So the WH is really going to run with this “It’s not a tax!” thing, huh?

posted at 4:01 pm on June 29, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

That is, as far as they run with it at all. As Ed explained earlier, I can’t help feeling that, despite the technical ObamaCare victory, they’re not looking to gloat over it — I think they’d be all too content to just quit talking about it and shuffle everybody along.

During President Obama’s response to the Supreme Court ruling on Thursday, the term “tax” was conspicuously absent. But to the extent that they have to talk about it, it looks like they’re really going to keep insisting that this is absotively, posolutely not a tax, even though — oh, you know — that’s pretty much the entire basis upon which the individual mandate was upheld. Ain’t no thang.

“It’s a penalty, because you have a choice. You don’t have a choice to pay your taxes, right?” [Jay] Carney told reporters aboard Air Force One.  …

Roberts wrote that the law “makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning an income.” …

“You can call it what you want,” Carney said, underlining Congressional Budget Office estimates that whatever you call it will affect only 1 percent of Americans. “It is not a broad-based tax.” “One percent of the population. One percent. You can call it what you want, but it is affecting 1 percent of the population. Because most people either have health insurance or people do the responsible thing and if they can afford health insurance they will purchase it,” the spokesman said.

Quite the rhetorical tap dance, isn’t it? Of course, what choice do they have — President Obama swore up and down the backside that this wasn’t a tax in any shape, manner, or form when he was trying to pass it, even though it’s shaping up to be a both huge and regressive tax to the tune of more than $500 billion in a decade.

But, if they had to win the ObamaCare judicial battle, I’m glad they at least won in one of the more headache-inducing, deception-exposing ways possible. Over at the Volokh Conspiracy, David Bernstein imagines a scenario that would really get the White House squirming: If he were a Republican congressman…

I’d schedule a new vote in the House on the individual mandate, but replace the “penalty language” with language specifically acknowledging that the “penalty” is actually a tax. If the Democrats vote “aye,” they’ve acknowledged breaking the Obama pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class. If the Democrats–specifically those who already voted for the mandate–vote “nay”, what becomes of the tax argument in future litigation? … At least it would look very peculiar that the Court upheld the law on a theory that Congressional supporters of the law refuse to adopt. …


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Is it possible they’re just stupid enough to believe what they are saying?

rplat on June 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Of course it is not a tax, Pres. Smart Power..

hillsoftx on June 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

“..it’s a desert topping and a floor wax!”

I am so-o-o-o-o confused.

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

He can run, but he can’t hide.
His signature legislation is the biggest tax hike in American histroy, which goes nicely with his being the biggest spender in American history.

txmomof6 on June 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

They can run with it and they can get away with it because they own the old media 99%.

slickwillie2001 on June 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Is it possible they’re just stupid enough to believe what they are saying?

Yes, but it’s more likely that they believe we are stupid enough to believe them. And why not? They snookered enough fools in 2008, didn’t they?

natasha333 on June 29, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Yes, they really are that stupid.

The constitution requires our government to pay their bills. By extension one could say it is unconstitutional to run up so much dept that we can never pay it off.

Is this an implicit balanced budget amendment?

The Rock on June 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Hey Carney, if your boss doesn’t want to raise taxes, he is can repeal ObamaCare.

txmomof6 on June 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

I used to try that same approach when I got caught red-handed. It rarely works.

obladioblada on June 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

First of all, the Congressional Budget Office, which “scores” all legislation—and which so frustrated Obama in 2009 that he refused to mention its name in White House meetings, demanding instead that aides call it “banana”

 
From an earlier headline.

rogerb on June 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM

The American people are gullible and they know it. Hand to them, they know the electorate is not that smart.

Conservative4ev on June 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Even Go-Go dancers know the truth! Liar, Liar Pants on Fire!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDEdFxUZ01s

Pork-Chop on June 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM

A rose by any other name… It’s just that this rose stinks, and I don’t mean garlic.

Drained Brain on June 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Of course that’s the narrative they’ll go with, and I don’t believe a single one of the alphabet networks last night mentioned the mandate “winning” as a tax. So the GOP will just have to make sure they spend a lot of money explaining to everyone that it is. Grind it in Barack’s face. Make him choke on it. And mock, mock, mock. It’s a BFT!

