Boehner: We need to rip ObamaCare out by the roots

posted at 12:01 pm on July 2, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

How committed are Republicans to repeal in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold ObamaCare in its entirety on Thursday? John Boehner answered that question on CBS’ Face the Nation yesterday, pledging to rip ObamaCare out “by its roots.”  Only then, the House Speaker told CBS, can Congress and (presumably) a new President address rational and meaningful health-insurance reform in a way that doesn’t put the federal government in control of the entire industry.  However, the interview shows the difficulty of making this case without a plan to protect some of the more popular parts of the ObamaCare bill (via The Hill and Instapundit):

House Speaker John Boehner vowed on Sunday to repeal the Affordable Care Act, saying the law, which the Supreme Court ruled as being constitutional this week, should be “ripped out by its roots.”

“This has to be ripped out by its roots,” Boehner said in an interview on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “This is government taking over the entire health industry. The American people do not want to go down this path. It has to be ripped out and we need to start over one step at a time.

Boehner said that once the entire law is repealed, lawmakers can discuss individual measures. “We can have a common sense debate about which ought to stay and which ought to go,” he said.

Expect to hear these questions frequently as Republicans go on offense over the ObamaCare-tax issue.  Broken down into individual components, some of ObamaCare is very popular, including some mentioned by the CBS interviewer.  Republicans will eventually need to have a plan to address those points; Boehner mentions the Ryan plan, which was a big step in the right direction, for instance.  However, we can probably look forward to a few months of relative silence on alternatives while the GOP beats up Obama and Democrats for their ObamaCare-tax plan.

That’s just politics, but it’s also a missed opportunity.  The big problem in the Obama approach was the lack of diversity and competition in insurance plans.  Most people with pre-existing conditions could qualify for catastrophic health insurance and use HSAs to cover their routine medical care.  I have both a chronic thyroid issue and Type II diabetes, both of which would make it difficult for me to qualify for comprehensive plans, but both of those are fairly easy to cover out-of-pocket for much less than the annual cost of a comprehensive plan.  For younger adults who are usually very healthy, comprehensive plans make no sense whatsoever; they cost upward of $3500 a year, and most of these won’t get more than $200-$300 worth of benefits from it.  They would save themselves money by going the same route — a combination of inexpensive catastrophic coverage with HSAs that use pre-tax income to fund occasional doctor visits and prescription medication costs.

Furthermore, getting insurers out of the routine medical care business would help promote more diversity in the insurance pool and the provider pool.  Providers would be forced to compete on costs at the retail level, driving down the actual cost of most medical care, and creating pressure for innovation.  Resources in risk pools could be concentrated on hospitalization and much more rare issues of chronic illness, returning the health-insurance industry to a risk management system rather than HMOs by other names.  The reduction in government intervention means that public resources can focus solely on safety-net programs — and most of those could and should be managed by states, not the federal government.

If Republicans really want to win this health-care argument for the next generation, they will need to make an argument for free-market-based reforms as above.  They missed the opportunity to win this in 2001-6, when the GOP could have pre-empted Democrats and prevented an ObamaCare imposition.  If they do pull up ObamaCare “by the roots,” they’d better be prepared this time to deal with the clunky and costly third-party-payer system, or they won’t get another chance.

In his new book The Great Destroyer: Barack Obama’s War on the Republic, David Limbaugh warns what happens if Republicans fail to take advantage of their opportunity to replace Obama as President:

President Obama has repeatedly revealed his impatience with our Constitution’s separation of powers and its checks and balances, lamenting that democracy is sometimes “messy” and frustrating. He just wants the other branches to get out of his way, because he can’t allow a silly inconvenience like the Constitution to obstruct his utopian vision for America.

Obama and his allies have repeatedly broadcast their intentions in this regard. His former chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, promised that Obama would govern through “executive orders and directives to get the job done across a front of issues.” Obama told NBC News anchor Brian Williams in August 2010 that his “next two years” as president would be much more about “implementation” and “management” than “constant legislation.” “What I’m not gonna do is wait for Congress,” he baldly proclaimed in an interview on 60 Minutes. And in January 2012, frustrated with a GOP Congress that properly refused to rubber-stamp his destructive agenda, he said, “But when Congress refuses to act, and as a result, hurts our economy and puts our people at risk, then I have an obligation as President to do what I can without them. I’ve got an obligation to act on behalf of the American people. And I’m not going to stand by while a minority in the Senate puts party ideology ahead of the people that we were elected to serve.”

Obama implements his power-grabs through administrative usurpations of legislative power, executive overreaches, and unconstitutional legislation, assisted by the many radical, unaccountable czars he has appointed. In his failed jobs bill (the “American Jobs Act”), he sought to create a new group of czars (the American Infrastructure Financing Authority) to manage more than a trillion dollars of taxpayer money for infrastructure improvements—authority that already resides with the Department of Transportation, the Department of Energy, and the U.S. General Services Administration.5 Columnist Lurita Doan notes that the

White House has also assembled an expansive new cadre of unaccountable White House liaison officers who “seem to be the critical players in so many of the scandals now erupting.” Working under the authority of Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, these officers are largely “unqualified and inexperienced” and are “embedded into every single federal agency.” Obama reportedly didn’t have contact with a half dozen cabinet members during his first two years in office,6 he rarely meets with his real, Senate-confirmed cabinet members, and increasingly relies on his czars and junior staffers who insulate him from contact with the public.

Try to imagine what types of overreaches he would attempt if he were re-elected. I have no doubt that if he wins in November, America will be destined to pass the point of no return in its headlong rush to Grecian-style bankruptcy, European socialism on steroids, national weakness, and the end of American freedom as we know it. It will be little comfort to be vindicated in these predictions, because that would mean that our generation had squandered the glorious legacy of freedom bequeathed to us by our parents and grandparents, and that we would have stolen from our children and grandchildren this same wondrous legacy.

It is still not too late to save America and restore her to a path of greatness, of robust liberty, and of economic prosperity. But I fear it is not hyperbole to suggest that it very well may be too late if we don’t end this madness in November 2012 by voting Barack Obama out of office. God bless all you patriots fighting for the survival and continued greatness of this nation. God bless the most wonderful Constitution “ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man,” and God bless this American Republic.

I tend to be a little more optimistic, but one thing is true: this is the last opportunity we will have to repeal ObamaCare. If Obama wins a second term, ObamaCare will go into effect, and it will be nearly impossible to reverse it in 2016 or later.


