Fact Check. Romney “outsourcer in chief” claims?

posted at 11:31 am on June 30, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

We all know the story by now. Mitt was the king of job killers during his time at Bain. Among his many sins, shipping tons of jobs overseas while leaving starving Americans holding out their hands. The oft maligned Factcheck.org takes a looks at the claims and – this time – finds them coming up short.

  • One TV ad, called “Come and Go,” claims that Romney “shipped jobs to China and Mexico.” But two examples cited by the Obama campaign occurred after Romney left Bain. There’s no clear evidence that a third company shipped jobs to China under Romney.
  • A second ad called “Revealed” mocks Romney’s tough talk about cracking down on China’s trade practices by saying “all he’s ever done is send them our jobs” and citing the Washington Post article. But the newspaper article contained no examples of U.S. jobs being shipped to China while Romney was working at Bain.
  • The “Come and Go” ad casts Romney as a “corporate raider,” but that term, loaded with negative connotations, is simply inaccurate. Bain didn’t engage in hostile takeovers when Romney was at the helm.
  • That ad also repeats the claim that as governor of Massachusetts, Romney was “outsourcing state jobs to India.” But it wasn’t the state that outsourced contracts. Rather, Romney vetoed a measure that would have prevented the state from doing business with a state contractor that was locating state customer-service calls in India.

Analysis

Ours was not a comprehensive review of every company Bain Capital invested in — there are hundreds — nor every one of the transactions the company undertook on behalf of those companies. It is incumbent upon the Obama campaign to back up its claims. Our conclusions are based on the examples provided by the Obama campaign and — because the Obama ads cited a Washington Post story — the examples cited in that newspaper’s account.

Outsourcing is a problem for the American economy,and anyone who denies that is living in a dream world. Recent reports have confirmed that some of our largest employers, most notably IBM, are still draining jobs like a whirlpool while expanding their total employment numbers overseas. But before one goes pointing that hot-button gun at a target they need to be able to back it up.

It’s important to note that Romney’s time at Bain was a while ago, when outsourcing was still just getting its feet under the table. Bain wasn’t specializing in sending jobs anywhere, though arguably some of the restructured companies moved their facilities to states with more favorable tax laws. But that’s very different from outsourcing as we know it today.

Patrick Pexton has some details on this you should probably read to fill in the blanks on both sides.

The companies that Bain identified and invested in, while Romney was at the helm, and that were the subject of the disputed June 22 Post article, were these U.S. companies helping the Microsofts of the world to outsource and offshore.

These companies were small in the late 1990s, but they’re giants today. Stream Global Services, ModusLink, and StatsChipPac — present-day descendants of three companies that Bain heavily invested in during Romney’s era — are now among the biggest outsourcing companies in the world, with call centers, factories and facilities, mostly in Asia, but also across the globe, that support U.S. high-tech companies.

Of course, it’s a buzz-phrase that polls pretty well so Team Obama will hit it as hard as they can. In this case, though, the attack comes up long on hyperbole and short on facts.


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The counterattack is the over 50,000 jobs the Obama administration cost the auto industry in the bankruptcy negotiations with GM and Chrysler, and the loss of hundreds of automobile dealerships and the dissolving of Saturn, the only non-union shop GM had.

itsspideyman on June 30, 2012 at 11:36 AM

This is just another one of the pathetic, misleading, foolish bits of Leftwing propaganda from the ailing soul and mind of Axelrod “and associates”.

Axelrod really needs fresh material. His extensive reliance on Communist screed has long since worn thin.

Bain! “Off-shore bank account!” “Out-sourcing!” Axelrod is completely out of ideas.

Lourdes on June 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

This is just another one of the pathetic, misleading, foolish bits of Leftwing propaganda from the ailing soul and mind of Axelrod “and associates”.

Axelrod really needs fresh material. His extensive reliance on Communist screed has long since worn thin.

Bain! “Off-shore bank account!” “Out-sourcing!” Axelrod is completely out of ideas.

Lourdes on June 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Unfortunately, though, Axelrod continues to prop up these stuffed dummies of propaganda campaigns because Obama’s core followers are not wise enough to think with any greater complexity than believing what Axelrod tells them.

