ONE is working YOU will not get squat from bho!
L

letget on July 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM

(HT Ed Driscol and James Poulos) The caption on the picture in the NYT article says it all….

apostic on July 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Polls show that Americans under 30 are still inclined to support Mr. Obama by a wide margin.

and may they suffer in the consequences…I have no empathy for those who are destined to repeat a disaster of which they now have a 4 yr track record…

hillsoftx on July 2, 2012 at 4:07 PM

.
The polls are wrong – just as wrong in this respect as in a wide variety of others.

PolAgnostic on July 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM

We can not live on Unicorn Pee alone.

Ragnar Danneskold on July 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

…Because four more years Democrat and Republican Hope and Change isn’t going to fix the mess they’ve both gotten us into, and continue to make worse.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM

No jobs for you, suckers.

Cicero43 on July 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM

they will still vote for him over mittens…..because mittens is boring and not ‘cool’ sad but true!
NOMITTNOBAMA 2012
JINDAL/WEST 2012 (cool and smart, too!)

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:13 PM

As one who graduated at the cusp of the recession / recovery under Reagan I Just hope that by the time my oldest graduates from college (5 years from now) we’ll be out of this mess.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Then you’d better hope that Gary Johnson wins.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM

super duper mega dittos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Here’s to the uber cool chick in my linguistics class who tried to fist bump me after he was elected: How you likin it now?

RDE2010 on July 2, 2012 at 4:14 PM

If Little Hansel and Gretel don’t wise up, they are doomed! Makes me proud I cast my first presidential vote for Reagan back in 1980.

maubman on July 2, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Polls show that Americans under 30 are still inclined to support Mr. Obama by a wide margin.
and may they suffer in the consequences…I have no empathy for those who are destined to repeat a disaster of which they now have a 4 yr track record…

hillsoftx on July 2, 2012 at 4:07 PM

and they won’t suffer the consequences if mittens is elected? not hardly! NOMITTNOBAMA 2012

JINDAL/WEST 2012

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:15 PM

“And with Obama at the helm, it isn’t looking like there’s an end in sight — …”

Erika…

… You are missing the bigger picture.

This is all by design…

… This took thought, planning, diversion, stealth, collusion, bribery, lies, written laws, regulations, and policy implementation.

Don’t forget to add the percentage of +$16 Trillion dollars of debt and rising everyone has to pay into the mix…

… and when they first voted for Obowma, they kicked this all into gear.

You should be happy…!

Seven Percent Solution on July 2, 2012 at 4:16 PM

OR Gary Johnson!

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:16 PM

“Free-riders!” – Botox

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 4:17 PM

and they won’t suffer the consequences if mittens is elected? not hardly! NOMITTNOBAMA 2012

JINDAL/WEST 2012

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Dumb.

Then you’d better hope that Gary Johnson wins.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Dumber.

OR Gary Johnson!

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Dumberer.

steebo77 on July 2, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Then you’d better hope that Gary Johnson wins.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Better buy a lottery ticket. Your chances of winning are way better than the chance of GJ taking the presidency.

iurockhead on July 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM

The Obama Administration,is Shovel Ready!!

canopfor on July 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Hope and Change…2008

Forward to Failure…2012!

canopfor on July 2, 2012 at 4:19 PM

New youth voters are feeling oddly less enthusiastic about Obama now than in 2008

The WH responds with increased marketing program for food stamps.

“So, you voted for me and now you don’t have a job…..have you ever heard of Food Stamps? Its a free money program from the government…”

BobMbx on July 2, 2012 at 4:20 PM

and they won’t suffer the consequences if mittens is elected? not hardly! NOMITTNOBAMA 2012

JINDAL/WEST 2012

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Grow up, dude.

Chuck Schick on July 2, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Among all 18- to 29-year-olds, the poll found a high level of undecided voters; 30 percent indicated that they had not yet made up their mind

…voters ages 18 to 24. In that group, his lead over Mitt Romney — 12 points —

well-educated, hardworking friends — who are currently living at home with their parents. They’re underemployed, they’re working part-time, they’re volunteering, or they don’t have jobs at all.

