Quotes of the day

posted at 8:53 pm on June 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

However painful it was to read the headline “Obamacare Stands” on Drudge yesterday, Chief Justice Roberts made the right call.

Roberts’s opinion, far from being an act of cowardice or betrayal, is true to the tradition of the early Republic, when the Supreme Court exercised the power of judicial review to strike down federal statutes only very rarely…

There is a larger point. If the only way Americans can defend their liberties is to hide behind the verbiage of a Supreme Court opinion, it’s already too late for freedom here.

***

Conservatives who are trying to salvage a little “hope and change” from Chief Justice John Roberts’s disastrous ruling in the Obamacare case yesterday argue that the limits the Court placed on the Commerce Clause and the power of the federal government vis à vis the states are victories for conservatives in the long run. But in this case, the short run is the long run: Obamacare will change our society forever–and not for the better.

Liberals are celebrating, not just because Barack Obama’s presidency is no longer just a waste of time, but also because they believe that people will never reject entitlements once they have them. Evidence from around the world proves them right.

***

This country is hopelessly split along ideological lines, and it seems impossible for either side to gain any lasting advantage over the other. But maybe Roberts has managed to do precisely that. By nominally endorsing an overwhelmingly unpopular bill that is in major trouble anyway, he has created the political space needed to strike directly at the heart of liberal legal theory without inflaming the Democrats.

This, by the way, is exactly what the Warren Court of the 1950s and 1960s failed to do. Insufficiently concerned about political fallout, the liberals on that court plunged ahead with leftist policymaking from the bench. As a consequence, conservatives grew acutely aware of the dangers inherent to liberal judicial activism, organized politically to fight back, and thus was ultimately born the Rehnquist Court, which rolled back many of the excesses of the Warren years.

But how do conservatives continue their judicial project without similarly inflamming the left and stalling their own agenda in its tracks? Well, just maybe Chief Justice John Roberts showed the way yesterday. It’s all about taking opportunities as they present themselves, not over-reaching, and playing the long game.

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[I]f the underlying mandate is otherwise unconstitutional, as Roberts concluded, how does adding a penalty make it okay? Under this precedent, Congress could theoretically mandate anything it wants and slap on a nominal penalty and defend it in Court as a tax after the fact. To use a popular example, the government can now still force you to purchase broccoli, as long as the punishment is a fine rather than imprisonment…

In a broader sense, this case was testing the assumption that the Supreme Court would never invalidate a major act of Congress. Even if Roberts had only agreed to strike down the mandate, it would have sent a powerful message that the Supreme Court is willing to protect the Constitution from further encroachments. But I fear when all is said and done, after this case, future lawmakers will still feel confident in the assumption that they can pass whatever they want, and if the legislation is major enough, the Supreme Court will find some sort of excuse to uphold it.

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Some will suggest that this is no victory at all, given the Court’s ruling that the money one must pay for failing to obtain insurance can be supported as a use of Congress’s taxing power. However, by confining within the taxing power the ability of Congress to adopt such schemes, the Court has greatly limited Congress’s ability and political appetite to attempt them in the future…

Another thing to note is that Chief Justice Roberts’s opinion on the taxing power is limited. He noted that it could not be considered punitive because the amount citizens are required to pay for not having insurance is far less than they would have to pay to obtain insurance. He strongly suggests that, if Congress were to require citizens to pay an amount greater than the costs of insurance, that would constitute a penalty, and thus would be unconstitutional.

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I would find this perspective [that Roberts's opinion was a victory for smaller government] considerably more persuasive if I could envision how, exactly, this war of “slow constriction” is supposed to play out. Does anyone really believe that a Roberts-led Court is likely to revisit the constitutionality of the major post-New Deal social programs? That it’s going to overturn child labor laws and minimum wage laws, or shutter regulatory agencies? Whatever precedent was set yesterday, that kind of genuine counter-revolution seems highly unlikely…

In an intellectual sense, the logic of the health care mandate may indeed have been “pregnant with rampant statism,” as Will puts it. But in terms of practical politics, the health care bill was itself the most statist act that’s likely to pass Congress over the next decade at least, and maybe in John Roberts’ lifetime. And by upholding it, Roberts handed liberals a victory in the scope-of-government war that matters most to them, while at worst setting them up to lose some less important skirmishes somewhere down the road.