Rational Thought on June 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Well ladies and gentlemen, WE have the Friday dump! doj will not go after holder! Still developing.
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letget on June 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

“It’s a penalty, because you have a choice. You don’t have a choice to pay your taxes, right?”

Excuse me?

What ‘choice’ do we have here?

Chip on June 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Before: THIRTY MILLION PEOPLE ARE LAYING DYING IN THE STEEETS WITHOUT HELATHCARE!

Now: it’s just a little tax on a really tiny subset of the population

CycloneCDB on June 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

He also lied when he said he loved America.

…I didn’t believe that one, either.

kingsjester on June 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM

I want to hear them explain the 21 new ‘penalties’ with 12 of those new ‘penalties’ hitting the middle class directly. I’d like to hear the main stream media applaud these new ‘penalties’ as a ‘great victory’.

thatsafactjack on June 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Obamacare was a massive POS and nobody knows how many unintended bad consequences are going to sprout from it like ‘shrooms on a cowpie.

Own it, Democrats. The biggest tax increase in history is only the beginning.

novaculus on June 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Is it possible they’re just stupid enough to believe what they are saying?

rplat on June 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM

With everything we have seen from this Administration since Day One, what do you think?

pilamaye on June 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM

It’s a “banana”.

LtGenRob on June 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

President Obama swore up and down the backside that this wasn’t a tax in any shape, manner, or form when he was trying to pass it, even though it’s shaping up to be a both huge and regressive tax to the tune of more than $500 billion in a decade.

Don’t think for a second that if the era of Downgrade continues that they won’t try to shift that tax burden on the higher income levels.

Chip on June 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

“It’s a penalty, because you have a choice. You don’t have a choice to pay your taxes, right?”

Excuse me?

What ‘choice’ do we have here?

Chip on June 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

This. What happens to me when I refuse to pay the penalty?

CurtZHP on June 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Bernstein poses an intersesting question. One I asked yesterday. If the law as written does not call out “taxes”, There are indeed, no “taxes”.
Can the SC simply deem the penalties taxes ? SC clearly has no right to impose taxes. No one would argue that point.

If law not amended to read “tax” then then its a penalty under ISCC, which was just ruled unconstitutional.

Does ACA need to be rewritten ?

Jabberwock on June 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

I called it. I just thought they’d until Monday.

gwelf on June 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Anybody know when the extra tax for Medicare goes into effect? Is it Jan 2013 or 2014?

txmomof6 on June 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Another commenter quoted the Beatles Taxman lyrics earlier on another thread, but I think it needs just a wee bit more in honor of the biggest tax hike evah:

Obamatax message to the middle class:

If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street;
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat;
If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat;
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet. ~The Beatles

If you try to sleep, I’ll tax your sheet;
If you get hungry, I’ll tax what you eat;
If you bite a candy, I’ll tax your treat;
If you’re not a vegan, I’ll tax your meat;
If you don’t buy healthcare, I’ll tax your retreat;
If you’re my Treasury Secretary, then you can tax cheat;
If you thought I wouldn’t tax you, my deceit is complete;
If you were fooled by hope’nchange, my pretense was discreet;
If you don’t know me by now, look up the word conceit;
If you receive my donation e-mail, just hit delete;
If you vote for me this November, tax, rinse and repeat.
If you love America, you know who to defeat;
If you vote for Romney, repeal and recovery will be sweet. ~S

Slainte on June 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM

What happens to me when I refuse to pay the penalty?

CurtZHP on June 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

The IRS hunts you down, kills you, and sells your corpse to recover the money. Or worse.

The Rogue Tomato on June 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Also, per Carney, 1% of the population is insignificant. I have that as about 3,200,000 people.
What 1% do you belong to.

Jabberwock on June 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Congress should remove this tax and deem the ACA as no longer law as the mandate is non severabel.

Thus perhaps repealing Obama Care is now quite possible thanks to Roberts.

Steveangell on June 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM

If it’s only 1% why did they do the overhaul to begin with?

docflash on June 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM

“It’s a penalty, because you have a choice. You don’t have a choice to pay your taxes, right?”

You have a “choice” to pay Peter, or pay Paul. But you cannot not pay both Peter and Paul…

Thanks for giving me a “choice” Flukers.

NotCoach on June 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM

What happens to me when I refuse to pay the penalty?

CurtZHP on June 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

What happens to you when you refuse to pay your taxes?

