E-mails reveal retaliation, cover-up at ATF, DoJ following Fast & Furious exposure

posted at 10:01 am on June 30, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I recall a time when Democrats regularly lionized whistleblowers … during the Bush administration, of course.  The media hailed them as heroes; Time Magazine even made them the collective Person of the Year for 2002.  Democrats loved them so much that they ran one of the whistleblowers on that cover in my Congressional district in 2006 against Rep. John Kline, a former Marine colonel that Colleen Rowley’s campaign photoshopped into a Nazi uniform for their campaign website.  Needless to say, Rowley has disappeared back into well-deserved obscurity, while Kline still represents my district.

These days, in the Obama era, Democrats and the media seem a lot less admiring of whistleblowers, oddly enough.  Imagine for a moment that Rowley had been assigned a new boss at the FBI after her whistleblowing, one that had told others that the agency needed to “get whatever dirt we can” on her to “take her down,” and especially if that boss had previously said in the presence of at least one witness that the FBI needed to “f**k” said whistleblower.  Can you imagine the media meltdown that would have occurred?  Well, you’re going to have to be satisfied with imagining it, but Senator Charles Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa want answers as to why two Operation Fast and Furious whistleblowers got assigned to work for a man who said exactly that about them:

In a Friday letter to the DOJ’s Inspector General Michael Horowitz, Grassley and Issa said they’re now concerned retaliation is much more likely following Thursday’s votes to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal and civil contempt of Congress.

“We just learned that ATF senior management placed two of the main whistleblowers who have testified before Congress about Fast and Furious under the supervision of someone who vowed to retaliate against them,” they wrote before describing how senior political figures have made dangerous threats before.

Grassley and Issa said that in early 2011, right around the time Grassley first made public the whistleblowers’ allegations about Fast and Furious, Scot Thomasson – then the chief of the ATF’s Public Affairs Division – said, according to an eyewitness account: “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”

Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.”

According to Grassley and Issa, when Thomasson was asked about whistleblowers’ allegations that guns were allowed to walk, Thomasson said he “didn’t know and didn’t care.”

That’s not all that Issa and Grassley want to know, either.  Departing Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote the now-infamous letter of February 2011 to Grassley that asserted the DoJ had no knowledge of gunwalking in OF&F.  Newly released e-mails now show Weich and former acting ATF head Ken Melson cc’ed on e-mails discussing how to respond to Congressional inquiries on just this point.  A January 12, 2011 memo from ATF circulated within the agency briefs officials about how to respond to this question:

“Some media reports, referencing an anonymous ATF official, claim that ATF knowingly “walked” about 1,900 firearms across the US-Mexico border as part of this operation.  What can you tell me about that?” — Or — “The news release/indictment indicates that A TF waited until nearly 2,000 guns were
illegally purchased before arresting the straw buyers in this case. Why did ATF wait so long?”

ANSWER: It’s not against the law for an individual to purchase 10,20 or 50 or even 100 guns at one time. It’s not illegal to own or possess hundreds of guns; however, it is illegal to straw purchase firearms for those who cannot possess them legally. Operation Fast and Furious became a long-term investigation because of the amount of time it took to gather enough evidence against those who were supplying these violent criminals with the tools of their trade. We needed to ensure that when we did arrest these individuals, justice would be served.

ANSWER: Knowing what it takes to prosecute these types of federal violations is the best way to understand why this investigation took as long as it did and utilized so many resources. Investigations of this type are often long and complicated due to the fact that firearms are a legal commodity being diverted for illegal use. When conducting these investigations we have found that the end user of often shrouded by many layers of straw purchasers and middlemen whose sole purpose is to hide the connection between the first retail purchaser and the violent criminal. Determining when the firearm leaves legal commerce can be extremely difficult and therefore hard to prove.

In other words, the gunwalking was common enough knowledge that the ATF prepared a formal memo (see attachment 2) to instruct officials how to respond to questions about it on January 11, 2011.  Yet when Congress asked Weich to inform them, Weich prepared a response three weeks after that ATF briefing memo was published that outright denied it ever happened, and the DoJ did not correct that testimony for another ten months.  Either Weich is one of the most incompetent bureaucrats in recent history, or he and the ATF were trying to cover up their gunwalking from Congress.  Intimidating whistleblowers had to be part of that strategy; Weich’s position would have been — and turned out to be — untenable while whistleblowers kept tipping off Congress.