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In his remarkable health care opinion Thursday, the chief justice of the Supreme Court restrained the power of his own institution. He decided not to use judicial power to overrule the democratic process. He decided not to provoke a potential institutional crisis. Granted, he had to imagine a law slightly different than the one that was passed in order to get the result he wanted, but Roberts’s decision still represents a moment of, if I can say so, Burkean minimalism and self-control…

And here’s the biggest gift that Roberts gave to the nation: By restraining the power of the court to shape health care policy, he opened up space for the rest of us to shape that policy through the political process. By modestly refraining from rewriting health care laws himself, he has given voters and politicians more room to be audacious.

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What did Roberts get? Institutional respect for the Court from people who have no respect for the Courts unless they win? That’s not a prize one can count on to last long. If you think liberals we say, “we’ll let it slide next time we lose a 5-4 decision and promise to never again push the boundaries of the Commerce Clause because Roberts gave us ObamaCare” you’ve missed the last 80 or 90 years of liberalism and the courts. Maybe I missed something but the New Deal and Warren courts* were happy to overturn decades and decades of law and never felt the need to “throw a bone” to conservatives (or people who thought the words of the Constitution had some set meanings).

In fact, Roberts has actually lost something very important (if this theory is right)…he’s shown that with enough bullying and threats against the legitimacy of his Court, he’ll give in.

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There are probably five votes to uproot the entire campaign finance system, a decision that would make Citizens United look like small fry. And there are probably five votes to invalidate Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.

I don’t think invalidating the ACA would have affected the court’s legitimacy that much, at least outside of liberals in the legal academy. But taken as a whole, this series of decisions really might have irrevocably hurt the court’s reputation for independence.

But Roberts has something of an ace up his sleeve now. Accusations of hyper-partisanship are much harder to make against him, and he has more freedom to move on these issues.

All told, it is easier for the conservative wing of the court to make some significant rulings in some other policy areas.

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I don’t know what’s in Roberts’s heart, but no court watcher I’ve heard from puts much weight on the idea that Roberts did anything other than reason backward from the result he wanted in order to buy respect from the court’s critics at the expense of his own beliefs…

That so few people seem to care augurs poorly for the rule of law and the auspices of our republic.

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From kingjester’s blog post today, Et Tu, Roberts?

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 9:46 PM

And, the closing argument, from Patrick Henry, in that same speech:

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

It is this that still lives in the hearts of Americans, whether we voice it or not. It is this that will show up in November at the ballot box, to save this country, again.

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

“Do you feel lucky, Punk?”

jaime on June 29, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I wouldn’t so much describe it as luck, how about, determined?

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

our nominee is ROMNEY … he is gonna do that ….
R I G H T ….

conservative tarheel on June 29, 2012 at 10:27 PM

So lets vote for the 9-9-9 guy…

Or that woman…

We have been dealt this hand….

don’t waist it…

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:29 PM

WBhere Ted Kennedy is, there is no rest.

bw222 on June 29, 2012 at 9:54 PM

He’s still drunk, you know.

SagebrushPuppet on June 29, 2012 at 10:29 PM

waist = waste..

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:29 PM

No one seems to get it.

Get what? You seem to think that every government action that quickens the destruction of this country is o.k. as long as it doesn’t violate some constitutional interpretation or is politically advantageous. How about we quit fawning over a document that’s been changed dozens of times or pretending this is political chess that stacks the board in favor of Republican politicians and start worrying about the future of our country and our culture?

lowandslow on June 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I know this much is true; I have had it with politics. I have been obsessed for twelve years now and this decision has killed my spirit.
I know for sure that I am taking a break from politics, daily. I might take a permanent leave.
I get the feeling that we are all screwed. Both sides are the same. Term limits must be given in order to get our views voiced and our desires developed into our laws. They all suck. All of them. I believe Reagan was the last of the special politicians who seriously cared for the people and their views.
It is over. Our country is American Idol.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

It is this that still lives in the hearts of Americans, whether we voice it or not. It is this that will show up in November at the ballot box, to save this country, again.