NotCoach on June 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM

“..it’s a desert topping and a floor wax!”

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Tastes great … and look at that shine!

Jaibones on June 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM

This will all be just a bad dream until November 6.

Cherokee on June 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM

No, they are not stupid.

They don’t have to call it a tax.

They didn’t have to call it a tax when they passed it, and they don’t now.

And they know it.

The only person who had to call it a tax was Justice Roberts, in order to save the bill.

He did, and he did.

Mr. Arkadin on June 29, 2012 at 4:21 PM

What do you think all those machine guns the Government bought and new IRS agents are for?

kingsjester on June 29, 2012 at 4:21 PM

It’s not a tax, you ignorant peasants. Shut up, and let me eat my waffle.

Cody1991 on June 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM

If it’s only 1% why did they do the overhaul to begin with?

docflash on June 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM

I almost threw something through the TV last night when I saw Juan Williams say, oh the tax doesn’t affect everyone, almost everyone has insurance. What happened to the 40 million uninsured?????

txmomof6 on June 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM

I’m sure they can do it. Hell, half the conservatives don’t even know Verrilli argued that it was a tax. So many conservatives think Roberts just came up with that on his own.

If the people most opposed to it don’t know the facts about it, how should the average Joe?

ButterflyDragon on June 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM

We Won!

Uppereastside on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

The only person who had to call it a tax was Justice Roberts, in order to save the bill.

He did, and he did.

Mr. Arkadin on June 29, 2012 at 4:21 PM

You are wrong. Verrilli argued it was a “tax penalty” and argued that Congress had the ability to do so.

Roberts didn’t make anything up on his own.

ButterflyDragon on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Congress should remove this tax and deem the ACA as no longer law as the mandate is non severabel.

Thus perhaps repealing Obama Care is now quite possible thanks to Roberts.

Steveangell on June 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Good point!

obladioblada on June 29, 2012 at 4:24 PM

So the WH is really going to run with this “It’s not a tax!” thing, huh?

I hate to break it you, the un-Constitutional penalty is most certainly NOT A TAX. It’s just not. Not in any reasonable interpretation of the English.

The mandate, itself, is un-Constitutional (with or without the penalty) but that all doesn’t seem to matter anymore in the American Socialist Superstate.

Conservatives jumping on the “it’s a tax!!” idea are idiots. You cheer the destruction of our foundational language, upon which all of society rests. You would allow the word “tax” to be stretched beyond recognition. And for nothing. Dems don’t care about liars. They LOVE liars! How often do you have to see it before you realize this?

Get back to the actual facts and the un-American and un-Constitutional nature of the whole thing. Stop calling the illegal penalty a “tax”. It isn’t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM

I called it. I just thought they’d until Monday.

gwelf on June 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Yes. All they have to do is say: “Tax wasn’t our argument. It’s Robert’s alone. It’s ruled constitutional period. Screw calling it a tax, what do you puny Republicans think you can do about it.”

And the days and months will go by….nothing will happen, and it’s done.

oldroy on June 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Is Carney that stupid, or is he just speaking to the average Obama voter?

There are all kinds of taxes that you can choose to pay or not. One I thought of immediately is the tax on early withdrawals from IRAs and 401(k)s. You don’t pay that tax unless you make an early withdrawal. It’s a tax on accessing your own money.

And I thought the “shared responsibility payment” was the centerpiece of the whole bill. What about all those young healthy people that we had to promise to the insurance companies to get them to shut up and swallow the guaranteed- issue and community-rating crap? Really only 1% of the people? Is that what that what they told you? Are they going to go broke because 1% od the people aren’t buying insurance?

rockmom on June 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM

On Drudge (via Fox):

Ed Rendell: ObamaCare is “an albatross around our neck”

McCaskill is “hiding” from reporters.

Think they want to talk about this turd before the election?

I’m becoming more convinced that they believed this thing was a goner, and were shocked that Roberts saved it for them. They had a plan in place to attack SCOTUS as just another election ploy. Now what?

2010 started it. We need to finish the job in 130 days. At all costs.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on June 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Yes, but it’s more likely that they believe we are stupid enough to believe them. And why not? They snookered enough fools in 2008, didn’t they?

natasha333 on June 29, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Excellent point.

rplat on June 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM

It’s over, Johnny……the socialists have won and we are now a social democracy that will very quickly circle the drain . Ofailure OWNS the networks and it will never be reported as a tax hike . Even if it was 50% of the bottom feeders will re-elect His Nothingness because they don’t pay taxes anyway .

DeweyWins on June 29, 2012 at 4:27 PM

You are wrong. Verrilli argued it was a “tax penalty” and argued that Congress had the ability to do so.

Roberts didn’t make anything up on his own.

ButterflyDragon on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Where does it say that in the bill? Who asked for that argument? Roberts.

oldroy on June 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM

I’m sure they can do it. Hell, half the conservatives don’t even know Verrilli argued that it was a tax. So many conservatives think Roberts just came up with that on his own.

If the people most opposed to it don’t know the facts about it, how should the average Joe?

ButterflyDragon on June 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM

He argued it was a tax when they were arguing standing under ACA. Magically it stopped being a tax when they were arguing the mandate’s authority under the Commerce Clause. SCOTUS rejected it as a tax when considering standing under ACA. SCOTUS rejected it as a tax when considering the mandate’s authority under the Commerce Clause. Roberts pulled a God damned elephant out of his a$$ when it was all of the sudden magically a tax when considering whether or not it should be nullified!

Did you read Scalia’s dissent concerning this being a tax? And how many justices agreed with Sir Brave Roberts the mandate is a tax?

NotCoach on June 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM

It’s over, Johnny……the socialists have won and we are now a social democracy that will very quickly circle the drain .

DeweyWins on June 29, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Yep Welcome to the American Socialist Superstate.

How’s leftist A.S.S. taste?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Erika- FYI, the website loads very funny on the iPhones safari browser. The alignment on the comments seems to be center text instead of the traditional text to the left.

Uppereastside on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Seriously letget?

Holder getting away with it

cmsinaz on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

If it’s not a tax… by Robert’s ruling, it’s not constitutional.

These idiots are caught between a rock and a hard place. They’ve either created the largest tax increase in history, or they’re standing on legislation that they ADMIT is unconstitutional.

Murf76 on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

“It’s a penalty, because you have a choice. You don’t have a choice to pay your taxes, right?”

So if we don’t pay the ‘penalty’ we’re good then?

No big woops?

catmman on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Hey Obama,

Either it’s a tax or it’s unconstitutional.

Take your pick.

blink on June 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM

How hard is his to understand? It’s easier than pie (or Pi)!

K.I.S.S., and beat Him/them over the head with this, over and over and over, ’til there’s nothing Left to beat… :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

If it’s not a tax, then it cannot be legally implemented. Not that these criminals care…

Philly on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

The IRS hunts you down, kills you, and sells your corpse to recover the money. Or worse.

The Rogue Tomato on June 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM

And “your corpse” instantly appears on the registration rolls of the Democrats.

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

You are wrong. Verrilli argued it was a “tax penalty” and argued that Congress had the ability to do so.

Roberts didn’t make anything up on his own.

ButterflyDragon on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

If it is not written as such in the bill, it does not exist. No matter what ANYONE says.

Jabberwock on June 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM

It’s too bad collateral estoppel doesn’t apply to campaign ads.

You could have had the Obama campaign jailed for contempt for trying to say it’s not a tax.

Alberta_Patriot on June 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I have heard the argument that bills that raise taxes must originate in the House, and that Obamacare mandate originated in the Senate. If this ruling is that the only way the mandate is constitutional if if it is a tax, could a state now sue that this tax did not originate in the House…. or is that a lost cause?

Did anyone argue this during the hearings to invalidate the WH “its a tax” defense?

AverageJoe on June 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM

i think he might just come out and say ‘i’ve given you Free Stuff’…so vote for me again

r keller on June 29, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Obamatax, a regressive tax at that.

Obama hates the middle class and the poor.

Roberts rewrote Obama’care’ to keep it.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 4:31 PM

The RNC ad that you highlighted earlier that played up the tax aspect of the mandate… was horrible. I called it painful to watch, and semantic splitting of hairs.
The people are not wonks. Runs ads, and center discussions, for everyday people, not wonks. Is it a tax or what? This is too cerebral for the avg joe. Thre are so many things to go after O that people don’t have to think too hard about. Use those things.

anotherJoe on June 29, 2012 at 4:31 PM

If Carney is right and the mandate isn’t a tax, then it must be illegal, right? Isn’t that what Roberts said?

infidel65 on June 29, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Letget it looks like they will move forward wuth the civil charge against holder

cmsinaz on June 29, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Conservatives jumping on the “it’s a tax!!” idea are idiots. You cheer the destruction of our foundational language, upon which all of society rests. You would allow the word “tax” to be stretched beyond recognition. And for nothing. Dems don’t care about liars. They LOVE liars! How often do you have to see it before you realize this?

