Quotes of the day

posted at 8:53 pm on June 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

However painful it was to read the headline “Obamacare Stands” on Drudge yesterday, Chief Justice Roberts made the right call.

Roberts’s opinion, far from being an act of cowardice or betrayal, is true to the tradition of the early Republic, when the Supreme Court exercised the power of judicial review to strike down federal statutes only very rarely…

There is a larger point. If the only way Americans can defend their liberties is to hide behind the verbiage of a Supreme Court opinion, it’s already too late for freedom here.

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Conservatives who are trying to salvage a little “hope and change” from Chief Justice John Roberts’s disastrous ruling in the Obamacare case yesterday argue that the limits the Court placed on the Commerce Clause and the power of the federal government vis à vis the states are victories for conservatives in the long run. But in this case, the short run is the long run: Obamacare will change our society forever–and not for the better.

Liberals are celebrating, not just because Barack Obama’s presidency is no longer just a waste of time, but also because they believe that people will never reject entitlements once they have them. Evidence from around the world proves them right.

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This country is hopelessly split along ideological lines, and it seems impossible for either side to gain any lasting advantage over the other. But maybe Roberts has managed to do precisely that. By nominally endorsing an overwhelmingly unpopular bill that is in major trouble anyway, he has created the political space needed to strike directly at the heart of liberal legal theory without inflaming the Democrats.

This, by the way, is exactly what the Warren Court of the 1950s and 1960s failed to do. Insufficiently concerned about political fallout, the liberals on that court plunged ahead with leftist policymaking from the bench. As a consequence, conservatives grew acutely aware of the dangers inherent to liberal judicial activism, organized politically to fight back, and thus was ultimately born the Rehnquist Court, which rolled back many of the excesses of the Warren years.

But how do conservatives continue their judicial project without similarly inflamming the left and stalling their own agenda in its tracks? Well, just maybe Chief Justice John Roberts showed the way yesterday. It’s all about taking opportunities as they present themselves, not over-reaching, and playing the long game.

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[I]f the underlying mandate is otherwise unconstitutional, as Roberts concluded, how does adding a penalty make it okay? Under this precedent, Congress could theoretically mandate anything it wants and slap on a nominal penalty and defend it in Court as a tax after the fact. To use a popular example, the government can now still force you to purchase broccoli, as long as the punishment is a fine rather than imprisonment…

In a broader sense, this case was testing the assumption that the Supreme Court would never invalidate a major act of Congress. Even if Roberts had only agreed to strike down the mandate, it would have sent a powerful message that the Supreme Court is willing to protect the Constitution from further encroachments. But I fear when all is said and done, after this case, future lawmakers will still feel confident in the assumption that they can pass whatever they want, and if the legislation is major enough, the Supreme Court will find some sort of excuse to uphold it.

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Some will suggest that this is no victory at all, given the Court’s ruling that the money one must pay for failing to obtain insurance can be supported as a use of Congress’s taxing power. However, by confining within the taxing power the ability of Congress to adopt such schemes, the Court has greatly limited Congress’s ability and political appetite to attempt them in the future…

Another thing to note is that Chief Justice Roberts’s opinion on the taxing power is limited. He noted that it could not be considered punitive because the amount citizens are required to pay for not having insurance is far less than they would have to pay to obtain insurance. He strongly suggests that, if Congress were to require citizens to pay an amount greater than the costs of insurance, that would constitute a penalty, and thus would be unconstitutional.

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I would find this perspective [that Roberts's opinion was a victory for smaller government] considerably more persuasive if I could envision how, exactly, this war of “slow constriction” is supposed to play out. Does anyone really believe that a Roberts-led Court is likely to revisit the constitutionality of the major post-New Deal social programs? That it’s going to overturn child labor laws and minimum wage laws, or shutter regulatory agencies? Whatever precedent was set yesterday, that kind of genuine counter-revolution seems highly unlikely…

In an intellectual sense, the logic of the health care mandate may indeed have been “pregnant with rampant statism,” as Will puts it. But in terms of practical politics, the health care bill was itself the most statist act that’s likely to pass Congress over the next decade at least, and maybe in John Roberts’ lifetime. And by upholding it, Roberts handed liberals a victory in the scope-of-government war that matters most to them, while at worst setting them up to lose some less important skirmishes somewhere down the road.

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In his remarkable health care opinion Thursday, the chief justice of the Supreme Court restrained the power of his own institution. He decided not to use judicial power to overrule the democratic process. He decided not to provoke a potential institutional crisis. Granted, he had to imagine a law slightly different than the one that was passed in order to get the result he wanted, but Roberts’s decision still represents a moment of, if I can say so, Burkean minimalism and self-control…

And here’s the biggest gift that Roberts gave to the nation: By restraining the power of the court to shape health care policy, he opened up space for the rest of us to shape that policy through the political process. By modestly refraining from rewriting health care laws himself, he has given voters and politicians more room to be audacious.