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Right on!

Vote against the candidates responsible for Obamneycare.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:31 PM

I hope conservatives are noticing that a lot of the Romney lovers at National Review and Fox News seem pretty happy about the Obamneycare ruling.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Well I guess the tools posing as conservatives can now show their hand.

SparkPlug on June 29, 2012 at 10:31 PM

It is this that still lives in the hearts of Americans, whether we voice it or not. It is this that will show up in November at the ballot box, to save this country, again.

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

+1000

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 10:32 PM

canopfor on June 29, 2012 at 10:16 PM

With the way this country is sinking, we’re gonna need a bigger boat.

TxAnn56 on June 29, 2012 at 10:21 PM

TxAnn56:Yup,so true,to stick the Progressives in it,on a one way trip
to a former British Penal Colony Island!:)

canopfor on June 29, 2012 at 10:32 PM

thanks a lot Justice Roberts and Dr Pepper

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 10:33 PM

that is a mind-numbingly stupid theory….

chasdal on June 29, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Then you should no hesitation to deconstruct the argument, point by point, rather than hoping that to say, ‘It’s stupid, so don’t you dare disagree with me about it!!!’ is convincing/persuasive on a rational level…

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

It is this that still lives in the hearts of Americans, whether we voice it or not. It is this that will show up in November at the ballot box, to save this country, again.

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

… because that was what Henry was suggesting – more attempts at reasonable discourse, supplication, petitioning, trying to work with Parliament and the King, etc. /s

The longer part of the quote – before the part you posted – is Henry quite adeptly explaining why continuing down the prescribed path they had been trying for so very long was utterly futile.

But yeah, let’s count on the proverbial “next election” to fix it… *this* time, for sure. Henry would no doubt agree.

Midas on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

+1000

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 10:32 PM

This is awesome, I’m glad to hear that so many people are going to vote for Gary Johnson in ’12. He is the only candidate in the race that isn’t responsible for Obamacare so it makes sense, obviously.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Oh, and will someone please show me how many times GOP selected justices have voted with the other side versus the liberal selected crossing the aisles? Has a liberal ever, ever voted with the GOP on anything??

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

you buy into it?? that roberts came up w/ this ridiculously elaborate scheme as a way to help the republicans win in november?? instead of just doing the right thing and killing the bill he weaves this dastardly scheme to destroy obama?? tahts what you believe? yeah, taht is a mind-numbingly stupid theory still

chasdal on June 29, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Katy,, you’re a pleasure to read. I agree with Bmore. I come here because of folks like you.

wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 10:37 PM

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canopfor on June 29, 2012 at 10:37 PM

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Keep beating this dead horse, Obama-lover, it becomes you.

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Instead of all these whining and groaning, the thing to do is work to get Barry and the Dems out of office in November.

bayview on June 29, 2012 at 10:37 PM

lamp post….rope … liberal congress critter / judge ….
so assemby required ….

conservative tarheel on June 29, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I wouldn’t so much describe it as luck, how about, determined?

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

You said:

I want to know that the citizenery are the ones that ultimately decide. That relies on our citizens to vote to preserve their family’s well being and their own self interest.

Obama won in 2008 by 6%. Thence, the question…

jaime on June 29, 2012 at 10:38 PM

This is awesome, I’m glad to hear that so many people are going to vote for Gary Johnson in ’12. He is the only candidate in the race that isn’t responsible for Obamacare so it makes sense, obviously.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Dream on kid.

Oh and in spite of what you keep trying to convince people of, Gary Johnson is not well known. I had never even heard of the man until he showed up on the GOP ticket.

And I’ve been a semi-well informed political junkie for the past 4 years.

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:29 PM

oh I am voting for Romney … ABO ….