Lourdes on June 30, 2012 at 11:42 AM

So Team Obama lied?!

Will this week’s shocks never end?! /

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM

As long as jobs are expensive in the USA, they’ll be shipped overseas to where they are cheaper. Reduce the cost of hiring to a reasonable level and you’ll have much less outsourcing.

vegconservative on June 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Outsourcing is a problem for the American economy,and anyone who denies that is living in a dream world.

…or maybe the people who deny it’s a problem are the ones who’ve bothered to look up how much work is outsourced to the American economy from other countries, bub.

People always seem to forget that the flow goes both ways, and we’re usually bringing in more dollars than we’re sending out.

sockpuppetpolitic on June 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Nice headline!

Jazz Shaw is a so called Internet marketing guru. And so he must know that this headline will be googled and cached. And the low info types will only see: Romney “Outsourcer in Chief” and nothing else. Why not a headline that emphatically debunks the claim?

HotAir is run by a leftist on the weekends.

kevinkristy on June 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Outsourcing is a problem for the American economy … .

… to states with more favorable tax laws.

And fewer gratuitous regulations.

Businesses, to remain competitive, have to be, well, competitive.

Unions, government regs, and eco-wackos have created a non-competitive environment for US businesses.

davidk on June 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM

The part of this whole argument that is truly hilarious, though, is that Dems will scream in righteous indignation against jobs going overseas and how it’s putting American citizens out of work. If those same foreign workers come here illegally to take those jobs from American citizens, however…

sockpuppetpolitic on June 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM

These ads seem like they should be pretty easy for team Romney to counter. Then it should be just as easy to turn them around and point the finger at barack and say, ” under baracks leadership we lost x amount of jobs; chased away x amount of new business because of new beauracracy and sent x billions of dollars to foreign counties because he has not closed the borders, ad infinitim. “

DuctTapeMyBrain on June 30, 2012 at 11:55 AM

the attack comes up long on hyperbole and short on facts.

Team Obama isn’t worried about “facts”. They call WaPo, tell them what “story” to run, then quote WaPo as their “source”.

GarandFan on June 30, 2012 at 11:56 AM

outsourcing: The procuring of services or products, such as the parts used in manufacturing a motor vehicle, from an outside supplier or manufacturer in order to cut costs.

Off shoring: the practice of moving employees or certain business activities to foreign countries as a way to lower costs, avoid taxes, etc.
Please, stop making the same mistake Obama makes. Instead, mock him for being a moron for not knowing the difference.

atlashrugg on June 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM

kevinkristy on June 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Maybe you would prefer this:

http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/obama-is-a-job-outsourcing-hypocrite/

davidk on June 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Yes Barry and Axelrod blatantly lied, but will the low information American public bother to find out?

bayview on June 30, 2012 at 12:02 PM

We could check the ‘Food Stamp President’ charge but there’s no need. The government’s statisticians have saved us that chore.

‘Smart Power’ would be a hoot to fact check if Mark Steyn hasn’t already.

CorporatePiggy on June 30, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Outsourcing is a problem for the American economy,and anyone who denies that is living in a dream world.

Horsesh1t, but whatever. Nice to know you are also as ignorant as Obumbler on the term outsourcing. Outsourcing does not mean opening factories in different countries. Outsourcing means delegating needs to other companies whether they be here in the US or abroad. No company beyond automobile manufacturers build their own vehicles. They outsource that need to a Chinese slave laborer making 1 cent an hour…or maybe to an automobile manufacturer.

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 12:18 PM

“OUTSOURCER in Chief”?

Really? That’s it?

He’s a successful businessman, is worth about a quarter of a billion dollars has houses everywhere, appears to be a normal politician that blows with the wind (but we’re counting on to do the right thing)…….and it’s all about “outsourcing”?

Someone run a check about how many jobs have been outsourced from January 20, 2009 until today? mmmmmmm, I’m guessing that President Lawless is the real outsourcer-in-chief.

And I’d rather have an “OUTSOURCER-IN-CHIEF” than:

The Destoyer-in-Chief.

The JobKiller-in-Chief.

The EconomyWrecker-in-Chief.

The DeathPaneler-in-Chief.

