Quotes of the Day

posted at 8:30 pm on June 30, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

“(T)he government’s tax power theory is far more radical than the Commerce and Necessary and Proper Clause theory precisely because the Supreme Court has generally deferred to any invocation of the tax power to raise revenue to spend for the general welfare. This normal deference is why the mandate’s defenders shifted the argument from the Commerce Clause to the tax power. Yet if its theory is accepted, Congress would be able to penalize or mandate any activity by anyone in the country, provided it limited the sanction to a fine enforced by the Internal Revenue Service.

This is a congressional power unknown and unheard of before 2010. It would effectively grant Congress a general police power. And we know what existing doctrine says about such a power: ‘The Constitution . . . withhold[s] from Congress a plenary police power that would authorize enactment of every type of legislation.’ Such has been the Supreme Court’s position from the Founding until today.”

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“My guess is that my constituents would appreciate another vote,” Rep. Jo Ann Emerson (R-Mo.) said.

The House GOP already voted to repeal President Obama’s healthcare overhaul as one of its first acts in 2011. But in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the law, party leaders plan to do so again on July 11.

“Obviously we all understand that it’s a statement of principle and it doesn’t have any chance in the Senate, but I think it’s appropriate,” Rep. Charlie Bass (R-N.H.) said Friday.

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I’m in the swamp. A line in a bill that says “PPACA is repealed” would have budgetary effects and a CBO score. Over the last two years I’ve talked to plenty of Republicans who have experience with reconciliation, and they do not think this is an impossible mission. CBO, as Lizza notes, has in the past found Obamacare to be a money-saver for the government, but it may not so find it in 2013. Even if it does, a reconciliation bill could just find a small amount of offsetting savings to make a repeal bill deficit-reducing and thus, under the current rules, eligible for reconciliation.

I don’t think Lizza is right about the individual mandate, either, assuming that individual items in Obamacare had to be repealed one by one. The Supreme Court just said the bill has a tax on being uninsured rather than a mandate. Taxes can be changed through reconciliation.

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Republicans are so upset because one of the basic pillars of the “Obama illegitimacy” canard is that he is operating outside the parameters of the constitution, that he is the point of the shiv aimed at the heart of America.

As the conservative radio host Neal Boortz put it in a Twitter message following the ruling: “I am so sick to death of calling the play-by-play of the destruction of this great country by power-hungry Democrats and the moocher class.”

This ruling has supposedly energized the Republican base. Maybe, but it’s been supporting the repeal of the health care act since it was passed. What’s new? Republicans say that the court called the mandate a tax although Obama had insisted that it wasn’t. True, but I’m not sure that has legs outside the Grover Norquist-no-tax echo chamber.

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ObamaCare will preclude people from having the health care that they like. We have seen this law increase costs, and we are committed to changing that. We are committed to making sure that we can return to patient-based health care in this country, where we can keep costs low, and we can increase access. And that’s why when we return the week of July 9th, I have scheduled a vote for total repeal of the ObamaCare bill to occur on Wednesday, July 11th.



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Obama not celebrating his victory too much, begging for cash,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/30/exclusive-president-obama-asks-campaign-donors-to-send-him-more-money.html

txmomof6 on June 30, 2012 at 8:31 PM

This ruling has supposedly energized the Republican base. Maybe, but it’s been supporting the repeal of the health care act since it was passed. What’s new? Republicans say that the court called the mandate a tax although Obama had insisted that it wasn’t. True, but I’m not sure that has legs outside the Grover Norquist-no-tax echo chamber.

If that is true, why is Obama out there saying it is not a tax.

No one likes thing.

Terrye on June 30, 2012 at 8:34 PM

All men betray. Some betrayals are more notable but few as harmful as Roberts’.

Speakup on June 30, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Now that Otax is a tax law…
Congress has the authority of tax law…
When will all these people that have been givin’ blinders (Waivers) be removed so they can join the rest of us and take a big bite of the crap sandwich that is Otax?

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Obama not celebrating his victory too much, begging for cash,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/30/exclusive-president-obama-asks-campaign-donors-to-send-him-more-money.html

txmomof6 on June 30, 2012 at 8:31 PM

When you are unemployed, receiving food stamps and just had the biggest tax increase ever thrown on your back, it’s hard to come up with spare change, King Obama.

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 8:39 PM

one of the basic pillars of the “Obama illegitimacy” canard is that he is operating outside the parameters of the constitution

Roberts just mightily assuaged the low info crowd’s fears on that point. Dude, this ruling totally helps Romney though!