I do not think he is up to all the changes
that were numbered ….

conservative tarheel on June 29, 2012 at 10:40 PM

It was not the right call, not by a long shot. All Obama has to do is win the next election. By any means including fraud.

shar61 on June 29, 2012 at 10:41 PM

This is awesome, I’m glad to hear that so many people are going to vote for Gary Johnson in ’12. He is the only candidate in the race that isn’t responsible for Obamacare so it makes sense, obviously.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Are you serious??

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:41 PM

you (and the author) seem to be effectively saying “just let Congress and the Prez do whatever they want, and we can be vigilant and ‘change the oil’ every few years if we don’t like it.”

Midas on June 29, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Maybe I’m expressing it ineffectively, I’m trying to say less than that, I think. I do think having the folks in the robes deciding too much is not the best way to do it all the time. I’m hopeful that this instance will ultimately work out for us both ways. Repeal through the legislature and the executive. With the added benefit of changing the system for the better.

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM

you buy into it?? that roberts came up w/ this ridiculously elaborate scheme as a way to help the republicans win in november?? instead of just doing the right thing and killing the bill he weaves this dastardly scheme to destroy obama?? tahts what you believe? yeah, taht is a mind-numbingly stupid theory still

chasdal on June 29, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Why are you trying to weave me into a request for you to explain your dissent on a rational level? Why, that looks exactly like a technique a Dem would use in defense of Holder!

Shall we try again? :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 10:43 PM

I know this much is true; I have had it with politics. I have been obsessed for twelve years now and this decision has killed my spirit.
I know for sure that I am taking a break from politics, daily. I might take a permanent leave.
I get the feeling that we are all screwed. Both sides are the same. Term limits must be given in order to get our views voiced and our desires developed into our laws. They all suck. All of them. I believe Reagan was the last of the special politicians who seriously cared for the people and their views.
It is over. Our country is American Idol.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I’m with you. Doesn’t matter who we vote into office; we get screwed over and over again. I’m done.

SagebrushPuppet on June 29, 2012 at 10:43 PM

oh I am voting for Romney … ABO ….

I do not think he is up to all the changes
that were numbered ….

conservative tarheel on June 29, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Ignore my last post..

I understand your concerns….
We just don’t have Reagen..
But we have Obama..

Worst then Carter..

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Dream on kid.

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Speak for yourself, are you either of the other two people above who made a commitment to freedom and liberty? No, you’re one of the guys that supports the inventor of Obamacare.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Worst then Carter..

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Worst may = worse..
A clink will tell..:)

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Speak for yourself, are you either of the other two people above who made a commitment to freedom and liberty? No, you’re one of the guys that supports the inventor of Obamacare.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:44 PM


Gary who?

tom daschle concerned on June 29, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Welcome to the newly birthed American Socialist Superstate.

How does A.S.S. taste?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM

And once liberals finish getting true “single payer”, the Superstate can create a database of all medical information, for efficiency’s sake…. the Patient Access Information Network.

So, as we all suspect, Obamacare really is just a precursor to an even more massive P.A.I.N. in the A.S.S.

malclave on June 29, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Is America now a nation of TEATERS looking for a place to suck off the Federal Sow?……or…..

…..do we have the strength to wean ourselves?

PappyD61 on June 29, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Here’s my question for those of you who are wired in to the interwebs like Mr. Universe: What did Roberts (supposedly or not) think that the demonratholes and TFGRP would do to punish the SCOTUS?

Bishop on June 29, 2012 at 9:47 PM


Well, this is a post I made yesterday …

Here is a conspiracy theory for those who care for one:

The dissenting opinion WAS the majority opinion until sometime in the last seven days. For the first time in the history of SCOTUS, the vote and the majority opinion were leaked to POTUS.

Look at the dissenting opinion and think of what it would have done to Obamacare and the entire liberal agenda if issued as the mojority opinion:

The loss of the Commerce Clause justification for ever expanding government WOULD have been an overriding story.

The Obama Presidency is immediately the single, biggest failure EVER.

Not only would Obamacare have been gone. The overturning of the Commerce Clause approach would have invited a TON of new court challenges to expanding government across the board.