So when will the media fall back in love with whistleblowers?  I’ll go out on a limb and predict it will be when a Republican gets elected President.  May that day come soon.


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Nothing will come of this.

txmomof6 on June 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I thought liberals loved, respected and revered whistle blowers… I guess not…

Khun Joe on June 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Let’s see if the GOP has the balls to really follow through to prosecute and put all these people behind bars including the White House commie.

bgibbs1000 on June 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM

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Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Nothing will be done by the Republican’s. Let’s just move on.

Mr. Arrogant on June 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

So they treat whistleblowers the same way the GOP did? You know people may start getting it that power entrenches, no matter who holds the reigns.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Funny how in a dem admin, whistleblowers are traitors. And they accuse us of being partisan.

nobar on June 30, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Why do I only see this administration leaving office when there are pitchforks and torches involved? And that’s my optimistic view of them goIng…

-Wasteland Man

WastelandMan on June 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Nothing will come of this.

txmomof6 on June 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM

With all due respect, there were people on here earlier in the week (not saying you were one of them), who were swearing that Boehner and Issa wouldn’t have the “balls” to go through with the Contempt of Congress vote.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Thanks Issa and Grassley! Keep digging and get all the dirt you can on bho/holder/big sis/who ever else might be involved in F&F!
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Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Huh I was about to post the same thing. You gotta wonder who turned the switch.

CW on June 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I thought liberals loved, respected and revered whistle blowers… I guess not…

Khun Joe on June 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Only when they are blowing on the right Joe.

CW on June 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Sychopants of the ‘South-Side Savior, the Man-God, the deified One will do anything to protect his vision. This is what tyranny looks like.

LizardLips on June 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM

So they treat whistleblowers the same way the GOP did? You know people may start getting it that power entrenches, no matter who holds the reigns.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

And the lsm treats both sides of the aisle the same? Get a clue dumbazz.

VegasRick on June 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

I thought liberals loved, respected and revered whistle blowers… I guess not…

Khun Joe on June 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Only when they are blowing on the right Joe.

CW on June 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I forgot my ‘sarc tag’…

;-)

Khun Joe on June 30, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Don’t I remember a time when Democrat after Democrat would blame the U.S. weak gun laws as the biggest problem Mexico had. It would have been a paradise if not for all the guns from the United States going down there to be used in crimes. Where are those folks?

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Ed, that isn’t the only Fast and Furious story that came out yesterday.

Obama Contributor, Who Helped Enact Assault-Weapons Ban, Ran ‘Fast and Furious’

(CNSNews.com) – Dennis K. Burke, who as a lawyer for the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee in the 1990s was a key player behind the enactment of the 1994 assault-weapons ban, and who then went on to become Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano’s chief of staff, and a contributor to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential primary campaign, and then a member of Obama’s transition team focusing on border-enforcement issues, ended up in the Obama administration as the U.S. attorney in Arizona responsible for overseeing Operation Fast and Furious.

When Obama nominated Burke to be U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona, Burke told the Arizona Capitol Times he believed he understood what the president and his attorney general wanted him to do.

ATF Talking Point: Terry’s Death ‘Exact Reason Why We Must Continue’

The ATF’s public relations hoped to use Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s death in Operation Fast and Furious to promote the bureau’s work, a newly released document shows.

Senator Chuck Grassley and House oversight chairman Rep. Darrell Issa sent a letter Friday to the Inspector General at the Department of Justice. The focus of the letter is the potential for retaliation toward two Fast and Furious whistleblowers, but in the course of expressing their concerns, Grassley and Issa reference ATF talking points about the death of Agent Brian Terry. At least one of the talking points seems designed to capitalize on Terry’s death as a reason to further the very investigation which put a weapon in the hands of his murderer.