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Obama thinks it’s all about money. Money won’t save you, fella, when your agenda is unpopular.

rickv404 on June 30, 2012 at 8:44 PM

“We have years before any future Congress is going to work up the nerve to do anything like a broccoli mandate.

No we don’t. Lawmakers routinely go to sin taxes like cigarettes first when they are looking for money exactly because the majority don’t balk at it and a vociferous minority are all for anything that will limit smoking. Does anyone think Congress would seriously balk at a mandate/tax on those awful people who refuse to stop smoking to cover the health costs of second hand smoke?

You think anybody is going to spend time teaching this tax power argument in con law class?”

Yes, I do. I believe there are liberal professors right at this moment thinking up new & wonderful ways to apply this tax power.
Harvard Law probably already has a class called “The unlimited tax: recipe for revenue” in the works as we speak.

Rocks on June 30, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I’m not Grover Norquist, and why yes, I do give a crap that I can be taxed for inactivity.

“obama illegitimacy” canard? We didn’t need another card. We are holding a royal straight already on that hand.

wolly4321 on June 30, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Obama not celebrating his victory too much, begging for cash,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/30/exclusive-president-obama-asks-campaign-donors-to-send-him-more-money.html

txmomof6 on June 30, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Begging for money is all the gay kenyan bath-house patronizing dog eater can do.

He has never done one thing in his entire life that actually created value. All he has done is pilfer and squander. I hate him no more than he hates me.

tom daschle concerned on June 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Obama not celebrating his victory too much, begging for cash,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/30/exclusive-president-obama-asks-campaign-donors-to-send-him-more-money.html

txmomof6 on June 30, 2012 at 8:31 PM

He’s in deep poo poo..
and knows it..

People will be awakened when the House asks to have ObamaTax and all its taxing authority placed back into the Congress where it belongs..
And out of the HHS.

Obama has lost so much power because of this ruling…

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Gah! I am just about over discussing this ruling for a few days. Moratorium, please…

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM

When you are unemployed, receiving food stamps and just had the biggest tax increase ever thrown on your back, it’s hard to come up with spare change, King Obama.

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 8:39 PM

That’s why Barry has come up with creative ways for us to give. You should have seen my 6 year old daughter’s face when she read her birthday card explaining that I had donated to the Obama 2012 campaing in lieu of getting her the unicorn pillow pet. She was thrilled!

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 8:49 PM

The Supreme Court just said the bill has a tax on being uninsured rather than a mandate

It’s also a tax on the insured. Unless Roberts doesn’t like the idea of the cadillac health policy tax and is prepared to disallow it based on some of the criteria he put forward. That would kill the thing.

Buddahpundit on June 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Please don’t bother with any dog and pony show repealing Obamacare in the House since it will go nowhere in the Senate and certainly won’t be signed by the occupant of the White House. If I was interested in form over substance I would be a Democrat.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM

The only thing that will change the discussion is something more horrible and I don’t even want to consider the possibility.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 8:53 PM

That’s why Barry has come up with creative ways for us to give. You should have seen my 6 year old daughter’s face when she read her birthday card explaining that I had donated to the Obama 2012 campaing in lieu of getting her the unicorn pillow pet. She was thrilled!

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Did you see this latest one today?

From: Brandon English
Subject: Drew: Your supporter record
Date: June 29, 2012 5:30:28 PM EDT
To: Drew
Reply-To: dccc@dccc.org

Hi Drew —

We’re reviewing our Democratic supporter records in advance of tomorrow’s Federal Election Commission (FEC) deadline. Your record is copied and pasted below:

Supporter record: 96****
Name: Drew *****
2012 Online Support: Pending
Suggested support: $3.00

If you’re planning to contribute to our campaign to win a Democratic Majority for President Obama, it’s critical that you make your donation in the next 24 hours. Tomorrow is the midyear FEC reporting deadline of the 2012 general election. We’re relying on your support: 80% of our contributions are $35 or less.

Thanks for standing with us.

Brandon English

God bless Drew over at Zip’s for having to wade through this garbage.

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Please don’t bother with any dog and pony show repealing Obamacare in the House since it will go nowhere in the Senate and certainly won’t be signed by the occupant of the White House. If I was interested in form over substance I would be a Democrat.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I don’t know..
It does put on record where politicians stand…

Call it a poll.