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Talk is cheap.

davidk on July 2, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Boehner…LOL

Mitt: I agree with Obama this is not a tax.

Me: Screwed.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Guaranteed it will be reversed, either by Congress, or by reality when it helps to bring our country to it’s knees. If you want to see the result of a long term Obama type government, come down here to Mexico and see the poverty.

wsucoug on July 2, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I sure can’t explain to you how or why Boehner wasn’t primaried.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 2:18 PM

He was primaried. By a Tea Party nut job. NOt a witch or a scientologist, just your run of the mill nut job this time.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Kinda like Tom Hayden with the Democrats, time, persuasion, money, primaries…politics.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM

So, we do agree that we wont’ have the chance until at least the 2014 elections.

I sure can’t explain to you how or why Boehner wasn’t primaried.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 2:18 PM

He was primaried, but OH RINOs managed to screw it up.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM

He was primaried, but OH RINOs Tea Party managed to screw it up.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Improved.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 2:49 PM


Kinda like Tom Hayden with the Democrats, time, persuasion, money, primaries…politics.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM
So, we do agree that we wont’ have the chance until at least the 2014 elections.

No, we’ve got a chance NOW, send money and send TEA Party folks to the House and take back the Senate…advocate, call your Congress human, tell the leadership and tell your Congress human that your CONTINUED support is contingent on repealing Obama Care. IF you don’t trust the RCCC or the RSCC send money to those PAC’s that you do trust….

What is NOT useful is b!tching about Boehner/McConnell or throwing in the towel by simply screaming, “We’re DOOMED.” Boehenr will go where the money and the votes are, IF he’s the weak-kneed lilly-livered “squish” you guyz think he is….it’s like Friedman (Milton, not Tom) said,

“The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.”

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 2:55 PM

No, we’ve got a chance NOW, send money and send TEA Party folks to the House and take back the Senate

Are you serious? You’re not aware that most primaries are over?

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Watched the video. Heard what Boehner said. Sounds pretty good except for the emphasis on “replace” rather than “repeal”. I don’t trust him.

ncjetsfan on July 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Riddick you seem focused on beating REPUBLICANS…I just want more TEA Party people in Congress. Get over your hatred of RINO’s/Not-TEA Party Members….read what I wrote and read and comprehend Friedman….Do you want a Crusade to “Purify” the Party or to Over-turn Obama Care? Because you can have one of those things come January 2013. Make your choice….It seems you are making the “Perfect, the Enemy of the Good Enough.” In 2014 throw out all the RINO’s you can, me, I want to repeal Obama Care and Unelect Obama.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Improved.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 2:49 PM

You mean that RINOs themselves are happy with status quo and did not come up with a candidate of their choice. I do agree that TEA Party screwed up by not having a better candidate, but over 80% of GOP in OH seem to be fine with the cry baby, it seems.

Even with a “bad” TEA Party candidate we could have achieved 2 VERY SIGNIFICANT improvements in the House: a fiscal conservative who’d vote with GOP every time and we’d FORCE a new Speaker as well.

Win/win from I sit.

So, yeah, I stand by my view that RINOs screwed us in OH no matter how you look at it.

Funny how those who insist on “anybody but Hussein” mantra then fail in their bid to see the advantages of “anybody but Boehner”.

Classic…

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Boehner’s primary contender was John Lewis. A single issue(abortion repeal) nut job. No wonder why he lost.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 3:07 PM

This is the last straw for me. I will watch these elections closely. If the GOP wins Congress and President, and don’t repeal Obamacare, it’s third party from now on out for me.

Decoski on July 2, 2012 at 2:20 PM

This I understand. We find ourselves at a point where we have to vote to for Romney and others in congress that we are not happy about because we need the numbers. We have no choice. But they are running on the repeal of Obamacare and they cannot cave on that. If they do cave on Obamacare it really will be the end of the party. Not only will people vote third party, huge numbers of republican voters will just give up and not vote. For the GOP not to repeal Obamacare will be suicide.

I have always voted and voted only republican, although it almost never matters in my state (MD). But if they are elected this time and do not repeal f’n Obamacare that will be the last straw. Many, many people will give up on the GOP.

jazzmo on July 2, 2012 at 3:10 PM

I just want more TEA Party people in Congress. Get over your hatred of RINO’s/Not-TEA Party Members….read what I wrote and read and comprehend Friedman….Do you want a Crusade to “Purify” the Party or to Over-turn Obama Care? Because you can have one of those things come January 2013. Make your choice….It seems you are making the “Perfect, the Enemy of the Good Enough.” In 2014 throw out all the RINO’s you can, me, I want to repeal Obama Care and Unelect Obama.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:04 PM

You are DEFINITELY mis-reading my posts. I am for TEA Party, in each seat of Congress and beyond.

Your post seems to contradict your own “I want more TEA Party” statement, though. Settling on “good enough” is what got us all in this mess in the first place. Good enough won’t work in the future. CANNOT WORK.

Seen it with my own 2 eyes while living in USSR, too bad you guys haven’t. I am done, long ago, with “good enough”, in more ways than you can imagine.

Too bad so many are still fine with “good enough” BS.

Now, please educate me, the unwashed, just how you and yours are planning to alter anything in 2012 with the likes of Boehner way past the primary. Write ins won’t work in the General.

So, since you seem to be way smarter than I am, feel free to post your brilliant plans.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Boehner’s primary contender was John Lewis. A single issue(abortion repeal) nut job. No wonder why he lost.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Beats “I bend over each and every time for the rimming by the liberals” in my book.

But, hey, we seem to have different priorities and extra few TRILLION of deficit won’t kill anyone.

/s

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM

If I could paraphrase a well-known statement by Will Rogers that he never met a man he didn’t like – I’m afraid we have some people around here who never met a tax they didn’t like. Ronald Reagan

I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There’s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: as government expands, liberty contracts. Ronald Reagan

Speakup on July 2, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Beats “I bend over each and every time for the rimming by the liberals” in my book.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM

I guess my point is, the Tea Party needs to do a better job with who they run against RINO’s and dems. Does no good if they lose.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Settling on “good enough” is what got us all in this mess in the first place. Good enough won’t work in the future. CANNOT WORK.

