The Obama administration’s five-year drilling plan (hint: it’s underwhelming)

posted at 4:01 pm on June 30, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

On Thursday, the Obama administration unveiled its latest five-year oil-leasing plan, and I have to say, it looks pretty awesome — you know, as long as you’re not into creating jobs or economic growth or any other such silly material interests.

U.S. oil companies will be allowed to drill in more areas of the Gulf of Mexico but won only limited access to the Arctic under the final version of the Obama Administration’s five year drilling plan that was slammed by industry and some environmentalists.

The 2012-2017 plan calls for three potential lease sales in areas offshore Alaska but the auctions would not be held until the final years of the plan because of environmental concerns about operating in the Arctic. …

“Today, the Obama Administration has announced a bleak future for American energy production by keeping 85 percent of America’s offshore areas under lock and key and refusing to open any new areas to drilling,” said Doc Hastings, Republican chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee.

Why, why, why do we consistently take ourselves out of the game on the energy front? Worldwide demand for oil and gas is booming, and instead of taking advantage of our highly abundant natural resources and getting a hefty share of that market, we quixotically decide that we’re going to take some self-imagined high road and lead the world in the righteous quest for green energy. Drilling our own stuff would produce productive private-sector jobs, create wealth, and increase our energy security, all in one fell swoop — but because the environmental lobby gets its knickers in a twist over anything that doesn’t come from the Captain Planet earth-wind-fire-water-heart playbook, we all have to suffer.

Le sigh. Here are some of the interested parties’ opinions on the announcement:

“The Obama administration has demonstrated that they will not allow the safe and responsible development of oil and gas energy resources off of Virginia’s coast,” Republican Governor Bob McDonnell said in a statement. “Offshore energy exploration and development would mean thousands of new jobs and millions in new revenue.” …

“The government keeps promoting risky offshore drilling that jeopardizes the health of the entire Gulf and Arctic regions,” said Jacqueline Savitz, vice president for North America at environmental group Oceana. “This plan sets us up for another devastating oil spill, which endangers human lives, coastal economies and marine life.” …

“Our plan adopts a regionally tailored approach that accounts for the distinct needs of the different regions,” Salazar told reporters in Washington. “The plan takes into account the range of factors, like resource potential, status of development and emergency-response structure, regional interest, and the need for a balanced approach when it comes to the use of our natural resources.”

The Obama administration has had the perfect excuse to be stingy in their permitting every since the BP oil spill — and yes, the BP oil spill was a terrible disaster, as well as a monumental waste of everybody’s time, money, and effort. We should indeed work to make sure nothing like that ever happens again — but at what cost? It was very much a black-swan situation, and if you haven’t noticed, the Gulf Coast has been completely recovered (both economically and ecologically) for awhile now.

Our economy is in the hurt locker, and frankly, I think playing political games with America’s natural assets is about as inexcusable as it gets.


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“Today, the Obama Administration has announced a bleak future for American energy production by keeping 85 percent of America’s offshore areas under lock and key and refusing to open any new areas to drilling,” said Doc Hastings, Republican chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee.

My dear old Mom and Dad taught me not to hate. I freaking HATE these people, Sorry Mom and Dad.

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Like so many things, Drill where? Drill later. The 0 Energy Plan™

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Psst:

Obama is irrelevant.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:10 PM

This looks like a good place to reiterate massrighty’s 5 point energy independence policy.
1. Drill/mine extract every resource we have, wherever it is.
2. Build more refineries; we currently move raw product, and refined product, to and from refineries, often passing the point of consumption to do it. NOTE: this is inherently ‘green’ and should have the full support of all warmists.
3. All alternative fuels (wind/water/nuclear/solar/biomass) get fast-tracked past environmental objections. No more NIMBY. You want alternative energy; pay a price.
4. Nuclear now; I know it’s mentioned above, but it deserves its’ own mention. Don’t like fossil fuels – here’s an alternative. Shut up and take it.
5. Any current or future aid, assistance, money, loans to any OPEC country (I’m talking to you, Mexico!) will be renegotiated for substantial discounts. Be a partner, or screw!

massrighty on June 30, 2012 at 4:12 PM

They took it off You Tube, but it lives

ObamaSpill

OMG, I can’t believe I still have this!

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:12 PM

My dear old Mom and Dad taught me not to hate. I freaking HATE these people, Sorry Mom and Dad.

+100

But, I feel it is OK to hate evil! And if you don’t think the whole blooming bho/team are evil, well you are NUTS! bho/team are the MOST anti-American bunch to ever be in our Republic’s history, bar none!