Get back to the actual facts and the un-American and un-Constitutional nature of the whole thing. Stop calling the illegal penalty a “tax”. It isn’t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Look, people can diagree on this. I do think it’s a tax, and it is very similar to the one I just described that you have to pay if you take out your own money from your IRA before the government wants you to. What the heck gave the goverment the power to impose THAT tax? They are taxing me for taking my own money out of my savings! And, oh yeah, they DON’T tax me if I spend the money on college tuition. If I need it to keep from defaulting on my mortagge while I am unemployed, and ending up homeless, tough sh!t. This actually happened to me and I have paid $4500 in taxes in the last two years just to use my own freaking money.

If they can do that, they can sure as hell tax me for not buying health insurance.

You act like this is the very firstest time the government has ever, ever tried to tax something that maybe it shouldn’t. It isn’t.

rockmom on June 29, 2012 at 4:32 PM

If it’s not a tax… by Robert’s ruling, it’s not constitutional.

These idiots are caught between a rock and a hard place. They’ve either created the largest tax increase in history, or they’re standing on legislation that they ADMIT is unconstitutional.

Murf76 on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

They don’t care. They just don’t give a sh!t. Do you remember their reactions to questions of its Constitutionality as they were shoving it through? They made a mockery of it all from the start. For a group who stands behind, “you have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it” this little bit of Constitutional trickery is a big nothing-burger. They just do not care one bit and they won’t be restricted by logic or common sense, as they never were.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 4:32 PM

We Won!

Uppereastside on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Don’t go anywhere. Would like you to stick around for a while.

Jabberwock on June 29, 2012 at 4:32 PM

The Witch – vote for Obama and “you ain’t seen nothin’ yet”.

Your 401/403Ks are next. She and him have their eyes focused on them, “because they can protect them better for you”.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

We are a nation led by lying children and the cowardly adults who refuse to discipline them.

*shakes head*

otisframpton on June 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

cmsinaz on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Sure IS! Here is the link. NOW WHO would have thought that would happen?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/29/after-holder-contempt-vote-republicans-eye-civil-court-case-to-extract-furious/
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letget on June 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I keep picturing Arnold
“Its not a tumor!”

cmsinaz on June 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

We Won!

Uppereastside on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

What did you win, you creep?

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I hope in my lifetime the Modern Democrat party stops pretending and lying, and just says whats on their minds.

visions on June 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Obama campaign’s message new found message on ObamaCareTax:

Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?

Kim Priestap on June 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Michale Moore is not fat.

Michelle Obama is not mad.

Michelle Obama is beautiful.

Uppereastside is rational.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Good linky letget

cmsinaz on June 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Quite the rhetorical tap dance, isn’t it?

Such impertinent charlatanry must and will be punished.

I’d schedule a new vote in the House on the individual mandate, but replace the “penalty language” with language specifically acknowledging that the “penalty” is actually a tax. If the Democrats vote “aye,” they’ve acknowledged breaking the Obama pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class. If the Democrats–specifically those who already voted for the mandate–vote “nay”, what becomes of the tax argument in future litigation? … At least it would look very peculiar that the Court upheld the law on a theory that Congressional supporters of the law refuse to adopt. …

Have Uppereastside figure this out.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM

If it is not written as such in the bill, it does not exist. No matter what ANYONE says.

Jabberwock on June 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Roberts’ decision contradicts your point here – force 0bamessiah/the Dems to address/explain the issue, and watch them blow up like a drummer from Spinal Tap…

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM

We Won!

Uppereastside on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

There are no checks forthcoming. That leaves you with your piggy bank and Burger King coupons.

fogw on June 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM

What happens to me when I refuse to pay the penalty?

CurtZHP on June 29, 2012 at 4:14 PM

The IRS hunts you down, kills you, and sells your corpse to recover the money. Or worse.

The Rogue Tomato on June 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Hey wait a minute, will the Death Panels also be managing the organ donor allocation system?

slickwillie2001 on June 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM

rockmom on June 29, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Again, you are finding examples of taxes on ACTION with an alleged tax on inaction. And your IRA example is incorrect. Taxes are deferred on the money put away and a penalty or fee is assessed for early withdrawal.

And, if you think the mandate’s penalty is a tax then it could not have been heard by the Court until long after this election. But it isn’t a tax. Not in any way, shape, or form. You can’t bend every English word to mean whatever you want it to. Society crumbles under such stress. Language is important, you know. It’s our foundation. That’s why the left is always attacking it and trying to suck every bit of objective meaning out of it. Benedict Roberts just put the leftist English-manglers to shame with his nuclear bombing of our contractual language.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM

I knew this would happen. He is going to outright lie that it is not a tax, he will accuse Romney of lying about it being a tax in his ads, and the media will refer to it as a mandate the whole time.

And you know what? He’ll probably get away with it too. This is why it’s so annoying to see some conservatives put a positive spin on this decision.

Daemonocracy on June 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM

I say we have the ref toss a flag and charge them with delay of game and waisting our f*cking time…

The Ugly American on June 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM

White House: ObamaCare Not a Tax
Which is the same as saying…
White House: Roberts is a FOOL.

…now, who couldn’t agree with that !

TeaPartyNation on June 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM

We Won!

Uppereastside on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

When the upper east side looks like Detroit in just a few years you will understand what has happened to this country at the hands of your party. Of course, you will blame it on George Bush or Romney, or anything and anyone but your party.

oldroy on June 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM

I’d schedule a new vote in the House on the individual mandate, but replace the “penalty language” with language specifically acknowledging that the “penalty” is actually a tax. If the Democrats vote “aye,” they’ve acknowledged breaking the Obama pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class. If the Democrats–specifically those who already voted for the mandate–vote “nay”, what becomes of the tax argument in future litigation? … At least it would look very peculiar that the Court upheld the law on a theory that Congressional supporters of the law refuse to adopt. …

All the Dems would walk out en masse saying they were protesting such a “partisan” attack. Hey they did this yesterday during the contempt hearing. These people are dispicable and I despise them.

neyney on June 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM

And “your corpse” instantly appears on the registration rolls of the Democrats.

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM

+1000 Excellent follow-up.

The Rogue Tomato on June 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM

It’s a tax hands down. If one were to not pay the”penalty” aka “tax.” who enforces it? You’re correct if you say the IRS. That gives them the authority to attach your bank accounts etc. If it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck it’s a duck/tax…

sandee on June 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM

We Won!

Uppereastside on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

You don’t mind if I borrow that on November 6th, do ya sweetie?

Another one for the Del & rogerb archives.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on June 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Because most people either have health insurance or people do the responsible thing and if they can afford health insurance they will purchase it,” the spokesman said.

…and if they can’t….you people who were dumb enough to educate yourselves and strive to get ahead will pay the subsidies necessary to buy insurance for them…..

Strike Twice on June 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM

All the White House has to do is cite Benedict Roberts’ own decision:

The Affordable Care Act does not require that the penalty for failing to comply with the individual mandate be treated as a tax for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act.

Not a tax. By Benedict Roberts’ own words that were used to claim this steaming pile of America-killing sh!t is Constitutional.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM

“..it’s a desert topping and a floor wax!”

I am so-o-o-o-o confused.

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM

/video/Shimmer-Floor-Wax-Saturday-Night-Live/1343987

eyedoc on June 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM

We Won!

Uppereastside on June 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

You’ve actually created a post without any typos or grammatical errors. This is a first for you.

massrighty on June 29, 2012 at 4:43 PM

It’s a tax hands down. If one were to not pay the”penalty” aka “tax.” who enforces it? You’re correct if you say the IRS. That gives them the authority to attach your bank accounts etc. If it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck it’s a duck/tax…

sandee on June 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM

The IRS enforces whatever the feral government tells it to enforce. That doesn’t mean that anything the IRS enforces is, therefore, a tax. That’s ridiculous. It’s beyond ridiculous.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Excuse me?

What ‘choice’ do we have here?

Chip on June 29, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Your choice if you don’t buy their jacked up insurance is to pay their fine or possibly go to the hoosgow.

TXMomof3 on June 29, 2012 at 4:44 PM

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