Yet they still give Obama a 12 point lead. Apparently, well educated doesn’t equal informed.

BacaDog on July 2, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Some people never learn. Gary Johnson will only hurt any chance of defeating Obama.

Don’t be that guy that votes third party. Not this time.

jazzmo on July 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM

The Democrat and Republican Parties think they can continue to borrow and print trillions and trillions of dollars we don’t have, digging the hole deeper and deeper with no intention of changing course, yet somehow things will get better on their own. Like somehow, if we wait long enough, all the corruption and profligacy that grows worse every day will stop mattering anymore and the economy will get better and everything will go back the way it was.

It’s a disease called Hope and Change and both parties have it.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Perhaps their stint with OWS wasn’t what they thought it would be.

Amjean on July 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Notes to Young People:
1) Elections have consequences
2) Politicians lie
3) BEFORE you vote, do some research
4) A persons past actions are a good indicator of future performance
5) NOTHING is “free”, someone PAID FOR IT!
6) Learn from your mistakes
7) The Main Stream Media has an agenda all it’s own
8) Theory is one thing, but REALITY can suck!
9) Mother Gaia doesn’t care if you live or die
10) If it’s too good to be true then it’s probably a scam

GarandFan on July 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Hope and Change…2008

Forward to Failure…2012!

canopfor on July 2, 2012 at 4:19 PM

From where you live…
You’ve got like… front row seats to see the sinking of America..
:)

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 4:26 PM

It’s a disease called Hope and Change and both parties have it.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM

You push for change within the party (see Tea Party). Third party is not a practical choice.

jazzmo on July 2, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Unfortunately, they will also learn the true meaning of “Double Dip Recession” as well. Their confusion comes from their lack of the official lib dictionary which states very clearly on page 325… “Hope and Change”= “Choke and Mange”.

They should also get it through their thick skulls that, this is what happens when you trust the Formerly main stream media.

God Bless America!

paratisi on July 2, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Why do you think it was called the “Reagan Revolution”? He transformed the GOP. That needs to be done again by the right person/people. Third party is the wrong way.

jazzmo on July 2, 2012 at 4:29 PM

The do nothing, racistist congress is sabatoging the first 1/2 black POTUS chances of re-election by not passing his budget 100-0 twice!

ConcealedKerry on July 2, 2012 at 4:30 PM

If young people meekly vote for the D and R parties that have been selling them out for years then their interests will continue to be ignored and forgotten. Young people only matter if they stand up for themselves and fight for their own interests, which are at odds with generational thieves who run the D and R parties that have been stealing their futures for decades to buy votes. Now the problem has grown so bad and has snowballed over time that the future prosperity and hopes of young people is in serious jeopardy. Young people need to vote for a reformer like Gary Johnson who will put a stop to the generational theft that both parties rely on to maintain their own power and privilege.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Could this be a new media thing? How much time is that age group spending (and have spent) in front of TV/Newspapers compared to the older age group.

Or is it just time for a rebellion??

earlgrey133 on July 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Hope and Change…2008

Forward to Failure…2012!

canopfor on July 2, 2012 at 4:19 PM

From where you live…
You’ve got like… front row seats to see the sinking of America..
:)

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Electrongod:

True dat,I wish,there was a different movie showing tho,
ahem,ugh–:)

canopfor on July 2, 2012 at 4:36 PM

and they won’t suffer the consequences if mittens is elected? not hardly! NOMITTNOBAMA 2012

JINDAL/WEST 2012

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Grow up, dude.

Chuck Schick on July 2, 2012 at 4:20 PM

…and you sir, should grow a spine….don’t be spoon-fed by the GOP establishment ….you shoulder part of the blame for ‘going along to get along’ with milquetoast mittens as the GOP nominee…obama and mittens are both unacceptable

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:36 PM

I hope they have the sense to ask themselves if they want to elect a President who understands how business works because he’s been in business, or a President who rigidly clings to a failed ideology because that’s all he’s ever known.