Really because it’s what produced the Progressive Democratic party of today…people seem to think that the Democrat’s of 2012 are just like the ones of 1960…but they aren’t…thru pressure, and politics, and persuasion the party of JFK became the Party of Pelosi/Reid and Obama.

I don’t care if there are 535 TEA Party members of Congress or none, I want Obama Care Repealed and Obama out of office….Again read Friedman;

The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.”

You keep thinking that 1) Replace Boehner and RINO’s and then 2) Repeal….it doesn’t have to work that way and we don’t have time….instead,

The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.”

Meaning repeal Obama Care and worry about whether you like them or not in 2014. And getting them to do the right thing involves money, ‘phone calls, and monitoring, give your money to PAC’s that support candidates and causes you like, and if that isn’t the RNC or the RCCC or the RSCC then they’ll note the loss and change their tune.

You can’t re-make the GOP in one or two electoral cycles and you’d be foolish to try…..

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I agree Speaker Boehner!
Rip it out by the roots, and replace it with …umm, something, uh, some kind of common sense, doctor-patient based thing…you know, like Romneycare! Yeah, that’s the ticket!
A plan where the mandate is not a tax (except the part where Mitt’s spokesman argues that it is), and abortions are government funded. Santorum tried to warn the party that this clusterf*ck would happen if Romney got nominated…but nobody listened.

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM

But Lewis is mounting a protest candidacy on a single issue: Boehner’s support of a federal budget that provided funding to Planned Parenthood.
Lewis plans to unveil graphic anti-abortion ads on his website Monday.

*WOW* Riddick they guy was a LOSER from the get-go…but hey he wasn’t Boehner…please note he didn’t say he was going to repeal Obama care or reduce taxes, EITHER….Face it, you HATE Boehner, more than you want to change DC.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Yeah Aunty if someone OTHER THAN SANTORUM had been making it….or if Santorum had been less a SoCon and more libertarian. But he wasn’t and Romney is the nominee…vote for Johnson or the US Constitution Party if you want, but please shut up about Romney…he WON, and no Not-Romney did….to include the Not-Romney’s I wanted.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:26 PM

This could be sold by a simple argument: It is immoral to require people to buy insurance they don’t want or need for the benefit of giving other people more insurance than they can afford.

People should have the option of buying catastrophic health insurance only — that is, they should be able to reduce the premiums to something they can afford by accepting higher deductibles or more limited coverage.

Forcing them to buy what they don’t need for the benefit of others is just socialism by another name, done through mandates to and for corporations.

Which makes it fascism by another name.

tom on July 2, 2012 at 3:26 PM

I agree Speaker Boehner!
Rip it out by the roots, and replace it with …umm, something, uh, some kind of common sense, doctor-patient based thing…you know, like Romneycare! Yeah, that’s the ticket!
A plan where the mandate is not a tax (except the part where Mitt’s spokesman argues that it is), and abortions are government funded. Santorum tried to warn the party that this clusterf*ck would happen if Romney got nominated…but nobody listened.

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Romneycare as a national approach is a dead issue, just like ObamaCare. Which makes your rant completely pointless.

tom on July 2, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Speakup on July 2, 2012 at 3:16 PM

No disrespect, but you do know that Reagan raised taxes 11 times, tripled the federal deficit, and added over 200,000 federal employees during his 2 terms?
I won’t even mention his amnesty record (oops).
He wouldn’t make it out of the primary in today’s political climate.

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 3:31 PM

I guess my point is, the Tea Party needs to do a better job with who they run against RINO’s and dems. Does no good if they lose.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

A rock, even a slimy rock, was a better choice than Boehner. But I guess we see things very differently.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 3:40 PM

A rock, even a slimy rock, was a better choice than Boehner. But I guess we see things very differently.

No, you’re just crazy….

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:45 PM

He was primaried, but OH RINOs managed to screw it up.

Shocked to hear that.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Meaning repeal Obama Care and worry about whether you like them or not in 2014.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Got it. You make it perfectly clear now, a brilliant plan starting with the brilliant Speaker of the House who was given a mandate in 2010 and has NOT DONE ANYTHING with it.

Name one thing Boehner has accomplished save for twice agreeing to raise debt ceiling, agreeing to each and every EO and bending over each and every time.

Do I hate Boehner? Sure. And I know I am not alone.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the the REQUIREMENT of having a new GOP Speaker ASAP. Not in 2014, not later. NOW.

You and others obviously seem to miss that point. Same as OH RINOs missing out on the concept as well.

Like I said, a rock would be better than Boehner since we’d at least have a new Speaker on top of sending a clear message out that new Speaker better do SOMETHING, unlike Boehner who did NOTHING.

Very clear concept, have no idea why I need to explain it.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 3:47 PM

RINOs are out in full force today…

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Shocked to hear that.

No, the TEA Party screwed it up…in making Lewis their candidate…he ran as a SINGLE ISSUE candidate, Pro-Life….Now, I’m willing to bet Boehner is Pro-Life and Anti-Obama Care and Pro-Bush tax Cuts (Nominally, we can debate the extent of his commitment to ANYTHING) so why would any SANE voter vote for the TEA Party person when they can have the same Pro-life message AND all the rest, plus pork? Mr. Arrogant has it right.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Shocked to hear that.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Hey, our brilliant posters think otherwise, Speaker is doing a great job by their accounts. Let me re-phrase that, they are insisting he’s on the job. Not sure, our ex Mr. Present or our current one.

Think about it. Second in line, if anything happens to Hussein and “proof that Obama doesn’t need a VP”, Speaker becomes President. Mister Status Quo, Cry Queen, whatever you want to call him, but I’d bet nothing would change since he seems to be content judging by his absolute inaction since assuming the post.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 3:53 PM

tom on July 2, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Obamacare is a dead issue? Then why are there 12 threads talking about it?
My point is/was, If Romney wasn’t the GOP nominee, the issues I mentioned would be non-existent. Sorry I wasn’t more clear. I was hoping a certain former Governor would have thrown her hat in the ring, but…perhaps 2016?