SO ….

the SCOAMF contacts the Chief Justice and says,

“I know what you are planning on doing and it is unacceptable. If you let it stand as the majority opinion, I will issue executive orders declaring the mandate was intended to be a tax all along and directing the executive branch of government to follow through on that basis. Our informed legal opinion is the tax approach is constitutional and I will say that I am taking this action as a matter of correctly interpreting both the Constitution and the ACA law. This will cause a Constitutional crisis because I will campaign for the next four months AGAINST the SCOTUS. Or you can revise the decision to align with MY thinking and leave the decision to the voters.”

Read Roberts arguments and note the desperation to find reasons NOT to overturn the law. Sections of it sound sophmoric at times. The legal reasoning is twisted at best.

Note: There was a LOT of talk about implementing it by Executive Order in the last 7 days. Those were the public “just try me” aspect of the threats. In true Chicago style.

I have not nicknamed him “Chicken” Roberts idly.

PolAgnostic on June 28, 2012 at 4:26 PM


Fortunately, I have one of my clones in place allowing me to slip off into the bushes …

PolAgnostic on June 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Are you serious??

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Maybe I’m wrong but that’s the impression I got. At least I bet they’re going to think about it. Unlike you they made a commitment to vote for freedom and liberty, and that suggests to me that they are going to vote for the two candidates that invented Obamacare.

You should consider doing the right thing to and vote to reaffirm freedom and liberty. Gary Johnson is the only candidate that will be on the ballot in November that didn’t invent Obamacare. The other two are the only two politicians in the History America that invented Obamacare. Obviously people who angry about Obamacare are not very likely to invent for the guy who started it all.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM

not very likely to invent vote for the guy who started it all.

fixed

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:48 PM

…..do we have the strength to wean ourselves?

PappyD61 on June 29, 2012 at 10:46 PM

If my 20 y/o daughter, who is voting this year for the first time, is voting against anti-America..

She told me…

I have hope…

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:48 PM

This is awesome, I’m glad to hear that so many people are going to vote for Gary Johnson in ’12. He is the only candidate in the race that isn’t responsible for Obamacare so it makes sense, obviously.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Are you serious??

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Yes, and it’s dumber than a box of rocks, and so is any one else who listens to this tripe.

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM

And once liberals finish getting true “single payer”, the Superstate can create a database of all medical information, for efficiency’s sake…. the Patient Access Information Network.

So, as we all suspect, Obamacare really is just a precursor to an even more massive P.A.I.N. in the A.S.S.

malclave on June 29, 2012 at 10:45 PM

LOL.

This is the gang who thought Winning The Future! was a great slogan in the twitter age … Being beaten by totally inept retards – there’s really nothing worse than that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM

well guys I am past tired … spent 2 hours on the range today …
working on stance and trigger pull ….
gonna get a drink and go to bed ….
we I feeling like a couple of folks said ..
I am tired of politics … all we get is screwed ….
still gonna vote …if for no other reason then to
b*tch :D

conservative tarheel on June 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM

I don’t disagree with you but with at the stage we are at…

Romney is the one…

We must not let him drift….

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM

It’s not dumb to vote for Gary Johnson. It’s dumb to say it’s dumb to vote for Gary Johnson.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Elena Kagan, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, Justice Stephen Breyer and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg have struck a mighty blow.

The only way this can be a secret win for conservative values is if Kagan, Sotomayor, Breyer and Ginzburg are all morons, and I don’t think they are.

On the other hand if this is a liberal win, that just puts John Roberts in the company of David Hacket Souter and many other Republican appointments before him, who came down liberal when it mattered. I think we can safely say that that’s what happened.

David Blue on June 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

…if for no other reason then to
b*tch :D

conservative tarheel on June 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

You have earned that right..

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Yes, and it’s dumber than a box of rocks, and so is any one else who listens to this tripe.

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I hope that in November most Americans will vote for Gary Johnson and only the koolaid drinkers like you will vote for the two creeps that invented Obamacare, Obama and Romney. This is a fact, not a figure of speech. They did this to us! People who are angry about this ruling by a Bush appointee don’t want to vote for Obamney. If they don’t vote for Gary Johnson it will only be through sheer force of propaganda, is my guess. That’s the only way that the ruling class can convince the majority of people to vote against their own interests.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

The longer part of the quote – before the part you posted – is Henry quite adeptly explaining why continuing down the prescribed path they had been trying for so very long was utterly futile.