Our only hope, give them the boot come Nov. elections! Simple as that and pray Mitt will be better? That is all we can do with what we have to work with?
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letget on June 30, 2012 at 4:21 PM

An administration still trying to look relevant when they’re about to be tsunamied. By the way, don’t commies come out with five year plans? Go ahead, keep acting like you’re gonna be there four months from now. Like to stick Salazar’s cowboy hat up his a$$.

msupertas on June 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Why do commies love 5 year plans and hate 4 year terms?

anikol on June 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM

A five year plan??? Where have I heard that…………..Sad we spent lots of national tresure to prevent that sort of thing, see how silly we were in our youth.

whbates on June 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Why, why, why do we consistently take ourselves out of the game on the energy front?

Because the DIMocrats are BEHOLDEN to the environmentalist whackos…

Reason 1,000,002 that the ELITIST DIMs need to be relegated onto the trash heap of history…

Khun Joe on June 30, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Our economy is in the hurt locker, and frankly, I think playing political games with America’s natural assets is about as inexcusable as it gets.

Yes. BO is the Dr. Kervorkian of the US economy, its Constitution and its people.

Dr. Death.

Cody1991 on June 30, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Cheap plentiful energy fuels our economy. It fuels freedom.

tom daschle concerned on June 30, 2012 at 4:23 PM

the Gulf Coast has been completely recovered (both economically and ecologically) for awhile now.

No it hasn’t. Gulf Oyster, Crab,and Shrimp fisheries haven’t ‘completely recovered’ by any measure no matter what someone at The Telegraph thinks. Those industries remain devastated which is why the costs to those industries are still being calculated.

lexhamfox on June 30, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Our only hope, give them the boot come Nov. elections! Simple as that and pray Mitt will be better? That is all we can do with what we have to work with?
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letget on June 30, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Romney will be good. We just need to get him elected.

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 4:25 PM

What would happen if the companies just started drilling?

mimi1220 on June 30, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Maybe dumbo should read this. Oh wait…that’s right….he hates America. So screw us.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shell-oil-former-president-offers-145600747.html

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Five year plan? Sounds familiar.

Mr. Prodigy on June 30, 2012 at 4:32 PM

The 2012-2017 plan calls for three potential lease sales in areas offshore Alaska but the auctions would not be held until the final years of the plan because of environmental concerns about operating in the Arctic. …

Five year plan to be reissued every three years…

Lottery on how many times the words “environmentally sensitive” or “delicate” are used?

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Good read. Thanks Erika.

As far as “those cost still being calculated” lex, let us know when the $20 billion runs out. There’s more that could be extorted I’m sure.

wolly4321 on June 30, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Is he payng your rent? Your electric bill? Putting gas in your car? Did you ever get promoted off the fryolater Julio? Receiving allowances from his stash?

Is your life perfected yet?

tom daschle concerned on June 30, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Those industries remain devastated which is why the costs to those industries are still being calculated.

lexhamfox on June 30, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Sources for this statement, which you present as fact?

massrighty on June 30, 2012 at 4:35 PM

What would happen if the companies just started drilling?

mimi1220 on June 30, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Maybe you would like to invest your capital, and face 10′s of thousands of dollars of fines daily for doing so? Good luck getting investors to do that.

whbates on June 30, 2012 at 4:36 PM

OT.. but a little reading of the taxes in Obamatax

http://m.atr.org/article.php?id=6996

Barred on June 30, 2012 at 4:37 PM

The Dems keep saying that the Republicans don’t have any plans to put people back to work, yet it is the Democrats who keep torpedoing tens of thousands of jobs with their lack of a reasonable energy policy.

DAT60A3 on June 30, 2012 at 4:40 PM

The Dems keep saying that the Republicans don’t have any plans to put people back to work, yet it is the Democrats who keep torpedoing tens of thousands of jobs with their lack of a reasonable energy policy.

DAT60A3 on June 30, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I pray for Romney in November. Take the shackles off already!

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 4:42 PM

On Thursday, the Obama administration unveiled its latest five-year oil-leasing plan, and I have to say, it looks pretty awesome — you know, as long as you’re not into creating jobs or economic growth or any other such silly material interests.

We need to keep that collateral in the ground for our Chinese creditors.

…..and like I said months ago, when the U.S. politicians (Former Presidents specifically) stop taking money to build their Presidential museums and foundations from the Saudi royal family and their relatives in the Gulf states THEN maybe I’ll believe one of our leaders when they say they want “energy independence”.

PappyD61 on June 30, 2012 at 4:44 PM

No it hasn’t. Gulf Oyster, Crab,and Shrimp fisheries haven’t ‘completely recovered’ by any measure no matter what someone at The Telegraph thinks. Those industries remain devastated which is why the costs to those industries are still being calculated.

lexhamfox on June 30, 2012 at 4:24 PM

The Oyster beds were harmed more by the freshwater diversion to keep oil out of the tidal marshes, than the oil itself.

