Boehner: We need to rip ObamaCare out by the roots

posted at 12:01 pm on July 2, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

How committed are Republicans to repeal in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold ObamaCare in its entirety on Thursday? John Boehner answered that question on CBS’ Face the Nation yesterday, pledging to rip ObamaCare out “by its roots.”  Only then, the House Speaker told CBS, can Congress and (presumably) a new President address rational and meaningful health-insurance reform in a way that doesn’t put the federal government in control of the entire industry.  However, the interview shows the difficulty of making this case without a plan to protect some of the more popular parts of the ObamaCare bill (via The Hill and Instapundit):

House Speaker John Boehner vowed on Sunday to repeal the Affordable Care Act, saying the law, which the Supreme Court ruled as being constitutional this week, should be “ripped out by its roots.”

“This has to be ripped out by its roots,” Boehner said in an interview on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “This is government taking over the entire health industry. The American people do not want to go down this path. It has to be ripped out and we need to start over one step at a time.

Boehner said that once the entire law is repealed, lawmakers can discuss individual measures. “We can have a common sense debate about which ought to stay and which ought to go,” he said.

Expect to hear these questions frequently as Republicans go on offense over the ObamaCare-tax issue.  Broken down into individual components, some of ObamaCare is very popular, including some mentioned by the CBS interviewer.  Republicans will eventually need to have a plan to address those points; Boehner mentions the Ryan plan, which was a big step in the right direction, for instance.  However, we can probably look forward to a few months of relative silence on alternatives while the GOP beats up Obama and Democrats for their ObamaCare-tax plan.

That’s just politics, but it’s also a missed opportunity.  The big problem in the Obama approach was the lack of diversity and competition in insurance plans.  Most people with pre-existing conditions could qualify for catastrophic health insurance and use HSAs to cover their routine medical care.  I have both a chronic thyroid issue and Type II diabetes, both of which would make it difficult for me to qualify for comprehensive plans, but both of those are fairly easy to cover out-of-pocket for much less than the annual cost of a comprehensive plan.  For younger adults who are usually very healthy, comprehensive plans make no sense whatsoever; they cost upward of $3500 a year, and most of these won’t get more than $200-$300 worth of benefits from it.  They would save themselves money by going the same route — a combination of inexpensive catastrophic coverage with HSAs that use pre-tax income to fund occasional doctor visits and prescription medication costs.

Furthermore, getting insurers out of the routine medical care business would help promote more diversity in the insurance pool and the provider pool.  Providers would be forced to compete on costs at the retail level, driving down the actual cost of most medical care, and creating pressure for innovation.  Resources in risk pools could be concentrated on hospitalization and much more rare issues of chronic illness, returning the health-insurance industry to a risk management system rather than HMOs by other names.  The reduction in government intervention means that public resources can focus solely on safety-net programs — and most of those could and should be managed by states, not the federal government.

If Republicans really want to win this health-care argument for the next generation, they will need to make an argument for free-market-based reforms as above.  They missed the opportunity to win this in 2001-6, when the GOP could have pre-empted Democrats and prevented an ObamaCare imposition.  If they do pull up ObamaCare “by the roots,” they’d better be prepared this time to deal with the clunky and costly third-party-payer system, or they won’t get another chance.

In his new book The Great Destroyer: Barack Obama’s War on the Republic, David Limbaugh warns what happens if Republicans fail to take advantage of their opportunity to replace Obama as President:

President Obama has repeatedly revealed his impatience with our Constitution’s separation of powers and its checks and balances, lamenting that democracy is sometimes “messy” and frustrating. He just wants the other branches to get out of his way, because he can’t allow a silly inconvenience like the Constitution to obstruct his utopian vision for America.

Obama and his allies have repeatedly broadcast their intentions in this regard. His former chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, promised that Obama would govern through “executive orders and directives to get the job done across a front of issues.” Obama told NBC News anchor Brian Williams in August 2010 that his “next two years” as president would be much more about “implementation” and “management” than “constant legislation.” “What I’m not gonna do is wait for Congress,” he baldly proclaimed in an interview on 60 Minutes. And in January 2012, frustrated with a GOP Congress that properly refused to rubber-stamp his destructive agenda, he said, “But when Congress refuses to act, and as a result, hurts our economy and puts our people at risk, then I have an obligation as President to do what I can without them. I’ve got an obligation to act on behalf of the American people. And I’m not going to stand by while a minority in the Senate puts party ideology ahead of the people that we were elected to serve.”

Obama implements his power-grabs through administrative usurpations of legislative power, executive overreaches, and unconstitutional legislation, assisted by the many radical, unaccountable czars he has appointed. In his failed jobs bill (the “American Jobs Act”), he sought to create a new group of czars (the American Infrastructure Financing Authority) to manage more than a trillion dollars of taxpayer money for infrastructure improvements—authority that already resides with the Department of Transportation, the Department of Energy, and the U.S. General Services Administration.5 Columnist Lurita Doan notes that the

White House has also assembled an expansive new cadre of unaccountable White House liaison officers who “seem to be the critical players in so many of the scandals now erupting.” Working under the authority of Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, these officers are largely “unqualified and inexperienced” and are “embedded into every single federal agency.” Obama reportedly didn’t have contact with a half dozen cabinet members during his first two years in office,6 he rarely meets with his real, Senate-confirmed cabinet members, and increasingly relies on his czars and junior staffers who insulate him from contact with the public.

