E-mails reveal retaliation, cover-up at ATF, DoJ following Fast & Furious exposure

posted at 10:01 am on June 30, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I recall a time when Democrats regularly lionized whistleblowers … during the Bush administration, of course.  The media hailed them as heroes; Time Magazine even made them the collective Person of the Year for 2002.  Democrats loved them so much that they ran one of the whistleblowers on that cover in my Congressional district in 2006 against Rep. John Kline, a former Marine colonel that Colleen Rowley’s campaign photoshopped into a Nazi uniform for their campaign website.  Needless to say, Rowley has disappeared back into well-deserved obscurity, while Kline still represents my district.

These days, in the Obama era, Democrats and the media seem a lot less admiring of whistleblowers, oddly enough.  Imagine for a moment that Rowley had been assigned a new boss at the FBI after her whistleblowing, one that had told others that the agency needed to “get whatever dirt we can” on her to “take her down,” and especially if that boss had previously said in the presence of at least one witness that the FBI needed to “f**k” said whistleblower.  Can you imagine the media meltdown that would have occurred?  Well, you’re going to have to be satisfied with imagining it, but Senator Charles Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa want answers as to why two Operation Fast and Furious whistleblowers got assigned to work for a man who said exactly that about them:

In a Friday letter to the DOJ’s Inspector General Michael Horowitz, Grassley and Issa said they’re now concerned retaliation is much more likely following Thursday’s votes to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal and civil contempt of Congress.

“We just learned that ATF senior management placed two of the main whistleblowers who have testified before Congress about Fast and Furious under the supervision of someone who vowed to retaliate against them,” they wrote before describing how senior political figures have made dangerous threats before.

Grassley and Issa said that in early 2011, right around the time Grassley first made public the whistleblowers’ allegations about Fast and Furious, Scot Thomasson – then the chief of the ATF’s Public Affairs Division – said, according to an eyewitness account: “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”

Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.”

According to Grassley and Issa, when Thomasson was asked about whistleblowers’ allegations that guns were allowed to walk, Thomasson said he “didn’t know and didn’t care.”

That’s not all that Issa and Grassley want to know, either.  Departing Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote the now-infamous letter of February 2011 to Grassley that asserted the DoJ had no knowledge of gunwalking in OF&F.  Newly released e-mails now show Weich and former acting ATF head Ken Melson cc’ed on e-mails discussing how to respond to Congressional inquiries on just this point.  A January 12, 2011 memo from ATF circulated within the agency briefs officials about how to respond to this question:

“Some media reports, referencing an anonymous ATF official, claim that ATF knowingly “walked” about 1,900 firearms across the US-Mexico border as part of this operation.  What can you tell me about that?” — Or — “The news release/indictment indicates that A TF waited until nearly 2,000 guns were
illegally purchased before arresting the straw buyers in this case. Why did ATF wait so long?”

ANSWER: It’s not against the law for an individual to purchase 10,20 or 50 or even 100 guns at one time. It’s not illegal to own or possess hundreds of guns; however, it is illegal to straw purchase firearms for those who cannot possess them legally. Operation Fast and Furious became a long-term investigation because of the amount of time it took to gather enough evidence against those who were supplying these violent criminals with the tools of their trade. We needed to ensure that when we did arrest these individuals, justice would be served.

ANSWER: Knowing what it takes to prosecute these types of federal violations is the best way to understand why this investigation took as long as it did and utilized so many resources. Investigations of this type are often long and complicated due to the fact that firearms are a legal commodity being diverted for illegal use. When conducting these investigations we have found that the end user of often shrouded by many layers of straw purchasers and middlemen whose sole purpose is to hide the connection between the first retail purchaser and the violent criminal. Determining when the firearm leaves legal commerce can be extremely difficult and therefore hard to prove.

In other words, the gunwalking was common enough knowledge that the ATF prepared a formal memo (see attachment 2) to instruct officials how to respond to questions about it on January 11, 2011.  Yet when Congress asked Weich to inform them, Weich prepared a response three weeks after that ATF briefing memo was published that outright denied it ever happened, and the DoJ did not correct that testimony for another ten months.  Either Weich is one of the most incompetent bureaucrats in recent history, or he and the ATF were trying to cover up their gunwalking from Congress.  Intimidating whistleblowers had to be part of that strategy; Weich’s position would have been — and turned out to be — untenable while whistleblowers kept tipping off Congress.

So when will the media fall back in love with whistleblowers?  I’ll go out on a limb and predict it will be when a Republican gets elected President.  May that day come soon.


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And it wasn’t just Mexico… They did it in Honduras as well

I hope Holder enjoyed his trip to Disney World.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

WTF?

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM

..strike =/= quote, I’m guessing!