But yeah, let’s count on the proverbial “next election” to fix it… *this* time, for sure. Henry would no doubt agree.

Midas on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

And, let us not forget that at the time Patrick Henry spoke those words, he and his brethren did not have something so simple and easy and painless as a ballot box to oust a King. If we Americans don’t use that special weapon in November to oust our Boy King as well as the Kinglettes in the Senate, we deserve the chains and slavery of which Henry so eloquently spoke.

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Except of course the actual slaves. They didn’t even get paid. Fools and fools following fools blather. Having a three cornered hat and being a drama queen doesn’t make you a genius or some kind of savior. And posting freaky false bravado on some backwater blog doesn’t make you much of anything either.

Grab your fife and rag and pretend you are in fifth grade, leave the real probs to real people.

tommyhawk on June 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

He is the only candidate in the race that isn’t responsible for Obamacare so it makes sense, obviously.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

In a day of insanity and retarded, pointless comments, this might be the single stupidest thing I have heard, including Roberts’ opinion.

Jaibones on June 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Speak for yourself, are you either of the other two people above who made a commitment to freedom and liberty? No, you’re one of the guys that supports the inventor of Obamacare.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Please show me a comment of mine, just one, where I’ve been a rah rah Romney supporter.

I’ll wait. But I’ll be waiting a looooong time because it has never happened.

What I am is someone who is old enough to have lived through the Ross Perot fiasco.

I’m also adult enough to face the reality that when Mitt Romney is the only GOP candidate left-standing, it is time to accept it and move on from my disappointment of my preferred candidate not making the cut.

But you’re free to go on living in your Gary Johnson la la land if you want.

Just don’t be surprised when the grown-ups in the room tire of your too often repeated childish performances.

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 10:54 PM

We lose this battle, my employer goes Galt, and I go Jerrimiah Johnson. It’s not even by choice.

wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I know this much is true; I have had it with politics. I have been obsessed for twelve years now and this decision has killed my spirit.
I know for sure that I am taking a break from politics, daily. I might take a permanent leave.
I get the feeling that we are all screwed. Both sides are the same. Term limits must be given in order to get our views voiced and our desires developed into our laws. They all suck. All of them. I believe Reagan was the last of the special politicians who seriously cared for the people and their views.
It is over. Our country is American Idol.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I understand. I have followed about like I do now, time wise, the politics of the Nation. 1978 was the year for me. My best friend had never even considered any of it. Until midnight one evening somewhere on the road back from WI with me on the return trip. He curses me to this day for explaining it all to him and peeking his interests.

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Seriously, who is willing to take a vow with me tonight? Just one week. Do not watch the news. Do not check out Drudge, Hot Air, Twitchy, Newsbusters or Breitbart. Ignorance is bliss. There are double standards at play. The world is going to hell and there is nothing we can do about it. Just let go. Relax. Surrender to the Mayans.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Romney is the one…

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

In ’08 Obama was “the one”.

It’s hope-n-change all over again in ’12, this time with artificial R flavoring.

But while some people will drink the koolaid until the very end, most Americans should do the right thing and vote for Gary Johnson. He’s not my ideal, either, but he never would have invented Obamacare and the mandate.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

John Roberts has demonstrated true genius here.

With one stroke, he has guaranteed that his reputation will last as long as the United States of America – although, we must admit, the Republic’s lifespan has probably been considerably shortened …

But Roberts will be remembered. Chief Justice John Roberts David Brock, of the Supreme Court of the United States.

Way to go, John . . .

RedPepper on June 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 10:43 PM

why would you ask if you didnt agree w/ the op?? why stick your nose in if you dont agree? was it a lame attempt to score internet points? and now you get cutesty w/ your “must be a lib if you do that kinda thing” comment. if you dont agree w/ the op stay the f*ck out.

chasdal on June 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

It works with any definition of mole except the chemical one.