The TAX RAISER-IN-CHIEF.

The Food Stamper-in-Chief.

The Promise Breaker-in-Chief.

The Caliphate Builder-in-Chief.

The Industry Bankrupter-in-Chief.

The Regulator-In-Chief.

Gosh, I could go on for hours.

GOP media office……go get um.

PappyD61 on June 30, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Romney is the Bob Dole of 2012. He’s going to lose in November. It’s going to be a pleasure to witness. Even if by some miracle he pulls off a win, it’s going to be hilarious to see Romney’s laughable platform-of-the-minute fall apart in complete ignominy. The dude has utterly no consistent values. What the hell does Romney stand for? Depends on the day.

bifidis on June 30, 2012 at 12:24 PM

So Team Obama lied?!

Will this week’s shocks never end?! /

Kataklysmic on June 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM

LOL

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Barry in 2009 : “So I guess the answer to the question is, not all of these jobs are going to come back,” Obama said. “And it probably wouldn’t be good for our economy for a bunch of these jobs to come back because, frankly, there’s no way that people could be getting paid a living wage on some of these jobs, at least in order to be competitive in an international setting.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-2009-outsourced-jobs-returning-wouldnt-be-good-our-economy_647895.html

bayview on June 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM

only an ignorant fool or someone who despises this great country would vote fot the socialist obama. i don’t think there are that many socialists-now ignorant fools are another thing altogrther, see above.

Ta111 on June 30, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Romney is the Bob Dole of 2012. He’s going to lose in November. It’s going to be a pleasure to witness. Even if by some miracle he pulls off a win, it’s going to be hilarious to see Romney’s laughable platform-of-the-minute fall apart in complete ignominy. The dude has utterly no consistent values. What the hell does Romney stand for? Depends on the day.

bifidis on June 30, 2012 at 12:24 PM

He’s not a communist and he doesn’t eat dogs. Good enough for me!

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

he “Come and Go” ad casts Romney as a “corporate raider,” but that term, loaded with negative connotations, is simply inaccurate.

There’s no way in hell that little Bammie understands the term ‘corporate raider’. Remember this is Mister “Profits to Earnings Ratio”. Corporate raider just sounded good so they went with it. I expect that they will continue to as well, because they are going after their highschool dropout base.

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 12:36 PM

He’s not a communist and he doesn’t eat dogs. Good enough for me!

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Sounds like we’re missing a constitutional amendment…

CorporatePiggy on June 30, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Outsourcing is a problem for the American economy,and anyone who denies that is living in a dream world

and anyone that UNDERSTANDS why jobs are shipped elsewhere will focus on cost of labor/unions/regulation to address the problem…companies that don’t outsource jobs are irresponsible to their stockholders

winston on June 30, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Gosh, I could go on for hours.

GOP media office……go get um.

PappyD61 on June 30, 2012 at 12:21 PM

The Obama Record

davidk on June 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Romney is the Bob Dole of 2012. He’s going to lose in November. It’s going to be a pleasure to witness. Even if by some miracle he pulls off a win, it’s going to be hilarious to see Romney’s laughable platform-of-the-minute fall apart in complete ignominy. The dude has utterly no consistent values. What the hell does Romney stand for? Depends on the day.

bifidis on June 30, 2012 at 12:24 PM

He’s not a communist and he doesn’t eat dogs. Good enough for me!

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

..way better than that for me. Tell that mirror-fogging concern troll, bifidis, to get a plate glass window installed in his navel so he can see the world. What a stupid creep!

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Axelrod really needs fresh material. His extensive reliance on Communist screed has long since worn thin.
Bain! “Off-shore bank account!” “Out-sourcing!” Axelrod is completely out of ideas.
Lourdes on June 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Actually he doesn’t. Not until every low information voter is fully aware of st romni’s intention of turning this country into a sweat shop where we all work for pennies on the dollar.

You all didn’t think Axe would listen to the limousine cocktail dems like bookie and fast eddy did you?

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Lying by the left is their rite of passage…to something or other…I’m going swimming.

timberline on June 30, 2012 at 12:51 PM

You all didn’t think Axe would listen to the limousine cocktail dems like bookie and fast eddy did you?