Shrimp harvests have not been horrible. The problem for most shrimpers is that 2010 was to be the best year in a few decades but those areas were put off limits.

As far as fish themselves, 2011 was one of the best years in decades for saltwater gamefish such as redfish, speckled trout, flounder, and especially deepwater sportfishing right where the spill occurred it was fantastic.

Been there and done that, how about you?

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 4:45 PM

“Today, the Obama Administration has announced a bleak future for American energy production by keeping 85 percent of America’s offshore areas under lock and key and refusing to open any new areas to drilling,” said Doc Hastings, Republican chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee.

but none of this is connected to generating business for GE and their wind turbines/solar panels and such……….right?

PappyD61 on June 30, 2012 at 4:45 PM

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Screw Hofmeister and the horse he rode in on. Shell hired him because he was a public policy guy so they could lobby the government better.

What he actually wants to do is create a “Federal Reserve System” for oil and gas in the country. He’s HUGE government all the way.

Additionally, he was one of the loudest voices in “Peak Oil.”

He is NO oil man, either exploration & production, OR refining.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 4:48 PM

The Lonely Conservative is a little more blunt:

While We Were Distracted By SCOTUS Decision Obama Finalized Drilling Plan, Restored Old Moratorium…

and quotes the reaction of the Institute for Energy Research:

“President Obama’s offshore charade continues today with the formal announcement of the 2012-2017 leasing plan for the outer continental shelf. With this plan, the administration reinstates the 27 year moratorium that was lifted in 2008, and turns its back on potentially enormous energy resources that could provide jobs and energy security for America. For more than three years, the Obama administration has consistently reversed bipartisan efforts to open America’s vast offshore resources for energy development.

“The president has cancelled lease sales, delayed others, and imposed a unilateral executive embargo on the oil resources that our most promising public lands could provide. With 98 percent of the U.S. offshore currently unleased for energy exploration, Secretary Salazar has finalized this plan to continue the administration’s war against affordable energy. In the end, Americans will pay more for the energy they need…

Drained Brain on June 30, 2012 at 4:48 PM

What would happen if the companies just started drilling?

mimi1220 on June 30, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Alot of euroweenies would start whining.

And, we DON’T want that. No sir. I WANT to pay a lot for gas so I don’t upset…. the weenies.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Drained Brain on June 30, 2012 at 4:48 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Barack Obama is officially irrelevant on all matters great and small.

Russia just took Syria.

Someone should get his skinny azz off the golf course and pluck his wife off the buffet line.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:51 PM

One has to wonder what other contries, other than the US, are able to drill in OUR waters? bho has in the past already said some can drill in the gulf and even given them taxpayers money to do so!

Even if the O&G companies get the go ahead to drill, many many rigs have been sent to other countries out of our waters because of bho’s krap against drilling by us.

Again I say, I ha!e bho and his whole blooming team!
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letget on June 30, 2012 at 4:53 PM

From the Telegraph article:

Justice department officials recently briefed that BP employees could face criminal prosecution for perjury over their testimony to investigators or even manslaughter charges over the deaths of the 11 rig workers.

Yeah, but that same Justice Department won’t even fire their own people who deliberately planned operations that resulted in the foreseeable deaths of hundreds of Mexican civilians.

John Edwards was right, there are two Americas. One for the people in government, and another for everyone else.

Socratease on June 30, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Erika, Here is the problem that websites like Hotair & Breitbart caused in 2010.

Nutcase who know nothing and had no idea of anything were writing articles and doing the old fashioned circle jerk reporting.

Kevin Costner MADE IN PROFIT, at least $50 million on 30 pieces of shiite centrifuges that could never sell before (they are crapola I knew about them beforehand)

While BP certainly screwed up in its drilling plan and operating outside of the parameters of its drilling permit. It deserves a HUGE amount of credit for its obtaining every single available method to combat the spill (save the Bubba ones which work in the bathtub or stock pond but not at sea) They DID have Dutch Ships with Open Ocean Skimmers out in INTERNATIONAL WATERS (beyond the 12 mile limit).

It really tees me off at all the nonsense reported by know nothing authors and know nothing posters who think that they had some “inside” info.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Wasn’t it the Soviet Union who had a five-year plan for everything? Yep. Communists still doing the same thing they used to do. Nothing new.

Jarhead68 on June 30, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Why, why, why do we consistently take ourselves out of the game on the energy front? Worldwide demand for oil and gas is booming, and instead of taking advantage of our highly abundant natural resources and getting a hefty share of that market, we quixotically decide that we’re going to take some self-imagined high road and lead the world in the righteous quest for green energy

Right. I have wondered as well – for many years. Wouldn’t we eventually avoid the need to engage in foreign confrontations if we didn’t have to protect our corporate interests, i.e., those nasty, international oil companies?

We should have the full support of Leftist darlings like: http://www.zombietime.com/breasts_not_bombs/ CONTENT WARNING

It’s simply amazing that anti war protesters can’t sign on to energy independence. We could leave Islamist radicals alone because, of course, they wouldn’t want to kill us. Cool, right? Maybe not.

There are the trees, very important, and although they can be replaced it’s better to hug one than to cut it down – for any reason. Endangered species like the Delta smelt (and countless more, no doubt), surely some sort of moss or lichen that has to be ‘saved’ at the expense of jobs for people who want to work are more important.

So, Erika, your question is a good one. It’s one that has no other answer than the fact that Leftists want to destroy us. They can find any reason to deny prosperity for millions of people.

The Delta smelt/San Joaquin incident answered my of my questions.

Cody1991 on June 30, 2012 at 5:00 PM

The problem with the Obama Lease Plans have been that they auction off leases which have been auctioned off before, some of them several times. These have been turned back to the government due after seismic surveys and some which were drilled, economically recoverable hydrocarbons were not found.

That being said, the lease where BP Macondo well was located had been previously lease to Texaco and Dominion Resources. Both had drilled several exploratory wells and had dry holes between 1995 and 2006.

In other news the lease that ExxonMobil bragged about abandoning because it was too risky was taken over by an independent, McMoRan, drilled and over 1 trillion feet of natural gas discovered. McMoRan is the best at finding “sub salt” (meaning below the geological salt layer) and finding deep in the ground hydrocarbons in “shallow” water.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Ahem. Russia just took Syria

BHO is either changing his Superman Underoos or nibbling at his belly button. He’s certainly not leading. Oh, no… not able to lead.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Wasn’t it the Soviet Union who had a five-year plan for everything? Yep. Communists still doing the same thing they used to do. Nothing new.

Jarhead68 on June 30, 2012 at 5:00 PM

It’s a bit different. The PRIVATE industry needs to be able to look ahead and start planning for leases down the road ahead of time.

The big difference is the USSR had multi-year plans on outcome and via regulations forced consumption even if the output was not needed such as their steel industry.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Meanwhile………………..

Budget Roundup: New fiscal code language blocks drilling for untapped gas reserves in southeast PA

Daily Budget Roundup – June 29, 2012
http://paindependent.com/2012/06/budget-roundup-062912/
_______________________________________________________

Kasich signs Ohio’s new gas drilling rules in Akron
June 12, 2012 – 01:27 PM
Gov. John Kasich came to Akron on Monday to sign Senate Bill 315, sweeping energy legislation that includes

tough rules on drilling for natural gas and oil in Ohio.

http://www.ohio.com/news/local-news/kasich-signs-ohio-s-new-gas-drilling-rules-in-akron-1.313248

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:06 PM

In latest news, the “Green Movement” is obtain Shariah Compliant Financing.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:02 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Oh, the Sovereign of the Sea Treaty? You mean, that “Treaty” wherein we unilaterally give up our rights to all oil deposits? THAT treaty?

I don’t know what yer talking about.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:06 PM

A few experts in this field tell me that Ohio has had problems with some of its drilling permits. The problem has been with renegade operators and state permitting department without qualified petroleum engineers. They are getting better.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Ahem. Russia just took Syria

BHO is either changing his Superman Underoos or nibbling at his belly button. He’s certainly not leading. Oh, no… not able to lead.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Key west Reader:HilRod is now after a UN Resolution,to use
Military Force,and good point,I don’t hear
a peep from Hopey!:)

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:10 PM

In latest news, the “Green Movement” is obtain Shariah Compliant Financing.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Kermit:Lol!:)

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Outside of the territorial waters (12 miles from the coast) it has always been international law. The only thing that any country has is with economic exclusion zones which cover who can fish, & who can tap mineral resources.

That is why almost all vessels (drill ships, drilling rigs, production platforms, etc.) are foreign flagged.