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

At least we got a really swell apology for being called 11th graders./

wolly4321 on June 30, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Gah! I am just about over discussing this ruling for a few days. Moratorium, please…

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Reminds me of the week right after the “Cain Scandal” broke when HA became all Herman Cain all the time. Mostly negative.

Hope the new AC has helped you deal with the heat OC.

Have a blessed Sunday.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 8:55 PM

I’ll stop proselytizing for this post right now. I just don’t want anyone to miss it who might be interested.

Axe on June 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Had Roberts agreed with the Commerce Clause argument, I would have been furious, but I could see how it was possible. Roberts ruling was so ridiculous that it destroyed his credibility. Even Dems who like the outcome acknowledge that the ruling is a bunch of hooey. His decision is 40 times more ridiculous than Douglas’ opinion in Roe. His creation of “Schrodinger taxes,” taxes that are not taxes for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act, but are taxes for purposes of the Spending Clause, has made a mockery of the English language and has shredded nearly a century of definition precedence. He is a farce and I hope that when another spot opens on the court, Romney will “nominate” him as an associate justice and install somebody who has integrity as Chief Justice.

andy85719 on June 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 8:53 PM

That is so pathetic. I wonder how long before Team Barry announces that donations may now be placed on food stamp cards.

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Please don’t bother with any dog and pony show repealing Obamacare in the House since it will go nowhere in the Senate and certainly won’t be signed by the occupant of the White House. If I was interested in form over substance I would be a Democrat.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Do you seriously believe that the Republican House should only have votes on things that the Democrat senate will agree with and Obama will sign?

Buddahpundit on June 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM

We return to the Ryans Infamous Hopey SmackDown,
from the HealthCare Summitt!
_____________________________________

“HealthCare Entitlements”

“Gimmics and Smoke and Mirrors”

“Has Ten years of tax increases”
_____________________________________

Paul Ryan: Hiding Spending Doesn’t Reduce Spending
Uploaded by AmericanRoadmap on Feb 25, 2010
*******************************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs

canopfor on June 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 8:49 PM

BTW, I just made a King Obama donation in your daughter’s name. Tell her I said Happy Birthday/

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM

This ruling has supposedly energized the Republican base. Maybe, but it’s been supporting the repeal of the health care act since it was passed. What’s new? Republicans say that the court called the mandate a tax although Obama had insisted that it wasn’t. True, but I’m not sure that has legs outside the Grover Norquist-no-tax echo chamber.

Riiiight, Chucky. I guess a whole bunch of people just decided to clean out their closets and garages in the 24 hours after the ruling. They found all of these old games collecting dust and decided to send $5.5 million in Monopoly money to Mitt Romney’s campaign and who knows how much more to Super PACs.

See, Patrick Kennedy was a hysterical, ranting, and probably drunken Henny Penny when he said that Obamacare opponents would go on a rampage if they lost. When the Left loses, they burn cities and, evidently, when the Right loses, they get cleaning.

OK, whatever you say, Chucky.

Resist We Much on June 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

They did that already in the original vote. This one would give Democrats the opportunity to vote against it and get brownie points from the stupid demographic of their constituents right before the election.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Had Roberts agreed with the Commerce Clause argument, I would have been furious, but I could see how it was possible.

andy85719 on June 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Had Kennedy joined Roberts and made it a 6-3 I could easily see most of us being less than half as pissed off as we are. The fact that Kennedy not only wouldn’t put his name on this tripe but instead joined the three conservatives in saying that the entire thing should be thrown out tells us all we need to know about this debacle.

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

The White House has already scoffed at the idea that the mandate is a tax. Why do we continue to think this ruling will change anything they do?

d1carter on June 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

The “medical care” Obama bin Kevorkian delivered to hundreds, if not thousands, of Mexicans, and at least 2 Americans, was a bullet.

VorDaj on June 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

“here’s how Romney put it in a July 30, 2009, op-ed in USA Today in which he’s telling Obama that insuring everyone doesn’t have to cost gajillions of dollars: “Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages ‘free riders’ to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.” “

rjl1999 on June 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Buddahpundit on June 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM

No, of course not, let’s vote on all of them twice. Busy work.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

She was thrilled!

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 8:49 PM

That’s downright mean.

cozmo on June 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

BTW, I just made a King Obama donation in your daughter’s name. Tell her I said Happy Birthday/

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Lol. She’ll love it. I’ll let you sign her teddy bear with the purple SEIU jersey before she unwraps it Christmas morning too.