The document, which is added as an attachment to the Grassley/Issa letter, is dated 1/12/11. It is stamped with the ATF official seal and contains a warning in the header “Not for Public Dissemination/For Internal Use Only.” It shows that the ATF was concerned about the appearance of the gun walking operation and especially its connection to Agent Terry’s murder. The memo offers sample questions which reporters might ask…

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

While I have agreed with Issa’s methodical approach in unraveling this travesty, I disagreed wholeheartedly with the Contempt vote taking place on the same day of Obamacare decision–the wind has been taken from the sails. How do we keep it front and center now realizing the route through the civil court process will not be expedient? Arggghhh..

hillsoftx on June 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Let’s see if the GOP has the balls to really follow through to prosecute and put all these people behind bars including the White House commie.

bgibbs1000 on June 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I’m still waking up so I apologize if this was in the main post and I missed it.

How about the wiretaps from the mole that Issa inserted into record.

I still think F&F is going to be the thing that brings Obama and company down.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

How are we going to put them behind bars when they control everything? The DOJ isn’t going to move forward on Holder.
What court will uphold anything when the president and DOJ is ignoring the laws?

vityas on June 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Don’t I remember a time when Democrat after Democrat would blame the U.S. weak gun laws as the biggest problem Mexico had. It would have been a paradise if not for all the guns from the United States going down there to be used in crimes. Where are those folks?

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

A couple of them are featured in this video.

LIES about USA Mexico Gun Trafficking

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Ed is a RAAACIST!/

Buy Danish on June 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM

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Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

I’ve experienced several server errors on multiple sites over the last 2 days. Insurance, sites, shopping sites, etc. Thought it might have been from my end, a DSL issue. Are we seeing some large scale hacking going on?

LynnB74 on June 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM

I’m still waking up so I apologize if this was in the main post and I missed it.

How about the wiretaps from the mole that Issa inserted into record.

I still think F&F is going to be the thing that brings Obama and company down.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Darrell Issa Puts Details of Secret Wiretap Applications in Congressional Record

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM

I still think F&F is going to be the thing that brings Obama and company down.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Once again:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Buy Danish on June 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Thank you for that link to Memeorandum you provided me in the headline thread earlier.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

What the Republicans should take from the whole health care debacle is to just do your job. They thought they could skate being democrats from 2000-2008 and look where it got them. I don’t have much faith but the Repubs should know if they do this, they’ll have our support.

itsspideyman on June 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

So they treat whistleblowers the same way the GOP did?

libfreeordie on June 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Your lack of outrageous outrage at the media double standard is cute.

BadgerHawk on June 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

It’s down for me today too.

Weight of Glory on June 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Why is the GOP engaging in Friday night document dumps in what could be one of the biggest scandals in Presidential history?

They should be pounding the table in prime time with this information.

BadgerHawk on June 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM

When there is a rare msm report on this story, you’d think it originated in Issa’s mind. Never a mention that concerned agents came forward.

tj4osu on June 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Obama 2012: America’s biggest tax increase + America’s biggest scandal.

Unprecedented.

BadgerHawk on June 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

But, but, whistleblowers are good! The NY Slimes continually says so, and publishes whatever classified information it can get its hands on, even if it does jeopardize the United States!

Oh, wait… Democrat in office? Never mind.

RoadRunner on June 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

I still think F&F is going to be the thing that brings Obama and company down.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Once again:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Word

Rio Linda Refugee on June 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

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Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Huh I was about to post the same thing. You gotta wonder who turned the switch.

CW on June 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

..maybe Kieth Olberdouche figured out the interweb thingy and took down DC to avenge himself on Tucker Carlson.

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

While I have agreed with Issa’s methodical approach in unraveling this travesty, I disagreed wholeheartedly with the Contempt vote taking place on the same day of Obamacare decision–the wind has been taken from the sails. How do we keep it front and center now realizing the route through the civil court process will not be expedient? Arggghhh..

hillsoftx on June 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Frankly, it seemed like Issa and the House GOP are trying to put one over on the base. The base wanted the contempt vote, the GOP leadership realized that Fast and Furious wasn’t moving the poll dial and that most of the media had decided to lampoon the issue as less than serious. So they abandoned it as an electoral strategy. The contempt vote appeases the base, but is buried under healthcare to keep independents from seeing it and even to keep the media from really covering it.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Michael Barone nailed it nearly four years ago……….

We live in a THUGOCRACY.

God help us survive this Administration and our “leaders”.

Remember……..WE ARE PAUL REVERE!!!!

PappyD61 on June 30, 2012 at 10:29 AM

You know people may start getting it that power entrenches, no matter who holds the reigns.

libfreeordie on June 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

You’re right. The Leftist solution, however, is always more power, more authority, more centralization, more control, more regulation. Which inevitably results in a disenfranchised electorate, crony capitalism, corruption, waste, fraud & abuse.

“Evil” corporations will always want a seat at the Big Government table, and they’ll get it. If you want to curtail the “power” of corporations then the Progressive ideology is the opposite of what you want.

The only solution to these ills is the American conservative philosophy: A decentralized, (Constitutionally) limited federal government with more decision making and policy sent back to the states. That, and increased economic liberty. It’s the only thing that will ever work for a country as massive and ideologically diverse as ours.

visions on June 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

The GOP is the org that is letting the whistle blowers down. These weak kneed silk suited babies are part and parcel of the ruination of America. Where is the yelling and screaming and votes, indictments, impeachment, fiery speeches? The republican rinos have got to go, Boehner first, before we can restore this great country. Alan West for president.

frizzbee on June 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

How are we going to put them behind bars when they control everything? The DOJ isn’t going to move forward on Holder.
What court will uphold anything when the president and DOJ is ignoring the laws?

vityas on June 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

That’s why they also charged him with Civil Contempt of Congress. Issa can now take it to a civil court to force Holder to turn over the documents.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Obama 2012: America’s biggest tax increase + America’s biggest scandal.

Unprecedented.

BadgerHawk on June 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

..along with the security leaks and the Solyndra/green energy scandals, it sure does look like this regime will be going down in a maelström of diarrhea.

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Ed, it’s all about the nuance. Liberal whistle blowers are GOOD. Conservative whistle blowers are EVIL. Liberal National Security Information leaks are GOOD, even PATRIOTIC. Conservative National Security Info leaks are politically motivated.

See?

GarandFan on June 30, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Liar-and-Thug-in-Chief.

The Rogue Tomato on June 30, 2012 at 10:34 AM

With all due respect, there were people on here earlier in the week (not saying you were one of them), who were swearing that Boehner and Issa wouldn’t have the “balls” to go through with the Contempt of Congress vote.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Interesting, several of them are on this thread and I’ve not read one “damn, I was wrong” comment.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Once again:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Sorry – I’m an optimist always have been.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

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The Rogue Tomato on June 30, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Sorry – I’m an optimist always have been.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

And I used to watch Go-Go-Gophers on Underdog.

Ah the days America was till sane and Wally Cox was still alive.

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Nothing shocks me from the criminal enterprise occupying the White House. Purge this scum by the ballotbox in November.

Philly on June 30, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Alan West for president.

frizzbee on June 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Maybe he can help repeal NDAA and Pigford while he’s at it.

Mr. Arrogant on June 30, 2012 at 10:38 AM

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Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Huh I was about to post the same thing. You gotta wonder who turned the switch.

CW on June 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

We had a major wind storm/front pass through Virginia and the DC area last night. Many places without power. I tried calling my mom in West Virginia and phones are out.

Not sure if this is the problem, or if the Obama/Roberts Patriot Suppression Team is at work this weekend.

TugboatPhil on June 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Issa must have some good evidence that he is holding back otherwise he should’ve given Burke immunity and exposed everything.

tim c on June 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Much of Obama’s regime is an ongoing criminal operation. Somebody had better muster up the moral courage to attack the problem head on lest this country be completely lost.

rplat on June 30, 2012 at 10:43 AM

It’s good to be the King. But it’s NOT good to just think you’re the King, when you’re really just a pompous lying bureaucrat.

RBMN on June 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Much of Obama’s regime is an ongoing criminal operation. Somebody had better muster up the moral courage to attack the problem head on lest this country be completely lost.

rplat on June 30, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Hold it. Lemme call the Republicans…

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Rephrase.

F&F ought to be what takes the thugs in charge down. F&F ought to have bipartisan outrage at the power of power to corrupt absolutely.
It ought to.
If the Republicans had courage we would be further in what ought to happen.
It looks to me though like Issa/Grassley are employing the drip drip drip method. Maybe this will be effective, maybe not but they’d better hurry the hell up.

ORconservative on June 30, 2012 at 10:49 AM

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Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Huh I was about to post the same thing. You gotta wonder who turned the switch.

CW on June 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

We had a major wind storm/front pass through Virginia and the DC area last night. Many places without power. I tried calling my mom in West Virginia and phones are out.

Not sure if this is the problem, or if the Obama/Roberts Patriot Suppression Team is at work this weekend.

TugboatPhil on June 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

More likely the latter. 503 error means the server is still reachable. Probably a denial of service attack.

ElectricPhase on June 30, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Even after numerous examples of corruption in law enforcement from local to the federal level, lefties still want only the police to have guns.

TugboatPhil on June 30, 2012 at 10:49 AM

More likely the latter. 503 error means the server is still reachable. Probably a denial of service attack.

ElectricPhase on June 30, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Thanks! Doubling up the tin foil and heading to secondary bunker!!

TugboatPhil on June 30, 2012 at 10:50 AM

We had a major wind storm/front pass through Virginia and the DC area last night. Many places without power. I tried calling my mom in West Virginia and phones are out.

Not sure if this is the problem, or if the Obama/Roberts Patriot Suppression Team is at work this weekend.

TugboatPhil on June 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

I had forgotten about that. I guess Treacher was right when he sent that tweet earlier about it probably having something to do with Global Warming. :-)

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Don’t I remember a time when Democrat after Democrat would blame the U.S. weak gun laws as the biggest problem Mexico had. It would have been a paradise if not for all the guns from the United States going down there to be used in crimes. Where are those folks?

Cindy Munford on June 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Where are those folks? Ummm…they were sitting on the committee next to Issa. They were on the House floor blaming the Second Amendment during the contempt vote. They don’t know what else to do, so they’re following the original game plan: use Fast and Furious to attack gun rights.

joekenha on June 30, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Why the need for a memo on how to answer if the press started asking questions?Who were they kidding?

docflash on June 30, 2012 at 10:54 AM

ANSWER: Knowing what it takes to prosecute these types of federal violations is the best way to understand why this investigation took as long as it did and utilized so many resources. Investigations of this type are often long and complicated due to the fact that firearms are a legal commodity being diverted for illegal use.

B.ravo S.ierra
Omitted from all of this is the fact that gun shop owners and possessors of a FFL (Federal Firearms License) were coerced into cooperating with the Feds under threat of losing their license(s) and thus their livelihood.
I have personally seen how ASAP the Feds can prosecute these cases.
As for the whistle-blowers, this is how stark is the difference between Americans with morals(R) and those without(D). To hell with the facts, eh?
Can anyone forget what Shrillary did to the White House Travel Office?
The corruption inherent in so many issues during this failed administration will hopefully be understood by ordinary Americans such that it will be a cold day in Bullhead City when another (D) is elected POTUS.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on June 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM

I’ve experienced several server errors on multiple sites over the last 2 days. Insurance, sites, shopping sites, etc. Thought it might have been from my end, a DSL issue. Are we seeing some large scale hacking going on?

LynnB74 on June 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Usually these things are caused by a “fiber cut” a backbone fiber line cut by construction, accident, etc, but I usually get an email if they are affecting a certain geographic area, IE like a cut to a main Silicon Valley fiber line a couple of years back. In your case it could be a bad router or DNS server in your local ISP. I’m not wagering any money on the cause of Daily Caller’s outage though.

Mini-14 on June 30, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Thanks! Doubling up the tin foil and heading to secondary bunker!!

TugboatPhil on June 30, 2012 at 10:50 AM

..Phil, seems that there was some serious stuff going on in NVA:

As of 11:21 PM EST Amazon’s Elastic Compute Cloud in North Virginia went down, due to severe thunder storms in the area. The Washington Post reports torrential rains, “scary winds,” lightning and massive power outages in the D.C. area.

..Suppose — after the SCOTUS decision — this is like the darkening of the sky when Jesus was crucified? Listen for me; I’ll use the special secret knock on the bunker door.

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 10:58 AM

I still think F&F is going to be the thing that brings Obama and company down.

gophergirl on June 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Agreed.

Just might big down the MSM Titanic as well

workingclass artist on June 30, 2012 at 10:59 AM

I’ve asked this question before, but no one has an answer. Is it because no one knows?

What happens to the documents when we have a new Admin. voted in November? Will the new AG have access to everything Holder is holding back?

SoldiersMom on June 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM

The corruption inherent in so many issues during this failed administration will hopefully be understood by ordinary Americans such that it will be a cold day in Bullhead City when another (D) is elected POTUS.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on June 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM

..your keyboard, God’s monitor, etc.

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 11:01 AM

If Obama didn’t know about Fast and Furious and Project Gunrunner, why did he include $40M in stimulus-obama-stash to fund it?

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:01 AM

As of 11:21 PM EST Amazon’s Elastic Compute Cloud in North Virginia went down, due to severe thunder storms in the area. The Washington Post reports torrential rains, “scary winds,” lightning and massive power outages in the D.C. area.

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Someone just sent me this tweet:

The “varnish cache” hints at Heroku, which runs on Amazon EC2, which is down from the storms. Just a guess though.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM

I’ve asked this question before, but no one has an answer. Is it because no one knows?

What happens to the documents when we have a new Admin. voted in November? Will the new AG have access to everything Holder is holding back?

SoldiersMom on June 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM

I don’t know the answer. I would guess that the new AG would be able to turn everything over. I sure hope the case just doesn’t “end” because Holder isn’t there anymore.

The Rogue Tomato on June 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM

What happens to the documents when we have a new Admin. voted in November? Will the new AG have access to everything Holder is holding back?

SoldiersMom on June 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Do you honestly think these documents still exist right now?

Mr. Arrogant on June 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Didn’t you guys see silkwood?

vcferlita on June 30, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Just might big down the MSM Titanic as well

workingclass artist on June 30, 2012 at 10:59 AM

MSM and the Obama regime is the same evil cabal. It stands and falls together.

the_nile on June 30, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Err, let me try this again: If Obama didn’t know about Fast and Furious and Project Gunrunner, why did he fund it to the tune of $40M???

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Didn’t you guys see silkwood?

vcferlita on June 30, 2012 at 11:03 AM

It took me 33 years to finally see Close Encounters of the Third kind.

No.

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Will the new AG have access to everything Holder is holding back?

SoldiersMom on June 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Any that survive the shredder or wiped out hard drives, yes, they will.

Earlier I sent the Romney campaign a tweet telling them that the time for standing on the sidelines is over. He needs to start addressing Fast and Furious. Several people who agreed sent the same message.

We’ll see if it does any good.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM

WTF?

Lanceman on June 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Do you honestly think these documents still exist right now?

Mr. Arrogant on June 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Yes, They do

Treasure trove.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:06 AM

@ Flora et al:

Guru Meditation is an error notice displayed by early versions of the Commodore Amiga computer when they crashed. It is analogous to the “Blue Screen Of Death” in Microsoft Windows operating systems. It has later been used as an error message elsewhere, such as Varnish (software), a reverse proxy and HTTP accelerator.[1]

Varnish is an HTTP accelerator designed for content-heavy dynamic web sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation

marinetbryant on June 30, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Err, let me try this again: If Obama didn’t know about Fast and Furious and Project Gunrunner, why did he fund it to the tune of $40M???

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM

I guess Obama doesn’t read the bills either….

joekenha on June 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM

I’ve experienced several server errors on multiple sites over the last 2 days. Insurance, sites, shopping sites, etc. Thought it might have been from my end, a DSL issue. Are we seeing some large scale hacking going on?

LynnB74 on June 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Drudge is saying some really big sites have been hit due to storms: Pinterest, Instagram, Amazon Cloud, Netflix. Possibly the DC site failure is due to the same reasons.

hoosiermama on June 30, 2012 at 11:11 AM

I have no idea, but I do know that you guys come up with really cool names for your fake scandals.

crr6 on July 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM

holding a contempt vote – racist

killing 300 Mexicans – sure that’s racist but Bush did it

Slade73 on June 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM

marinetbryant on June 30, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Thanks. Even though I don’t understand much of what that said other than the “Blue Screen Of Death,” ugh, at least I know it doesn’t mean that Tucker and the other “gurus” at DC are all sitting around in a circle chanting and thinking good thoughts.

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Funny how in a dem admin, whistleblowers are traitors. And they accuse us of being partisan.

nobar on June 30, 2012 at 10:08 AM

If the shoe were on the other foot this would be running on MSNBC non-stop. They might even skip showing the prison show on the weekends for this.

Wagthatdog on June 30, 2012 at 11:16 AM

“Amazon cloud goes down Friday night ”
Netflix , Instagram , Pinterest out also .
Maybe Caller problem too ?

Lucano on June 30, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Nothing will come of this.

txmomof6 on June 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM

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I am with you on that, but at least there is hope people will finally realize who controls the Frequency and volume. IT’S THE MEDIA ! ( not Kenneth)

If a Democrite tree falls in the woods, you can be damn sure it won’t be reported by the LSM ! Palin’s 24,000 emails ? – now THAT’S critical news exposure ! The problem is the absence of an honest media.

We are no different then the comrades reading Pravda.
A teachable moment in the USSA for sure.

FlaMurph on June 30, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Lanceman
Come on buddy, you really don’t think the GOP has the intestinal fortitude to follow thru???//////……..;)

angrymike on June 30, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Why is the GOP engaging in Friday night document dumps in what could be one of the biggest scandals in Presidential history?

They should be pounding the table in prime time with this information.

BadgerHawk on June 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Surprisingly, the prime time media is not very interested in having anyone on their shows to talk about this.

I heard Issa on Hannity’s radio show yesterday. He said the DOJ has 8 days to turn over the documents and then Issa is proceeding to court. He expects an expedited hearing because this is a case involving two branches of government (Obama’s EP claim) and therefor gets priority treatment.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Scot Thomasson – then the chief of the ATF’s Public Affairs Division – said, according to an eyewitness account: “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”

Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.

There was a time when the coverup was worse than the crime itself. Here we have murder, a coverup, the whistleblowers, and the malevolent planning of retaliation against the whistleblowers by the perpetrators.

ted c on June 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Err, let me try this again: If Obama didn’t know about Fast and Furious and Project Gunrunner, why did he fund it to the tune of $40M???

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Holy crap & great catch!

Naturally Curly on June 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM

February 25, 2009: Obama wants to make “just a few gun related changes…..

You can run, but you can’t hide!

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I think the storms IVO DC are contributing to the sites going down.

ted c on June 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Linkage

“Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades,” the warning said. “Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez.”

At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence.

“I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts,” he said.

Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.

“It’s something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign,” he said. “There are obviously a number of things that are — that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I’m not sure exactly what the sequencing will be.”

In a brief interview with ABC News, Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Association, said, “I think there are a lot of Democrats on Capitol Hill cringing at Eric Holder’s comments right now.”

During his confirmation hearing, Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee about other gun control measures the Obama administration may consider.

“I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller,” Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual’s right to own a weapon.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Obama Contributor, Who Helped Enact Assault-Weapons Ban, Ran ‘Fast and Furious’

(CNSNews.com) – Dennis K. Burke, who as a lawyer for the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee in the 1990s was a key player behind the enactment of the 1994 assault-weapons ban, and who then went on to become Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano’s chief of staff, and a contributor to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential primary campaign, and then a member of Obama’s transition team focusing on border-enforcement issues, ended up in the Obama administration as the U.S. attorney in Arizona responsible for overseeing Operation Fast and Furious.

When Obama nominated Burke to be U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona, Burke told the Arizona Capitol Times he believed he understood what the president and his attorney general wanted him to do.

This is even bigger news.

tetriskid on June 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Do you honestly think these documents still exist right now?
Mr. Arrogant on June 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Of course not. Kings make their own rules that include answering to no one.

FireBlogger on June 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Err, let me try this again: If Obama didn’t know about Fast and Furious and Project Gunrunner, why did he fund it to the tune of $40M???

Key West Reader on June 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Are these the same videos as the ones you put up last week? I watched all of those. I especially like the one that has the guy from the State Department standing next to Robert Gibbs announcing how they are part of the “program” and how much stimulus money was being spent for it. Hillary knew nothing about it my butt.

Night Owl on June 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Flora Duh on June 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

The time to worry is when service code 451 comes up.

That code was recommended for when the government takes a site down.

Don’t know if it has been approved yet but it certainly would fit the bill.

chemman on June 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

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