SparkPlug on June 29, 2012 at 9:52 PM

That would be down right scary if we had a chemical mole of Obama.

chemman on June 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:31 PM

You’re lines are so tired. Have you an original thought in that tiny little thing you call a head?

The reality is GOP types pushed mandates long before Obama or Romney.
Also, for and idiot like you to not understand the difference between implementing it at the state level v. the federal level only confirms what an obtuse or simply stupid arse you are.

CW on June 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I’ll vow not to check Newsbusters but that’s as far as I go

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

tommyhawk on June 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Do you believe 0bamessiah and His Leftist cohorts like being unable to reasonably deny that 0bamaCare’s mandate is a legally/officially a tax? :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I understand. I have followed about like I do now, time wise, the politics of the Nation. 1978 was the year for me. My best friend had never even considered any of it. Until midnight one evening somewhere on the road back from WI with me on the return trip. He curses me to this day for explaining it all to him and peeking his interests.

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Yep. I am just tired of being let down and angered. I remember my life pre-2000 and how it was just so much less anger and frustration. I have fought for twelve years and have lost many friends and girlfriends over my politics. Maybe this step is not for all, but I do believe I would be happier if I took up another passion other then politics. Perhaps bashing my forehead into a concrete wall.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:58 PM

It’s been fun. I’m glad to see Gary Johnson is getting some converts even if I’m not sure about the two above. I hope they’re at least thinking about it, I didn’t notice that they’ve corrected me but perhaps they will later. At any rate, I’m sure Gary is getting some new supporters this week, but I’ve got to head out. Have a good weekend everybody.

To people who are keeping an open mind about Gary Johnson, check out this video and please email it around to your friends and family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izCXJZAIXMI&list=PL7BE34898EFC5C04E&index=1&feature=plpp_video%3Ca%20href=

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:58 PM

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_CARE_REPEAL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-29-19-02-35

That’s the only way to prevent ObamaCare to take root and become another big Government program: Throw Barry out and have a senate majority. And if the legitimacy of the mandate is through taxation, repealing a tax is through the reconciliation process, which cannot be filibustered.

bayview on June 29, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I’ll vow not to check Newsbusters but that’s as far as I go

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Understood. I believe I have checked Drudge, Fox News and Hot Air every single day since 2004.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 10:43 PM

and why obfuscate in your last post? i asked if you bought into the op’s theory and you start throwing up your hands and going “whoa, dont drag me into this” well you pushed the button voluntarily so dont puss out. do you agree w/ the op? once again, if not shut the f*ck up and stay out. i dont have to rebut him point by point since he had no points, just a way out there theory of roberts playing nth dimension chess which he offered w/ no cites, links or evidence and you saw fit to jump in on his side. go away and bother someone else.

chasdal on June 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Romney, as governor of Massachusetts, didn’t invent ObamaCare while being Governor of a State..

States have the right to fu4k themselfs….

Can’t blame them.

But what Nancy and Obama did on the national stage is bullsh!t…..

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

He’s not my ideal, either, but he never would have invented Obamacare and the mandate.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

A point without a distinction. If he were elected in 2012 what could he realistically do?

chemman on June 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

why would you ask if you didnt agree w/ the op?? why stick your nose in if you dont agree? was it a lame attempt to score internet points? and now you get cutesty w/ your “must be a lib if you do that kinda thing” comment. if you dont agree w/ the op stay the f*ck out.

chasdal on June 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Why are you reacting personally to my impersonal request? Is that rational, mature behavior in your opinion? How old are you, 12? :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Do you know what that white stuff is in chicken shit?
CJ John Roberts.

Now, on to a more serious question. After we get Romney elected president and we take back the senate and strenghten the house, how do we/they go about impeaching Roberts and appoint someone else?

Mirimichi on June 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Any H/A

crew member,from…..West Virginia????

canopfor on June 29, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I’m about an hour from there, but in PA. Why?