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What did Roberts get? Institutional respect for the Court from people who have no respect for the Courts unless they win? That’s not a prize one can count on to last long. If you think liberals we say, “we’ll let it slide next time we lose a 5-4 decision and promise to never again push the boundaries of the Commerce Clause because Roberts gave us ObamaCare” you’ve missed the last 80 or 90 years of liberalism and the courts. Maybe I missed something but the New Deal and Warren courts* were happy to overturn decades and decades of law and never felt the need to “throw a bone” to conservatives (or people who thought the words of the Constitution had some set meanings).

In fact, Roberts has actually lost something very important (if this theory is right)…he’s shown that with enough bullying and threats against the legitimacy of his Court, he’ll give in.

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There are probably five votes to uproot the entire campaign finance system, a decision that would make Citizens United look like small fry. And there are probably five votes to invalidate Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.

I don’t think invalidating the ACA would have affected the court’s legitimacy that much, at least outside of liberals in the legal academy. But taken as a whole, this series of decisions really might have irrevocably hurt the court’s reputation for independence.

But Roberts has something of an ace up his sleeve now. Accusations of hyper-partisanship are much harder to make against him, and he has more freedom to move on these issues.

All told, it is easier for the conservative wing of the court to make some significant rulings in some other policy areas.

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I don’t know what’s in Roberts’s heart, but no court watcher I’ve heard from puts much weight on the idea that Roberts did anything other than reason backward from the result he wanted in order to buy respect from the court’s critics at the expense of his own beliefs…

That so few people seem to care augurs poorly for the rule of law and the auspices of our republic.

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If CJ Roberts is this supposed “stealth Liberal” or “turncoat,” why does he use language, and a tone, in this decision that is clearly conservative philosophically? Example:

CJ Roberts: Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.

Roberts pulled the proverbial rug out from under everyone (both sides).

He has forced the current administration to have to deal with the fact–now–that their “landmark” legislation is a tax (which it always was), and today’s dodging and weaving by the administration’s surrogates on the subject is proof of that. The topic is absolutely toxic. Think about this — had the law been over-turned in toto, that ruling would’ve been used to bludgeon the Repubs from now until election day and to demonize the court in every way possible and imaginable until the cows came home. And it probably would’ve sunk them in November when combined with the propaganda machine that is the MSM.

For those who oppose this law, they get the opportunity to prove they really want to overturn this legislative monstrosity if they can rally the American people to keep the House, retake the Senate, and retake the Executive branch. They’ll only need 51 votes in the Senate.

I do believe what Roberts did was very calculated, but not in the way most are viewing it — as cowardly or as a turncoat or as a ‘stealth Liberal’. Roberts did what he did because this is a highly contentious issue, and as Krauthammer insight-fully points out, he wanted to avoid this case (and the court) becoming a lightning rod like it had under Roe v. Wade and Bush v. Gore.

eanax on June 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM

May I ask which HotAir/TownHall genius thought it would be a good idea to put an auto-refresh on a site that typically has pages with 1,500-word posts and 100 comments?

I can’t decide if it’s more stupid than obnoxious, or more obnoxious than stupid.

greggriffith on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

This solved the problem for me.

How to Disable Web Page Auto-Refresh For Various Browsers

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM

We lose this battle, my employer goes Galt, and I go Jerrimiah Johnson. It’s not even by choice.
wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I don’t know if I can fight off that many indians or grizz, but i can cook good rabbit, so I’m on board.

Dongemaharu on June 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

He’s that dude that’s on Red Eye sometimes.

My point is, it’s not dumb to vote for anybody unless you’re voting for Obama.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

..Gary Johnson is Gretchen Carlson? He looks pretty good in that red dress!

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

My point is, it’s not dumb to vote for anybody unless you’re voting for Obama.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

But the majority has to vote for the same person…
for this to work…

Maybe I missed your point..

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:17 PM

A point without a distinction. If he were elected in 2012 what could he realistically do?

chemman on June 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

It’s what he won’t do that important, he wont do stuff like invent Obamacare and other big-gov programs. He won’t steal from the young to buy the votes of the old. He won’t continue the corrupt status quo that is destroying the country.

Unlike Romney, and especially Obama, what Gary Johnson says and what he did when he was actually in office are the same things, and Gary Johnson was far and away better that the other two.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Gretchen on Red Eye ;)

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM

..he knows that…but continuously keeps farting anyway!

KOOLAID2 on June 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

This is the price we pay for open registration K2. The intell gene pool really gets dilluted. Oh well, Good evening.

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 11:19 PM

and you keep dancing around, you insisted i provide bulleted rebuttals but you change the subject constantly. share your opinions on why roberts did what he did, stop the slight of hand,

chasdal on June 29, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Don’t be a unaware joker and accuse me of dancing around while you were the one who chose to evade my challenge by trying to weave me into the conversation.