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Are these the same videos as the ones you put up last week? I watched all of those. I especially like the one that has the guy from the State Department standing next to Robert Gibbs announcing how they are part of the “program” and how much stimulus money was being spent for it. Hillary knew nothing about it my butt.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

No. That link was proof that stimulus money funded Project Gun Runner, Fast and Furious. Sorry, no video. You have to read it.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:41 AM

tetriskid on June 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM

It certainly is suggestive but is way to vague to prove anything.

chemman on June 30, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Tossed for the Truth? ATF Fires ‘Project Gunrunner’ Whistleblower

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Keep ‘em coming and pass the popcorn. Check out the ones that show Gunrunner was also in Tampa.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:42 AM

No. That link was proof that stimulus money funded Project Gun Runner, Fast and Furious. Sorry, no video. You have to read it.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Thanks, I did read that too. There is so much lying going on it’s hard to keep up with. I was just trying to avoid going to YouTube because that frequently causes my crappy computer to get that “blue screen of death”.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Daily Caller has been down for hours now.

Does anyone know what the heck this means?

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Guru Meditation:

XID: 895290104

Varnish cache server

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

I’ve experienced several server errors on multiple sites over the last 2 days. Insurance, sites, shopping sites, etc. Thought it might have been from my end, a DSL issue. Are we seeing some large scale hacking going on?

LynnB74 on June 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Hmmm. I couldn’t get to Michelle Malkin, both website & android app, several times about 3 hours ago. Had to refresh about 4 or 5 times before getting thru on each story. After about 3 articles, I gave up.

Then about 20 mins ago, I got an error message, right here on HA, from my android when opening the browser — “URL not recognized” After trying to refresh a couple of times, I shut the browser down then re-opened w/o problem. Funny thing is that HA is my default homepage whenever I open the android browser and has been for almost two years since I had this smartphone.

Speaking of which, does anyone else have a Galaxy with Android 2.3 and have the browser crash repeatedly on startup? Only seemed to happen on a daily basis since I upgraded to 2.3 a few months ago.

AH_C on June 30, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Thanks, I did read that too. There is so much lying going on it’s hard to keep up with. I was just trying to avoid going to YouTube because that frequently causes my crappy computer to get that “blue screen of death”.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 11:44 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Try BING. Same videos from you tube, but it’s not Google.

BING

Because
It’s
Not
Google

Much safer

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Speaking of which, does anyone else have a Galaxy with Android 2.3 and have the browser crash repeatedly on startup? Only seemed to happen on a daily basis since I upgraded to 2.3 a few months ago.

AH_C on June 30, 2012 at 11:44 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Android is powered by Google.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Mexican cartels expand into Honduras

But let’s just do amnesty. Because it is the “right thing to do” for ALL hispanics. Right Obama?

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Barack Obama and Eric Holder and Janet Napolitano might have funded this horror

Warning: Not safe for human beings.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Grassley and Issa said that in early 2011, right around the time Grassley first made public the whistleblowers’ allegations about Fast and Furious, Scot Thomasson – then the chief of the ATF’s Public Affairs Division – said, according to an eyewitness account: “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”

Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.”

So are these whistleblowers heroes and Bradley Manning’s a traitor, or is it the other way around? Can’t seem to keep it straight.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 30, 2012 at 11:55 AM

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From the Daily Caller. We had some pretty severe storms last night in western PA as well. I was watching the radar as it happened, and it’s the first time I ever heard of this.

PatriotGal2257 on June 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM

And it wasn’t just Mexico… They did it in Honduras as well

I hope Holder enjoyed his trip to Disney World.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

They also walked guns to street gangs, IIRC, Chicago & Indianapolis.

Methinks the coverup may well be that some guns have already been linked to gang killings here in the US. If so, how will the demonrats explain to their Black and Latino base that it was justifiable? That a few gangbangers and innocent driveby victims had to die so that we can get rid of guns once and for all?

These libs are so butthurt stupid. All they have to do is look across the pond to England to see that banning guns, knives and clubs did nothing to slow down death and violence by thugs.

Heck even in Germany, I’ve seen Vietnamese black market cigarette gangs running around with Saturday night specials stashed in their waistbands with cops standing around by their paddy wagons just yards away from them at Europa Center. And that was back in the late 90s and early 00s. I’m guessing the cops don’t want to be too aggressive lest the place turns into a shooting spree and of course, the German MSM never reports on killings unless there are too many witnesses and word got out before the cone of silence could be locked in. Speaking of which, a Berliner friend of mine had a neighbor stab his girlfriend repeatedly with a screwdriver then throw her off the balcony to her death. Dude was a Turk and the press only covered it as “girl fell to death in accident during argument”. This while my friend heard the arguments and saw the bloody screwdriver from his balcony and gave his eyewitness account to the cops. That’s when I knew Europe was done for and time to come back home in 06. But thanks to the demonrats, it’s like I never left the crazy suicide pact between State and constituents.

AH_C on June 30, 2012 at 12:00 PM

AH_C on June 30, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I hope this isn’t related but we’ll never know. Because if we try to find out, we’re racist.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 12:03 PM

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From the Daily Caller. We had some pretty severe storms last night in western PA as well. I was watching the radar as it happened, and it’s the first time I ever heard of this.