Try to imagine what types of overreaches he would attempt if he were re-elected. I have no doubt that if he wins in November, America will be destined to pass the point of no return in its headlong rush to Grecian-style bankruptcy, European socialism on steroids, national weakness, and the end of American freedom as we know it. It will be little comfort to be vindicated in these predictions, because that would mean that our generation had squandered the glorious legacy of freedom bequeathed to us by our parents and grandparents, and that we would have stolen from our children and grandchildren this same wondrous legacy.

It is still not too late to save America and restore her to a path of greatness, of robust liberty, and of economic prosperity. But I fear it is not hyperbole to suggest that it very well may be too late if we don’t end this madness in November 2012 by voting Barack Obama out of office. God bless all you patriots fighting for the survival and continued greatness of this nation. God bless the most wonderful Constitution “ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man,” and God bless this American Republic.

I tend to be a little more optimistic, but one thing is true: this is the last opportunity we will have to repeal ObamaCare. If Obama wins a second term, ObamaCare will go into effect, and it will be nearly impossible to reverse it in 2016 or later.


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We need to rip ObamaCare out by the roots

Even better. (Of course, I’m speaking figuratively.)

KS Rex on July 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Then do it….
STAT!

Electrongod on July 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM

You back down EVERY SINGLE TIME. You need to be replaced. Shut up and don’t cry.

Oil Can on July 2, 2012 at 12:04 PM

I’ll believe it when I see it happen. In God we trust, all others must provide proof.

rcpjr on July 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM

uh, no you drunken coward, we need to rip you and all the other squishy rino bastards out by the roots. and you can rip that g-d damn rainbow flag out by it’s roots, and you can rip all these lazy ILLEGAL ALIENS out by their roots as well.

i feel better now. HAPPY 4TH EVERYONE!!!!

GhoulAid on July 2, 2012 at 12:06 PM

“Roots” ????

That would be RACIST !!! RACIST !!!

viking01 on July 2, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Then do it….
STAT!

H’mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm you mean like on 11 July for the scheduled vote and thence up to Reid’s Senate and then onto Obama’s White House…YES OF COURSE, it’s Boehner’s fault we haven’t repealed Obama Care! He cries too much!

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

They missed the opportunity to win this in 2001-6, when the GOP could have pre-empted Democrats and prevented an ObamaCare imposition.

the GOP isn’t interested in reforming healthcare. They’re perfectly happy with the status quo. As long as *they* & their families have health insurance.

lostmotherland on July 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Because it is a regressive tax Obama hates the middle class and the poor. Basta. This is the message the right needs to pound into the stream. Plus, that it is a Tax. The SC said so, even if Roberts had to invent the language in the law, a stupic and unforgivable precedent.

Back to Obama.

75% of the calamity will have to be financed by those making 120,000/yr, or less. He is not only a big Liar. He is a Charlatan who must be mocked out of town in Nov.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

White House has also assembled an expansive new cadre of unaccountable White House liaison officers who “seem to be the critical players in so many of the scandals now erupting.” Working under the authority of Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, these officers are largely “unqualified and inexperienced” and are “embedded into every single federal agency

Romney’s second order of business after signing the legislation that Repeals Obamatax needs to be firing every single person that King Barry hired.

Kataklysmic on July 2, 2012 at 12:08 PM

uh, no you drunken coward, we need to rip you and all the other squishy rino bastards out by the roots. and you can rip that g-d damn rainbow flag out by it’s roots, and you can rip all these lazy ILLEGAL ALIENS out by their roots as well.

i feel better now. HAPPY 4TH EVERYONE!!!!

freedom for me but not for thee…

lostmotherland on July 2, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Um…….
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-daily-rundown/48042921#48042921

libfreeordie on July 2, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Yep, the gift that keeps on giving…to the left.

The right simply never knows how to argue, even if they are given gifts on a platinum platter.

Good luck to the land.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Three words come to mind:

Tea Party Patriots!

Because they hate TAX INCREASES.

Rovin on July 2, 2012 at 12:10 PM

I have a cheap suit.

It folds easily.

I’m sending it to Boehner.

I have no doubt he’ll use it.

WisRich on July 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM

the GOP isn’t interested in reforming healthcare. They’re perfectly happy with the status quo. As long as *they* & their families have health insurance.

lostmotherland on July 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

And the Dems just want to ruin healthcare with this O-Care monstrosity.

Bitter Clinger on July 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Democrats in Congress drink bottled water. The Republicans in Congress drink the Estrogen laced tap water. That is the only thing that makes any sense.

meci on July 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Well, the Republicans need to do dog & pony shows showing what ObamaCare
WILL COST THEM…..

Remember the Town Halls before ObamaCare???

The effort will need to be 8 fold to make an impact….

Repeal the ObamaTAX should be the 2012 slogan.

redguy on July 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Romney’s second order of business after signing the legislation that Repeals Obamatax needs to be firing every single person that King Barry hired.

Kataklysmic on July 2, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Good Kat, first he has to win.

If he continues to argue, like he did in the vid libfreeordie provided, good luck. They are simply stupid.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM

I agree but quite frankly Mr. speaker, we can’t trust you. I’d prefer to leave this task to the states.