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Not sure who’s worse, our ex Mr. Present or our current one.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Someone who disagrees with you isn’t a RINO, unless you want that term to take on the meaning that “Racist” has taken on. You don’t like hearing that Boehner’s opponent was a LOSER from the get-go, and that it made PERFECT SENSE to vote for Boehner, because you are blinded by hate/ideology……You also don’t want to hear that we can make a RINO/TEA Party Coalition work, because that doesn’t jive with your notion of Party Purity….also a mark of your arrogance….because you are just like the Liberals/Progressives…you are RIGHT and anyone who opposes you must be stoopit or evil. There cannot be a principled disagreement over ends or means or timing….you MUST BE RIGHT, because YOU think it, ergo, it must be right.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Think about it. Second in line, if anything happens to Hussein and “proof that Obama doesn’t need a VP”, Speaker becomes President. Mister Status Quo, Cry Queen, whatever you want to call him…

Try some facts, BIDEN, second-in-line, but don’t let that get in the way of your rant, Riddick.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 4:03 PM

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Russians have a saying, Never tell stupid to his face, he won’t believe you.

Whatever. Never thought there is so much brain damage going around, insisting that something can be changed, this late and after primaries are done, really takes the cake.

Romney now says its not a tax, well, he can’t call it anything other after getting caught with his pants down. Boehner, who has not done anything for the past 2 years, ditto for McConnell and yet there is a brigade convinced there will be changes.Amazing doesn’t even begin to describe this…

Anyway. Provided GOP retakes Senate and WH and keeps the House, we’ll have this discussion next year after you geniuses find out that reconciliation won’t work with Reid already having a backup plan in hand.

Keep convincing yourselves.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Speakup on July 2, 2012 at 3:16 PM

No disrespect, but you do know that Reagan raised taxes 11 times, tripled the federal deficit, and added over 200,000 federal employees during his 2 terms?
I won’t even mention his amnesty record (oops).
He wouldn’t make it out of the primary in today’s political climate.

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Minor tax increases here and there couple with major tax cuts. Before Reagan was inaugurated, the top tax rate was 70%. When he left office, it was 35%.

You’re going to attempt to cherry-pick his record to make him look bad, but Reagan was the beginning of the push-back against progressive Keynesian economics. The very reason we don’t let Democrats get away with raising taxes now and promising to cut spending later, is that we saw how they made that deal with Reagan, then never came through with the spending cuts.

That’s also why we learned not to trust deals on amnesty, which always amount to “let the people in the country illegally now stay, and we promise we’ll reform immigration in the future.”

In short, you’re trying to use the times that the left broke faith with Reagan to suggest that Reagan was at fault.

BTW, the economy when Reagan came into office was so bad, and the need to build up defense was so stark, that Reagan accepted higher deficits than he wanted to accomplish those two goals, accepting that he would have to lower deficits in the long term by growing the economy.

Which worked during the Bush administration immediately afterward, but all credit was given to the Clinton administration by the media.

Of course, if Bush 41 hadn’t foolishly broken his “no new taxes” pledge under pressure from the left, it would have happened soon enough that he got the credit instead of Clinton.

tom on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

and “proof that Obama doesn’t need a VP”,

You’re truly stupid, thanks for confirming that.

Read the above once more, or rather, as many times as it takes, then watch one of the best RNC ads in recent cycle.

“Never underestimate the power of stupid” – Unknown

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 4:07 PM

tom on July 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I loved and love Reagan, one for the best mids of our times.

Yet, if I have to fault him it is Afghanistan. We should have Russians have the place and never, ever spent the time, effort nor money on arming this scourge, our lives TODAY would be not be what they are.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Not sure who’s worse, our ex Mr. Present or our current one.

riddick

If you’re not sure, you should probably check around to see if Obamacare offers mental health coverage.

xblade on July 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Anyway. Provided GOP retakes Senate and WH and keeps the House, we’ll have this discussion next year after you geniuses find out that reconciliation won’t work with Reid already having a backup plan in hand.

Keep convincing yourselves.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Well, since you are the only genius here, how about you clue us in on what we should do at this point.

jazzmo on July 2, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Anyway. Provided GOP retakes Senate and WH and keeps the House, we’ll have this discussion next year after you geniuses find out that reconciliation won’t work with Reid already having a backup plan in hand.

Well there you go, we’ll not do anything, but if we do anything it won’t work and the Democrats are smarter than us any way…*WOW* you know how to motivate the troops. We’ll talk AFTER reconciliation, and it passes and the Mandate/Tax is gone….but I’m sure you’ll have a whole NEW litany of complaints about Boehner and the GOP…say here’s an idea why don’t YOU found a website devoted to promoting “Conservatism” raise lotsa cash for the “Conservatives” and mayhap run for office YOURSELF…you know do something besides whine on Hot Air.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Anyway. Provided GOP retakes Senate and WH and keeps the House, we’ll have this discussion next year after you geniuses find out that reconciliation won’t work with Reid already having a backup plan in hand.

Keep convincing yourselves.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Well, since you are the only genius here, how about you clue the rest of us in on what to do at this point.

jazzmo on July 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM

He wouldn’t make it out of the primary in today’s political climate.

greataunty

Right…..Mitt Romney just made it out of the primary, but Reagan wouldn’t have had a chance, lol.

xblade on July 2, 2012 at 4:13 PM

If you’re not sure, you should probably check around to see if Obamacare offers mental health coverage.

xblade on July 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM

OK, name one Boehner’s vote did something for us. He’s been voting “present” on each and every EO so far.

You know between all of you geniuses and me I know who did see government run everyhing and who just bleats about it. Save you crap for someone who cares.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Right…..Mitt Romney just made it out of the primary, but Reagan wouldn’t have had a chance, lol.

xblade on July 2, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Heh.

Some of these people do love beclowning themselves, don’t they?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2012 at 4:28 PM

So the fact that the SC ruled Obamacare was a tax, and that is what Republicans are going to run on, was kicked in the teeth by Romney’s top campaign guy saying it wasn’t a tax and Romney agreed with him. Well, here we go!

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Only then, the Sprecher des Abgeordnetenhauses told CBS, kann der Kongress and (presumably) ein neuer Präsident address rational and meaningful health-insurance reform in a way that doesn’t put the federal government in control of the entire industry.

Thanks John! The Republicans never once addressed the problems surrounding health care so the Dems ran through the gaping hole and scored.

Finally, after the bomb blows up, they’re going to address the problems of too much government control and the horrible pre existing condition conundrum so many people are financially hostage to.

rickyricardo on July 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM

This is the one thing Mittens has gotten right. It’s not a tax. But Mittens only needed to say that Barky and his lunatic gang, THEMSELVES, argued that it was a tax and that the worst opinion in SCOTASS history came down, destroying our Constitution and the very language our government is described in.