PatriotGal2257 on June 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

I think they’re about to break something and it’s not dishes.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 12:05 PM

The stupidity of people who write emails about using governement agencies to ‘f***’ people…

Sure it’s arrogance but its also weapons grade idiocy to assume an email is private and will never see sunlight.

Even the mentally challenged should have learned this by the time Enron blew up.

Still, these are useful idiots.

CorporatePiggy on June 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Ed, that isn’t the only Fast and Furious story that came out yesterday.

Obama Contributor, Who Helped Enact Assault-Weapons Ban, Ran ‘Fast and Furious’

(CNSNews.com) – Dennis K. Burke, who as a lawyer for the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee in the 1990s was a key player behind the enactment of the 1994 assault-weapons ban, and who then went on to become Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano’s chief of staff, and a contributor to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential primary campaign, and then a member of Obama’s transition team focusing on border-enforcement issues, ended up in the Obama administration as the U.S. attorney in Arizona responsible for overseeing Operation Fast and Furious.

When Obama nominated Burke to be U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona, Burke told the Arizona Capitol Times he believed he understood what the president and his attorney general wanted him to do.

ATF Talking Point: Terry’s Death ‘Exact Reason Why We Must Continue’

The ATF’s public relations hoped to use Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s death in Operation Fast and Furious to promote the bureau’s work, a newly released document shows.

Senator Chuck Grassley and House oversight chairman Rep. Darrell Issa sent a letter Friday to the Inspector General at the Department of Justice. The focus of the letter is the potential for retaliation toward two Fast and Furious whistleblowers, but in the course of expressing their concerns, Grassley and Issa reference ATF talking points about the death of Agent Brian Terry. At least one of the talking points seems designed to capitalize on Terry’s death as a reason to further the very investigation which put a weapon in the hands of his murderer.

The document, which is added as an attachment to the Grassley/Issa letter, is dated 1/12/11. It is stamped with the ATF official seal and contains a warning in the header “Not for Public Dissemination/For Internal Use Only.” It shows that the ATF was concerned about the appearance of the gun walking operation and especially its connection to Agent Terry’s murder. The memo offers sample questions which reporters might ask…

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

HA is always a couple of days behind on F&F. Too controversial I suppose.

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM

From Jim Treacher

@jtLOL Yes, http://t.co/ty0nWs1g got hit by the storm. If you need details, I can only quote Cap: “It appears to run on some form of electricity.”

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 12:11 PM

From Jim Treacher

@jtLOL Yes, http://t.co/ty0nWs1g got hit by the storm. If you need details, I can only quote Cap: “It appears to run on some form of electricity.”

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 12:11 PM

LOL, that sounds like me!

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:18 PM

where is Kevin O’Reilly?

ted c on June 30, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Lanceman
Come on buddy, you really don’t think the GOP has the intestinal fortitude to follow thru???//////……..;)

angrymike on June 30, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Too a-skeered of the black man.

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 12:20 PM

“President” Obama pushes Anti Gun Control Includes Holder.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Dodson went public about the agency’s controversial gunwalking tactics in an interview with CBS News in February 2011. He later testified before Congress along with Forcelli.

It is difficult to understand why ATF leadership would put two of these courageous whistleblowers at the mercy of an individual who made such reckless, irresponsible and inaccurate comments about them 18 months ago,” say the members of Congress in today’s letter to the Inspector General. The letter also asks “what steps, if any, are being taken to ensure that Thomasson does not use his new position to engage in a campaign of retaliation along the lines he expressed a desire to conduct last year.”

per sharyl atkisson, link above.

ted c on June 30, 2012 at 12:26 PM

where is Kevin O’Reilly?

ted c on June 30, 2012 at 12:19 PM

What happened to THIS GUY?

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 12:27 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57464286-10391695/fast-and-furious-whistleblowers-now-supervised-by-atf-manager-who-allegedly-threatened-retaliation/?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea

ted c on June 30, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Thank Goodness for Sharyl Attkisson. She’s the only one among the alphabets giving this coverage and has been doing so from the beginning.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 12:28 PM

From the original rollcall story: “Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy.”

Now from the wiretap applications that Issa released we know this is not true.

So one of two things is true: either House Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD)is a willing party to Holder’s coverup, or he has been played for a putz by Holder and should now be enraged. Which is it?

Now remember we already know that Cummings is a lying piece of dogcrap because he was a key player in the fake “spitting and using n-word” story during Princess Nana’s now famous croque-mallet slow-walk.

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 12:30 PM

http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2012/06/29/the-fast-furious-noose-tightens-around-doj/

Issa, however, has whistleblower sources inside DOJ. He’s thus been supplied with at least some of the application materials. He has now made some of that public. Though at least some of the documents are sealed, he published some of their contents during the House debate over the vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt. That means he acted under the protection of the Constitution’s Speech and Debate Clause, which immunizes members of Congress for statements and acts connected to legislative activity.

ted c on June 30, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Speaking of which, does anyone else have a Galaxy with Android 2.3 and have the browser crash repeatedly on startup? Only seemed to happen on a daily basis since I upgraded to 2.3 a few months ago.