You said, “i dont have to rebut him point by point since he had no points”. “no points”? Funny – I counted 5 major ones!

If you disagree with any or all them, why don’t you not be an intellectually dishonest ball of rage, and explain how/why they’re false?:

1) “Roberts denied O the cover of the Commerce Clause.”

2) “He BS’ed the liberals into agreeing to the “tax” label. Other than Gisburg, none of them caught it.”

3) “He rebuked O soundly on several issues. By applying the word “tax,” he called O a liar, and handed the Republicans a gold-plated gift!”

4) “To top it off, he punted the ball back to Congress; after all, if you believe conservatives, it’s “their (Congress’) job” to legislate, not the Court’s.”

5) “The decision effectively set the stage for OCare to be exposed as a massive tax increase. It turns OCare from a program the Dimmys are proud of into, as Ed Rendell so aptly put it, an “albatross around (their) neck.””

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 11:19 PM

CJ Roberts is a genius. It’s a shame no one seems to get it.

n0doz on June 29, 2012 at 10:20 PM

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I think this needs to be parsed out better for conservatives to see past their disappointment.

In that light, it would be immensely beneficial if the Hot Air staff would put some effort into their labors and STOP using the same tired “Boo Hoo! What does it mean meme?”

Specifically, by a 7-2 the court found the Medicaid Extortion/Expansion was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

This gives ALL states that so choose the power to kill ObamaTAX right now.

Don’t make me go all TROLLY on you, people. Think about what the direct effect of that portion of the ruling MEANS.

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Bmore, Flora Duh, Bishop, Txmomof6, Seven Percent, all of you who are rational thinkers …….
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Either show me how I am wrong or please start thinking this through as a group.
(no, FloatingRock – you are just a spammer and will not be engaged)

And then start to think rationally about the implication of it is ALL A TAX.
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We MADE 2010 a WAVE election which was the biggest in over 70 years because people were so enraged by ObamaTAX.

Now the whole truth of it has always been one big tax increase is laid out in black and white.

I will guarantee you. NO ONE, least of all the SCOAMF, is going to get elected this year on the basis of RAISING TAXES.

Oh, and a side note in closing to the following:

Enough with you drama queens declaring the end of the U.S.A. and how you are going to leave the country.

Good! Go! Good Riddance! If your spine, brain and b@11s are made of that kind of jelly – we are much better off without you.

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

But the majority has to vote for the same person…
for this to work…

Maybe I missed your point..

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:17 PM

right, and when did Gary Johnson become a threat to Romney?

he didn’t, he won’t. So if someone wants to vote Johnson to protest the lame as h*ll GOP, I say good. Vote your principles.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

and I go Jerrimiah Johnson. It’s not even by choice.
wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I don’t know if I can fight off that many indians or grizz, but I can cook good rabbit, so I’m on board.

Dongemaharu on June 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

..you cook good rabbit, pilgrim!

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:24 PM

If we just go ahead and legalize pot, will that be enough to get rid of uber-libertarians running for office on that premise?

wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I can’t decide if it’s more stupid than obnoxious, or more obnoxious than stupid.

greggriffith on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

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It’s equal parts of both. WordPad is the way to go.

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:29 PM

@ wolly4321

That would cipher a ton of votes from the Dems for sure

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Issa, Grassley release details about Fast and Furious whistleblower retaliation, cover-up

In a Friday letter to the DOJ’s Inspector General Michael Horowitz, Grassley and Issa said they’re now concerned retaliation is much more likely following Thursday’s votes to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal and civil contempt of Congress.

“We just learned that ATF senior management placed two of the main whistleblowers who have testified before Congress about Fast and Furious under the supervision of someone who vowed to retaliate against them,” they wrote before describing how senior political figures have made dangerous threats before.

Grassley and Issa said that in early 2011, right around the time Grassley first made public the whistleblowers’ allegations about Fast and Furious, Scot Thomasson – then the chief of the ATF’s Public Affairs Division – said, according to an eyewitness account: “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”

Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.”

According to Grassley and Issa, when Thomasson was asked about whistleblowers’ allegations that guns were allowed to walk, Thomasson said he “didn’t know and didn’t care.”

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 11:29 PM

he didn’t, he won’t. So if someone wants to vote Johnson to protest the lame as h*ll GOP, I say good. Vote your principles.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Then vote for Obama…

This has been played out before….

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM

This solved the problem for me.

How to Disable Web Page Auto-Refresh For Various Browsers

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM

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God Bless you, Flora Duh

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Yeah, you are right, of course. I think I will take a couple of months vacation from politics and then come back for the election.