But … none of that matters so long as Mittens is still insisting, as was his first response to this, that he wants to keep the “no ore-existing conditions” idea and a couple of other things from ObamaCare. He has to come to the idea that all of ObamaCare needs to go. Period. No replacement. Nothing. It has to be totally excised from our law. After that, if things need to be done that fall squarely within the Commerce Clause (such as opening up health insurance to inter-state sales) then that will proceed on its own. But one page repealing the whole monstrosity of ObamaCare is the only thing to do, now.

He also needs to express that, while the penalty is clearly a penalty (and we do not have taxes for inactivity in America) Bendict Roberts totally screwed up and fell far short of “good Behaviour” in the way he has done irreparable damage to America.

But, Mittens will only get the “it’s not a tax” part correct. He’ll fail on everything else. Because … that’s who he is. I still have to vote for the slug – like I had to vote for that miserable piece of sh!t McShame, but I don’t like it one bit and I hold no illusions about what it will bring, other than getting rid of the utterly offensive, third wordl dog-eating retard who never should have even gotten a job as a janitor at the White House. Pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Sorry Tom, no need to cherry pick Reagan’s record. It speaks for itself.His Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 was criticized as the largest tax increase in history, coming in at .8% of GDP (Obamacare comes in at .49%, to put it in perspective). He raised taxes DURING A RECESSION (July ’81-Nov.’82), something nearly EVERYONE agrees is foolish, and said at the time “The goal is simple and just: to see to it that everyone pays his fair share”. (SOCIALIST!)
Where’s Joe the plumber when you need him?
Four months later unemployment had risen to 10.8%, highest level in the past 70 years.
He raised taxes nearly every year he was in office.I voted for the man, twice, but I get amused at those who worship his record as a conservative god. It’s re-writing history. He sold weapons to Iran, he armed the Taliban, his reaction to the Beirut bombings (which killed 241 marines!) was cut and run.I know those things aren’t popular here, but they are simply facts.
Anyway, don’t want to hijack the thread, have a good night. Stay cool.

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM

John Roberts said it’s a tax, therefore it is now a tax. If the Republicans were going to use that to run on, since legally that is what it is, Mitt’s guy just screwed up royally. This just threw the R’s for a loop and gave fodder to the Dems to use against us.

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM

If only the Republicans controlled the House, then they would control the purse strings and could bring Obowma under control…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on July 2, 2012 at 5:03 PM

So the fact that the SC ruled Obamacare was a tax, and that is what Republicans are going to run on, was kicked in the teeth by Romney’s top campaign guy saying it wasn’t a tax and Romney agreed with him. Well, here we go!

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM

I read that. I cannot believe he said that or that Mitt can’t unglue himself from his beloved RomneyCare.

I don’t know if it’s been linked to, but here it is for those who missed it.

His main talking point seemed to be that Mitt was consistent because he’d always called it a penalty, unlike Obama who has called it both.

In a roundabout exchange on MSNBC’s “Daily Rundown” on Monday, Eric Fehrnstrom was asked if he agrees with Obama that the individual mandate is not a tax.

“That’s correct,” Fehrnstrom said. “But the president also needs to be held accountable for his contradictory statements. He has described it variously as a penalty and as a tax. He needs to reconcile those two very different statements.”

In Romney’s initial statement on the decision, he emphasized that the law would raise taxes.

“ObamaCare raises taxes on the American people by $500 billion,” he said immediately following the court’s ruling at a press conference across the street from the U.S. Capitol.

The Romney campaign says he wasn’t referring to the individual mandate with that comment, but over the weekend, Republicans ran with the message that with the individual mandate Obama had finally been exposed for raising taxes on the middle class.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:07 PM

I forgot the link, because it was so maddening to read that.

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/235855-romney-team-agrees-with-obama-mandate-not-a-tax

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:07 PM

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I find it impossible to believe you voted for Reagan. You read like a concern troll.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:09 PM

John Roberts said it’s a tax, therefore it is now a tax. If the Republicans were going to use that to run on, since legally that is what it is, Mitt’s guy just screwed up royally. This just threw the R’s for a loop and gave fodder to the Dems to use against us.

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I can’t tell you how angry this made me. Is Mitt going to take away the biggest PR club the Rs have now?

Mitt & his campaign had no problem kneecapping others in the primaries with distortions and lies about their records and about his own. Are he and his campaign now incapable of arguing policy with the Dems? Why?

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Mitt & his campaign had no problem kneecapping others in the primaries with distortions and lies about their records and about his own. Are he and his campaign now incapable of arguing policy with the Dems? Why?

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Because they don’t actually have much in the way of policy that they disagree about?

sharrukin on July 2, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Sorry Tom, no need to cherry pick Reagan’s record. It speaks for itself.His Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 was criticized as the largest tax increase in history, coming in at .8% of GDP (Obamacare comes in at .49%, to put it in perspective). He raised taxes DURING A RECESSION (July ’81-Nov.’82), something nearly EVERYONE agrees is foolish, and said at the time “The goal is simple and just: to see to it that everyone pays his fair share”. (SOCIALIST!)
Where’s Joe the plumber when you need him?
Four months later unemployment had risen to 10.8%, highest level in the past 70 years.
He raised taxes nearly every year he was in office.I voted for the man, twice, but I get amused at those who worship his record as a conservative god. It’s re-writing history. He sold weapons to Iran, he armed the Taliban, his reaction to the Beirut bombings (which killed 241 marines!) was cut and run.I know those things aren’t popular here, but they are simply facts.
Anyway, don’t want to hijack the thread, have a good night. Stay cool.

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Cherry-picking I said, and cherry-picking it remains. He compromised to get his agenda through, as every politician does, but he stuck to his principles and won. He dealt with a Democrat majority in the Senate and House, and it’s hardly fair to blame him for a tax hike that the Dems insisted on. He still beat them.

All that you say ignores that we were locked in a Cold War with the Soviets. And speaking of rewriting history, aid to Afghanistan to help them defeat the Soviets was not arming the Taliban, which came to power much later.

Reagan took the situation he was faced with, which was far worse than we often appreciate, against the resistance of Democrats and media which fought to undermine him at every turn, and he fixed the economy, won the Cold War, brought unemployment to an all-time low, reformed taxes, pushed through very popular tax cuts, and gave us the foundation to actually balance the budget within a few years after he was gone. These were all great achievements.