RebeccaH on July 2, 2012 at 4:36 PM

…and you sir, should grow a spine….don’t be spoon-fed by the GOP establishment ….you shoulder part of the blame for ‘going along to get along’ with milquetoast mittens as the GOP nominee…obama and mittens are both unacceptable

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:36 PM

You’re the one without a spine. You’re behind Jindal then literally one minute later you’re behind Johnson.

Chuck Schick on July 2, 2012 at 4:39 PM

The Shackles of the ZombieYouthObamaVoterBots are coming off,
the Great Youth Political Migration…..

………….has begun,….Hallelujah!!
(snark)

canopfor on July 2, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I sold everything I had and went to college a couple of years into Reagan’s first term. I got out in ’86 and it didn’t start booming down here again until about the time he left office.

The stock market is high because corporate debt is low. I have a hunch a lot of personal debt has been vanquished as well. Eagerness to grew wealth will return with confidence. I think we’re primed for recovery if we change policies for the long term but it will still take a few years to absorb the shock of Obama.

DanMan on July 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM

I still know a couple of unemployed and underemployed people in their late 20s who will vote for Barky because they are unable to make any connection between the SCOAMF and his economy.

Alas their parents seem quite happy to let them float around.

Time was when parents would say – SLING YOUR HOOK!

CorporatePiggy on July 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM

You’re the one without a spine. You’re behind Jindal then literally one minute later you’re behind Johnson.

Chuck Schick on July 2, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Wasn’t Palin at the top of his list forever as well?

Fickle that one.

Betenoire on July 2, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Polls show that Americans under 30 are still inclined to support Mr. Obama by a wide margin. But the president may face a particular challenge among voters ages 18 to 24. In that group, his lead over Mitt Romney — 12 points — is about half of what it is among 25- to 29-year-olds, according to an online survey this spring by the Harvard Institute of Politics. And among whites in the younger group, Mr. Obama’s lead vanishes altogether.

Today’s 25-to-29-year-olds were 21 to 25 in 2008, and got suckered into all the Hopenchange because McCain was so (ugh!) OLD and couldn’t write an Email. Today’s 18-to-24-year-olds were 14 to 20 in 2008. The older ones were in college in 2008, and would really rather have a job than be forced to buy health insurance. The younger ones didn’t vote in 2008, and are wondering what they will do when they graduate.

Steve Z on July 2, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Why do you think it was called the “Reagan Revolution”? He transformed the GOP. That needs to be done again by the right person/people. Third party is the wrong way.

jazzmo on July 2, 2012 at 4:29 PM

so the GOP choose Milquetoast Mittens at such a crucial time in America’s history as REAGAN II….utterly and completely laughable!!!

JINDAL/WEST or Gary Johnson 2012!

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:47 PM

For some reason I still remember seeing a girl power-type chat show on VH1 way back in 1992 – they thought it was SOOO KEWL that Clinton/Gore won! Unfortunately I never got to hear their later thoughts on one of their own young female peers being sexually preyed upon by the President. Cos y’know, like, sexual harassment is for Republican court nominees. And, like, y’know, if they did an act it isn’t really harassment any more.

The same ‘WOOOOOOO!’ mentality still accompanies many Obama voters although what passed for euphoria is now obviously psychosis.

jangle12 on July 2, 2012 at 4:47 PM

In honor of.Anderson coopers shocking revelation I’ll put it this way…

They don’t like the fact that Obama has tea bagged their chances of.enjoying liberty and prosperity.

tom daschle concerned on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Anderson’s proof that some people want to raise taxes because they like being screwed.

Speakup on July 2, 2012 at 4:47 PM

In the four years since President Obama swept into office in large part with the support of a vast army of young people, a new corps of men and women have come of voting age with views shaped largely by the recession. And unlike their counterparts in the millennial generation who showed high levels of enthusiasm for Mr. Obama at this point in 2008, the nation’s first-time voters are less enthusiastic about him, are significantly more likely to identify as conservative and cite a growing lack of faith in government in general, according to interviews, experts and recent polls.