The only vessels required to be U.S. flag are those bringing personnel, and goods/services from the U.S. which are to be returned back to the U.S. That is why almost every single vessel working to stop the Macondo Well was foreign flag. Just like the Dutch ships managed by Dockwise. Actually they were Netherlands Antilles flag, which is a tax haven for Dutch ship owners but still get all the benefits of sailing under a Dutch Flag.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:13 PM

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:06 PM

A few experts in this field tell me that Ohio has had problems with some of its drilling permits. The problem has been with renegade operators and state permitting department without qualified petroleum engineers. They are getting better.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Kermit:With Obama Team in play,I bet its worse,as in compliance,
as you have mentioned!:)

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Obama’s drilling plans for energy & jobs may suck but his plans to spend more or you money is something to party over:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/27/usda-suggests-food-stamp-parties-games-to-increase-participation/

Chessplayer on June 30, 2012 at 5:16 PM

BHO is either changing his Superman Underoos or nibbling at his belly button. He’s certainly not leading. Oh, no… not able to lead.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Russia accuses the West of ignoring the darker side of the Syrian opposition, including Islamic extremist elements and the summary execution of captured Syrian soldiers. Moscow also notes Assad still commands the loyalty of many Syrians, including Christians, his own Alawite sect and secular Sunni Muslims, who fear the rise of Islamic extremism if the regime collapses.

Well Key, I gotta agree with the ruskies on that point.

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Obamanomics: Economics For Dummies

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2012 at 5:18 PM

It was very much a black-swan situation, and if you haven’t noticed, the Gulf Coast has been completely recovered (both economically and ecologically) for awhile now.

Don’t use absolute qualifiers in your statements. Maybe you could have stated “The Gulf Coast is on its way to recovering….”
It certainly hasn’t completely recovered. I wouldn’t call the presence of mutant fish and shrimp a ‘complete recovery’. In truth, we don’t know the long term effects of the dispersants used in the spill.

nazo311 on June 30, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Well Key, I gotta agree with the ruskies on that point.

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Well, somebody had to take the lead. We know obama can’t because he is incapable of leading.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:20 PM

They took it off You Tube, but it lives

ObamaSpill

OMG, I can’t believe I still have this!

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Key West Reader:Very nice,its been a long four years,thanks for
posting it!:)

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Watch. Obama’s going to have a “complicated migraine” and feign illness and step down.

The poor skinny bastige has never been challenged in his life. Mooch won’t like it, but she’ll retire in luxury whining in public speechifying sessions about her husband;s sacrifice.

/Swoon

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:23 PM

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:21 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

From the King of Links, that’s quite a compliment! Thank you :o)

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:24 PM

The truth is,Obama doesn’t give a rats *ss about
gas/oil,it….NUCLEAR!!!!!!
____________________________

The only Energy sector Obama wants is Nuclear!

October 13, 2011
Obama’s Power Grid
******************

President Barack Obama’s environmental record has prompted eco-minded groups to call his policies “disastrous,” a “nightmare,” and a “sell-out.”

Less well-known, however, is the fact that Obama himself has long been allied with Chicago-area pro-nuclear-energy leaders

and that several people in his core council have professionally benefited from their association with Exelon,

the power company that runs America’s largest nuclear fleet.

With Japan’s nuclear accident still looming, many in the environmental movement, who initially supported Obama’s “clean-energy” agenda, have been turned off, but, as Vanity Fair contributing editor Robert Sam Anson brings to light, Obama and his inner circle have vowed not to take the nuclear-power option off the table.

He’s warned of “the worst consequences of climate change” unless new nuclear plants sprout from the land. And of countries like China eating our technological lunch. And of unemployment getting even worse, due to the loss of good, green jobs. And of nothing less than “our economy, our security, and the future of our planet” being at risk.

As for political clout, it’s summed up by how Exelon’s former chief Washington lobbyist, Elizabeth Moler (who served as deputy national co-chair for the Obama campaign), described her employer to Forbes:

“the President’s utility.”
(More…….)
==============

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/10/obama-nuclear-201110

canopfor on March 7, 2012 at 5:41 PM

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Well, somebody had to take the lead. We know obama can’t because he is incapable of leading.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I for one would like to see him leave.

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 5:29 PM

nazo311 on June 30, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Bullshiite on your post.

Just so happens that a neighbor of mine just loves the outdoors and coastal marsh. He also happens to be a biology professor (as are several others nearby) and told me how the traps to find pollutants in sea life were purposefully placed right in some of the contaminated areas.

Corexit was approved for use in almost every country in the world. It has not been approved in shallow water or near the coast in the U.S. and likewise most everywhere else only out of caution.

Harsher dispersants were used for PEMEX’s Ixtoc I blowout a few decades back. There was NO long term damage. In fact, fish population was back to normal in two years.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:29 PM

FYI, for those who have spent anytime fishing in the sea or coastal marshes, there have ALWAYS been a few mutants. It’s called evolution.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:32 PM

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:21 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

From the King of Links, that’s quite a compliment! Thank you :o)

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Key west Reader:Your too kind,and I as well,still have all the
related,Well from H*ll links!:)

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Let me put it another way. The U.S. had little control over what BP did outside of the territorial waters of the U.S. Macondo Blowout was outside of our territorial watere.