AH_C on June 30, 2012 at 11:44 AM

I have a different Android phone but I switched to Opera Mini a few months ago and I never looked back. It’s way faster and easier to use than the default browser.

joekenha on June 30, 2012 at 12:31 PM

This is the kind of leakers the Obama administration will actually pursue unlike national security leaks.

What I want to know is how Holder can both claim to have ended gunwalking and claim to be unaware of Fast and Furious until long after it ended.

The truth unfortunately is that we will not learn what was going on in the Justice Dept. until there is a change in power and then the MSM will call it old news and a partisan vendetta if there is any attempt at prosecution.

KW64 on June 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

It’s not retaliation, it’s a tax.

29Victor on June 30, 2012 at 12:34 PM

What happens to the documents when we have a new Admin. voted in November?

SoldiersMom on June 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Rolling brownouts in the DC area from the power drain caused by widespread document shredding.

CJ on June 30, 2012 at 12:36 PM

A bloodless Civil War

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57464286-10391695/fast-and-furious-whistleblowers-now-supervised-by-atf-manager-who-allegedly-threatened-retaliation/?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea

ted c on June 30, 2012 at 12:22 PM

That’s encouraging, and so were the comments. Only one said F&F was made up by Republicans, but I suspect he was being sarcastic.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Android is powered by Google.
Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I know :(. What am I to do? I won’t use apple, so I guess I’m going back to M$ on the next phone. Speaking of which, YouTube won’t even play right on this android. The audio is fine but the video freezes for several seconds before flipping to another frame and freezing again over and over thru-out any video I watch. And Google owns YouTube. If I want to watch, I have to do it on my laptop.

AH_C on June 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM

This link from Flora

Obama Contributor, Who Helped Enact Assault-Weapons Ban, Ran ‘Fast and Furious’

is particularly worthy of attention.

For those who haven’t been following this story semi-obsessively since late 2010, it is difficult to unravel. The interwoven connections of the players is very complicated. The story of Dennis Burke, linked above, goes a good ways towards explaining.

I also recommend going here

Sipsey Street Irregualars

And reading the Journalists Guides linked in the column on the right side of the page.

There is also an interview with Bill Newell being pushed by MSNBC, but I don’t recommend watching it unless you have a pretty good grip on the facts of Fast and Furious, and do not have high blood pressure. Newell packs more falsehoods, misrepresentations, and lies into that interview than I could have imagined beforehand.

If you have any doubt about just what a vile scumbag is Bill Newell, here is a little review of his management style. Again, not for those with high blood pressure.

Newell Ignored Death Threats Against Agent Who Infiltrated Hell’s Angels

If Burke and Newell don’t wind up in the federal pen, justice is not being served.

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

If I want to watch, I have to do it on my laptop.

AH_C on June 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Imagine what would happen if you just un-plugged! The 70′s

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 12:57 PM

“Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades,” the warning said. “Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez.”

At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence.

“I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts,” he said.

Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.

“It’s something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign,” he said. “There are obviously a number of things that are — that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I’m not sure exactly what the sequencing will be.”

In a brief interview with ABC News, Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Association, said, “I think there are a lot of Democrats on Capitol Hill cringing at Eric Holder’s comments right now.”

During his confirmation hearing, Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee about other gun control measures the Obama administration may consider.

“I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller,” Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual’s right to own a weapon.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:36 AM

so…2nd amendment assault on this side of the border & fomenting armed insurrection by criminals on the other side of the border…all in one “tidy” operation…just another successful day at the office for the Fascist in Chief

workingclass artist on June 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

That means he acted under the protection of the Constitution’s Speech and Debate Clause, which immunizes members of Congress for statements and acts connected to legislative activity.

ted c on June 30, 2012 at 12:30 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

The beauty of that is that Cummings lost an opportunity to counter with expulatory evidence because he stomped off in a huff with the CBC and wasn’t on the floor to enjoy that same privilege.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

If Burke and Newell don’t wind up in the federal pen, justice is not being served.

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

This is the site that deserves the credit. The guy’s been working this since 2009

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM

I suppose we’ll never know if any of the guns used in the recent uptick in gunshot violence in Chicago originated in this mess. I betcha Rahm has access to that data locked down tight.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

so…2nd amendment assault on this side of the border & fomenting armed insurrection by criminals on the other side of the border…all in one “tidy” operation…just another successful day at the office for the Fascist in Chief

workingclass artist on June 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Meh, it goes back to the Clintoon era. Brock just thought he could get away with it cuz Holder’s Black and literally told us We are a Nation of Cowards

Follow the linkage.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 1:07 PM

I recall a time when Democrats regularly lionized whistleblowers … during the Bush administration, of course. The media hailed them as heroes; Time Magazine even made them the collective Person of the Year for 2002.