I loathe liberals and Obama. I hope he fails.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Absolutely nothing wrong with taking a break. It can get wearying and soul crushing sometimes, like now.

Do vote and try to get people you know to vote if they’ll vote out Obama. Leave the libs alone. ;)

And no “hope”. “Hope” is for the liberals. We have to ensure he fails.

kim roy on June 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Then vote for Obama…

This has been played out before….

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM

no, you’re being absurdly simplistic.

If a person lives in a solid Red State say, and hates both Obama and Romney, a vote for Johnson is simply that – a vote for Johnson.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

I won’t show you where you are wrong because I agree with your premise. I think the comments I’ve made the past 2 days show that.

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

That would cipher a ton of votes from the Dems for sure

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:29 PM

..er..politely..that’s be siphon, old son, siphon.

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

..good evening, ma’am. How’s the temp down in Florida? Staying frosty?

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Yep. I am just tired of being let down and angered. I remember my life pre-2000 and how it was just so much less anger and frustration. I have fought for twelve years and have lost many friends and girlfriends over my politics. Maybe this step is not for all, but I do believe I would be happier if I took up another passion other then politics. Perhaps bashing my forehead into a concrete wall.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Wrong attitude, Comrade. Do you think I would now be free if my family, friends etc. laid down and gave up when we were trying to crush Communism?

I’m not saying you have to immerse yourself in this stuff every day, regardless of the disappoints, get involved and fight.

The Iron Curtain would one day be torn down from both sides by a revolution that liberated Poland over the course of 10 years, Hungary in 10 months, East Germany in 10 weeks, Czechoslovakia in 10 days and Romania in 10 hours……….
Madeleine Albright, “Prague Winter

Only we the people can make it happen.

JPeterman on June 29, 2012 at 11:35 PM

It is this that still lives in the hearts of Americans, whether we voice it or not. It is this that will show up in November at the ballot box, to save this country, again.

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Let’s see here. TXUS, TXann56, TXhs, TXmomo6, 4grace, night owl and many others who dwell in TX but have different screen names.
Maybe California is not the place to be anymore.

People on HA keep me going. Every state has people who cannot believe what has happened to this country.

Mrs. ziffel, put your mu mu on, we’re headed East to the Alamo—-no, not alano.

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM

@ War Planner

thank you Webster

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM

no, you’re being absurdly simplistic.

If a person lives in a solid Red State say, and hates both Obama and Romney, a vote for Johnson is simply that – a vote for Johnson.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM

What are you saying…

I live in Idaho…

We don’t know anything about Johnson…
Mormon am I.. Not..
Work with them….
Yes..

Complaints…
None…

I expect others to say the same about Johnson not being in the limelight….

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

This election coming should be a gimme, any sane rational being, should be seeking a correction to the record. It kinda always ends up back with. Can I trust our citizens with such a important decision before them, to fall my way. We obviously are not trusting any of the way it has been done to date. House, Senate, Executive, Court. Now it’s down to four and a half months. It is simply must win. Will our citizens in enough numbers notice? Me I am engaging almost every single person I talk to at varying levels and they have noticed. They are ready to bid 0 a short goodbye. Might just be the crowd I bump into on the other hand.

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Mrs. ziffel, put your mu mu on, we’re headed East to the Alamo—-no, not alano.

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM

I’m sure you and Mrs. Z would like it in TX.

jaime on June 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM

@ War Planner

thank you Webster

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM

..don’t thank me..thank your English teacher.

Oh, wait.

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:40 PM

eanax on June 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM

It’s really comical to watch the mental gymnastics folks like you go through to make this some kind victory for Republicans, and the court. I mean, you contradict yourself in two sentences, lol. Roberts, the brilliant strategist, didn’t do this out of cowardice. Nooo, he did this because he was afraid the court would become a lightning rod, lol. He didn’t do it because he was afraid, he did it because he was aFraid.

Hey, you should be a supreme court justice. You’ve got the doubletalk part down pat. Then you could say something isn’t really a tax, and then call it legal because it is a tax.

Give me a break.

xblade on June 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM

haha, I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand.

a vote for Johnson is not a vote for Obama. That’s partisan nonsense meant to bully people into voting GOP

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

God, do us all a favor and take care of Darrel Issa, please

Not normally given to praying in public but this took guts:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/darrell_issa_puts_details_of_secret_wiretap_applications_in_congressional-215828-1.html

And puts that lying POS of an AG out for public outrage.

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Oh, and a side note in closing to the following:

Enough with you drama queens declaring the end of the U.S.A. and how you are going to leave the country.

Good! Go! Good Riddance! If your spine, brain and b@11s are made of that kind of jelly – we are much better off without you.

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Exactly what Churchill told Chamberlain, more eloquently of course. When at war, there are only two kinds of people, warriors and cowards. The first fight and protect, the second flee and appease. The first would rather die standing than live on their knees, the second never knew how to stand in the first place.

For those today who would flee, whilst we are on the precipice of a clear victory over liberalism and socialism, the first time ever we have had this kind of chance, I feel nothing but pity for them and, like you, I say good, go to your knees and take whatever the state decides to shove in your mouth.

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Only we the people can make it happen.

JPeterman on June 29, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Thanks for the example, JP. Really appreciate it.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 10:39 PM

you’re one of the guys that supports the inventor of Obamacare.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Flora Duh!…I didn’t know!…had no idea!…if that’s true than I’m coming out of the closet here on Hot Air!…I must be GEH!

KOOLAID2 on June 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM

a vote for Johnson is not a vote for Obama. That’s partisan nonsense meant to bully people into voting GOP

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I agree with you..

A vote for Johnson is not a vote for Obama..
But it isn’t a vote for someone promising an answer to Obama…

I don’t trust Romney..

But I loathe Obama

Guess who I am voting for….

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Oh, wait.

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I’m starting to detect a note of hostility from you.

How could I ever accidentally type cipher instead of siphon? right?

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM

good evening, ma’am. How’s the temp down in Florida? Staying frosty?

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Evening WP. Yep, close to 100 today, supposed to be the same tomorrow. I may have to break out the wool socks.

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Bizarro- explain to me how one justices opinion with dissent limits by law the commerce clause?

I doesn’t. It’ constrains it not one iota.

You are making a false claim. They didn’t even vote on that. Ginsburg wrote a dissent on precisely that.

The commerce clause stands as strong as it did on Wednesday. It just has more daylight shining on it. Roberts ruling means nothing to the commerce clause whatsoever.not a damned thing.

Pity,, actually a freaking full out crawl up in a ball and weep kinda moment. I prefered Scaliia’s hey let’s burn down Wickard vs Fillburn take on things.

Don’tcha agree???

wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, here is some Todd Rundgren.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Where Ted Kennedy is, there is no rest.

bw222 on June 29, 2012 at 9:54 PM

… and no peace.

AZfederalist on June 29, 2012 at 11:49 PM

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Normally I would think a tax is repealed thru the legislature. Then signed off on by the Executive. A scenario which to me at this point is plausible. At least I think that’s how it works. I’m on Holiday. Yes the lovely and talented better half have been blessing the cup. So there’s that.; )

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Except the slaves took slavery over death. And you see what that got them. An infinity of victimhood, dependence, and failure.

Retard.

jaime on June 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

My family, and many others, disagree.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on June 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM

haha, I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand.

a vote for Johnson is not a vote for Obama. That’s partisan nonsense meant to bully people into voting GOP

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

…I’m laughing too Electrongod…the WWF tag team partner of OffyerRocker…and we don’t even have to turn on the TV!

KOOLAID2 on June 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM

KOOLAID2 on June 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Don’t worry. FR is someone who is known to exhibit signs of serious confusion.

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Guess who I am voting for….

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I’ll guess the Romster :)

and I’ll cast my protest vote for Johnson, but don’t worry! This state is the GOP’s Red Headed Stepchild.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, here is some Todd Rundgren.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM

About time.

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:51 PM

Yea, I think I’m gonna spend more time at the range too. It doesn’t seem like a bad idea. Got a new eotech holographic weapon site for the AR. It’s awesome. I could use a few more 1,000 round bricks, too.

wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

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Went out back to my stable table at 50 yards tonight and put a magazine into the bullet stop while getting a feel for the Geissele Match Rifle trigger I got for Father’s Day.

… every bullet now goes EXACTLY where I sent it – if it is not dead center, it’s my fault along.

Which EOTech did you get?

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:51 PM

The only thing I can figure is Roberts decided it was up to the voters to decide and he determined the mandate was a tax because it would only take 51 senate votes to repeal much of Obamacare.

And I would tell you, never let evil go any further when you have the ability to destroy it.
The consequences can be catastrophic.

Speakup on June 29, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Might just be the crowd I bump into on the other hand.

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM

..howdy, Mr B. There’s a lot of down-playing of the Tea Party effect on the shows, but one gets the feeling that is nay-saying ans whistling past the graveyard. The clips I have seen of the demonstration show a pretty vibrant throng of folks gathering as they did before in 2009 and 2010.

Also, I got slammed with a ton of e-mails from my friends and a lot of the local TP organizations here in SoCal. (SoCal!)

By the way, can’t you just feel it? I sure feel energized! The one thing this has done – irrespective of CJ Roberts’ motive and competence — is that it has driven the Tea Party folks and he “Romney Folks” together. And I do not mean that the Tea Party folks now have to get behind Romney. Rather, a lot of us who would be classified as moderate by some folks on this site are just flat blindly pissed off and resolve not only to fight to throw Obama out but also to work our asss off to get the Tea Party candidates elected.

I want a goddam bloodbath in 2012 that’ll make 2010 look like — well — a tea party.

It ain’t gonna stop on November 7th, old son. For me, it’s gonna continue on and on and on..until we do make government responsive to the people.

NOVEMBER 6TH: OUR TURN!

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

If Obama had a son..
He would look like John Roberts.

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 9:09 PM

enough said

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on June 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Nooo, he did this because he was afraid the court would become a lightning rod, lol. He didn’t do it because he was afraid, he did it because he was afraid.

Hey, you should be a supreme court justice. You’ve got the doubletalk part down pat. Then you could say something isn’t really a tax, and then call it legal because it is a tax.

xblade on June 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Kind of like why did Col. Jessup give the two orders. If Santiago wasn’t to be touched, then why was he in grave danger?

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

This election coming should be a gimme, any sane rational being, should be seeking a correction to the record.

Bmore

It probably WOULD have been a gimme had Roberts not sided with the liberal wing of the supreme court. Had this law rightly been thrown out, Obama’s presidency would likely have been irreparably damaged and embarrassed, with virtually no chance of being re-elected.

Instead, the supreme court has given him their stamp of approval, and has legitimized his presidency. Like it or not, that’s going to make it even more difficult to beat him.

And to you idiot republicans who are running around claiming the Robert’s decision is a good thing because now the dems can’t talk bad about us in the upcoming election, just stop. You’re be-clowning yourselves, and you do it every time.

xblade on June 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I figure Roberts has no spine

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Don’t worry. FR is someone who is known to exhibit signs of serious confusion.

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Flora, are you feeling even more focused and determined than say, just a few days ago? I sure am. I like it. ; )

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

“note of hostility”.

Lol.

wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, here is some Todd Rundgren.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM

…you don’t get to take a break from politics until November!…you supply tunes!
(I am allowed…since I just poop here!) (:->)

KOOLAID2 on June 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

So, just to be clear, the government can’t constitutionally require you to buy health insurance.

But it can impose a fine -er, ‘tax’- for your failure to do so.

There’s a sound constitutional principle for you.

Jingo95 on June 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Yes the lovely and talented better half have been blessing the cup. So there’s that.; )

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:49 PM

.
Happy 28th to you and your better half!

We’ve got 2 months to go till our 32nd

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM

My family, and many others, disagree.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on June 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Of course, like anything else, there are exceptions.

jaime on June 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM

How could I ever accidentally type cipher instead of siphon? right?

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM

..did you follow the link I provided?

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Exactly what Churchill told Chamberlain, more eloquently of course. When at war, there are only two kinds of people, warriors and cowards. The first fight and protect, the second flee and appease. The first would rather die standing than live on their knees, the second never knew how to stand in the first place.

For those today who would flee, whilst we are on the precipice of a clear victory over liberalism and socialism, the first time ever we have had this kind of chance, I feel nothing but pity for them and, like you, I say good, go to your knees and take whatever the state decides to shove in your mouth.

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Well said. I would like to shake your hand some day, Sir/Madam.

JPeterman on June 29, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Kennedy is the true hero.

The furniture pieces s/b blasted into hell but are not even mentioned.

Roberts is already there.

Obama hates the middle class and is taxing them into oblivion.

Since this is a regressive tax Obama also hates the poor.

Find spine and tell the world, no matter what the stupid Carney, Plouffe, Pelosi or Obama spew.

Oh, and the picture of Michael Moore s/b on Michelle Obama’s food regulations.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 11:56 PM

I’ll guess the Romster :)

and I’ll cast my protest vote for Johnson, but don’t worry! This state is the GOP’s Red Headed Stepchild.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM

It is our only hope…..
We are dealt the cards..

Either walk out or play…

I will play..

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:57 PM

And to you idiot republicans who are running around claiming the Robert’s decision is a good thing because now the dems can’t talk bad about us in the upcoming election, just stop. You’re be-clowning yourselves, and you do it every time.
xblade on June 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I am stealing that, x.

Cleombrotus on June 29, 2012 at 11:57 PM

..did you follow the link I provided?

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM

yes Webster…do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth Webster?

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM

If Obama had a son..
He would look like John Roberts.

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 9:09 PM

enough said

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on June 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

We are on our own….

This isn’t new….

History……

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:59 PM

xblade on June 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I don’t believe folks like 0care any more now then before. They may in facto end up liking it a lot less. Once they realize the enormous tax increase. Depends on the narrative that is shaped. People don’t like tax increases.

For the record, I consider myself a Conservative, not necessarily an R.

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 12:00 AM

I’d rather look at a photo of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

TimBuk3 on June 30, 2012 at 12:00 AM

arnold ziffel on June 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Texans are neanderthals. What well educated elitist would ever want to live there.

cozmo on June 30, 2012 at 12:00 AM

I want a goddam bloodbath in 2012 that’ll make 2010 look like — well — a tea party.

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM

.
Excellent thought.

God willing the liberals will spend November 7th steering their porcelain buses.

PolAgnostic on June 30, 2012 at 12:00 AM

facto=fact

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 12:01 AM

As much as WE ALL WANTED this crap to be over and done with yesterday, it never was going to be over and done with at this decision, regardless how it was decided at the SC. The caterwauling over the “partisan supreme court”, (especially with the 2000 election decision still festering the warped liberal hive mind) would NEVER EVER have stopped if Roberts went the other way.

So what we are left with, is a legal definition of any pickpocketing by the government as a TAX, no matter what they want to call it. Obamacare now legally defined as a tax, it is extremely vulnerable to attack on multiple fronts – political, fiscal, structural, idealogical, etc., and legislatively, taxes have particular vulnerabilities. I love Rubio’s characterization of Obamacare as being “an IRS problem for all Americans”. That meme’s got LEGS! This can, should, and better be defeated politically and then legislatively.

The catch is – We MUST do our jobs as voters and citizens, see to it that Romney is elected and has majorities in both houses of congress. Then hold his feet to a red-hot Tea Party fire to make sure Obamacare is repealed in its entirety, and replaced with free market solutions that get govt the hell out of the health care industry, and out of the way of the private sector across the board.

We need to send massive reinforcements in to the Tea Party Class of 2010, then rinse and repeat every two years until leftist ideology is utterly defeated at the ballot box, and constitutional integrity is restored.

We’ll never have a better chance in our lifetimes to turn the ship than November 2012. If we don’t get it done then, we really are cooked.

Harbingeing on June 30, 2012 at 12:01 AM

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM
Don’t get me wrong. I was and still am terribly disappointed in the decision, primarily because I think any harm in a loss to the Court’s reputation was immaterial, so I think the easy way out for the conservative argument would have been for Roberts to strike the whole thing down. However, I had no problem with Bush v. Gore, and didn’t think the Court’s reputation suffered from it in any meaningful way. Apparently, to Roberts that was a real danger.
I do know from dealing with unreasonable children that sometimes you have to get the result you want by sweetening the medicine, which isn’t exactly the most direct or honest approach, but it works to achieve the desired result, a well child. I think our Framers set up a very good system for balancing competing interests and it has gotten out of whack. The best remedy though has always been going through the system as designed. Legislative process. And that doesn’t mean process that is abused which is what we had with ObamaCare.

To all those folks who rightfully are horribly disappointed in the court’s decision. I would remind them that the concept of judicial review was not part of the Constitution as it was drafted. It came about after the Constitution was enacted in the case of Marbury v. Madison. That doesn’t mean Marbury wasn’t necessary or good law, but Justice Marshall came up with it and it fundamentally changed our system of government as it was designed. It was a testament to our young government that they accepted this seizing of judicial power and it has stood all these years.
Maybe Obama’s words the week after oral argument really did change Justice Robert’s mind, if it made him reflect on the rationale for Marbury v. Madison in the Constitutional framework. Who knows.
All I know is we have a remedy, and it is alot easier for citizens to overturn a bad statute then it is for them to overturn a bad judicial decision, which an expansion of the Commerce Clause would have been. We can do it if we have the will of the people as expressed in an election and if we hold our elected officials accountable. So I have not lost hope, I have not lost faith and I only hope I have the energy to keep up the fight.

txmomof6 on June 30, 2012 at 12:01 AM

“note of hostility”.

Lol.

wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

..not at all. Just my usual Boston Brahmin blueblood, hyper-grammar-nazi officiousness.

:-D

By the way, I commend you on your choice of avocations, sir (or madam as the case may be). I too am a practitioner of down-range lead hurling. Although, I will will wager I am far less skilled than thee. Nonetheless, I revel in the sound of a good fusillade and the shredding of paper 100 yards or so distant.

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:01 AM

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Not sure what part of the state you’re in, but the Fort Bend County tea party is having a Cruz/Dewhurst forum on July 7. I’m taking my CHL test that day so can’t attend. I’m sure it will be packed, especially because of yesterday. Cruz signed the pledge to repeal Ocare a long time ago. I think he’s got the momentum.

TxAnn56 on June 30, 2012 at 12:02 AM

There’s my curtain call. Perhaps a bit later.

Good Night All.

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Might just be the crowd I bump into on the other hand.

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM

…not unusual, since many of us live and associate with like minded people, family, friends, co-workers, etc. I’m going out of my way to engage the others…and it doesn’t end well most of the time!…(but not for me!)

KOOLAID2 on June 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 12:03 AM

‘Nite, Bmore. Sleep well.

jaime on June 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM

There’s my curtain call. Perhaps a bit later.

Good Night All.

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Take care…

You helped me with the attacks from Biship…

:}

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 12:05 AM

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Churchill said that there is nothing so powerful as being shot at and being missed.

This is what happened yesterday to Obama. Roberts, by adding language to the 2700 pages, that wasn’t in there, enabled Obama’s head to swell, and allows Obama to lie ‘constitutionally’, the only thing he’s good at.

The precedent of justices making up language in legislature is incredible to contemplace and precedent in English law is almost everything.

Just because someone disagrees with Roberts doesn’t mean that they are not going to be at the barricades.

Nothin, but nothing is more infuriating than to observe that people on the right can’t concurrently hold more than one thought in one God-given brain.

I’m sick and tired of being lectured on imaginary wussitude and on being considered a weakling for not towing the ‘rightist’ lane 100%. Open your eyes, those of you who are so righteous. You are being Fluked royally by both sides.

The TEA party was awoken yesterday like no fury ever before, for very good reasons. TEA stands for Taxed Enough Already.

That one fights for Nov. doesn’t negate what happened yesterday.

Roberts’ caca is not chocolate, as another commenter said earlier. What the leftists and the media, yes, a repeat, eat in Obama’s azz is not Beluga caviar either.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2012 at 12:05 AM

contemplace = contemplate

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2012 at 12:07 AM

I think we should get back to the salient point. If Republicans make legal marijuana a platform position, that siphons a ton of votes from the Dems – we win in a landslide. (how’s that typo nazi? no effin’ soup for you)

Slade73 on June 30, 2012 at 12:07 AM

contemplace: where I go to think.

jaime on June 30, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Speak for yourself, are you either of the other two people above who made a commitment to freedom and liberty? No, you’re one of the guys that supports the inventor of Obamacare.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Holy crap FR, are you that limited in your vision? you will now jump from the the sell out Paul to Gary… it is a sad, sad day. Just suck it up, make the change you can, and realize that the the nomination will never have all of the beliefs that you do.

uncommon sense on June 30, 2012 at 12:08 AM

The Iron Curtain would one day be torn down from both sides by a revolution that liberated Poland over the course of 10 years, Hungary in 10 months, East Germany in 10 weeks, Czechoslovakia in 10 days and Romania in 10 hours……….
Madeleine Albright, “Prague Winter

Only we the people can make it happen.

JPeterman on June 29, 2012 at 11:35 PM

The preference cascade. I predict we will see one here before November.

The battle to re-take the government has just begun. Have faith and fight on.

If I am sure of anything it is that there is nothing the likes of Obama’s Corrupt Clown Posse can do that we can’t undo.

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 12:08 AM

contemplace: where I go to think.

jaime on June 30, 2012 at 12:08 AM | Delete

Good thing I cought myself in time.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2012 at 12:09 AM

latah bmore

Slade73 on June 30, 2012 at 12:09 AM

signing off..
I will be here tomorrow…

See ya soon. friends…

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Slade73 on June 30, 2012 at 12:07 AM

How does that work? Can you cipher it for us?

jaime on June 30, 2012 at 12:10 AM

God willing the liberals will spend November 7th steering their porcelain buses.

PolAgnostic on June 30, 2012 at 12:00 AM

..and, if the results are as expected, I, good sirrah, shall be calling Ralph on the White Phone, talking to the carpet, making an offering to the porcelain god, blowing lunch, fertilizing the sidewalk, and otherwise horking up the elements of my victorious revelry.

It will be the happiest hang-over I will have ever had!

:-D

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:10 AM

There’s my curtain call. Perhaps a bit later.

Good Night All.

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Night B, I was hoping that you’d stay around for a while and we could spin tunes, but I guess that isn’t in the cards.

uncommon sense on June 30, 2012 at 12:10 AM

(how’s that typo nazi? no effin’ soup for you)

Slade73 on June 30, 2012 at 12:07 AM

..good work, old son! Ye’re coming along!

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Electrongod on June 30, 2012 at 12:10 AM

‘Nite, Electrongod.

jaime on June 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM

If I am sure of anything it is that there is nothing the likes of Obama’s Corrupt Clown Posse can do that we can’t undo.

novaculus on June 30, 2012 at 12:08 AM | Delete

Don’t be so sure. Fight that he and McCain and Lugar don’t pass that Treaty about the Seas. It could never be undone, no matter who wins in Nov. The U.N. not the US would then monitor the seas and grant drilling permits for the oceans, in great part.

Schadenfreude on June 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM

How does that work? Can you cipher it for us?

jaime on June 30, 2012 at 12:10 AM

lol

Slade73 on June 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Good Night All.

Bmore on June 30, 2012 at 12:03 AM

..good night, Mr B. Sorry we could not chat more. God bless and sleep tight but be ready for the attack at dawn!

The War Planner on June 30, 2012 at 12:13 AM

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