When Obama bypassed Congress, again, & passed Amnesty for 800,000 illegals on his own, did you feel the silence from the republicrats?

Belle on July 1, 2012 at 8:34 AM

You know I did, yet it was to be expected since we’ve again seen how LIbEral the rulers of the GOP are with their selection of the creator of 0bamaRomneycare as the next Republican candidate.

Can you believe how easy it was for the liberals to take away the convictions and core principles of so many republicans since?

Can ObamaCare survive success sucession?

Drudge headline.

After Roberts’ decision, it seems apt.

We’ll be paying significantly more for our healthcare and receiving less for it. And this is some how suppose to be good?

Blake on July 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

It is very good for the power brokers who will enrich themselves at our expense.

Another possibility to consider that was written last April:

Repeal Oba­maCare? Not a Chance.

Rom­ney (D-​​Mass.) keeps say­ing he will repeal Oba­maCare, but I hope no one is naïve enough to believe him. His donors stand to make BILLIONS because of the bill. They wrote Oba­maCare, and now they’re fund­ing his cam­paign! Do you think health insur­ance com­pa­nies are going to allow him to repeal a bill that man­dates that all Amer­i­cans carry gold-​​plated insurance?

The Oba­maCare “repeal” will go down like this: House Repub­li­cans will pass a repeal bill. Sen­ate Democ­rats will block it. There will be lots of tense moments and spar­ring through the media as the White House and House straw men and –women wage a wink-​​and-​​a-​​nudge “bat­tle” with the Democ­rats. Rom­ney (D-​​Mass.) will con­cede defeat and blame the Democ­rats, who will claim vic­tory. The Repub­li­cans will save face with their base by fight­ing the “good fight,” as will the Democrats.

Next, Rom­ney (D-​​Mass.) will take charge of “fix­ing” it. Democ­rats will con­cede that it needs improve­ment. Cam­paign donors will draft “revi­sions” that will ben­e­fit the donors, and both par­ties will agree to those amend­ments. There will be some token resis­tance on cer­tain pro­vi­sions to keep Amer­ica fleeced into think­ing that we have a func­tion­ing Two-​​Party system.
DannoJyd on July 1, 2012 at 4:36 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

The article is absolutely right about how the repeal attempt will go down. But saying the White House commie is better than the GOP socialist, not gonna buy that one. While I don’t trust the GOP socialist and know he will stab us in the back, the White House commie will kill us. It unfortunately really is the lessor of two evils.

Nice to see some right wing ideologues starting to read what’s in the bill.

Uppereastside on June 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

HA! 2 days ago you didn’t even realize that the bill had already been passed.

My sense is that conservatives are getting angrier, not calmer, about Roberts opinion. Shocked/confused on Thursday. Angry of Friday. Really angry on Saturday. Unhappiness trending up, not down.

Repeal Oba­maCare? Not a Chance.

Rom­ney (D-​​Mass.) keeps say­ing he will repeal Oba­maCare, but I hope no one is naïve enough to believe him. His donors stand to make BILLIONS because of the bill. They wrote Oba­maCare, and now they’re fund­ing his cam­paign! Do you think health insur­ance com­pa­nies are going to allow him to repeal a bill that man­dates that all Amer­i­cans carry gold-​​plated insurance?

The Oba­maCare “repeal” will go down like this: House Repub­li­cans will pass a repeal bill. Sen­ate Democ­rats will block it. There will be lots of tense moments and spar­ring through the media as the White House and House straw men and –women wage a wink-​​and-​​a-​​nudge “bat­tle” with the Democ­rats. Rom­ney (D-​​Mass.) will con­cede defeat and blame the Democ­rats, who will claim vic­tory. The Repub­li­cans will save face with their base by fight­ing the “good fight,” as will the Democrats.

Next, Rom­ney (D-​​Mass.) will take charge of “fix­ing” it. Democ­rats will con­cede that it needs improve­ment. Cam­paign donors will draft “revi­sions” that will ben­e­fit the donors, and both par­ties will agree to those amend­ments. There will be some token resis­tance on cer­tain pro­vi­sions to keep Amer­ica fleeced into think­ing that we have a func­tion­ing Two-​​Party system.

First the Declaration of Independence isn’t the constitution. And the word isn’t inalienable, it’s unalienable.

Second Jefferson made very clear throughout his life that our rights do not come from government but are endowed by our creator.

Third government can take away any right it gives you. Therefore rights that come from government are not unalienable, and an example would be health insurance.