Night Owl on June 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Is Porn a better alternative to politics? No, we get screwed with politics when we only self gratify with porn.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM

and why obfuscate in your last post? i asked if you bought into the op’s theory and you start throwing up your hands and going “whoa, dont drag me into this” well you pushed the button voluntarily so dont puss out. do you agree w/ the op? once again, if not shut the f*ck up and stay out. i dont have to rebut him point by point since he had no points, just a way out there theory of roberts playing nth dimension chess which he offered w/ no cites, links or evidence and you saw fit to jump in on his side. go away and bother someone else.

chasdal on June 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Asking you to explain yourself logically causes you this much emotional turmoil? Why do you believe that is?

Are you a Christian, by any chance?

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Yes, and it’s dumber than a box of rocks, and so is any one else who listens to this tripe.

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I hope that in November most Americans will vote for Gary Johnson and only the koolaid drinkers like you will vote for the two creeps that invented Obamacare, Obama and Romney. This is a fact, not a figure of speech. They did this to us! People who are angry about this ruling by a Bush appointee don’t want to vote for Obamney. If they don’t vote for Gary Johnson it will only be through sheer force of propaganda, is my guess. That’s the only way that the ruling class can convince the majority of people to vote against their own interests.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

I’m going to say this one last time and then you can have your BS Gary Johnson worship hour—in every thread— all you want. It still makes you a f’kin idiot.

I’ll tell you what FloatingRock, (and now Slade73), the day Gary Johnson has 4 million deposited into his account in a 24 hour period—because he said he will make ObamaCare invalid on day one, I’ll be the first in line to vote for him. Until then, quit blowing smoke of people’s @sses with your asinine hope and dreams for Gary—it’s just stupid pal. A vote for Johnson is a vote for OBAMA!

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM

After we get Romney elected president and we take back the senate and strenghten the house, how do we/they go about impeaching Roberts and appoint someone else?

Mirimichi on June 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

This is what I would like to know. My heart dropped when the rumors came out a year ago about JR retiring due to health concerns. Now, I could not care less.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

and you keep dancing around, you insisted i provide bulleted rebuttals but you change the subject constantly. share your opinions on why roberts did what he did, stop the slight of hand,

chasdal on June 29, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Yep. I am just tired of being let down and angered. I remember my life pre-2000 and how it was just so much less anger and frustration. I have fought for twelve years and have lost many friends and girlfriends over my politics. Maybe this step is not for all, but I do believe I would be happier if I took up another passion other then politics. Perhaps bashing my forehead into a concrete wall.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:58 PM

It is important to always remember that we are dealing with people that we really do not know. And I see people here always willing to throw in with the flavor of the day. None of them are to be trusted. They are politicians which comes from the root words, poly and tick.
one means many
and the other is a blood sucking parasite

Regardless of which team they belong to.

Rio Linda Refugee on June 29, 2012 at 11:04 PM

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:58 PM

It proves not to be good on a majority folks. You are certainly not alone.

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Please, please stop posting pictures of this smug guy smiling. As if we don’t already have enough trouble with smug politicians.

Hening on June 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM

In ’08 Obama was “the one”.

It’s hope-n-change all over again in ’12, this time with artificial R flavoring.

But while some people will drink the koolaid until the very end, most Americans should do the right thing and vote for Gary Johnson. He’s not my ideal, either, but he never would have invented Obamacare and the mandate.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Gary Johnson…ask your friends who is Gary….

He isn’t prime time….

This is just like American Adil…

I hate it…but it is reality..

This go around…
We vote for the one that makes it in the news..

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Idol??????

What is it with me and these vowels.?

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I’m glad to hear that so many people are going to vote for Gary Johnson in ’12. He is the only candidate in the race that isn’t responsible for Obamacare so it makes sense, obviously.

FloatingRock on June 29, 2012

…how about I post this a couple of times on every thread from now until November…and you just take a nap? …a long one!

KOOLAID2 on June 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM

It’s been fun. I’m glad to see Gary Johnson is getting some converts even if I’m not sure about the two above.

Which Diff’rent Strokes kid was that – the dead one or the one in prison?

Chuck Schick on June 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Flora Duh on June 29, 2012 at 10:54 PM

You know what turds are called in Texas? