Quotes of the Day

posted at 8:30 pm on June 30, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

“(T)he government’s tax power theory is far more radical than the Commerce and Necessary and Proper Clause theory precisely because the Supreme Court has generally deferred to any invocation of the tax power to raise revenue to spend for the general welfare. This normal deference is why the mandate’s defenders shifted the argument from the Commerce Clause to the tax power. Yet if its theory is accepted, Congress would be able to penalize or mandate any activity by anyone in the country, provided it limited the sanction to a fine enforced by the Internal Revenue Service.

This is a congressional power unknown and unheard of before 2010. It would effectively grant Congress a general police power. And we know what existing doctrine says about such a power: ‘The Constitution . . . withhold[s] from Congress a plenary police power that would authorize enactment of every type of legislation.’ Such has been the Supreme Court’s position from the Founding until today.”

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“My guess is that my constituents would appreciate another vote,” Rep. Jo Ann Emerson (R-Mo.) said.

The House GOP already voted to repeal President Obama’s healthcare overhaul as one of its first acts in 2011. But in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the law, party leaders plan to do so again on July 11.

“Obviously we all understand that it’s a statement of principle and it doesn’t have any chance in the Senate, but I think it’s appropriate,” Rep. Charlie Bass (R-N.H.) said Friday.

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I’m in the swamp. A line in a bill that says “PPACA is repealed” would have budgetary effects and a CBO score. Over the last two years I’ve talked to plenty of Republicans who have experience with reconciliation, and they do not think this is an impossible mission. CBO, as Lizza notes, has in the past found Obamacare to be a money-saver for the government, but it may not so find it in 2013. Even if it does, a reconciliation bill could just find a small amount of offsetting savings to make a repeal bill deficit-reducing and thus, under the current rules, eligible for reconciliation.

I don’t think Lizza is right about the individual mandate, either, assuming that individual items in Obamacare had to be repealed one by one. The Supreme Court just said the bill has a tax on being uninsured rather than a mandate. Taxes can be changed through reconciliation.

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Republicans are so upset because one of the basic pillars of the “Obama illegitimacy” canard is that he is operating outside the parameters of the constitution, that he is the point of the shiv aimed at the heart of America.

As the conservative radio host Neal Boortz put it in a Twitter message following the ruling: “I am so sick to death of calling the play-by-play of the destruction of this great country by power-hungry Democrats and the moocher class.”

This ruling has supposedly energized the Republican base. Maybe, but it’s been supporting the repeal of the health care act since it was passed. What’s new? Republicans say that the court called the mandate a tax although Obama had insisted that it wasn’t. True, but I’m not sure that has legs outside the Grover Norquist-no-tax echo chamber.

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ObamaCare will preclude people from having the health care that they like. We have seen this law increase costs, and we are committed to changing that. We are committed to making sure that we can return to patient-based health care in this country, where we can keep costs low, and we can increase access. And that’s why when we return the week of July 9th, I have scheduled a vote for total repeal of the ObamaCare bill to occur on Wednesday, July 11th.



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If Gary Johnson had been governor in Mass instead of Romney, Romneycare never would have come to pass. He wouldn’t even have had to veto it because it probably wouldn’t have come to his desk.

FloatingRock on July 1, 2012 at 4:38 AM

stop making love to Gary Johnson.

He’s a fool, I’ve seen him live.

Slade73 on July 1, 2012 at 4:49 AM

sartana on July 1, 2012 at 4:43 AM

Without question. There are crappy leaders all over the world, it can always get worse, a lot worse. Hope-n-Change is still just as dangerous as it ever was, it doesn’t matter what letter is next to the name. More than once in history sheople have run away from one danger and rushed headlong into one even greater.

The fact that Romney invented Obamacare politically—he opened the door and made it possible in the political realm—is a HUGE deal. People like Obama and Romney don’t belong anywhere near the White House unless it’s on a tour.