Flora Duh on July 2, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Turns out a BA in Ancient Angry Asian Lesbians doesn’t qualify you for much in the 0bama-economy…other than food stamps.

jukin3 on July 2, 2012 at 4:50 PM

You push for change within the party (see Tea Party). Third party is not a practical choice.

jazzmo on July 2, 2012 at 4:26 PM

There has been no real change within the party. They’re still generational thieves that borrow, print and spend money to buy votes and pay off their cronies, bankrupting the future of younger Americans with nothing to bailout and preserve the corrupt elite.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:50 PM

You’re the one without a spine. You’re behind Jindal then literally one minute later you’re behind Johnson.

Chuck Schick on July 2, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Wasn’t Palin at the top of his list forever as well?

Fickle that one.

Betenoire on July 2, 2012 at 4:43 PM

not so fast…..IF the GOP wakes up and nominates Jindal and then Jindal chooses West, I’m all in…..however, if (which I assume will be the case) they stick with Milquetoast Mittens…..Gary Johnson is my man!!!!!!!!!!! Ideally, and if mittens were a true patriot, he would step aside and let real conservative men (WITH cojones) with real ideas for real change take the wheel!
NOTMITTNOBAMA 2012

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I met a nice, attractive blonde girl a bar I frequent over the weekend around my age (25-28). Started talking and learned that she was Republican, and had donated money to the Romney campaign. I was absolutely blown away. This is in CA too.

You can see the wheels coming off the Hopenchange machine. Last time this year every stupid hipster was wearing those dumb “Hope” shirts, this year nothing. Kinda hard to be fired about about voting for a guy when you can’t afford to move out of your parent’s house.

1984 in real life on July 2, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Young voters might want to think about how their generation is going to pay off the massive national debt that the Obama generation is rapidly accumulating.

Here is my favorite chart to help young adults picture the magnitude of this accelerating $16.39 Trillion problem.

Rising Deficits Drive U.S. Debt Limit Higher, Faster

http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/increases-us-debt-limit

I have printed out several copies of this chart and carry it with me so I have this handy picture available whenever I find an opportunity to have a conversation about why Obama must be defeated in November.

Even my 10-year-old friend understood the problem when I showed this picture to him. Gotta make sure he is ready to vote properly in 2018!

wren on July 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Gary Johnson was getting blown out in the Republican primaries so he took his ball home and decided to run as an independent/libertarian.
Since he came up through the ranks of the Pub party what makes you think he actually will be better than his mates in the GOP?

chemman on July 2, 2012 at 4:55 PM

The youth made their history. Now they can head back to the couch and let the adults fix their mess.

Maybe this will serve as a lesson to break some of them out of their life-long indoctrination that some call education.

BigOil on July 2, 2012 at 4:56 PM

You push for change within the party (see Tea Party). Third party is not a practical choice.

jazzmo on July 2, 2012 at 4:26 PM

If the Republican Party has changed recently, I would argue it has changed for the worse. Much, much worse. As bad as Bush was, he was at least two or three times as conservative as Romney, IMO. Now that Republicans have nominated the first champion of socialized medicine in America, Mitt Romney, I would argue that evidence indicates the tea party has done great harm to the Republican Party.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 4:56 PM

This is the 3rd poll of young voters out of 3 published this Summer showing Obama grossly underperforming with this demographic group.

Obama vs McCain 2008 exit poll: +34

Harvard/IOP: +17
http://www.iop.harvard.edu/Research-Publications/Survey/Spring-2012-Survey

Garfield Institute/Hiram College: +13
http://pt.scribd.com/doc/97839181/Garfield-Institute-Hiram-College-poll

IPSOS/Reuters: +6
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoF-sf_iMGARdHZQR0psaWs4SFVzOHZCV2dTTEV3akE#gid=0

Side note: Republicans lost this demographic by 13 points even in 2010.