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM

And may he never. I am guessing you don’t have the cognitive abilities required to understand what Lourdes is saying.

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Actually he doesn’t. Not until every low information voter is fully aware of st romni’s intention of turning this country into a sweat shop where we all work for pennies on the dollar.

You all didn’t think Axe would listen to the limousine cocktail dems like bookie and fast eddy did you?

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I would love to know what the mechanism for this claim is.

tom daschle concerned on June 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Outsourcing means delegating needs to other companies whether they be here in the US or abroad. No company beyond automobile manufacturers build their own vehicles. They outsource that need to a Chinese slave laborer making 1 cent an hour…or maybe to an automobile manufacturer.

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 12:18 PM

..outsourcing also means that businesses need to be more competitive. In 2000, they sent a ton of IT work offshore to Bangalore and Hyderabad in India and scads of us developers were made redundant.

Then the Indian software developers started raising salary expectations. That and the management and administration factors conspired to eat away at the margin and, starting in 2002, a lot of that work came back to re-tooled, sleeker businesses.

The bottom line is the bottom line — and that includes taxes and costly regulations as well. Something this POTUS Pantload has no clue about!

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Jeffrey Immelt.

BallisticBob on June 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Romney is the Bob Dole of 2012. He’s going to lose in November. It’s going to be a pleasure to witness. Even if by some miracle he pulls off a win, it’s going to be hilarious to see Romney’s laughable platform-of-the-minute fall apart in complete ignominy. The dude has utterly no consistent values. What the hell does Romney stand for? Depends on the day.

bifidis on June 30, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Translated: “Romney’s going to lose in November. But then again, he just might win.”

Brilliant Analysis.

A+

As for “consistent values”, you certainly can’t claim your Dear Leader O’bama has any. After all, in May 2010, it was reported that the Obama administration had selected KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton, for a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through 2011 for military support services in Iraq, just hours after the Justice Department had said it would pursue a lawsuit accusing the Houston-based company of taking kickbacks from two subcontractors on Iraq-related work.

Yep, those are “consistent values”, all right.

You must be so proud of him.

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Sounds like we’re missing a constitutional amendment…

CorporatePiggy on June 30, 2012 at 12:37 PM

I hate to admit this, but I don’t get what you mean by that. :)

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

and anyone that UNDERSTANDS why jobs are shipped elsewhere will focus on cost of labor/unions/regulation to address the problem…companies that don’t outsource jobs are irresponsible to their stockholders
winston on June 30, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Good luck consoling the guy who just got laid off because his job got outsourced to India with that bs.

Hey John- We are giving you the pink slip because this dude in India can perform your role at one third of what we are paying you. Guess what the good news is? You can buy shares in the company now knowing we will beat the street next quarter.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Outsourcing is only logical when trying to be competitive. If it isn’t a core product of a business, and someone else can do it cheaper, not outsourcing is a bad decision.

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

..way better than that for me. Tell that mirror-fogging concern troll, bifidis, to get a plate glass window installed in his navel so he can see the world. What a stupid creep!

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM

I was shocked he knew the word “ignominy”. I was just saying that thanks to Obama, the bar is really pretty low now. LOL

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:59 PM

low information voter

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM

= Democrat Voting Base.

Here’s some Fact-Checking for ya:

In 2011, after Boeing had hired 1,000 new employees to work at its new factory in South Carolina, the Obama administration ordered Boeing to shut down the factory, because the factory was non-union.

Although Obama had promised to have “the most sweeping ethics reform in history,” and had often criticized the role of money in politics, the truth is that after he was elected, he gave administration jobs to more than half of his 47 biggest fundraisers.

Talk about Outsourcing!

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

The 2008 Obama campaign was extremely aggressive in going directly to TV stations to demand they not run adas that they thought were lies. Romney needs to do the same thing with these ads.

rockmom on June 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Good luck consoling the guy who just got laid off because his job got outsourced to India with that bs.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

The job isn’t coming back, and reelecting Dog Eater-in-Chief isn’t going to change a damn thing for the guy who thought remaining a low skilled twit was the way to succeed. What you preach is continued dependance. A funny thing happens though when people are forced to be self reliant. They know more; they become more valuable and productive; and they *gasp* succeed and earn more.