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Now that Otax is a tax law…
Congress has the authority of tax law…
When will all these people that have been givin’ blinders (Waivers) be removed so they can join the rest of us and take a big bite of the crap sandwich that is Otax?

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Not Waivers, TAX BREAKS.

I’m really loving the lefties screaming (alternatively) “Obama lied about it being a tax so what?” and “It’s *not* a tax!”

I personally don’t think either one plays in Peoria. But the second one is especially amusing — the SCOTUS just held the only way the law is constitutional is to read the mandate as a tax. So, basically, these nitwits -including Axlerod & Carney — screaming “It’s not a tax” are saying the law is unconstitutional.

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Obama web site to soon announce that Obama wants you to kill your dogs and eat them and what you save on food costs to send to him.

VorDaj on June 30, 2012 at 9:04 PM

And if you send your dog’s best filet potions to him that would also be appreciated.

VorDaj on June 30, 2012 at 9:07 PM

rjl1999 on June 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

A state acting ridiculously to effect healthcare is one thing. The states have or had vastly greater taxing authority than the federal government. Also, if the taxes became to onerous, a person was free to leave. The federal government using coercive taxes is much more obscene and the law that passed made it explicitly clear that it was not to be interpreted as a tax. Roberts just said FU to the public and made up the law.

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Agreed. I suspect quid pro quo for Roberts or something real smelly behind the ruling. If Roberts starts buying a really big new house or a fancy new car, we will know the reason.

andy85719 on June 30, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Obama has lost so much power because of this ruling…

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM

There are certainly indications that he’s losing with the white working class. When they are made to realize that in addition to limiting job growth he has another tax waiting in the wings, what will be their reaction? If he thinks they are ‘bitter clingers’ who simply suck it up and take it, he may be surprised.

There are times when I wonder how much he cares about being reelected, particularly when one considers the amount of wreckage “transformation” he’s already done. Perhaps it’s never enough for someone who the ultimate entitlement recipient.

I may be wrong, but Thursday’s ruling does nothing for the economy. It probably makes it worse. There was never any real hope to turn it around enough to help BO, but this isn’t going to change anything for the better. That said, whether people understand what happened last week or not, it will simply be the economy that determines the election.

To be honest, I’m exhausted at the moment. My head is still reeling from this contorted, absurd decision, and the only thing I can think to do is to focus on getting this punk out of the WH.

Enough, already. I can’t take four more years of this insanity.

Cody1991 on June 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

You just can’t make this crap up anymore.

From: Michelle Obama
To: Drew
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:46 PM
Subject: Your seat on Barack’s bus

Drew —

Our family has spent more than a few days on the campaign trail.

We’ve had lots of card games, laughs, and fun family moments on that campaign bus.

Barack is hitting the road again next week, and he’s saving two seats on the bus for a supporter and their guest. We’ll pick the lucky winner in just a few hours.

So make a donation before the big fundraising deadline tonight, and you’ll be automatically entered to join Barack on the road.

The girls and I miss Barack when we’re not on the road with him. But I know he’s looking forward to hanging out with you — so I’ll let you take my seat this time.

Pitch in what you can before tonight’s critical fundraising deadline to be automatically entered to spend some time with Barack on the road:

https://donate.barackobama.com/Tonight

Thanks, and good luck.

— Michelle

They must really be desperate.

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 9:11 PM

They did that already in the original vote. This one would give Democrats the opportunity to vote against it and get brownie points from the stupid demographic of their constituents right before the election.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I respectfully disagree. Yes, some Dems will vote no to gain brownie points, but most of them will now be voting yes to supporting the largest tax hike in America’s history. After shouting from the rooftops for the past 2+ years that it wasn’t a tax. Let’s see how they spin that in their district’s townhall meetings this summer.

As I told Debbie Whatshername-Schultz earlier today, 2010 is going to look like a Sunday School picnic compared to the ****storm that’s coming their way.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 9:11 PM

True, but I’m not sure that has legs outside the Grover Norquist-no-tax echo chamber.