What they did have control over were fines for lost revenue of oil spewing into the water (automatic that the Federalies were going to over estimated the amount spilled) and fines/penalties for pollution which reached inside the territorial waters as well as oversight of cleanup.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Short term solution — quit exporting power generated from fossil fuel to DC !!

Let them run on wind and solar ! DC has “invested” $70 B in solar over that last 3 years, it is time for them to get off fossil fuels.

Quit delivering “gas” to gas stations in DC. Put TSA types at all the borders to DC to check for terrorists – especially congress people — you want to check their diapers. DC is a US territory and doesn’t necessarily participate in the state reciprocity laws.

KenInIL on June 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM

BP Macondo reporting on ALL of the “Grassroots” websites as well as mainline “conservative” websites is what got me to begin questioning ANY and all reporting on these.

I severed all ties with the “Grassroots” sites like “Resist Net” which was chock full of nutcases making stuff up.

Oh and anyone who called themselves a “Watchman” was especially ignorant.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Those industries remain devastated which is why the costs to those industries are still being calculated.

lexhamfox on June 30, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Sources for this statement, which you present as fact?

massrighty on June 30, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Why, aljazeera, of course!

But of course, there are many other factors. For instance, the Louisiana shrimp harvests were also damaged by hurricanes, tropical storms and spring floods, not just the BP spill.

And many of the Louisiana oyster beds were damaged not by the oil spill, but by fresh water the State diverted into those oyster beds trying to push the oil out.

And another factor that has slowed down the recovery of the Gulf seafood industry? The rise in fuel costs last year until just a few weeks ago, which limited many fishing boats from going out as far as they used to.

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Our economy is in the hurt locker, and frankly, I think playing political games with America’s natural assets is about as inexcusable as it gets.

Amen Erika, like your posts and addition to HA.

Meanwhile..56 miles off the coast of Key West Florida..Cuba is drilling. The enviro lobby here have locked Fl out from drilling and all their other nonsense with our fishing industry ect..
Natural gas pipeline in the panhandle area as well.

Now..they can control us here but not Cuba..you think Cuba gives a sh$t about enviro standards? A spill set up off by them would impact us major. The sea currents would take a spill straight up the east coast and be devastating..but hey..as long as the US holds the standard of green energy and screwing ourselves in the process..as Erika said- “high road and lead the world in the righteous quest for green energy”.
We wont take advantage of our resources and I surly bet we would do our best to avoid any disasters or spills and ensure safety standards. Cuba? LMAO. They will reap the benefits..and as we play politics and BS-we are suffering.. Way to go Green lobby and suck as$ politicians running us into the ground. Other countries are LOLing their azzes off at us. Go Brazil!

Drilling our own stuff would produce productive private-sector jobs, create wealth, and increase our energy security, all in one fell swoop — but because the environmental lobby gets its knickers in a twist over anything that doesn’t come from the Captain Planet earth-wind-fire-water-heart playbook, we all have to suffer.

Exactly.

bazil9 on June 30, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Short term solution — quit exporting power generated from fossil fuel to DC !!

Let them run on wind and solar ! DC has “invested” $70 B in solar over that last 3 years, it is time for them to get off fossil fuels.

Quit delivering “gas” to gas stations in DC. Put TSA types at all the borders to DC to check for terrorists – especially congress people — you want to check their diapers. DC is a US territory and doesn’t necessarily participate in the state reciprocity laws.

KenInIL on June 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM

I like your style.

bazil9 on June 30, 2012 at 5:49 PM

OMG, I can’t believe I still have this!

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Just wanted to let you know, I’m stealing a copy of that, as you read this. ; )

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 6:07 PM

…have you plugged the hole yet daddy?
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…shhhh!…I’m plugging them all!

KOOLAID2 on June 30, 2012 at 6:09 PM

…have you plugged the hole yet daddy?
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…shhhh!…I’m plugging them all!

KOOLAID2 on June 30, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Yep.

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 6:14 PM

…have you plugged the hole yet daddy?
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…shhhh!…I’m plugging them all! All the open holes to prosperity of the USA, on by one.

KOOLAID2 on June 30, 2012 at 6:09 PM

;)

bazil9 on June 30, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Sorry, you don’t like the facts, but those are it. Just . I’m sure other people in the Gulf have their own opinions too. Corexit is approved for use, but that doesn’t make the concentrations they dumped in the ocean ok for use. Just because the government deems something safe does not make it so.

Here are some articles that examine dispersant safety.

nazo311 on June 30, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Let me put it another way. The U.S. had little control over what BP did outside of the territorial waters of the U.S. Macondo Blowout was outside of our territorial watere.