People consider him to be a great president for a reason.

And that just irritates liberals to no end.

tom on July 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM

We need to rip ObamaCare out by the roots

So says Mr. Continuing Resolution…

Gohawgs on July 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Because they don’t actually have much in the way of policy that they disagree about?

sharrukin on July 2, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Well, yeah. My question was sort of rhetorical. If they can’t hit the policy nail with the conservative ideology hammer, maybe it’s because they never learned how to swing it.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:40 PM

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 5:40 PM

I saw that. He’s not too happy either. I certainly Mitt & campaign have someone who pays attention to Breitbart and who realizes this was not good.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:45 PM

http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2012/07/02/romney-camp-obamacare-not-a-tax/

Ben Howe at RedState has a reply from the campaign:

I reached out to the Romney camp with a very simple subject line: “Dude,come on.” I got this response:

“The Supreme Court left President Obama with two choices: the federal individual mandate in Obamacare is either a constitutional tax or an unconstitutional penalty. Governor Romney thinks it is an unconstitutional penalty. What is President Obama’s position: is his federal mandate unconstitutional or is it a tax?”

OY, how stupid.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:49 PM

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Seems Rupert Murdoch suggested yesterday via Twitter he needed to get rid of some of his old friends and get some pros on his team. You know, we have gotten a s–t sandwich, or several, thrown in our faces every day for 3 1/2 years from this administration. To keep getting them from your own party is getting more than I can bear. I am so angry I don’t know what to do.

I fall into the group who definitely was not going to vote for Romney come hell or high water. Don’t like him because his policies are not conservative, he is not a conservative, and he was the father of Obamacare. Then I decided I would vote for him just to get rid of Obama and that was the only way to overturn Obamacare, because Mitt said he would overturn it. This is what I feared. McCain #2. He is about as exciting to watch as a fence post. We never have anyone to vote for, we have to vote against someone worse. So, so disappointing.

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Cryin’ John has shown he doesn’t have much in the way of manhood and I don’t expect anything to come of his big talk. I expect exactly nothing from the Squish in the Senate either. They have talked big time after time and done zip about anything.

Quartermaster on July 2, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Our future under Obamacare. I can hardly wait.

scrubjay on July 2, 2012 at 4:57 PM

About a dozen years ago now one of my relatives went to visit back home (ex-Soviet Georgia, but pretty much Russia and any other ex Republic). Was taken ill and admitted to the hospital, we got lucky that one of his friends decided to call us. When his brother called the hospital to inquire on the condition one of the doctors said there is not much they can since they have no medications to administer. We had to buy them here, luckily 2 doctors in the family) and ship them overnight, literally saving his life.

That’s government run health system for you in the nutshell.

The couple of times I was in the hospital there I was given juandice due to needle reuse, they simply moved the needle from one patient to another without sterilization first. Human life is cheap and no more expensive than a 30 minute effort to sterilize…

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 5:54 PM

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 5:54 PM

I think as you do only I was resigned to voting for Romney, still am, because Obama is bent on destroying this country.

I agree with the rest of what Howe has to say. I have the same fear. Romney can’t let go of RomneyCare, and he can’t do the PR to slam ObamaCare.

And now Romney receives his first test on this. Obama is declared a tax, and the Romney camp seems to be cowering away.

I’m willing to give them some time on this one before I give up on their messaging. I’d like to see Obama trapped by their tactic or perhaps see a video that can adequately present the issue in a way that the masses can accept.

They better turn this soon.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Cryin’ John has shown he doesn’t have much in the way of manhood and I don’t expect anything to come of his big talk. I expect exactly nothing from the Squish in the Senate either. They have talked big time after time and done zip about anything.

Quartermaster on July 2, 2012 at 5:54 PM

But Mensa Chapter of HA just love the guy… He’s done so much for us, we had no choice but re-elect him in GOP primary when even a complete moron would do a better job in the House.

Strange that 2+ hours later not one Mensa member (in more ways than one) has yet to list one accomplishment of Boehner’s speakership. In private world, people get fired for not doing their job, in RINO world they get re-elected.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Republicans are always pledging to do things.

MAKE IT HAPPEN, REPUBLICANS. Do that, and maybe I’ll start voting for your sorry asses again.

Aitch748 on July 2, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I agree with the rest of what Howe has to say. I have the same fear. Romney can’t let go of RomneyCare, and he can’t do the PR to slam ObamaCare.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:58 PM

His campaign hack tried to lie his way through the question today (on Chuck Todd) and when caught lying he just side stepped the issue with “… well, different states, differect rules…” when no other state but MA today has RomneyCare. Entire campaign is nothing but hacks and liars. RobertsTax, even though it was interpreted by many a GOP hack as a “help” for Romney is actually a devastating blow via taking one of the main issues on campaign trail from Romney and actually becoming a huge plus to Hussein.

Romney can’t run away from this, no way no how, when there is a nice video of him in 2008 clearly stating that he implemented a TAX in RomneyCare. What is he going to say now, it is not and then face the video 10 times daily?

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM

tom on July 2, 2012 at 3:28 PM

The point being the Romney can’t be trusted.

antisocial on July 2, 2012 at 6:05 PM

I tend to be a little more optimistic, but one thing is true: this is the last opportunity we will have to repeal ObamaCare. If Obama wins a second term, ObamaCare will go into effect, and it will be nearly impossible to reverse it in 2016 or later.

While I agree with the premise I totally disagree with the proposed GOP ‘conservative’ solution.

Lest we forget:

Romney Urged Obama to Adopt the Individual Health-Care Mandate

Coming next: How to get a tiger to change its stripes. /SARC

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 6:09 PM

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM

He can say he was wrong, but he needs to be able to verbalize why and make a strong case for the opposite side. Americans are usually a forgiving bunch if you admit you make a mistake and they think you have actually changed. To lamely defend RomneyCare won’t be enough.

I do think some of the GOP fully expected to have Mitt hit Obama on the massive taxes. I would imagine some of them feel kind of punched in the stomach by this.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 6:12 PM

I guess my point is, the Tea Party needs to do a better job with who they run against RINO’s and dems. Does no good if they lose.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Um, seeing as how you have SUCH a great grasp of the problem will you PLEASE now join your local TEA Party group? Maybe you can bring along a few friends?

Talk is cheap. Action speaks louder than words.