Charlemagne on July 2, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Boehner could have done a lot more to stymie Obama, and specifically on Obamacare, and has refused to do so.

And he is *easily* the most conservative out of the Republican big three – including McConnell and Romney.

Expect that the Republicans will make no serious effort to overturn Obamacare even if they will all three elected elements of the government – because really, why would they? They have *no* fear that they will be turned out for betraying conservatives.

18-1 on July 2, 2012 at 12:14 PM

All this guy does is go on shows like this or on the radio with Hannity or Ingraham and spouts “we’ve gotta do this” and “we’ve gotta do that.” Well just freakin’ do it already cry baby. Don’t go on Twitter or FB and bitch and complain about Obama and the HC bill. Go out and find the sense of urgency somewhere down deep in your little finger, find the nearest mountain top, and start screaming!!

Hawkerflyer on July 2, 2012 at 12:14 PM

The GOP will use this as an election issue, then once elected, it will cease to have any value, and will instead become a liability. At that point, the GOP start to tell America that Obamacare just needs to be tweaked. Then after a while, they will tweak this or that, and Obamacare will stand – even under a GOP government.

None of FDR’s socialism was ever rolled back. None of LBJ’s socialism was ever rolled back. And none of BHO’s socialism will ever be rolled back. Socialism in the west is not just a racket, it’s a ratchet. It only goes in one direction because both parties have their own uses for it.

keep the change on July 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Talk is cheap. Do it.

Get a vote in the House, and then McConnell HAS TO force a Senate vote – he needs to find a procedural mechanism to sidestep Reid’s inevitable stonewalling.

We know O’Butthead will veto it, but we want Dems’ votes on record in both the House & Senate – the Senate is the key in November. Have them frame it as a tax – not a ta-penalty – and see how many Dems vote for it then.

Better yet, attach a bill that O’Butthead really wants to it.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on July 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM

You back down EVERY SINGLE TIME. You need to be replaced. Shut up and don’t cry.

I used to think Republican leaders were just incompetent, as failure after failure rolled in.

But reflecting on it further, it isn’t failure. It has happened to many times to chalk up to making mistakes in any single fight

Putting up a show before knuckling under the left is *exactly* what the Republican establishment wants.

18-1 on July 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Good Kat, first he has to win.

If he continues to argue, like he did in the vid libfreeordie provided, good luck. They are simply stupid.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Indeed. Don’t misunderstand. Prior to this ruling, I would have put Romney’s odds to win at 50-50. Now I put them at 40%

Kataklysmic on July 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM

I don’t trust Boehner to back up his tough talk. If someone “got to” John Roberts, Boehner is at least as vulnerable to not following through on what needs to be done.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 12:17 PM

In 1969, Elisabeth Kübler-Ross proposed that there are five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. In the wake of John Roberts’s incoherent Supreme Court flip-floppery, most conservatives appear to find themselves in stage 1 (“Hey, we held the line on the Commerce Clause!”) or stage 2 (“Roberts is a traitor!”). There are some in stage 3 (“If we lay off Roberts, maybe he’ll help us out in the future?”) and a few in stage 4. But the reality is this: Republicans must run the table in November or we will all have to accept the permanence of Obamacare.

Well, to get to stage 5 one has to have a coherent leader, one with a message so firm and steady, in the face of the impertinent left.

Therein lies everything. West could do it. The current crowd, Boehner/McConnell included, Mitt too, are wimps, wussies, incoherent idiots, compared to the Chicago charlatanry. It’s almost enough to go to stage 4, were it not for the intensity of stage 2.

It’s a tax. The SC said so. You are taxing the middle class and the poor because it’s a regressive tax. You, in spite of your lies, hate the middle class and the poor. You lied throuh your teeth. here are the tapes to prove it….

…instead Mitt says “it’s a penalty”. It’s enough to make one go nuts, would one not alreay know how he is.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Boehner: We need to rip ObamaCare out by the roots

What do you think the 2010 elections were all about, you dumbsh!t?

You had a handful of debt-limit increases that the left HAD TO HAVE in which to do this. But you surrendered to the America-hating dems and got NOTHING in return for raising the debt limit over and over (except that you okayed a devastating hacking of defense spending in the last one) you crybaby, cowardly piece of sh!t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Better yet, attach a bill that O’Butthead really wants to it.

If Boehner was serious, EVERY DAMN BILL they passed would have an Obamacare repeal attached to it.

Reid will refuse to allow a vote on it, sure.

Then every bill will sit waiting in conference committee until the Democrats cry uncle. They need more federal pork, we don’t.

Note that Boehner has refused to do this.

18-1 on July 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Kat, only Reince Priebus has been arguing it to perfection.

I hate our side with greater intensity than the other. The others are thugs and charlatans. But they know how to win.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM

JFKY was seems strangely knee-jerk defensive of any and all criticism of the feckless Beltway GOP.
Perhaps JFKY is either a member of or somehow closely associated with said country-club ruling class.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Indeed. Don’t misunderstand. Prior to this ruling, I would have put Romney’s odds to win at 50-50. Now I put them at 40%

Kataklysmic on July 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Expect, like I am, to hated around here, for telling them the truth. Meh.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:21 PM

If Obama wins a second term, ObamaCare will go into effect, and it will be nearly impossible to reverse it in 2016 or later.

This is a fine rallying point for the election this November, but I don’t think it is true.

If Obama is reelected and this monstrosity goes into full effect, it is going to be an umitigated disaster. Premiums will skyrocket for everyone, amd the mandate won’t produce any new customers for the insurance companies because everyone will pay the tax. And costs to the federal government will also skyrocket, necessitating either massive additions to the national debt, tax increases that will not pass in the House, or massive cuts in other programs. The budget brawls we have been through in the last 3 years will look like child’s play.

In fact, there will be only a very narrow group of people who will be better off once Obamacare gois into full effect. The vast majority of Americans wil be worse off, and furious.

This will be Obama’s Iraq war if he is reelected. By the time he is done in 2016, his popularity will be at 25% if he is lucky. The public will be clamoring for Obamacare to be repealed. Republicans will end up with a 60-vote majority in the Senate in 2017.

rockmom on July 2, 2012 at 12:21 PM

If Obama or Romney wins, ObamaCare will go into effect, and it will be nearly impossible to reverse it in 2016 or later.

FTFY

18-1 on July 2, 2012 at 12:23 PM

If Boehner was serious, EVERY DAMN BILL they passed would have an Obamacare repeal attached to it.

Reid will refuse to allow a vote on it, sure.

Then every bill will sit waiting in conference committee until the Democrats cry uncle. They need more federal pork, we don’t.

Note that Boehner has refused to do this.

18-1 on July 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM

What would be the point of such theater? The fact is that Obamacare will not be repealed as long as Harry Reid is Senate Majority Leader.

rockmom on July 2, 2012 at 12:23 PM

rockmom on July 2, 2012 at 12:21 PM

This is all true, but aside from this, there will be no land to care for when he’s done with her.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:24 PM

the GOP isn’t interested in reforming healthcare. They’re perfectly happy with the status quo. As long as *they* & their families have health insurance.

lostmotherland on July 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Actually you’re nearer to the truth than you realize.

Conservatives are not interested in “reforming” health insurance for the vast majority of the populace who are already happy with their current level of care and coverage.

Now obviously we should do something for the poor and unfortunate that fall through the cracks, but that is a much easier problem to manage than to rehaul the entire system.

The fact that the Libs want to modify the way I get my health insurance (and am happy with it!) proves that their agenda is more focused on power than on compassion.

PackerBronco on July 2, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Putting up a show before knuckling under the left is *exactly* what the Republican establishment wants.

This.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Working under the authority of Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, these officers are largely “unqualified and inexperienced” and are “embedded into every single federal agency.

5 year plans and now Political Officers. You sure he wasn’t farmed out to the USSR while mommy dearest was in Indonesia.

chemman on July 2, 2012 at 12:25 PM

18-1 on July 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM

They should just not fund many portions of it. However, the weasels even removed Keystone from the student loan bill. These must all be thrown out in Nov, with the exception of very few. They all scroom you, royally, while claiming to represent you.

The wrath in Nov. s/b unleashed against the entire congress and Obama.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:26 PM

I have a cheap suit.

It folds easily.

I’m sending it to Boehner.

I have no doubt he’ll use it.

WisRich on July 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Hmmmm… He’s got so many by now that he runs a business renting them out to other GOP members of the House.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 12:29 PM

What would be the point of such theater? The fact is that Obamacare will not be repealed as long as Harry Reid is Senate Majority Leader.

As I stated, the left needs pork like the transportation bill, we don’t.

Making the left choose inflicts a political price on them. Not only is this smart politics, not only does this indicate a real willingess to overturn Obamacare, it will drive elements of the leftist coalition against each other.

Union thugs don’t care about Obamacare – they do care about more federal dollars.

Stop making things as easy as possible for the left.

18-1 on July 2, 2012 at 12:30 PM

People such as Mr. Boehner are part of the reason we as Republicans are in this position.

He is superficial, appears shallow in his knowledge of the subject, not very adept at expressing the alternatives, is out of touch with what most people want- or what their issues are, doesn’t give a good impression when he speaks extemporaneously and does not ultimately seem committed to the same objectives as most Republicans.

Ultimately, the problem is the messenger, not the message. Boehner really needs to get out of the way and let someone else lead. That would be for someone who actually believes in the righteousness and the positive benefits which will accumulate from our position on healthcare. NOT someone who is a political opportunist trying to balance the forces of his party, voters looking to jettison Mr. Obama and other forces to score political victories which he will walk back later on under the guise, yes guise, of compromise and being “reasonable”.

In short, Boehner is an empty vessel.

Marcus Traianus on July 2, 2012 at 12:30 PM

They should just not fund many portions of it.

That is another option.

People don’t seem to understand – the House of Representatives is the most powerful institution, at least in terms of constitutionally derived powers, in the US government.

Boehner, if he so choose, could remake the government in a more conservative manner whatever Obama and Reid do.

Another example – divide the budget into separate bills. Send spending you want to the Senate and President. After he signs them, don’t generate spending bills for things you don’t want. You could take a cleaver to discretionary spending this way, and there is almost nothing the Democrats could do.

But Boehner won’t do it, because he doesn’t want to.

18-1 on July 2, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I agree with ALL of you! Boehner, Mitt they are all hopeless…we’re DOOMED! I’ve decided to vote Obama. You’ve convinced me, with all this relentless Eeyore-ism and Defeatism, you’ve done it, you’ve converted me. We’ve lost….Happy now? In fact, why are ANY of you complaining, I’d sign up for all the Obama Cash/Stash I could, because as you Solons have pointed out, it’s not going to be repealed, so why fight?

When you start a game convinced you can’t win, your coaches stink, and the players are on the take, not surprisingly your team doesn’t win all that often. I hope you all pull for your sports teams better than you pull for your political team.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Who among us ever draws comfort from the lip service John Boehner and Mitch McConnell pay on the Sunday morning shows to how they’ll fight for us?

A show of hands?

Are these entrenched Beltway Boys ever really up for the fight? It’s not like they’re ever really affected when they lose these battles, or inevitably strike “grand bargains” on them.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 12:33 PM

As I stated, the left needs pork like the transportation bill, we don’t.

You’re an idiot then….POLITICIANS need pork, in the Transportation and Agriculture Bills, and don’t fool yourself, about one party needing it more than the other…
And YOU might need that “pork” too…unless you have one of those Blade Runner Flying Cars.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Guess we won’t be seeing any commercials from the RNC about Obamacare being a TAX, TAX, TAX.

While Congressional Republicans have seized on the Supreme Court’s ruling that President Obama’s health care overhaul is constitutional as a tax, presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s top campaign strategist undercut that line of argument Monday, saying that the governor agrees with Mr. Obama that the law is not a tax.

“The governor has consistently described the mandate in Massachusetts as a penalty,” Eric Fehrnstrom, Mr. Romney’s strategist, said on MSNBC.

PappyD61 on July 2, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Romney’s second order of business after signing the legislation that Repeals Obamatax needs to be firing every single person that King Barry hired.

Kataklysmic on July 2, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Also, go back and find the one’s Clinton hired and Bush left in place.

Night Owl on July 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM

…people with pre-existing conditions could qualify for catastrophic health insurance and use HSAs to cover their routine medical care.

The problem with pre-existing condition insurance is not that it is not available. In 95% of cases the problem is that it IS available but that it is so expensive that the customer thinks that someone else should pay for it.

We need some accurate statistics on the mythical ‘uninsurable’, and the absence of that data tells me that it doesn’t make the case that the proggies are trying to sell us on.

slickwillie2001 on July 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM

The wrath in Nov. s/b unleashed against the entire congress and Obama.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:26 PM

And how is one to throw morons such as Boehner out of Congress when GOP primaries are already done with for the most part and candidates for General ballots picked?

Roberts’ decision wasn’t just bad for the decision itself, TIMING of the release was even worse, IMO. Not sure Romney would survive in primaries had the decision been rendered 2-3 months earlier.

The video link above is hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic. “No, we had a penalty in MA under RomneyCare”. “Oh, OK, let play this video of Romney from 2008 where he clearly calls t TAX”. “Well, every state is different…”

Romney’s entire team is nothing but liars and flip-floppers, they don’t even apologize when caught openly lying on camera, just llike their capo.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM

They’ll cave.

curved space on July 2, 2012 at 12:39 PM

You and your extablishment friends, on both sides of your so-called friendly aisle, need to be taken out at the roots.

ahlaphus on July 2, 2012 at 12:40 PM

and don’t fool yourself, about one party needing it more than the other…

We in my reference is conservatives. Conservative != Republicans, or you apparently.

And yes, we as a country could by perfectly well without another transportation or agricultural bill.

There is a role for the federal government in infrastructure, but that is but a minor aspect of anything the government does anymore.

18-1 on July 2, 2012 at 12:40 PM

There’s a reason why the Legislative branch is set up in Article I of the Constitution, and the Executive branch in Article II. You’d think that a “Constitutional Schollar” like our benevolent god-king would know that.

crazy_legs on July 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM

lostmotherland on July 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Tell us again who passed OTaxacare and who voted to exempt themselves from it. I don’t remember a single Republican vote in either house of Congress.

“Math is hard, science is harder and research is hardest of all”

“You are entitled to you opinion but you aren’t entitled to your own facts” RR

chemman on July 2, 2012 at 12:42 PM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/flashback-obama-in-08-hit-hillary-clinton-for-health-care-penalty/

Barry was against “penalty” before he was for it.

bayview on July 2, 2012 at 12:43 PM

because as you Solons have pointed out, it’s not going to be repealed, so why fight?

Quite the contrary. We want to see some fight in our “leaders”, instead of the “comity” the Beltway GOP seems to specialize in.

When you start a game convinced you can’t win, your coaches stink, and the players are on the take, not surprisingly your team doesn’t win all that often. I hope you all pull for your sports teams better than you pull for your political team.

1) I’m glad you have so much trust in our leaders in Washington. What exactly, have they ever done to earn your trust (unless you are, indeed, one of them)?

2) My job isn’t to “pull for my political team.” I’m concerned about my country, my freedoms and what liberty will be left when my young kids grow up. I could give two squats about my “political team” compared to these priorities. Is your “political team” more important than these things?

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Boehner likes to talk, talk, talk. When it comes time to walk, walk, walk, all he does is balk, balk, balk.

OhioCoastie on July 2, 2012 at 12:44 PM

I have a cheap suit.

It folds easily.

I’m sending it to Boehner.

I have no doubt he’ll use it.

WisRich on July 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM
Hmmmm… He’s got so many by now that he runs a business renting them out to other GOP members of the House.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 12:29 PM

They’ve all got so many that they should store them on the $2 card table (next to the house of cards that are a couple of Aces short of a full deck).

DrAllecon on July 2, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Well Mr. Speaker, I’ll wager you follow this up with a…

…strongly worded memo….

ToddPA on July 2, 2012 at 12:45 PM

SwampYankee on July 2, 2012 at 12:34 PM

You are assuming that the GOP can hold all their senators in line. Some of them just might break ranks.

chemman on July 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Boehner: We need to rip ObamaCare my crying fanny out by the roots

…we need something else ^ Bonehead! ^

KOOLAID2 on July 2, 2012 at 12:50 PM

They should just not fund many portions of it.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 12:26 PM

What they should really be voting for on July 11th first and foremost is to defund IRS of any and all costs associated with HusseinCare support/police. Send a message right away.

And as someone above already stated, append repeal of HusseinCare TAXES, all 21 of them, leave the rest of the law alone (for now). On top of forcing Reid to table each and every bill coming out of the House it will also allow GOP to say, “Well, we’re only against TAXES in the bill”.

Hammer that TAXES message each and every day, every hour of the day would even be better. There is a while bunch of GOPers in Congress, first thing out of every mouth should TAXES!

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Roberts has created a perfect opportunity for ObamaCare to stay forever.

He had no reason to do that except to show his “genius.”

If Roberts had been General Meade at day three a Gettysburg, just as Pickett’s charge began, he would have a sudden genius fit and would have ordered Hancock to retreat while Cemetery Ridge and Little Round Top were abandoned so that the Army of the Potomac could set up a better line of defense just outside Washington, DC.

jimw on July 2, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Romney’s second order of business after signing the legislation that Repeals Obamatax needs to be firing every single person that King Barry hired.

Kataklysmic on July 2, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Wrong. Romney’s first order of business would be to hire the most persistent and dogged Atty Gen available on the political market. His second order of business would be to instruct his staff to place a hefty acquisition order for orange apparel with stainless-steel bracelet accessories. All that has to be done is while the Congress and the Senate squabble whether the new law should say “repealed in its entirety” or “rolled in and shoved up Nancy Pelosi’s arse”.

Archivarix on July 2, 2012 at 12:52 PM

John Boehner’s idea of showing strength: “Oh yeah? Well ….I’ll show YOU. So, so, so THERE!”

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 12:54 PM

The attitude that Obamacare must be replaced not just removed means at minimum Obama will dominate the agenda long after he is gone. The issue will be thew federal government’s constitutional responsibility and power to provide affordable health care insurance for all Americans.

Contrast that with what the Republican Party did to change the domestic political landscape in favor of their supporters and alleged values when they last had all the levers of power in their hands under George W. Bush: nothing.

David Blue on July 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Does anybody know who mandated insurance could not be traded across state lines and who still supports it? That ObamaTax does exactly what we have never been able to do is strange.

DanMan on July 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Love the tough talk from the Speaker but will it be supported by and followed up with tough ACTION?

stukinIL4now on July 2, 2012 at 1:02 PM

The attitude that Obamacare must be replaced not just removed means at minimum Obama will dominate the agenda long after he is gone. The issue will be thew federal government’s constitutional responsibility and power to provide affordable health care insurance for all Americans.

David Blue on July 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM

You have it partly right. Our Republican party wants to replace. Just as there is nothing in the Constitution that forces you to own a gun, there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the Feds the responsibility to provide health care insurance for all Americans. No where.

What happens if we have a run-away Republican administration and Congress and suddenly you are penalized for not owning a gun? Is that a tax? Will you do it? This is a dangerous world. Chances are you would be safer and eventually need a gun to protect yourself.

Same exact argument.

oldroy on July 2, 2012 at 1:08 PM

riddick,

Absolutely. Defund the damn thing, in part or in whole. Boehner’s stupid political theater isn’t fooling anyone anymore.

Mike Honcho on July 2, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Love the tough talk from the Speaker but will it be supported by and followed up with tough ACTION?

stukinIL4now on July 2, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Well, JFKY sure thinks so. But I suspect he may be a staffer in Boehner’s office.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Wrong. Romney’s first order of business would be to hire the most persistent and dogged Atty Gen available on the political market.

Archivarix on July 2, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Giuliani.

Kataklysmic on July 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM

As you may recall, the destruction of the tea at the Boston Tea Party was an act of violent protest against both the British Crown as well as to the East India Company, which held the monopoly on all the tea that the colonists were forced to buy.

There was no ‘free market’ in tea. The colonists were compelled to buy only the tea supplied by the Crown and its aristo-owned subsidiary, the East India Company. Thus, both the Crown and the Company profited from the monopoly.

Additionally, due to the Currency Acts of 1751, 1764, and 1773, colonial scrip was no longer used as a mechanism of payment for the tax and the tea, thus squeezing the money supply of British Pounds, gold and silver, and Spanish Dollars.

To quote Ben Franklin:

All debts public and private could only be paid with “proper” English money, but the issuance of it into circulation in the colonies was stringently controlled by the Bank of England. Benjamin Franklin described the result:
“In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to the extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed.”
Source: The Silver Bomb, [McDonald & Whitestone]

The result of all this pre-Revolution taxation abuse was the inculcation into our Constitution the notion of limited taxation powers granted to Congress, in three forms only:

1. A direct tax, which must be apportioned,
2. An indirect tax [such as an excise or 'event-oriented' tax] which is voluntary, like a sales tax.
and
3. by the 16th Amendment, an Income Tax.

By judicial fiat, the Roberts Court has created and conferred an extra-Constitutional unlimited taxation power upon the Congress.

This new power is exactly like the taxing power of old; the power of applying a mandatory, non-apportioned direct tax upon all citizens, based upon an indirect-tax construct, that enriches a set of private, government-sanctioned monopolies as well as the government itself, and sets up a bureaucracy that can freely grant exceptions and immunities to politically connected favorites.

The lawless injustice of the Roberts decision and its future destructive consequences are immeasurable.

Beyond the scope of the Affordable Care Act [ACA], is now the standing taxing authority granted to Congress to duplicate this taxing methodology to any part of human behavior that can be imagined.

The ballot box is now considered the mechanism that can be best used to reverse an out-of-control and lawless government bent upon trashing the Constitution.

But even with Conservative and principled office holders, a stretch for all, the Roberts decision would still stand, and our Republic would remain damaged and altered.

A Constitutional Amendment to correct this offense would be inadequate, since the Roberts Court has thrown the Rule of Law into the gutter. There was no– and is no– authority for Roberts to do what he did, yet he did it; and it is now considered “law”.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I’m sending it to Boehner.

I have no doubt he’ll use it.

WisRich on July 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM

A lawnchair might be a better gift.

dogsoldier on July 2, 2012 at 1:16 PM

By judicial fiat, the Roberts Court has created and conferred an extra-Constitutional unlimited taxation power upon the Congress.

This new power is exactly like the taxing power of old; the power of applying a mandatory, non-apportioned direct tax upon all citizens, based upon an indirect-tax construct, that enriches a set of private, government-sanctioned monopolies as well as the government itself, and sets up a bureaucracy that can freely grant exceptions and immunities to politically connected favorites.

The lawless injustice of the Roberts decision and its future destructive consequences are immeasurable.

Beyond the scope of the Affordable Care Act [ACA], is now the standing taxing authority granted to Congress to duplicate this taxing methodology to any part of human behavior that can be imagined.

The ballot box is now considered the mechanism that can be best used to reverse an out-of-control and lawless government bent upon trashing the Constitution.

But even with Conservative and principled office holders, a stretch for all, the Roberts decision would still stand, and our Republic would remain damaged and altered.

A Constitutional Amendment to correct this offense would be inadequate, since the Roberts Court has thrown the Rule of Law into the gutter. There was no– and is no– authority for Roberts to do what he did, yet he did it; and it is now considered “law”.

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM

But but but but….if its a tax, that’s good right? That’s what everyone keeps saying….

oldroy on July 2, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Well, JFKY sure thinks so. But I suspect he may be a staffer in Boehner’s office.
Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 1:11 PM

No, I’m with you guyz, we’re DOOMED, remember…read the thread the GOP is going to do NOTHING, so I’m signing up with the WINNERS. And if you bunch of LOSERZ had half a brain, or listened to yourselves, you would to.

So which is it Hot Air, is Boehner too weak to do anything, and so why are you complaining, since you obviously have given up; just lie back and accept it OR are you going to fight? Because fighting doesn’t mean insulting Boehner, it means making useful suggestions about what can be done…

BTW, no trying to kill either the Ag or Transportation Bill is NOT a useful suggestion, because EVERY Congress Person and their constituents benefit from them, and killing them will simply make us look like hollow reeds. Because we WILL fail in that endeavour. So which way Hot Air, FORWARD or simply B!tching…..you know right now Hot Air sounds a LOT like France in 1940, “Nous sommes trahisI” (We were betrayed!) No you weren’t, you were out-fought and right now Hot Air sounds like it would rather b!tch and moan about Boehner and how we’re doomed than actually DO something.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Boehner and crew continue to be delusional. Obamacare is not going to be repealed even if the Repubs win both the Senate and Presidency. There are always just enough folks who cross over and make it so. Previously in the Senate it was Snowe and Collins. Now on the Supreme Court it was Roberts.

Next, after Obamacare, is “single Payer” where this whole charade has been heading in the first place. Government sponsored health care is collapsing with 48 million members in Medicare etc and another 79 million coming over the next 15 years. It is over folks. Obamacare is akin to the deck chairs on the Titanic.

But no worries, Boehner making threats make for great entertainment in the intervening years.

patrick neid on July 2, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Stop this O-TAX on America!

Or we’ll throw you out of office and vote in people who will.

profitsbeard on July 2, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Absolutely. Defund the damn thing, in part or in whole. Boehner’s stupid political theater isn’t fooling anyone anymore.

Mike Honcho on July 2, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Have no idea how Speaker of the House so easily forgets his duty number 1: control finances. How many Hussein Executive Orders were issued so far that defied every law in the book? Starting with the first one, not only should have Boehner called a vote on it, but a vote to defund the implementation. This would have sent a message to Hussein right away that any other future attempts to by-pass any law will be dealt with swiftly and won’t be implemented.

So far. Boehner and Co. has done nothing but support bad behavior, re-inforce it actually. And he’s bitching about it now? How adult of him.

With all the bruhaha of Fast and Furious one thing House MUST HAVE DONE was defund HHS until that time they support and execute all laws on books as they apply to patrolling our borders with Mexico and deportation of illegals.

After all, if HHS is not performing their job they surely don’t need the money and their salaries.

Boehner, what say you? Ryan? Cantor?

All crooks on par with liberals.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Schadenfreude on July 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Nice work Shade.

Kataklysmic on July 2, 2012 at 1:30 PM

The attitude that Obamacare must be replaced not just removed means at minimum Obama will dominate the agenda long after he is gone. The issue will be thew federal government’s constitutional responsibility and power to provide affordable health care insurance for all Americans.

David Blue on July 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Naah, the little trinkets in Obamacare that people actually like can be implemented very simply in one-page bills.

The democratics could have done that as well, but they added the trinkets just to garner support for the whole 2,700 page manure pile.

slickwillie2001 on July 2, 2012 at 1:30 PM

By the way, there have always been political operatives called “White House liaisons” in every federal agency. So this is nothing new. And there is a White House Cabniet Affairs office that is populated by political appointees whose job it is to keep the Cabinet in line with the President.

What is new in this Administration is all the Czars, and the almost total exclusion of the actual Cabinet members from policymaking and access to the President.

rockmom on July 2, 2012 at 1:31 PM

patrick neid on July 2, 2012 at 1:28 PM

But all those supposedly squishy Republicans voted against Obamacare in the first place. Scott Brown has promised to vote for repeal if he is reelected, and he has the toughest race in the country in a state that already has Romneycare. Susan Collins is from Maine, where the GOP Governor is already vowing not to implement Obamacare (and they have a failing version of it in Maine as well, which the Governor is working on replacing.) Mitch McConnell has vowed to repeal it and already promised to do it through reconciliation. And who says McConnell has to be GOP leader next time anyway, especially if the GOP takes control. I think he mioght be challenged by someone who will be more trustworthy on this.

rockmom on July 2, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Rockmom, because Patrick Neid and his ilk don’t want to fight, they want to COMPLAIN….Fighting might involve compromise, or take time, complaining is instant gratification. You see you can be RIGHT, but not have to DO anything about it, because we’re doomed…by Boehner, so it’s not even Neid’s fault, it’s someone ELSE’S fault….

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 1:43 PM

just lie back and accept it OR are you going to fight?

Holding his feet to this flame is our way of fighting.

What’s your way of fighting? Believing at face value everything a D.C. pol tells you on Sunday morning?

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 1:44 PM

What’s your way of fighting? Believing at face value everything a D.C. pol tells you on Sunday morning?

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Ouch. That’s going to leave a mark.

oldroy on July 2, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Holding his feet to this flame is our way of fighting.

Really point out where you’re holding his feet to the fire…I haven’t read it here, yet. Seems to me all this thread is people talking about Boehner/McConnell/Snowe folding and how they WON’T repeal….but if you’d care to point out where anyone is holding Boehner’s feet to the fire, I’ll listen.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 1:47 PM

We need to rip ObamaCare out by the roots Democrats a new one in 2012

Fixed.

UltimateBob on July 2, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Holding his feet to this flame is our way of fighting.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Prey tell us how. Did he lose his OH primary? No. Will he be replaced as Speaker come 2013? Hell, no! Unless you know something the rest of us don’t. Applies to McConnell in the Senate as well.

Just how do YOU and I force these morons to do anything? Let me know.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Just how do YOU and I force these morons to do anything? Let me know.
riddick on July 2, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Kinda like Tom Hayden with the Democrats, time, persuasion, money, primaries…politics.

JFKY on July 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM

the GOP isn’t interested in reforming healthcare. They’re perfectly happy with the status quo. As long as *they* & their families have health insurance.

lostmotherland on July 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Ahh yes… so the answer is to TAKE our family’s health insurance away and that will make you feel oh so much better!

dominigan on July 2, 2012 at 2:11 PM

freedom for me but not for thee…

lostmotherland on July 2, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Says the party of slavery, segregation and racism to the party of abolition, freedom and civil rights!

dominigan on July 2, 2012 at 2:15 PM

“This new power is exactly like the taxing power of old; the power of applying a mandatory, non-apportioned direct tax upon all citizens”

No, that isn’t so. If you don’t file a 1040, you don’t have the tax penalty and you have no broken any laws if you don’t make enough to be required to file a 1040.

crosspatch on July 2, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Just how do YOU and I force these morons to do anything? Let me know.

riddick on July 2, 2012 at 1:54 PM

You’re right. The best we can do is voice our complaints on Hot Air and with phone calls to D.C. that likely fall on deaf and drunk ears.

But others on this board think it’s better to just place blind faith in these insulated politicians who are much more concerned with what the N.Y. Times writes about them than they are with what their constituents need.

I sure can’t explain to you how or why Boehner wasn’t primaried.

Right Mover on July 2, 2012 at 2:18 PM

This is the last straw for me. I will watch these elections closely. If the GOP wins Congress and President, and don’t repeal Obamacare, it’s third party from now on out for me.

Decoski on July 2, 2012 at 2:20 PM

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