FloatingRock on July 1, 2012 at 4:59 AM

I want to have Mark Steyn’s children.

I’m a man.

tell me something I don’t know

Slade73 on July 1, 2012 at 3:50 AM

Now that we know how you’re willing to swing…I’d have guessed Noddy Holder for you, then… :)

Gudbuy T’ Jane

Bizarro No. 1 on July 1, 2012 at 5:23 AM

if romney was governor of wisconsin , trumka would be his chief of staff now.

renalin on July 1, 2012 at 5:52 AM

renalin on July 1, 2012 at 5:52 AM

I dedicate this awesome song from an awesome band to people who are as smart and sane as you are!

Cherry Blossom Clinic Revisited

Bizarro No. 1 on July 1, 2012 at 6:01 AM

renalin on July 1, 2012 at 5:52 AM

This is an autobiography of your life:

I’m a Loser

Bizarro No. 1 on July 1, 2012 at 6:18 AM

Bizarro. loving her was easier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOpNd629wcc

renalin on July 1, 2012 at 6:42 AM

renalin has the power, the fury, and the fighting effectiveness of the kid at 1:51 in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cufQD5Y31ZA

Bizarro No. 1 on July 1, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Who has the balls to fight this thing out at the convention?
America deserves better than mittens milquetoast!
JINDAL/WEST 2012
OR

You tell me, there’s going to be three presidential candidates on the everybody’s ballot in November, and two of them invented Obamacare. The third one did not, and would not have had anything to do with Romneycare or Obamacare, and his political record is far more impressive and successful than either of the other two candidates. The choice is obvious for anybody who opposes Obamacare and the runaway debt and inflation leading to economic malaise that was caused by both parties.

FloatingRock on July 1, 2012 at 3:08 AM

THIS!!! Can I quote you in other blogs (I will attribute to you, of course)?

Pragmatic on July 1, 2012 at 7:15 AM

ranilin is a truth-teller!

Bizarro No. 1 is…..well, bizarro!

Pragmatic on July 1, 2012 at 7:18 AM

reanilin is a truth-teller! [Fixed!]

Pragmatic on July 1, 2012 at 7:18 AM

one more time…renalin is a truth-teller!

Pragmatic on July 1, 2012 at 7:19 AM

can’t say it enough times…renalin is a truth-teller!

Pragmatic on July 1, 2012 at 7:20 AM

I don’t understand why there isn’t a bigger narrative from the GOP that ObamaCare got struck down and that the Supreme Court converted it to ObamaTax after the fact. That ObamaCare would never have passed if it was defined as ObamaTax. The main point being that the original ObamaCare with the mandate is no more.

MrX on July 1, 2012 at 1:53 AM

It’s coming. I guarantee you it’s coming.

John the Libertarian on July 1, 2012 at 1:59 AM

It has already begun.

This will be going out in a mailer.

http://www.gop.com/images/research/what_they_are_saying_about_the_obamacare_decision.pdf

This ad was released on Friday.

Just Another Broken Promise

Watch the talking head shows this morning. I can almost guarantee those on the right will be repeatedly pushing the “Obamacare is a tax increase” narrative.

Flora Duh on July 1, 2012 at 7:26 AM

The fact that Romney invented Obamacare politically—he opened the door and made it possible in the political realm—is a HUGE deal. People like Obama and Romney don’t belong anywhere near the White House unless it’s on a tour.

FloatingRock on July 1, 2012 at 4:59 AM

See, this is why it’s so hard to talk politics with you. You’re obsessed with Romney on an unhealthy level. (Are you thinking that Ron Paul might get the nomination, still? God, help us.)

Mitt Romney was a state governor, in a very liberal state. First, it is valid to say that states may “experiment” with governing methodologies–it’s built into the Constitution. Secondly, what kind of conservative paradise were you thinking Romney would make out of Massachusetts? WWRPD?

Grow up, Float.