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM

I do think some of the GOP fully expected to have Mitt hit Obama on the massive taxes. I would imagine some of them feel kind of punched in the stomach by this.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Wouldn’t that make Mitt a hypocrite since Romneycare is just as bad?

Don’t worry about republican voterss feeling kicked in the stomach. Not only are they used to it, they keep voting for more of the same.

0bamaRomney 2012! An Individual Mandate You Can Believe In! /SARC

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 6:17 PM

His campaign hack tried to lie his way through the question today (on Chuck Todd) and when caught lying he just side stepped the issue with “… well, different states, differect rules…” when no other state but MA today has RomneyCare. Entire campaign is nothing but hacks and liars. RobertsTax, even though it was interpreted by many a GOP hack as a “help” for Romney is actually a devastating blow via taking one of the main issues on campaign trail from Romney and actually becoming a huge plus to Hussein.

Romney can’t run away from this, no way no how, when there is a nice video of him in 2008 clearly stating that he implemented a TAX in RomneyCare. What is he going to say now, it is not and then face the video 10 times daily?

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM

We all knew they were hacks and liars all thru the Republican campaign. I guess we expected that would all change afterwards? I am physically ill because it is out there now for everyone to see. Romney is not up to fighting Obamacare, and we are screwed!

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 6:17 PM

He can say he was wrong, but he needs to be able to verbalize why and make a strong case for the opposite side. Americans are usually a forgiving bunch if you admit you make a mistake and they think you have actually changed. To lamely defend RomneyCare won’t be enough.

I do think some of the GOP fully expected to have Mitt hit Obama on the massive taxes. I would imagine some of them feel kind of punched in the stomach by this.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 6:12 PM

You mean after pounding out the message that RomneyCare is great, GREAT I TELL YOU!, for YEARS NOW, you expect this hack to admit he was wrong?

Ever seen a liberal do that? Yeap, didn’t think so.

Same as Boehner now, I’d love for the idiot to finally come out and say, I failed you and I resign as Speaker.

Fat chance of both, actually sky hugh odds against.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Romneycare 2.0 will be 20 pages long and able to read. Most importantly the HHS does nothing in it.

tjexcite on July 2, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I do think some of the GOP fully expected to have Mitt hit Obama on the massive taxes. I would imagine some of them feel kind of punched in the stomach by this.

INC on July 2, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Eric Bohling told this today on The Five with his head down and his hand covering his face, shaking his head in disbelief at this boneheaded play.

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I guess we expected that would all change afterwards?

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I was never one of those who expected any changes with Romney, I’ve been saying this ever since I joined the board.

But as GOP was complicit in this con job on us we now have no other choice left save for brokered convention and there is None and No Way in Hell odds on that.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 6:21 PM

I guess we expected that would all change afterwards?

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I was never one of those who expected any changes with Romney, I’ve been saying this ever since I joined the board.

But as GOP was complicit in this con job on us we now have no other choice left save for brokered convention and there is None and No Way in Hell odds on that.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Sorry, I forgot the symbol for “tongue in cheek”. I never expected them to be different either. I’m disgusted with the whole bunch of them, and definitely feel like I’ve been gut-punched. I will now get to taunt my husband every day with “I told you so” about Romney.

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 6:27 PM

But as GOP was complicit in this con job on us we now have no other choice left save for brokered convention and there is None and No Way in Hell odds on that.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 6:21 PM

When the harm is already done, and harm us is EXACTLY what the GOP insiders have done yet again, the best we can hope for is to reduce the damage created. While I never directly ‘spoke’ about this one person figured it out.

Gary Johnson 2012: He isn’t Rom0bama!

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 6:35 PM

I sure hate the idea of Boehner leading a charge- anywhere

Boehner said that once the entire law is repealed, lawmakers can discuss individual measures. “We can have a common sense debate about which ought to stay and which ought to go,” he said.

Fizzle

How about, unstead of announcing he is going to discuss what must stay or go, he simply announce they are going to remove an unfair tax. After that, if anyone asks, he can let people know they will submit new bills for debate

He does not have to argue about what must stay. That is not a negotiating position, but capitulation from weakness and open door to the vampires to render him paralyzed with a list of items which must stay in

The guy is already apologetic about yanking the bad tooth

His biggest concern is the handling of all the new fed employees at IRS et al already hired by Obama. They will have their 90 days, and their union, and the negotiations to place them in other fed jobs will be huge.

Boehner should be deferring to Romney on this one. Romney doesnt dig himself into holes. Note – Romney has ideas on how to make things better. Stop there. There will be debates and those debates will indicate policy. Boehner ought to stay off the news if he cannot control his apologies and compromises

entagor on July 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Talk is cheap. Action speaks louder than words.

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Brave action like… throwing your vote down the toilet on candidates that no one’s heard of?

Chuck Schick on July 2, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Boehner: We need to rip ObamaCare out by the roots

That coming from a capable leader would be encouraging. Coming from Boehner it’s quite disheartening.

RJL on July 2, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I will now get to taunt my husband every day with “I told you so” about Romney.

silvernana on July 2, 2012 at 6:27 PM

That would be OK had we had a way out this late in the game. As much as I want to post “I told you so…” in each and every Romney thread on HA it is way past time for discussions, there is no solution nor way out at this point.

All I want to re-iterate is that re-electing PROVEn bad pols over unproven new blood is never a “loss” from where I stand. A proven loser will prove he/she are incapable of the job, ONCE AGAIN, while new blood just may surprise you. Rand Paul, Allen West are proof of that. Actually, come to think of it, almost all of the new class elected in 2010 to the House have proven they are up for the challenge and the only reason we didn’t accomplish ANYTHING in the House is because of the same old leadership.

When your car develops a problem you don’t say to yourself, Oh, I bet tomorrow when I try to start it the problem will go away, you FIX IT. Same with people.

So, once again, anyone who thinks that primary challenger to Boehner in OH was a bad choice is simply incapable of rational, logical thinking. RINO, in other words, who is fine with status quo and same old, same old.

Boehner, if he has any honor left (and I hope he did have some), should offer his resignation as Speaker. Today. Or the day after elections. Doesn’t matter when since nothing will be accomplished by the House in the meantime. Agg subsidies bill passed, any and all money required to find HusseinCare provided, all EOs that are highly illegal will stand.

Bet on it.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Boehner should be deferring to Romney on this one.

entagor on July 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Boehner is trying to provide support for Romney since Willard has been spectacularly QUIET on the issue since he won the Supreme Court decision that greatly increased the size of his coffers.