What they did have control over were fines for lost revenue of oil spewing into the water (automatic that the Federalies were going to over estimated the amount spilled) and fines/penalties for pollution which reached inside the territorial waters as well as oversight of cleanup.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 5:42 PM

How much of the spill would have been avoided without the interference from Stephen Chu?

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Go enjoy your holiday my brother! :)
Get outta here. *clink*

bazil9 on June 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Santa Barbara (1969) has also recovered.

Prince William Sound (Exxon VAldez 1989) has also recovered.

But environuts are still hysterical, and file many lawsuits and give much dinero to politicans, so no evil drilling allowed.

PattyJ on June 30, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Heh. Sierra Club hires former EPA crucifixion official.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 6:22 PM

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Heh, how stunning…

bazil9 on June 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Heh. Sierra Club hires former EPA crucifixion official.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Birds of a feather – this WH and environuts.

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM

nazo311 on June 30, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Have fun in your world. I AM A GULF COAST GUY.

Now that being said, I’ve already informed you how the “books have been cooked” regarding toxicology.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Worldwide demand for oil and gas is booming, and instead of taking advantage of our highly abundant natural resources and getting a hefty share of that market, we quixotically decide that we’re going to take some self-imagined high road and lead the world in the righteous quest for green energy.

Do you make even the slightest effort to check facts? First, worldwide oil demand is not “booming”, as expressed in current oil prices and dropping demand in Europe and falling demand growth in China.

Second, the US is not leading the world in the pursuit green energy- not even close. Germany and other European nations are far more aggressive in investing in green energy sources, while China has spent far more government $$ on subsidizing green research and solar manufacturing.

bayam on June 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Heh. Sierra Club hires former EPA crucifixion official.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Birds of a feather – this WH and environuts.

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Liz Birnbaum who was head of MMS until removed during Macondo Spill, WAS first a Clinton hire as an attorney for MMS (when they left out royalties due the Feds in contracts), then worked for an envirowhacko group as its head during the Bush years before joining Pelosi’s office as a staffer when the Dems took Congress in 2006, before being appointed by Zero to head MMS.

I warned David Vitter about her when she was put up for appointment.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM

bayam on June 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Several Solar Panel plants have been auctioned off in Germany, after they closed down, and across Europe in the last 3 years or so.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 6:16 PM.

Don’t think that he really had much of a real say in the matter.

That was all PR for the Zero Administration. It was in International Water.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Teh One and Friends:
I’m keen on green,
that’s where we’ve been,
digging around for roots and grubs,
the h#!! you say, it isn’t enough.

Redoubling our efforts,
to this we train — our eyes
on the only things remaining
in our eyes.

Coal, big black coal, hydro so passe,
‘nucular’ is mythical,
what more can I, teh won, say…

we’ve about run out of dinosaurs,
that’s a fact, er, umm, *I* they say,
The, uh, fossil fuels were meant to go that way.

In the interest of full disclosure,
Imma going to pretend ‘oil leasing’,
and hold tightly to Holder…

wait, what?

I think this ends with a merry Christmas to all,
and, ah, er, have a good time trying to fill up,
at the pump, chumps.
And worry not, northerners with dyed diesel uses
in your oil furnaces
your redstate expectations have been heard,
Now, pay up, suckers.

I’ll have to reconnoiter for the next verses.

For any here that think that this is kabuki
understand that it is happening. That is.
Nothing.

The ‘why’ should be obvious, even to our dearly departed crr6.
Get on the train to absoluteness. Wheh, wheh! (or is it woo, woo!)

I resist. I will not.

Speaking of trains… we are so off the rails, it might be a sudden
reality to stop all of this to see who really is in need of handouts.

Just one Rand Paul to rub a thumb in the eye of this would be an
prominent gesture for the good.

I know –RACIST–. Really? FU.

Fact is I care for, and do for, people I don’t even know and some that I do
only vaguely. Good people in need, I’m there.
The rest of you (present company mostly excluded), ‘get off my lawn’.

Axe & company, can save the ‘tell us what you really think’.
This is what I really think.

Close enough. I was going for, but ended up, at reality.
Mostly, poetic, etc.
Say what you will. IDGARA, excepting the Constitution.

mickytx on June 30, 2012 at 6:57 PM

mickytx on June 30, 2012 at 6:57 PM

What dinosaurs? Hydrocarbons DO NOT come from dinosaurs except microscopic organisms.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Have fun in your world. I AM A GULF COAST GUY.

Now that being said, I’ve already informed you how the “books have been cooked” regarding toxicology.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Care to post some evidence? You didn’t provide a shred of evidence, just what some unnamed professor said. I’d be happy to have a rational discussion about the topic.

In my initial post, I was merely pointing out it was wrong to state “The gulf has completely recovered,” when we don’t know the long term effects of using high concentrations of dispersant.

nazo311 on June 30, 2012 at 7:06 PM

No wonder the LEFT has been WINNING for a few decades now.