RedCrow on July 1, 2012 at 7:34 AM

can’t say it enough times…renalin is a truth-teller!

Pragmatic on July 1, 2012 at 7:20 AM

What did you say again? I think we missed it the second, third, fourth, and fifth times!

Why is it that unhappy, negative, and destructive people like you so often believe you’re more stable, mature, healthy, and productive than people who aren’t like you?

You do make us laugh, though, after we’ve gotten done rolling our eyes at you! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on July 1, 2012 at 7:44 AM

FloatingRock on July 1, 2012 at 4:59 AM

(Are you thinking that Ron Paul might get the nomination, still? God, help us.)

RedCrow on July 1, 2012 at 7:34 AM

Gary Johnson. And he spams thread after thread trying to convince people that he’s one of the most well-known and well-respected former governors to come down the pike in a long time.

Flora Duh on July 1, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Watch the talking head shows this morning. I can almost guarantee those on the right will be repeatedly pushing the “Obamacare is a tax increase” narrative.

Flora Duh on July 1, 2012 at 7:26 AM

You know what’s great? To any Leftie, or thickheaded Rightie who says that Roberts’ ruling has no authority: guess what? It’s now 51 votes in the Senate to repeal 0bamessiahCare, children, not 60, and if you don’t like it, go ask Roberts, I think he knows! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on July 1, 2012 at 7:55 AM

O/T: The message for today. My take.

kingsjester on July 1, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Gary Johnson 3012!!!

Bmore on July 1, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Still looking for a silver lining in the ObamaCare decision ?

Given that the SCOTUS declared a monetary “penalty” to be a tax, I guess
now I can deduct traffic and parking tickets under “Taxes other.”

Got fined by the EPA, FTC, FCC, SEC … deduct it .. they are now taxes
Got a penalty for early withdraw of 401(k) funds … deduct it .. they are now taxes

J_Crater on July 1, 2012 at 10:01 AM

In the Hot Air Headline, Marc Steyn nailed it:

Constitutional Contortions
By Mark Steyn
June 30, 2012 4:00 A.M.
Three months ago, I quoted George Jonas on the 30th anniversary of Canada’s ghastly “Charter of Rights and Freedoms”: “There seems to be an inverse relationship between written instruments of freedom, such as a Charter, and freedom itself,” wrote Jonas. “It’s as if freedom were too fragile to be put into words: If you write down your rights and freedoms, you lose them.”
(snip)
So be it. It’s down to the people now — as it should be. But, meanwhile, a little less deference to judges wouldn’t go amiss. The U.S. Supreme Court is starting to look like Britain’s National Health Service — you wait two years to get in, and then they tell you there’s nothing wrong. And you can’t get a second opinion.
http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/304442

Mr. Steyn knows more about losing “freedom” than most Americans. The Canadian Gov’t legal assault on him should be a warning to we Americans too.
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on July 1, 2012 at 10:55 AM

The fact that Romney invented Obamacare politically—he opened the door and made it possible in the political realm—is a HUGE deal. People like Obama and Romney don’t belong anywhere near the White House unless it’s on a tour.

FloatingRock on July 1, 2012 at 4:59 AM

…Romney has “evolved”!

KOOLAID2 on July 1, 2012 at 11:34 AM

He wouldn’t even have had to veto it because it probably wouldn’t have come to his desk.

FloatingRock on July 1, 2012 at 4:38 AM

I am sure many of Gary Johnson’s public policy positions have merit and look forward to hearing them proposed and considered. His candidacy for any position higher than Mayor of Albuquerque at this point in time would seem to be the act of a fool, or worse.

As a commentator on an otherwise conservative blog, your incessant and unhinged advocacy of pissing on your own voting rights by selecting Gary Johnson for President only identifies you as a bigger fool than Gary Johnson. Growing up would be more constructive…give it some thought.

Jaibones on July 1, 2012 at 1:03 PM

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