Common theme: Obama does much worse with the 18-24 group

joana on July 2, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Would any sane person let an 18-22 year old have a definitive say in how their business or household finances were run?

Not just no but HELL NO!

jukin3 on July 2, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Young people need to vote for a reformer like Gary Johnson who will put a stop to the generational theft that both parties rely on to maintain their own power and privilege.

FloatingRock

I absolutely, 100% hope that young people vote for Gary Johnson. Anything that takes votes away from Obama is a good thing.

and you sir, should grow a spine….don’t be spoon-fed by the GOP establishment ….you shoulder part of the blame for ‘going along to get along’ with milquetoast mittens as the GOP nominee…obama and mittens are both unacceptable

Pragmatic

And you should grow a brain. It’s not complicated. Like it or not, it’s either Romney or Obama. Anything else is just childish foot-stomping at this point.

xblade on July 2, 2012 at 4:57 PM

There has been no real change within the party. They’re still generational thieves that borrow, print and spend money to buy votes and pay off their cronies, bankrupting the future of younger Americans with nothing to bailout and preserve the corrupt elite.

You sound just like my brother did in 1998 when he patiently explained to me why he was voting for Ross Perot in 1992. That didn’t turn out so well, unless you liked eight years of Clinton.

Cicero43 on July 2, 2012 at 4:58 PM

I meant 1992, not 1998.

Cicero43 on July 2, 2012 at 4:59 PM

In the recall election, Scott Walker won the 18-25s. Barrett carried the 18-29s by 5, but that was down from 10 in 2010.

There is evidence that the youth vote is not only less enthusiastic than it was in 2008, but also veering away — to some degree and for some of the segment of the population — from big government progressivism.

Resist We Much on July 2, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Since he came up through the ranks of the Pub party what makes you think he actually will be better than his mates in the GOP?

chemman on July 2, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Unlike Romney and Obama, Gary Johnson was a successful two term governor of a US state, one of the most successful governors alive. Gary Johnson cut taxes in his state, Romney raised taxes through the roof with his Romneycare tax, among others.

Gary Johnson is by far and away the most qualified candidate for POTUS in November.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Now that Republicans have nominated the first champion of socialized medicine in America…

FloatingRock

We did? I thought FDR was dead?

xblade on July 2, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Maybe turnout will be higher since…you know…they don’t have jobs to go to.

ChrisL on July 2, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Gary Johnson is by far and away the most qualified candidate for POTUS in November.

FloatingRock

And he can’t win. You may as well try to get Reagan elected. Now turn up the Floyd and take another hit off the bong….the adults are busy.

xblade on July 2, 2012 at 5:07 PM

so the GOP choose Milquetoast Mittens at such a crucial time in America’s history as REAGAN II….utterly and completely laughable!!!

JINDAL/WEST or Gary Johnson 2012!

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:47 PM

No, the GOP put him out there with I can’t remember how many others.

The voters chose him over all the others.

Including Gary Johnson!

Flora Duh on July 2, 2012 at 5:07 PM

And you should grow a brain. It’s not complicated. Like it or not, it’s either Romney or Obama. Anything else is just childish foot-stomping at this point.

xblade on July 2, 2012 at 4:57 PM

…and only a foolish child would support obama or romney….that’s the truth!
NOMITTNOBAMA 2012!

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 5:08 PM

so the GOP choose Milquetoast Mittens at such a crucial time in America’s history as REAGAN II….utterly and completely laughable!!!

JINDAL/WEST or Gary Johnson 2012!

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 4:47 PM
No, the GOP put him out there with I can’t remember how many others.

The voters chose him over all the others.

Including Gary Johnson!

Flora Duh on July 2, 2012 at 5:07 PM

milquetoast mittens is a HORRIBLE choice…a poster child for the current state of the GOP establishment….hapless dinosaurs!

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 5:10 PM

…and only a foolish child would support obama or romney….that’s the truth!
NOMITTNOBAMA 2012!