Fourth healthcare when it involves medical assistance is a contractual arrangment not a right, and yes sometimes perhaps many times some people can afford better care. It’s not up to government to remedy this because when government attempts to provide a remedy they infringe on the rights of others.

What people choose to do with their rights as they live their lives is up to them. It isn’t the responsibility of government to provide rights to anyone as you yourself attempted to say they are unalienable.

I could go on but I doubt you have the brain power to understand.

Hey, Ric, do you think health care is a right?

Belle on July 1, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Of course it is! Any liberal also has a right to your money, your time and anything else of YOURS.

Why work when everything is a right and is served to you at any time you want?

This is certainly true when you consider the fact that most people already have insurance so we aren’t going to be paying the tax although the precedent is awful.

Resist We Much on June 30, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Yes. For now most Americans have insurance.

And many companies are already saying that it will be cheaper for them to drop any health benefits than carry them on. TGIF already said that implementation of the law will cost them at least 8% more per year and probably closer to 50% more than what the costs are today. By dropping health benefits they will pay penalties and still save against their current costs. I can’t imagine how investors in TGIF will refuse savings in hundreds of millions.

And prices for coverage will escalate rapidly as employees loose health benefits and insurance companies realize they can charge more to accept new policies. So that 8-50% spread that TGIF cited will move way higher than current numbers.

Now, let’s multiply this over thousands of companies.

Snowball effect, in rapid succession.

xuyee I agree that poor people do have access to healthcare, my previous post should of said access to affordable healthcare insurance.

If the Affordable Health Care act is repealed then what would Republicans put in its place? Are conservatives comfortable with people being denied coverage for preexisting conditions or poor people being denied health care because of poverty?

Ric on July 1, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Nobody is denied health care because of poverty. Nobody. The only reason this damnable bill passed is that people equate health insurance, health care, and health, but these are three completely different things.

I have practiced medicine for 8 years, many of them in urban hospitals. I have never myself, nor have I ever seen anyone, ever denied any care due to inability to pay. NEVER.

Want to know why? Listen very closely: It is because we are a good people. Americans are good people, and we do not need to be forced into being good by some sanctimonious jerks who hate us and think they are better than us. Hospitals and health care workers have an altruistic profession that has voluntarily cared for people regardless of payment for quite sometime. I don’t even know a patient’s insurance and don’t even ask unless we have to call the company up for some reason. If an uninsured patient asks to have a bill forgiven, I always do and the hospital I work with does too, so long as they are truly in poverty.

Even if a patient completely ignores the bill and has plenty of money to pay it, they still don’t have to pay it. They can just ignore it and it effects their credit score. Well, if you can’t pay your bills, reducing for ability to take out even more loans is probably doing you a favor anyways.

Uninsured patients do, in fact, have a higher mortality rate, but it isn’t because they don’t have insurance. It’s because the the same habits that cause them to not have or buy insurance are the same ones that lead them to have an unhealthy lifestyle and to not seek medical care, even though it is pretty much free as I’ve mentioned above. As evidence, please note that health care disparities still exist in the systems where everyone is insured (i.e. VA, Medicare, the military). Given that, the claim that poor people will get better with insurance. Add this to the fact that we already have a massive program to insure people in poverty. It’s called Medicaid.

Obamacare is an entitlement program for the lower middle class who are too rich for Medicaid but can nevertheless afford health insurance if they really wanted to prioritize it. It’s a huge transfer of wealth to people who believe that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else’s labor even though they don’t really need it. But ObamaTheft sounds too obvious so it’s done under the rubric of healthcare.

You’re right, except that Kennedy was on the right side, in more ways than one, on this case.

He is the unsung hero on ObamaTax.

No, Congress did that.

Del Dolemonte on June 30, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Congress authorized it, by do you honestly believe that voters lay the decision to make that move on Congress? You are reporting a conservative talking point that 80% of the voters in this country don’t even understand.

jdp629 on June 30, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Breathtakingly Ignorant.

Since when is my citing the 2002 Iraq Resolution “a conservative talking point”?

Especially since WMDs were only one of a dozen of reasons Congress cited before they signed off on it.

Our current (Democrat) “Secretary of State” signerd off on that bill as the Junior Senator from NY, and so did the now Senior Senator from MA, who you idiots ran for President in 2004 solely based on his nonexistent “war record” in a war that he and your Party then proceeded to condemn for decades.

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Sorry, but the jdp628 model was much better.