That’s all you need to know about leftists. They screamed like bloody hell about having to change Time’s Man of the Year to Person of the Year as an alleged matter of “discrimination against women” but then went on to give the award to groups and even non-human objects, neither of which even remotely qualifies as a “person”. So, if they didn’t care about what the label in the title was – with regard to what would get this laughable award – then why bother to ever change it from “Man of the Year” to start with? Because that is the essence of leftists, to be despicable, lying, scumbags who are only oriented towards tearing down civilization – a bunch of nihilistic misanthropes who hide their hate of all humanity and civilization in bald-faced lies about wanting to help Mankind. I CANNOT recall a time when leftists were not this way, from their modern beginnings in the French Revol… up until today. Leftists are always in favor of whatever they think will bring society to chaos and will involve great pain to all those nasty, evil, terrible humans who are infesting the planet.

Their attitude towards whistleblowers has never changed. If the whistleblower is harming society – and most specifically, harming America – then the left lionizes them. If not, then the left is utterly opposed to them. It has always been this way. ALWAYS.

As to Fast and Furious and its clear intention to kill Americans and our Constitution, no matter what … who is surprised by any of this? We all should have known that this was the sort of thing that an America-hating, Dog-Eating, Third World Retard was going to do when America voted him in in 2008 in order to carry out Suicide by Indonesian. None of this should surprise anyone. This is what AMerica-hating non-natural born citizens do when given the power to take down the greatest nation that has ever existed. Many of us tried to warn people about this. John Jay tried to warn people about this. But cowardly “conservatives” couldn’t stand up for principle, our Constitution, or even plain old common sense. Intentionally and publicly jumping on people who merely wanted our Constitution held to led the America-hater to understand that America was ripe for total destruction.

You will not find anything more patently anti-American and underhanded than what we see in Fast and Furious. Everything about it is designed to kill this nation, enslave the citizenry (those who survive), and put an end to this once greatest nation. And it’s all being carried out by some of the most retarded, inept and incompetent pseudo-humans to ever hold the reins of Executive power in America.

It’s one thing to be taken down by a superior enemy. One can understand that. But to be crushed by the biggest idiots and nincompoops on the planet … that’s the ultimate insult and the ultimate historical crime.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM

The beauty of that is that Cummings lost an opportunity to counter with expulatory evidence because he stomped off in a huff with the CBC and wasn’t on the floor to enjoy that same privilege.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Good point. Also, I bet their little walk out didn’t get as much press as it would have if they hadn’t held it on the same day the SC ruling came out. I didn’t see much about it. Maybe they all went straight to Nancy’s party.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:12 PM

The beauty of that is that Cummings lost an opportunity to counter with expulatory evidence because he stomped off in a huff with the CBC and wasn’t on the floor to enjoy that same privilege.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Good point. Also, I bet their little walk out didn’t get as much press as it would have if they hadn’t held it on the same day the SC ruling came out. I didn’t see much about it. Maybe they all went straight to Nancy’s party.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:12 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

How come Nanzi always seems to insist on holding Cummings hand?

/Slave

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I suppose we’ll never know if any of the guns used in the recent uptick in gunshot violence in Chicago originated in this mess. I betcha Rahm has access to that data locked down tight.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I suspect that’s a key aspect of the coverup that began in February of 2011. To tamp down the scandal they want to cap the damage at two US officers and a couple of hundred Mexicans. If the list of the SN’s of F&F guns is not up to date and being shared with local and state law enforcement, we may never know. Have more US police officers been killed with F&F weapons that leaked back over the border? We don’t know.

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM

The beauty of that is that Cummings lost an opportunity to counter with expulatory evidence because he stomped off in a huff with the CBC and wasn’t on the floor to enjoy that same privilege.

a capella on June 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

On the other hand, maybe the walkout was staged just so the lying dog Cummings would be away when the evidence was prevented? Kind of his version of Al Gore’s “I was drinking iced-tea”?

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

How come Nanzi always seems to insist on holding Cummings hand?

/Slave

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I didn’t see that, but I suspect one or the other didn’t know where they were going.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM

On the other hand, maybe the walkout was staged just so the lying dog Cummings would be away when the evidence was prevented? Kind of his version of Al Gore’s “I was drinking iced-tea”?

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

He tried something like that during the debate. He kept shouting how he wasn’t allowed to do this or that. Issa just calmly explained that they could have held a sub-committee hearing and called anyone they wanted, but they chose not to do it.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM

This is the site that deserves the credit. The guy’s been working this since 2009

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM

A great source. The Sipsey Street guys broke the story,and their Journalist Guide is the best summary, but that is the most complete set of links.

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM

What obama and Holder are telling the Justice Department is,”if you have integrity and continue to tell the truth, you are unfit to represent the Federal Government and we will destroy you.” Obama and Holder are borderline pathological liars. Obama told Reverend Wright,”the biggest diference between us is that you tell the truth.” There is not a sane person the face of the earth that can say Obama is is not a liar.

volsense on June 30, 2012 at 2:13 PM

When you have the Republicans with an opportunity to blow open a major scandalon the national stage, and John Boehner scheduling a vote on that major scandal that should be big headlines, on the same day as the biggest story of this era, the healthcare bill, you should be tipped off that Boehner wanted this to fly under the radar. If I were Issa, I would be totally pissed! Boehner did this because he knew it would be lost in the brouhaha of the SC ruling for a purpose, and therein lies the problem. The Republicans don’t have the balls to ever take a scandal and run with it because they might get negative press. People, with the folks we have in charge right now, we are never going to make any strides and it is downright depressing.

The Dems are smarter than our guys and play to win. Simple as that. I don’t see much hope of ever gaining the upper hand on anything for this reason.

silvernana on June 30, 2012 at 2:16 PM

I’ve asked this question before, but no one has an answer. Is it because no one knows?

What happens to the documents when we have a new Admin. voted in November? Will the new AG have access to everything Holder is holding back?

SoldiersMom on June 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM

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I have answered this before and am happy to do so again.

“Documents” in this day and age ALL move through email and other computer based systems.

ALL computer based systems these days have “backups” made every night to protect the information generated on them.

The “backups” exist in different sets – daily, weekly, monthly, permanent, archival, etc.

Subpoenas are routinely served for these backup tapes as part of the legal discovery process.

Once a subpoena is served for these “backups” it is a Federal felony to destroy them – the kind where you end up showering with a bunch of guys who think “you have a pretty mouth” for 10 years.

I.T. people, as a RULE*, are not very good at folowing directions which could leave them exposed to these consequences.

* – requests by management to “get rid of” incriminating information on backup tapes have been and still are very common. Over 10 years ago, Federal prosecutors decided to incentivize I.T. people who went along with requests to destroy backups not to agree to them by prosecuting them and sending them to prison. What motivates them – the guy in the tie who is always nasty to them but need their help now OR the idea of being raped in prison for 10 years?

Issa is known to have moles (plural) who are feeding him documents. If one of them is an I.T. guy with backups …

… all Issa haas to do is grant him immunity from prosecution for all possible charges related to providing the backups …

… and Eric Holder better have some major dirt on the SCOAMF AND better be very careful about “his health” so he will have a chance to get a Presidential pardon.

BTW, Flora Duh, has a point. Would all those who were saying Boehner would never let this get to the point where Holder was found in Contempt please take one step forward?

No … I didn’t think you would.

PolAgnostic on June 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM

PolAgnostic on June 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Eric is going to invite Carol to bring her son over to play games on the DOJ computers.

Oopsie!

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 2:33 PM

But, but, Geraldo says that Issa is the real problem here.

claudius on June 30, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Issa, together with attorneys hired by the house, cannot force a quick civil litigation resolution? They should be making the effort, including the filing of a civil suit on Monday. What is their rationale for not doing so?

GaltBlvnAtty on June 30, 2012 at 2:44 PM

But, but, Geraldo says that Issa is the real problem here.

claudius on June 30, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Laura Ingraham almost made Geraldo cry last night over the dotard Holder.

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Laura Ingraham almost made Geraldo cry last night over the dotard Holder.

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 2:50 PM

I really wanted to punch Geraldo when he claimed he was a Republican.

claudius on June 30, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Laura Ingraham almost made Geraldo cry last night over the dotard Holder.

slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 2:50 PM

I really wanted to punch Geraldo when he claimed he was a Republican.

claudius on June 30, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Maybe Geraldo thinks he is a Republican, but his mustache is an OWS La Raza Democrat, and the mustache is in charge.

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM

HA is always a couple of days behind on F&F. Too controversial I suppose.
slickwillie2001 on June 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Remember the guiding principle of ‘Hot Air’:
.
“Be careful..”

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on June 30, 2012 at 3:15 PM

A great source. The Sipsey Street guys broke the story,and their Journalist Guide is the best summary, but that is the most complete set of links.

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Every article, every scintilla of evidence has been printed with ink and paper.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Geraldo Rivera, Republican. Yes.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Remember the guiding principle of ‘Hot Air’:
.
“Be careful..”

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on June 30, 2012 at 3:15 PM

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Beg to differ – from 10:07 AM Thursday on, they seem to have a new principle:

Be WHINY!

“the Any Mandate is Constitutional As Long As You Call It a Tax Edition!”

And it is getting VERRRRY tiresome …

PolAgnostic on June 30, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Oh, you know Sheryl Atkison over at CBS is getting plenty o’ hate from the left right now.

Remember they always attacked the messengers during the Clinton days.

The women were always the problem. They were all sluts, or bimbos and Bill was just forced to grope them or have them ahemmm.

Someone, Someone is going to Palinize this CBS reporter in short order.

PappyD61 on June 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Hey Key West, I want to thank you for your link….

Do you honestly think these documents still exist right now?

Mr. Arrogant on June 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Yes, They do

Treasure trove.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:06 AM

freaking awesome …

RockyJ. on June 30, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Do you honestly think these documents still exist right now?

Mr. Arrogant on June 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Yes, They do

Treasure trove.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Like I said , Thanks for the link…

http://www.nachumlist.com/Index.htm

RockyJ. on June 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM

http://travelingwoodbury.blogspot.com/2010/06/timeline-devastating.html

Here’s a little seen screen shot of Obama and Elie Wiesel. At the 2:52 mark.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Like I said , Thanks for the link…

http://www.nachumlist.com/Index.htm

RockyJ. on June 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

You’re welcome. Please be certain to credit the blogsite owner. The man has been following this sh*t since it started and works on it every day.

Regards,
KWR

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:27 PM

I, too, almost collapsed when Geraldo said that HE was a Republican…

I don’t think the tent is ever going to be that big…

Khun Joe on June 30, 2012 at 4:40 PM

This is the site that deserves the credit. The guy’s been working this since 2009

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM
A great source. The Sipsey Street guys broke the story,and their Journalist Guide is the best summary, but that is the most complete set of links.

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Correct.

So please do not credit me for the links.

Or any other poster.

This is the person who deserves the credit

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:43 PM

It’s call coming together.

Wigglesworth on June 30, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I, too, almost collapsed when Geraldo said that HE was a Republican…

I don’t think the tent is ever going to be that big…

Khun Joe on June 30, 2012 at 4:40 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Geraldo.

LOL. He’s like a booger.

Annoying.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Oh, these computer geeks, like I understand all of that “technical” stuff.

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Operation Fast and Furious Murder and Mendacity

Obama and Holder have killed hundreds of Mexican civilians and that’s just the count from the guns they ran that were recovered, which is probably only a very small percentage of the increasing total number of Mexican civilians murdered. They have committed a slow motion, and continuing, 9/11 against Mexican civilians and need to be called to account for their mass murders most foul and punished for their capital crimes. I can not fathom how any self-respecting person of Mexican heritage in the United States could possible vote for Obama in 2012. It would be like any American voting for OBL for President.

VorDaj on June 30, 2012 at 5:01 PM

As a military veteran I just cannot believe the @&&#^$(*) fraud, criminality, and abuse that has been dropped on taxpayers heads over the past couple decades by political parties on both sides, which has reached new heights under the current administration. And yes, I realize, it has been going on in a serious way for the last century, but it has been accelerating lately.

The contempt citations against Holder and the amazing contemptible decision by Justice Roberts, which quoting judge Andrew Napolitano, with whom I agree, was not the right, sensible, or constitutional decision on ObamaCare.

The first thing that comes to mind are the words of Clinton’s mentor, Carroll Quigley, professor of history at Georgetown University and author of the 1966 book, Tragedy and Hope that liberals have tried to bury. “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.”

Anthony Codevilla’s observations in his book “The Ruling Class” were right on. None of these people deserve our respect, support, or the time of day. And if I was still in the military, I’d get out and recommend everyone else do the same!

Falcon46 on June 30, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Issa and Grassley need to send Josh Randall after Holder … and Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUROZEmC1WQ&feature=related

VorDaj on June 30, 2012 at 5:07 PM

LOL. Because they’re all dead f rom Holder’s gunrunning scandal?

Watch Gallup clam up quick. Who sanctioned this poll?

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I, too, almost collapsed when Geraldo said that HE was a Republican…

I don’t think the tent is ever going to be that big…

Khun Joe on June 30, 2012 at 4:40 PM

…his brain is still in Al Capone’s tomb…he doesn’t need to be under a tent.

KOOLAID2 on June 30, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Is there any good reason that the house should not withhold substantial funding from the DOJ at this point? Why not cut Holder’s salary to minimum wage? This could be accomplished without threatening “vital” tasks by earmarking all of the money that goes to Justice and its underling organizations including the salaries of the higher-ups in Justice. Cut the crap and DO IT!

iwasbornwithit on June 30, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Geraldo.

LOL. He’s like a booger.

Annoying.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Geraldo is a booger on a mustache.

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 6:42 PM

I’ll go out on a limb and predict it will be when a Republican gets elected President.

guaranteed

cmsinaz on June 30, 2012 at 6:48 PM

The emails that Ed seems to think show a cover up actually support the Fortune article. F&f was never a gun walking operation. The guns “walked” because it’s so difficult to prosecute straw purchasers.

red_herring on June 30, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Are those who accuse Manning of treason going to accuse the DOJ mole of treason?

Dante on June 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

The emails that Ed seems to think show a cover up actually support the Fortune article. F&f was never a gun walking operation. The guns “walked” because it’s so difficult to prosecute straw purchasers.

red_herring on June 30, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Especially when you remove the tracking devices!

F&F was intended to generate dead bodies at our border as a “crisis” to enact un-Constitutional gun-control laws.

dominigan on June 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Are those who accuse Manning of treason going to accuse the DOJ mole of treason?

Dante on June 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

No, because the DOJ mole was whistleblowing on those who were willfully committing treason. There’s a difference.

Treason is defined within the Constitution as aiding and abetting our enemies… which is exactly what F&F was about.

dominigan on June 30, 2012 at 9:43 PM

That Issa, demanding to know more about this. What a cad. I mean, who, seeing these communications, would suspect anyone in the Justice Department of anything bad?

J.E. Dyer on June 30, 2012 at 9:52 PM

PolAgnostic on June 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I’m also in IT (but an App Dev guy, not infrastructure… so take what I say with a grain of salt).

Something that people need to understand is that after backups are taken, it is NOT a trivial matter to delete individual emails. Backups are a single snapshot of lots of mailboxes with thousands and thousands of emails. Once you get past a few hundred mailboxes, you also have to break them into blocks of boxes to be able to back them up within a reasonable time. This means that those files could be scattered across hundreds of backup tapes.

Once the backups are on tape, they consist of a single file. That file will either be a full backup, or an incremental change file. To access individual emails, you have to restore a full backup then apply any daily change files to a temp email database, delete the emails, then re-run the backup for that timestamp.

Couple that with the fact that backups are taken nightly… you actually have an issue where the same email can occur on lots of backup tapes. To eradicate all evidence, you would have to spend MASSIVE amounts of time restoring, deleting, re-backing up lots of different backup tapes.

These tapes are also not kept on the premises once the tapes go beyond the standard monthly, weekly and daily tapes. They are shipped offsite and kept in locked storage. You never keep archives at the same place where the email system is located.

I should also point out that most IT people are VERY hesitant to mess with backups as I’ve described because it puts them on the hook for any other problems they’ve introduced in tampering with a valid data backup.

And of course, the last thing IT people want, is to be on the hook before Congress for destroying evidence.

So I am very confident that the evidence is still there, ready to be discovered.

dominigan on June 30, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Are those who accuse Manning of treason going to accuse the DOJ mole of treason?

Dante on June 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

What a disgusting liberal troll…who exactly was the DOJ mole ‘betraying”??? the fraudulent operations by the DOJ? You are really that dumb not to see the difference between the two? Was Manning a whistleblower, of what exactly? Most of the stuff that he leaked to that airhead Asange was diplomatic correspondence, there was no revelations in there of any wrongdoing on the part of the state department or anything of the sorts…then waht was his justifications for leaking tha info…None whatsoever other than a sick obsession with self, a form of narcissism combined with the need for his 5 minutes of celebrity, that got him where he is today…no resemblance whatsoever to the case of the DoJ whistleblower …the guy leaked it because he was concerned there was serious wrongoing by the DOJ higher ups and clear attempts at cover up…

jimver on June 30, 2012 at 10:48 PM

No, because the DOJ mole was whistleblowing on those who were willfully committing treason. There’s a difference.

Treason is defined within the Constitution as aiding and abetting our enemies… which is exactly what F&F was about.

dominigan on June 30, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Oh, then DOJ was committing treason and Manning is just a whistleblower, since he wasn’t aiding or abetting our enemies.

Glad someone has some sense.

Dante on June 30, 2012 at 11:05 PM

What a disgusting liberal troll…who exactly was the DOJ mole ‘betraying”??? the fraudulent operations by the DOJ? You are really that dumb not to see the difference between the two? Was Manning a whistleblower, of what exactly? Most of the stuff that he leaked to that airhead Asange was diplomatic correspondence, there was no revelations in there of any wrongdoing on the part of the state department or anything of the sorts…then waht was his justifications for leaking tha info…None whatsoever other than a sick obsession with self, a form of narcissism combined with the need for his 5 minutes of celebrity, that got him where he is today…no resemblance whatsoever to the case of the DoJ whistleblower …the guy leaked it because he was concerned there was serious wrongoing by the DOJ higher ups and clear attempts at cover up…

jimver on June 30, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Some children were wounded and others killed in a U.S. military operation (airstrike, I believe). The military said that it didn’t know how they were injured. Manning, the whistleblower, passed on video that exposed your government lying to you.

You need to remove the fleece from your eyes as well as quit thinking that anyone who doesn’t toe the Party line is a liberal.

Dante on June 30, 2012 at 11:09 PM

the guy leaked it because he was concerned there was serious wrongoing by the DOJ higher ups and clear attempts at cover up…

jimver on June 30, 2012 at 10:48 PM


Or you could make it a distinction even a troll can understand …

… the DoJ moles have a pretty good chance of getting full immunity from prosecution …

… whereas Manning has a pretty good chance of dying in prison.

Unless the SCOAMF has an attack of conscience and pardons him …

… yeah, Manning is totally screwed.

PolAgnostic on June 30, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Truth telling is strictly prohibited by the Marxist Obumbo Admin… A good f**king to be imposed upon all involved is mandatory to maintain “The General Welfare” of the Marxist Obumbo State.

aposematic on July 1, 2012 at 5:56 AM

DANTE you’re a joke.

CW on July 1, 2012 at 8:57 AM

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