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 5:08 PM

And with that incisive, well-reasoned retort we leave the subject of Gary Johnson behind. (I hope.)

Cicero43 on July 2, 2012 at 5:11 PM

the adults are busy.

xblade on July 2, 2012 at 5:07 PM

The so-called adults like you are the bastages that piled up $16 trillion in debt and are trying to borrow and print their way out of it like children who think money grows on trees. The so-called adults are the crooks that are stealing the future of young Americans to bail themselves out and preserve their own power and prestige, sticking their young victims with the bill.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 5:11 PM

It’s amusing how the same commentators who a couple of months ago were posting that they could never vote for Romney because he’s a squish on abortion, are now claiming that pro-abortion Gary Johnson, of all people, is the right one for the job.

Really, liberal trolls are showing the ignorance of conservative psyche. Except in New Mexico, Johnson will attract more Obama voters (pro-legalization of drugs & anti-war single issue voters) than Romney’s.

There’s Virgil Goode running on the Constitutional Party ticket. Pretend you’re going to vote for him instead.

joana on July 2, 2012 at 5:12 PM

I can’t see how ANY young person misses the fact that it’s the young who get the bill on all this spending and on the Obamatax fiasco. They can’t get jobs, yet they’re expected to subsidize this whole mess in the long haul.

Murf76 on July 2, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 5:10 PM

And someone who uses nicknames like “milquetoast mittens” is a poster child for people to ignore.

Flora Duh on July 2, 2012 at 5:14 PM

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Barack Obama. Get that through your thick skull.

There is no more time for dreams of your selection being elected. If you don’t get serious we’ll have Obama for another four years, and the tiny fragments remaining of the USA will be gone.

I don’t know what the chances for Romney are now, after the Supreme Court decision. I am frantically researching the requirements for a move to Mexico if necessary. Even a government run by the PRI is preferable to me than living with government run healthcare and Obama.

hachiban on July 2, 2012 at 5:15 PM

hapless: Someone you feel sorry for; synonyms (used most often in the U.K. but appropos to describing the current GOP establishment):
wretch – someone who is in a difficult situation and who you feel sorry for
loser- someone or something that is affected in a negative way by something
poor sod – used for saying that you feel sorry for someone
blighter – a word for someone you feel sorry for or do not approve of (see milquetoast mittens)

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 5:16 PM

A vote for Romney is a vote for Barack Obama.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 5:18 PM

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Barack Obama. Get that through your thick skull.

There is no more time for dreams of your selection being elected. If you don’t get serious we’ll have Obama for another four years, and the tiny fragments remaining of the USA will be gone.

I don’t know what the chances for Romney are now, after the Supreme Court decision. I am frantically researching the requirements for a move to Mexico if necessary. Even a government run by the PRI is preferable to me than living with government run healthcare and Obama.

hachiban on July 2, 2012 at 5:15 PM

get it through YOUR thick skull ….a vote for mittens milquetoast is a vote for more of the same (only more slowly)…..NOMITTNOBAMA 2012

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 5:18 PM

If you don’t get serious we’ll have Obama for another four years, and the tiny fragments remaining of the USA will be gone.

hachiban on July 2, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Black Obama or white Obama, it makes no difference to me because they’re both the same, generational thieves. That’s why I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson in November.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 5:20 PM

A vote for Romney is a vote for Barack Obama.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Hahaha. And a vote for Obama is really a vote for Nader.

Chuck Schick on July 2, 2012 at 5:24 PM

I have a 24 year old and he’s living with roommates practically in the ghetto in order to be on his own, but he usually ends up moving back in. He works two jobs, 6 days a week, and sometimes 12 to 13 hour days.

More than the economy and unemployment, the young adults in this age group are more worried about their freedoms taken away. They don’t even know the America previous generations grew up in.

lea on July 2, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Polls show that Americans under 30 are still inclined to support Mr. Obama by a wide margin. But the president may face a particular challenge among voters ages 18 to 24. In that group, his lead over Mitt Romney — 12 points — is about half of what it is among 25- to 29-year-olds, according to an online survey this spring by the Harvard Institute of Politics.

…there really HAS BEEN a dumbing down of America over the years!
This must be the age group where we get our trolls.

KOOLAID2 on July 2, 2012 at 5:38 PM

…and only a foolish child would support obama or romney….

Pragmatic on July 2, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Foolish Child Expert checks in.

PS, when did children got the right to vote?

FAIL-

Del Dolemonte on July 2, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Black Obama or white Obama, it makes no difference to me because they’re both the same, generational thieves. That’s why I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson in November.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 5:20 PM

And what are you going to do when Gary Johnson loses in November?

Del Dolemonte on July 2, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 2, 2012 at 5:44 PM

It’s is because the unborn cannot vote and have no representation that corrupt Republican and Democrat politicians can get away with stealing their futures to buy votes.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 5:49 PM

As a member of the recently-graduated demographic crowd, I can attest that I’ve got a fair number of friends — well-educated, hardworking friends — who are currently living at home with their parents.

Hmmmm. I wonder how many of them would be working full time right now if they hadn’t bought into the “gotta-have-a-college-education” meme and had learned a trade instead.

Cleombrotus on July 2, 2012 at 5:51 PM

And what are you going to do when Gary Johnson loses in November?

Del Dolemonte on July 2, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Then we’ll all be in store for another four years of Obamney’s Republicrat policies. If Obama or Romney win’s we’ll have another four years of bailouts, Keynesian cronyism and big-gov solutions to problems that the Republicrats caused themselves, and their “solutions” will just be a means for them to increase their own power and control over us, they’ll never address the core problems that our country faces. The debt will continue to skyrocket, Bernanke and Geithner will continue to cover the Obamney’s tab by printing money. The Republicrats in Congress will continue to issue themselves new credit cards to steal the future of the children to keep their cronies and special interests supplied with fresh dollars.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 5:56 PM

they’ll never address the core problems that our country faces.

And the reason they won’t is because that is how they have been able to maintain their power and control over us. The ruling class caused these problems by buying special interests votes and paying off their cronies. If the Republicrat ruling class fixed America’s fundamental problems, they’d lose power and control and our freedom and liberty would be restored.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM

You sound just like my brother did in 1998 when he patiently explained to me why he was voting for Ross Perot in 1992. That didn’t turn out so well, unless you liked eight years of Clinton.

Cicero43 on July 2, 2012 at 4:58 PM

My wife still brings the hammer about my Perot vote in 92. That little gal can really get dirty when she has to. Man does she despise Clinton.

DanMan on July 2, 2012 at 6:11 PM

You sound just like my brother did in 1998 when he patiently explained to me why he was voting for Ross Perot in 1992. That didn’t turn out so well, unless you liked eight years of Clinton.

Cicero43 on July 2, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Ross Perot was never in politics as far as I can recall. He is not in Gary Johnson’s league at all. Gary Johnson is one of the most successful and popular governors alive. His two opponents are to blame for Obamacare. If the majority of Americans that don’t drink the D and R brand koolaid and do the right thing, vote for the most qualified candidate with the best, most consistent public record, Gary Johnson can’t lose. It will be a historic landslide and Obama and Romney together are likely to get less than half the vote.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Free-thinking Democrat and Republican voters should join with the majority of independents in November and vote for Gary Johnson. Say ‘no’ to double-think.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Let’s make next years Fourth of July a new independence day.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I guess these young voters are starting to realize that unless the Emperor Jones is deposed, they’ll have to start living at home a lot longer than they figured with mommy–until they’re 65 or so!

MaiDee on July 2, 2012 at 6:34 PM

And if the little darlings vote for Obama overwhelmingly again, I have no sympathy for them paying for my Medicare and Social Security in 20 years. They’ll deserve what they get. They’re all spoiled rotten bums.

jaimo on July 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM

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