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM

You should be worried. I heard some moron democrat congressman on CSPAN this morning claim that the goal of Obamacare is to catch all of the “freeloaders” who don’t buy insurance even though they can afford it and stick everyone else with the bill when they get sick. That seems to be the new talking point to try to keep people from realizing it is the biggest tax increase in the history of the world. That describes you to a T, based on your previous ramblings. They’re looking for you.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM

rockmom on June 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

He can’t do that because there is nothing inaccurate about the ads. He pioneered outsourcing jobs overseas just like he pioneered the health tax mandate.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Yes! And I am soooooo scared.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Its like a talking point robot. A mouth breathing, low information, democrat automaton.

tom daschle concerned on June 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

The largest tax increase in history.

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Lol. So that is the new GOP talking point.

Hey Johnny- The reason why we shipped your job overseas and why you won’t be able to feed your family is because you are a low skilled twit. Oh and don’t forget to vote for us next election. Thank you.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Yes! And I am soooooo scared.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:09 PM

So you are incapable of purchasing insurance unless forced to do so and you are only happy when made to do something? I think we are starting to understand you and your love for Marxist solutions. I predict though you will be paying the “tax” if ObamaTax is still around in 2014 after you see what ObamaTax has done to insurance premiums.

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Yes! And I am soooooo scared.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:09 PM

You should be. If black Jesus wins, they’ll come after you for your “fair share”. If he loses, you’ll have to find a job based on your abilities, although I guess then you’ll qualify for the subsidized health care fund. Either way, you must be getting pretty nervous.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Lol. So that is the new GOP talking point.

Hey Johnny- The reason why we shipped your job overseas and why you won’t be able to feed your family is because you are a low skilled twit. Oh and don’t forget to vote for us next election. Thank you.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM

How’s this one:
Hey Travon- the reason you can’t even find a low skilled job at McDonalds is because I just granted amnesty to over one million illegals. Don’t forget to send me your graduation money.

Love, Moochelle and Puppy Muncher

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Lol. So that is the new GOP talking point.

Hey Johnny- The reason why we shipped your job overseas and why you won’t be able to feed your family is because you are a low skilled twit. Oh and don’t forget to vote for us next election. Thank you.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Who can’t feed their family in today’s world? Johnny, if he doesn’t know you and grew up with some small amount of shame, will go from A to B and make himself more valuable.

Of course no employer is going to do Johnny the favor of informing he is a low skilled twit because we live in a PC world in which mediocrity and failure are rewarded. So Johnny won’t know he needs to improve himself and instead imagine he is entitled to free everything just because. Johnny will also be paying the ObamaTax when he sees his being a twit cannot allow him to ever possibly pay the skyrocketing insurance premiums created by ObamaTax.

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Excellent point. I will vote st romni in November.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM

So you are incapable of purchasing insurance unless forced to do so and you are only happy when made to do something? I think we are starting to understand you and your love for Marxist solutions. I predict though you will be paying the “tax” if ObamaTax is still around in 2014 after you see what ObamaTax has done to insurance premiums.

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

He was bragging about not having insurance and sticking everyone else with the bill if he needs medical care, so yeah, you pretty much have him figured out.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Romney is the Bob Dole of 2012. He’s going to lose in November. It’s going to be a pleasure to witness. Even if by some miracle he pulls off a win, it’s going to be hilarious to see Romney’s laughable platform-of-the-minute fall apart in complete ignominy. The dude has utterly no consistent values. What the hell does Romney stand for? Depends on the day.

bifidis on June 30, 2012 at 12:24 PM

He’s not a communist and he doesn’t eat dogs. Good enough for me!

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

THIS, x 1,000,000,000,000,000

PappyD61 on June 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM

He pioneered outsourcing jobs overseas

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM

I wasn’t aware Romney was the very first executive to do this. Have you got any credible evidence to support your Lie?

You must be so proud, knowing your Dear Leader has to Lie through his teeth in his campaign ads in order to reach his low information Democrat voting base.

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Unfortunately, though, Axelrod continues to prop up these stuffed dummies of propaganda campaigns because Obama’s core followers are not wise enough to think with any greater complexity than believing what Axelrod tells them.
Lourdes on June 30, 2012 at 11:42 AM

very true. But it’s also a good strategy because tons of voters are not wise enough to think with any greater complexity than believing what Axelrod (and Obummer and the MSM) tells them.

KS Rex on June 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

As long as jobs are expensive in the USA, they’ll be shipped overseas to where they are cheaper. Reduce the cost of hiring to a reasonable level and you’ll have much less outsourcing.

vegconservative on June 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM

More than just the cost of hiring, it’s the total cost of doing business. Until you have operated a modern manufacturing plant, you don’t comprehend what utility bills do to you, and remember Jackass wants the cost of electricity to “necessarily skyrocket”.

Add to that the threat from greedy unions via micro-unions, and the rest of the NLRB’s schemes, Cap and Trade and other environmental AGW nonsense, lawyers preying on business via ADA, costs of Obamacare, OSHA intimidation, attacks on businessmen that do nothing more than contribute to Republicans, etc, etc, etc.

I really have to wonder why anyone would open a business in an America with Jackass as president. I certainly wouldn’t.

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 1:32 PM

BTW, Don’t feed the trolls.

If you have “friends” that are on Facebook or Twitter or what have you that you know are just NO-MATTER-WHAT Democrats THEN CUT THEM LOOSE until after the election. You are just wasting your time.

Focus on the friends that you have that are Independents that you can hammer with facts and ridicule on the Dems leaders like Pelosi with her “Teddy Kennedy helped us from heaven” comment. Post some of dumber than a rock Joe Biden (maybe his Lunchbucket comment last week) or maybe a side by side of Reagan in his September 1980 launch where he talked about losing your job in a recession and then Joe Biden made up the same story about when he was a boy and he was called “JOEY”.

Ridicule their leaders.

Make them embarassed to vote for them, like they did with Palin in 2008.

PappyD61 on June 30, 2012 at 1:32 PM

He pioneered outsourcing jobs overseas…
Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Huh? Evidence, please. Mmm-hmm, I didn’t think so.

KS Rex on June 30, 2012 at 1:33 PM

He was bragging about not having insurance and sticking everyone else with the bill if he needs medical care, so yeah, you pretty much have him figured out.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM

What a pathetic twit. And he has no clue that the ObamaTax is going to price him right out of health insurance entirely. He will continue to be incredibly ignorant as he pays the ObamaTax and complains about “greedy” insurance companies because they keep raising their rates because of policies born out of ObamaTax and the purchasing habits of twits like himself.

NotCoach on June 30, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Is the Obama puppet Uppereastside trying its games again?

Remember this:

The Obama Party says unemployment is better than jobs.

The Obama Party wants US factories shut down and US workers thrown out.

The Obama Party consists of executives that steal billions of dollars.

The Obama Party is led by lying tax cheats

Those are facts. Barack Obama and his shills like Uppereastside are liars.

And the reason we see this now is because the liberal filth like Uppereastside know that the Republicans will force them out of their government-subsidized apartments like their Rangel, force them to pay the taxes they’ve been dodging, and insist that they get jobs instead of committing welfare fraud.

Uppereastside is looking at having to work for the first time in its life, and it’s screaming and writhing like a leech being pulled off a leg.

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Is the Obama puppet Uppereastside trying its games again?

Remember this:

The Obama Party says unemployment is better than jobs.

The Obama Party wants US factories shut down and US workers thrown out.

The Obama Party consists of executives that steal billions of dollars.

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM

And don’t forget that Uppereastside’s own Congressman, and indeed the entire Obama Party, are lying tax cheats

Those are facts. Barack Obama and his shills like Uppereastside are liars.

And the reason we see this now is because the liberal filth like Uppereastside know that the Republicans will force them out of their government-subsidized apartments like their Rangel, force them to pay the taxes they’ve been dodging, and insist that they get jobs instead of committing welfare fraud.

Uppereastside is looking at having to work for the first time in its life, and it’s screaming and writhing like a leech being pulled off a leg.

northdallasthirty on June 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I will vote st romni in November.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Romney used private money to outsource jobs elsewhere.

O’bama’s not. He’s using tax dollars.

Which is more important to you? A free market, or enforced Government slavery?

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Sounds like we’re missing a constitutional amendment…

CorporatePiggy on June 30, 2012 at 12:37 PM

I hate to admit this, but I don’t get what you mean by that. :)

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Oh, just a simple amendment to the constitution.

No person who is a Communist or a Dog Eater shall be eligible to be POTUS.

Then the Indian software developers
The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I was part of an executive team that decided to go very heavily into off-shoring software development. I dissented strongly but was outnumbered.

Long story short was that it was a monstrously expensive failure. The usual arguments were made at the front end – potentially massive cost savings and access to an enormous highly skilled (ahem) workforce.

We ended up terminating the relationship and having to hire domestically at great cost to clean up what was about to become a SCOAMF.

For technology we now in-source some foreign workers with niche skills. The significant outsourcing is done to US companies employing US workers. Not because we are Sean Hannity’s Great Americans but because it simply makes business sense.

I’ve run across other people at other companies who had the exact same experience – some companies refuse to outsource technology entirely now.

CorporatePiggy on June 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Don’t complain about jobs getting outsourced, then continue to vote in politicians who make it more expensive to do business in the US.

Highest corporate tax rate in the world = Companies will ship jobs over seas to stay competitive. You own any Apple products? If you do you support outsourcing. People love being fed all of this populist BS by politicians, but when it comes down to it, they still buy iPhones, then complain about outsourcing, It’s laughable.

Go turn Bill O’Reilly back on

1984 in real life on June 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I would love to know what the mechanism for this claim is.

tom daschle concerned on June 30, 2012 at 12:53 P

DNC talking points for leftoid drones.

Solaratov on June 30, 2012 at 2:27 PM

CorporatePiggy on June 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM

LOL- Who’d have thought we would have to write these things down?

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 2:41 PM

I was shocked he knew the word “ignominy”. I was just saying that thanks to Obama, the bar is really pretty low now. LOL

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:59 PM

..sorry to respond so late, night owl, but had to do the weekly duties. Anyway, I have great sympathy for those who might be frustrated with Romney for conservative reasons and heartily welcome them to the fold, not to convey any condescension whatsoever.

..the sympathy, however, does not extend to obdurate, intransigent fools like spina bidifa, however.

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 3:11 PM

The thing is that there is outsourcing and there is outsourcing. It is the KIND of outsourcing that is a potential problem. For example, say you are a company that is downsizing. You might decide you don’t need that payroll department and outsource that to a company that specializes in doing that for other companies. You might also find that there is less need for in-house IT staff and contract that work out to another company, too.

So outsourcing doesn’t necessarily mean sending jobs overseas, it can mean simply contracting out for services you can’t justify having permanent full-time staff doing. Often that can be done more cheaply than hiring your own staff full time.

crosspatch on June 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Fact Check.

a Democrat WILL ALWAYS LIE!…….TRUE…!!!

KOOLAID2 on June 30, 2012 at 5:50 PM

..way better than that for me. Tell that mirror-fogging concern troll, bifidis, to get a plate glass window installed in his navel so he can see the world. What a stupid creep!

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Well, now, what do you expect, someone who chooses a gut bacteria as his handle/nick is just that, a gut bacteria, or shall we call it a lactobacillus :)…

jimver on June 30, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Lol. So that is the new GOP talking point.

Hey Johnny- The reason why we shipped your job overseas and why you won’t be able to feed your family is because you are a low skilled twit. Oh and don’t forget to vote for us next election. Thank you.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Well, if I were your employer I’d sure like heck outsource your job too, an idiot like you can’t possibly have a set of decent skills and competencies in any field, so as far as I am concerned employers taking jobs from retards like you and outsourcing them to better, more ethical and more skilled people abroad do us all a service actually…

jimver on June 30, 2012 at 7:42 PM

The reason the jobs were sent overseas is probably a matter of a lesser of two evils. Ship 10 or 100 jobs overseas in order to say the other hundreds or thousands of jobs.

But Democrats would rather see the whole company come crashing down and everyone lose their job than to see a small portion of the work shipped overseas so the rest of the jobs can be saved.

Democrats aren’t sustainable.

crosspatch on June 30, 2012 at 10:18 PM