Don’t you betcha.

davidk on June 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

They did that already in the original vote. This one would give Democrats the opportunity to vote against it and get brownie points from the stupid demographic of their constituents right before the election.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I know..
I would think that now OCare is now OTax…
That if the timing is right…
Their constituents would have their eyes open to what is about to come their way…

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Vote. The Constitution is not the stop of big government. The people are. Vote them all out and then keep the unblinking eye on the new people. Just what was in the highway bill that will cause government to shrink. Likely nothing, you have to stop feeding the fire before you put the fire out. 180 million voters have more power than the 535 if they want.

tjexcite on June 30, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Please don’t bother with any dog and pony show repealing Obamacare in the House since it will go nowhere in the Senate and certainly won’t be signed by the occupant of the White House. If I was interested in form over substance I would be a Democrat.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

You’re right about form over substance, but the reason to go forward the House vote to repeal, now, has to do with getting a lot of Dem House members on record either for or against the new “tax”, which will have considerable reverberations in their districts. The ones who vote “for” keeping the tax will be more at risk than already they are and the ones who vote “against” it, and that number is likely to be large, will help blunt the media spin that this new repeal vote was a partisan one. Form, in this instance, becomes substance in the lens of the 2012 election.

Even more, many of the Dem Senators up for election, once this vote is had, are going to be asked how they would vote, if Reid should schedule it on the Senate floor. This has a great potential to help our challengers there as well.

All in all, getting these critters on record as to their support or opposition to a massive middle class tax is a necessary and quite a smart move.

TXUS on June 30, 2012 at 9:14 PM

The White House has already scoffed at the idea that the mandate is a tax. Why do we continue to think this ruling will change anything they do?

d1carter on June 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Well, they might have to worry about subsequent scotus rulings. They don’t seem to care what Obama thinks is or isn’t a tax. Actually, what Obama “thinks” is irrelevant. Politicians have been euphemizing the word “tax” for years.

Buddahpundit on June 30, 2012 at 9:14 PM

I would think that now OCare is now OTax…

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

OCare, then OTax, and then OBrother.

VorDaj on June 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

That’s why Barry has come up with creative ways for us to give. You should have seen my 6 year old daughter’s face when she read her birthday card explaining that I had donated to the Obama 2012 campaing in lieu of getting her the unicorn pillow pet. She was thrilled!

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Is it true that when he was in Colorado he suggested to the people that were burned out that they could send his campaign a piece of the settlement check from the insurance company?

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Pic of the Day: Thanks, Obama.

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/07/pic-of-day-thanks-obama.html

M2RB: Twisted Sister

Resist We Much on June 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

The White House has already scoffed at the idea that the mandate is a tax. Why do we continue to think this ruling will change anything they do?

d1carter on June 30, 2012 at 9:00 PM

This is what I’m wondering about too. What’s the final authority on this? Congress? Does anyone simply in the majority get to call it what they want?

Dongemaharu on June 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

— screaming “It’s not a tax” are saying the law is unconstitutional.

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Dang right about that…

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Yep, started into this and decided that I’m pretty much Obamataxed out. Aside from working to elect Republican majorities and a Republican president, it’s all been pretty much said, and I’m sick and tired of reading about Benedict Roberts and his betrayal of the Constitution. Screw him! When history is written, he will be one of those pointed to as having worked to destroy the freedom and liberty of the citizens of the US while expanding the power of the federal government.

AZfederalist on June 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM

OCare, then OTax, and then OBrother.

VorDaj on June 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Where Art Though?

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Yes, some Dems will vote no to gain brownie points, but most of them will now be voting yes to supporting the largest tax hike in America’s history.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 9:11 PM

I should clarify that, by voting yes to a repeal, they’ll be voting no to supporting Obamacare.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Obama web site to soon announce that Obama wants you to kill your dogs and eat them and what you save on food costs to send to him.

VorDaj on June 30, 2012 at 9:04 PM

… with a doggie bag of leftovers.

Midas on June 30, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Does anyone simply in the majority get to call it what they want?

Dongemaharu on June 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

obama can call it whatever he wants. Though a tax cannot be collected without a law to back it up.

cozmo on June 30, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Though = Thou…
Dang..
Screwed that up:(

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Okay Everyone, I understand, please know that I hold just about everything these people do in contempt. I still think Dems in trouble will vote for it and I still think Reid would die before he let it come to the floor after the narrow pass it got last time. But I don’t mind in the least being wrong. Won’t be the first or the last time.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Please don’t bother with any dog and pony show repealing Obamacare in the House since it will go nowhere in the Senate and certainly won’t be signed by the occupant of the White House. If I was interested in form over substance I would be a Democrat.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I wonder if they are trying to make them own it. I heard they are going to force votes on specific parts of this and they will be emphasizing the taxation angle.

I am not sure, but I wonder if there is some bigger thing going on here.

Terrye on June 30, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Please don’t bother with any dog and pony show repealing Obamacare in the House since it will go nowhere in the Senate and certainly won’t be signed by the occupant of the White House. If I was interested in form over substance I would be a Democrat.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I understand what you are saying.

I’m looking at it as a shot across the bow.

The “shock and awe” will come November.

davidk on June 30, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Pic of the Day: Thanks, Obama.

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/07/pic-of-day-thanks-obama.html

M2RB: Twisted Sister

Resist We Much on June 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

I am so stealing that :)

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Ah, tomorrow is the deadline for filing campaign contributions with the FEC! No wonder after Team Obama insisted all day Thursday & Friday that “they were raising more than Romney” after the Court’s ruling (without giving any *actual* numbers, of course), the campaign sent out the following Tweet:

@BarackObama
We may not outraise Mitt Romney. But we can keep the margin close enough that we can win this election the right way: OFA.BO/LBz2az

I guess the numbers don’t lie.

As a personal aside, I’m dying to know how the Chicago Mob defines “the right way” to win an election.

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 9:19 PM

:)

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Well, if it’s really just a tax provision, then why can’t O’bamacare be repealed through the budget reconciliation process, which, if I recall correctly, only requires 51 senators, not 60?

FerdtheMoonCat on June 30, 2012 at 9:23 PM

FerdtheMoonCat on June 30, 2012 at 9:23 PM

It can…

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:24 PM

To be honest, I’m exhausted at the moment. My head is still reeling from this contorted, absurd decision, and the only thing I can think to do is to focus on getting this punk out of the WH.

Cody1991 on June 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Apparently one needs to be savvy in 8 dimensional chess to get the reasoning. That’s always a good thing for a country, when one guy on the supreme court and blogtortionists are the only ones who understand.

Dongemaharu on June 30, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Does anyone simply in the majority get to call it what they want?

Dongemaharu on June 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Yes! Sort of.

Sparkler? :)

True, but I’m not sure that has legs outside the Grover Norquist-no-tax echo chamber.

Don’t you betcha.

davidk on June 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

You guys don’t have to worry about this. I’ve retooled. I’m going on a crusade (it worked once) to eliminate the entire class “low information voter.” So, I’m sure everyone will be up to speed by election time.

Unless that’s somehow an unreasonable goal, in which case: carry on.

Axe on June 30, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I am so stealing that :)

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Go ahead. :-)

Resist We Much on June 30, 2012 at 9:26 PM

No, of course not, let’s vote on all of them twice. Busy work.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Keep taking their pulse to make sure no one’s smoking crack, I say.
Everything else they do is less important. It’s good to remind Americans that it’s not over. It’s also good to remind us that the Republicans in the House have been rock solid on this from the start. Americans appreciated that in 2010 and rewarded them with majority status.

Buddahpundit on June 30, 2012 at 9:26 PM

As a personal aside, I’m dying to know how the Chicago Mob defines “the right way” to win an election.

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

By voting early and often!

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 9:27 PM

“here’s how Romney put it in a July 30, 2009, op-ed in USA Today in which he’s telling Obama that insuring everyone doesn’t have to cost gajillions of dollars: “Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages ‘free riders’ to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.” “

rjl1999 on June 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

It has already been established that Romney did not raise taxes for that health care bill. And whatever he did, he did with the support of both parties and a vast majority of the population of the state he governed. He did not lie, or bully, or blackmail anyone, he did not shove anything down anyone’s throat.

He had the support of conservatives like DeMint and the Heritage Foundation and he worked with a Democratic legislature.

So you can yak all you want, but it is not the same thing as shoving this crap down the throats of the American people when they have made it plain they want no part of this.

Terrye on June 30, 2012 at 9:28 PM

As I told Debbie Whatshername-Schultz earlier today, 2010 is going to look like a Sunday School picnic compared to the ****storm that’s coming their way.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 9:11 PM

I would say “don’t warn them!” but they’ve got their heads so far up their *sses they won’t believe us anyway & will be shocked! shocked! at the results, just like in the WI recall. Remember this this time 2010? Every Dem within spitting distance of a microphone was laughing hysterically at the thought of losing the House.

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:28 PM

the Rs need to have a laundry list of all the problems with barry.care and how it will seriously damage our h/c system, which will hurt everyone.

i’m not real happy with the rasmussen polling…although we know that there’s variation in the data, barry is doing better since the scotus decision. i know that the error terms and everything…but i do wish romney would be beating barry by about 10 points now

conservative have to face facts…mainly that the people who vote like ‘free stuff’ and are too addled to understand anything deeper than kim kardashian

just think about the vituperation that will be aimed at anyone that tries to undo anything this historic preezy has done.

we know that this was an corrupt congress that fraudulently passed this bill, to further the socialist cause…but, seriously, how many people care?

r keller on June 30, 2012 at 9:29 PM

I am so stealing that :)

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

“One woman global content provider.” :)

Axe on June 30, 2012 at 9:30 PM

rjl1999 on June 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

It has already been established that Romney did not raise taxes for that health care bill. And whatever he did, he did with the support of both parties and a vast majority of the population of the state he governed. He did not lie, or bully, or blackmail anyone, he did not shove anything down anyone’s throat.

He had the support of conservatives like DeMint and the Heritage Foundation and he worked with a Democratic legislature.

So you can yak all you want, but it is not the same thing as shoving this crap down the throats of the American people when they have made it plain they want no part of this.

Terrye on June 30, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Facts hold no power with him. Fantasy is the only thing that counts.

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Reminds me of the week right after the “Cain Scandal” broke when HA became all Herman Cain all the time. Mostly negative.

Hope the new AC has helped you deal with the heat OC.

Have a blessed Sunday.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 8:55 PM

The AC is keeping me chilled darlin’
You have a Blessed weekend as well…

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2012 at 9:31 PM

As a personal aside, I’m dying to know how the Chicago Mob defines “the right way” to win an election.

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

By voting early and often!

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 9:27 PM

LOL! And making sure every dead person votes at least twice!

(This could be a good twitter hashtage game #ObamaWinningtheRightWay).

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:33 PM

greed. I suspect quid pro quo for Roberts or something real smelly behind the ruling. If Roberts starts buying a really big new house or a fancy new car, we will know the reason.

andy85719 on June 30, 2012 at 9:07 PM

I don’t think money has anything to do with it. I think Roberts made this decision to put the ball back in the hands of Congress. After all, this law was created by them, not the Court.

I was disappointed myself and like most people I thought the Court would strike the law down, but by limiting the Commerce Clause and calling this mandate a tax Roberts has given conservatives a way to fight it…but I would still rather have seen it struck down.

Terrye on June 30, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Barack is hitting the road again next week, and he’s saving two seats on under the bus for a supporter and their guest

Amended for accuracy.

hillsoftx on June 30, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Facts hold no power with him. Fantasy is the only thing that counts.

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I know, but I just can not help myself.

Terrye on June 30, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Gah! I am just about over discussing this ruling for a few days. Moratorium, please…

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2012 at 8:47 PM

AMEN my friend.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 9:39 PM

OCare, then OTax, and then OBrother.

VorDaj on June 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

and then OHSHIT!!!

Rio Linda Refugee on June 30, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Quotes of the Day

…A L R E A D Y?
I don’t even have my chores done!

KOOLAID2 on June 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Unquestionably, Obama was not impressed with the foundation for the SC ruling. Here we have a monumental decision that many say will hoist him to the 2012 presidency and he does NOT mention it one time in his Saturday weekly address.

Landslide Nov 2012.

hillsoftx on June 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Please don’t bother with any dog and pony show repealing Obamacare in the House since it will go nowhere in the Senate and certainly won’t be signed by the occupant of the White House. If I was interested in form over substance I would be a Democrat.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

No, it won’t. You’re right.

If they’re smart, however, it’s a matter of taking names for those who support this new tax and using it for political ads. Identify them, and throw it out to the voters. Nail them.

That is the challenge. Use the information to persuade voters.

I hate it, but that is the task Roberts has handed us. We can only hope that the RNC and Romney will use the information effectively.

Cody1991 on June 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Has anybody heard an update on Romney’s fundraising? The last I saw was over 5 million since Thursday.

Not too shabby.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Okay Everyone, I understand, please know that I hold just about everything these people do in contempt. I still think Dems in trouble will vote for it and I still think Reid would die before he let it come to the floor after the narrow pass it got last time. But I don’t mind in the least being wrong. Won’t be the first or the last time.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 9:19 PM

All the House Dems currently in trouble will have no option but to vote with the Repubs to repeal the “tax”, thus giving the vote the “bipartisan seal of approval.” The Dems who would never be in trouble no matter a vote to increase taxes (read Pelosi, Waters, Jackson-Lee, etc.), will do so, without risk. What Roberts and the Court did in turning ObamaCare into ObamaTax is to turn those Dem districts and Senate seats which were potentially safe into seriously at risk, and they are the ones we need to take in November.

And, all this is now possible regardless of what Reid does, and there’s no way he’s going to schedule the repeal for a vote, but don’t forget that in the Senate amendments to a bill on the floor can be proposed and voted on, whether germaine or not to the subject bill. Before November, there will be such attempts by Senate Rs to get the at risk Dem Senators on record as well.

TXUS on June 30, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Unquestionably, Obama was not impressed with the foundation for the SC ruling. Here we have a monumental decision that many say will hoist him to the 2012 presidency and he does NOT mention it one time in his Saturday weekly address.
Landslide Nov 2012.

hillsoftx on June 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Dead man walking.

davidk on June 30, 2012 at 9:43 PM

I was disappointed myself and like most people I thought the Court would strike the law down, but by limiting the Commerce Clause and calling this mandate a tax Roberts has given conservatives a way to fight it…but I would still rather have seen it struck down.

Terrye on June 30, 2012 at 9:33 PM

And give Obama the huge talking point about the activist and racist SCOTUS? I’m still banking heavily on the SCOTUS strike down of the Medicaid stuff. I’m betting that a huge majority of states will opt out.

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 9:43 PM

My lifelong friend Diane (grew up with her and her deceased brother) just bought and installed an above ground pool in her backyard. Pray for her as she flips the bird to her HOA…
I’m going to Papillion to swim, drink and eat after Divine Service tomorrow…

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Cindy M.- I get your point. I really do. But with Nov. Coming it would really help to get our new congress critter Ron Barber that replaced Giffords on record with a vote. What he says is all over the place. A yes or no vote puts it to rest. Does my cd8 congressman want to raise my taxes? I know he does. That vote will let everyone else know.

wolly4321 on June 30, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Has anybody heard an update on Romney’s fundraising? The last I saw was over 5 million since Thursday. gophergirl

5.5 mill. 12hrs ago…latest I could find.

hillsoftx on June 30, 2012 at 9:46 PM

AMEN my friend.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Hey darlin’
And to all my HA Babes…

OmahaConservative on June 30, 2012 at 9:47 PM

5.5 mill. 12hrs ago…latest I could find.

hillsoftx on June 30, 2012 at 9:46 PM

And that is all from small donors like you and me.

46,000 of them the last I heard.

JPeterman on June 30, 2012 at 9:48 PM

5.5 mill. 12hrs ago…latest I could find.

hillsoftx on June 30, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Thanks!

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 9:48 PM

He may be as boring as a piece of stale bread, but I’m very proud of my governor.

Gov. Rick Scott: We are not going to implement Obamacare in Florida

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Is the HHS now considered a branch of the US Government? Are they not key in this bill??

Mr. Arrogant on June 30, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I think Roberts made this decision to put the ball back in the hands of Congress. After all, this law was created by them, not the Court.

I was disappointed myself and like most people I thought the Court would strike the law down, but by limiting the Commerce Clause and calling this mandate a tax Roberts has given conservatives a way to fight it…but I would still rather have seen it struck down.

Terrye on June 30, 2012 at 9:33 PM

I think we’re probably in the minority (which is why I’ve stayed away from Twitter, the boards, etc since Thursday) but I agree. IMO, people tend to see things in a too results-oriented way (i.e., if they like the decision, he did the right thing; if they don’t, he’s a moron). I think the reasoning is stretched, but it isn’t really “rewriting the statute” (as Roberts critics are saying) — it is giving it the “most favorable reading” (which is a legitimate legal view to take & one on which rational people can disagree) to not declare a statute unconstitutional if doing so preserves it.

You know, at the close the Constitutional Congress in 1787 when asked what they gave the new nation, Ben Franklin replied “A republic — if you can keep it.” Keeping it has *always* been up to us, the people, not any of the 3 branches of government per se; we can’t just expect to sit back & think the republic will “keep” itself.

Same thing strikes me about the hand-wringing over this “unlimited” taxing authority. (1) Are people just realizing that Congress has the power to tax? and (2) Do they really think Congress wouldn’t be taxing the heck out of everything if they didn’t fear public backlash? We the people have always been the *only* thing keeping Congress’ taxing power in check.

Dark Star on June 30, 2012 at 9:50 PM

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