BTW, if you think the GOP will succeed in getting 0bamacare off of our backs you are kidding yourself. You see, the GOP elitists support Romney and Mitt supports the Individual Mandate:

Romney Urged Obama to Adopt the Individual Health-Care Mandate

To understand politics all you need do is follow the money.

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Talk is cheap.

davidk on July 2, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Egg-zactly!

Cry-baby Boehner can talk about what “we need to do” all he wants, but we all know he’s going to “CAVE” when the time comes to actually DO SOMETHING to make a repeal happen.

What needs to happen is repeal and replacement with a bill that will actually address some of the problems, and solve them, not move us toward a single-payer socialized medicine nightmare.

JannyMae on July 2, 2012 at 6:56 PM

the GOP isn’t interested in reforming healthcare. They’re perfectly happy with the status quo. As long as *they* & their families have health insurance.

lostmotherland on July 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

That is the same lie that Obama and his minions have been telling. He also had the nerve to get up and claim that the Republicans had presented no alternatives to his “plan,” when the truth was that they had several proposals on the table and he wouldn’t even look at them.

Health care’s problems started with government interference in the health care industry. They will not end with MORE government interference in the health care industry. Health insurance is not synonymous with health care…or it wasn’t until increasingly demanding people expected it to pay for everything from a heart transplant to a band-aid.

JannyMae on July 2, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Brave action like… throwing your vote down the toilet on candidates that no one’s heard of?

Chuck Schick on July 2, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Since you like questions answer a few for yourself. How about trying to get out there and get a little dirty? How about trying to stand on your principles? Is it silly to have the courage of your convictions? Can you blame your politicians for doing a piss poor job of representing you when you do such a piss poor job of representing yourself? Should I have given up in 2008 when everyone said 0bama would win?

Here are your options. There will be several candidates on the ballot for POTUS. You can select:

0bama
0bama lite [aka. Mr. Individual Mandate, Sketchy]
2 term Republican Governor Gary Johnson [aka. Mr. Veto]
Generic Candidate

So go vote for one of the people that do not represent your views AND NEVER WILL, or one that won’t stick you with a bill for their liberal legislative mandates.

The choice is yours. Will you lead, stand your ground, or cave in to the liberal ideology. Remember that you WILL live with your decision for 4 years, so choose wisely.

Aren’t you sick and tired of having your government flip you the bird yet?

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM

What needs to happen is repeal and replacement with a bill that will actually address some of the problems, and solve them, not move us toward a single-payer socialized medicine nightmare.

JannyMae on July 2, 2012 at 6:56 PM

You started out so well!

I’ll NEVER trust the government with healthcare because they have proven that they ALWAYS screw up a free meal.

Once upon a time government was given the mandate by the people to create a mouse, so they got to work.

First it went to committee where the problem was discussed. They then turned the problem over to contractors for bids. They chose the lowest bid and waited. The year given to solve the problem turned into 3 and the costs increased 3 fold.

The day finally came when the ‘mouse’ was to be unveiled. It took 5 years to complete from the day the mandate was given. Two new taxes were passed to fund the project.

The public held its breath as it was presented to them finally. What they got was…

an elephant.

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 7:11 PM

INC on July 2, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Then you clearly won’t believe I voted Bush THRICE.

Full disclosure; I did vote for Clinton twice. Guess that makes me somewhat of an independent?
But who cares…I’ve been called FAR worse on these threads.Over at the DC they assail my mother, and my children.I’m always amazed/amused by the attacks if i don’t toe the line. I guess an occasional dissenting view is unacceptable?
Romney’s VP choice is critical regarding my vote. As with Justice Roberts, I’d rather vote for a known known, than an unknown unknown (that’s my best Rummy imitation). He clearly was a lamb in sheep’s cloth.
I’m having trouble affirming Romney’s views, as they have vacillated continually. As`with many elections, my vote will probably land on the lesser evil.

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I’m having trouble affirming Romney’s views, as they have vacillated continually. As`with many elections, my vote will probably land on the lesser evil.

greataunty on July 2, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Gary Johnson 2012: He Isn’t Rom0bama!

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Now McConnell says repeal is a long shot.
BOHICA.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Um, seeing as how you have SUCH a great grasp of the problem will you PLEASE now join your local TEA Party group? Maybe you can bring along a few friends?

Talk is cheap. Action speaks louder than words.

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Actually, existing in western WA state, our TP group has been infiltrated liberaltarian’s aka Paulbots.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Hey, Boehner! Care to tell us about Senate Bill 1813? How long is it? More than a page long you so promised us all? How about financial gimmicks that back load expenditures, you know, same way HusseinCare does? Or how about bills having no tacked on bills/provisions to keep them simple and on point?

You want US to fix things when it is YOU that has been screwing us all all this time.

Where is Ryan and his frigging calculator in this bad bill? Ryan wants to start cutting expenses, now is his chance. SHOW US. Not later. NOW. Follow up with eliminating subsidies to farmers, anyone not making profit should quit the business. Any business, government should not dictate who stays in business or who should not. You know, like Hussein has been doing with green jobs, banks an oil ($2B payback to Soros while domestic production is cut).

You guys want to slash student loan rates? GREAT! In a sperate bill. One pager. As promised.

What the hell do you people in Congress do all day long? Lunches are no more than a 3-4 hours, even for you, where does the rest of the time go?

About time we have someone like Gowdy or West as Speaker.

You, Mr. Boehner, are worthless.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Actually, existing in western WA state, our TP group has been infiltrated liberaltarian’s aka Paulbots.

Mr. Arrogant on July 2, 2012 at 7:54 PM

So what? Don’t surrender before the fight begins, or don’t you believe your command of the issues could sway these poor people who are loking for someone to support in November?

Sir, at the MIGOP Convention I was fortunate enough to get the chance to discuss politics with one group of Ron Paul supporters, and I remain quite satisfied with the encounter. You see, while they, like the TEA Party, are often maligned as being right wing nuts they too are decent reasoning people looking for the chance to fight for the American way of life.

I wish I were an accomplished word smith so I could accurately relay how REWARDING it is to work to change the minds and hearts of people that usually actually agree with you. I would love to share with you the great feeling received when winning an election worth winning.

DannoJyd on July 2, 2012 at 8:34 PM

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