90% of the posters on “conservative” websites still use their themes & arguments regarding oil/gas/coal and pollution.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 7:07 PM

nazo311 on June 30, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Then don’t take any showers since it is more toxic than Corexit.

Pay attention to Kerry St. Pe. He IS the “Mac Daddy” in these matters. Don’t pay attention to Nungesser, he is corrupt (I’ve tried to do business in his neck of the woods) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129940305

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM

nazo311 on June 30, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Ever been to the Gulf of Mexico, shrimped, crabbed or fished in it?

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Germany and other European nations are far more aggressive in investing in green energy sources, while China has spent far more government $$ on subsidizing green research and solar manufacturing.

bayam on June 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

You need to check out the present reversals in green energy effort in Germany and Spain. You also may want to spend a little time reading about the impact on the Spanish economy that effort caused.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 7:25 PM

nazo311 on June 30, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Ever been to the Gulf of Mexico, shrimped, crabbed or fished in it?

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 7:20 PM

FYI, I have for 50 years.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 7:36 PM

What dinosaurs? Hydrocarbons DO NOT come from dinosaurs except microscopic organisms.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Ha, ha. I might get a Bishop ‘fishing magician’ award if they were handed out like candy.
Of course, Kermit. No worries.
I don’t think any reptiles crawl through Sealy, TX, though they do.
Little diggers, working away. Earl.

The natural occurrence is a thing of beauty.

;D
Poorly written lyrics. My apologies. Heh.

The enormity of this world, this earth, can be seen in TX.
God, it is so beautiful.

And we have so little impact on it. Negatively.
MBP should show us the way, if he so chooses.
He has not. That is all one needs know about Albert Gore.
Fraudulent is the term that comes to mind.

mickytx on June 30, 2012 at 7:46 PM

And for the record, choose to use less. It will save you a bunch of money, you’ll feel better about your ‘footprint’ self. But, leave your vision of what I must do, alone.
What’s the phrase ‘mile in my shoes’ or umbrage. Skateboards aren’t up to the task.

mickytx on June 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Do you make even the slightest effort to check facts? First, worldwide oil demand is not “booming”, as expressed in current oil prices and dropping demand in Europe and falling demand growth in China.

Second, the US is not leading the world in the pursuit green energy- not even close. Germany and other European nations are far more aggressive in investing in green energy sources, while China has spent far more government $$ on subsidizing green research and solar manufacturing.

bayam on June 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM

This is me pointing and laughing at the Stalinist.

tom daschle concerned on June 30, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Do you need a plan when you plan to do nothing?

At least Obama’s do nothing five year plans are achievable unlike the old Soviet ones.

KW64 on June 30, 2012 at 10:01 PM

You need to check out the present reversals in green energy effort in Germany and Spain. You also may want to spend a little time reading about the impact on the Spanish economy that effort caused.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Germany is moving forward with its green energy strategy and has only reduced solar subsidies after a historic build out- one that was undoubtedly too driven by government diktat.
As for Spain, I don’t really look to that country for evidence of technological or scientific affirmation- it’s a backwater compared to the US.

bayam on June 30, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Kissing opportunity goodbye, one denied permit at a time.

That’s a keeper quote. Can I borrow it? It’s one of the definers of the Obama administration. Another is Liar-in-Chief.

Christian Conservative on June 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Germany and other European nations are far more aggressive in investing in green energy sources, while China has spent far more government $$ on subsidizing green research and solar manufacturing.

bayam on June 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

You need to check out the present reversals in green energy effort in Germany and Spain. You also may want to spend a little time reading about the impact on the Spanish economy that effort caused.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I keep hearing that world demand is down, but only slightly down here in the U.S. while production at home is WAYYY up. Additionally, several antiquated refineries, on the East Coast, using only imported crude have been shutdown permanently. One is being demolished, and other soon to be. In large that is because of increased capacity at several Gulf Coast refineries and products pipelines all the way to New England.

Keep in mind that due to heavy and very heavy Canadian crude now flowing to refineries in MN, MI, IL, IN & OH, there is not much demand of Capline a 1.2 million barrel per day pipeline from Louisiana to IL with branches along the way. It may even be reversed to carry Canadian & Bakken crude to the largest concentration of refineries in the world (Gulf Coast from Mobile to Corpus Christi) That includes the dozen major refineries which ALREADY have the capability to refine Canadian crude without have to spend a few billion bucks each on additional process units and changes in configuration.

Capline was built to carry crude oil offloaded at the only supertanker port in the lower 48, LOOP, off the coast of Louisiana.

Kermit on June 30, 2012 at 11:50 PM

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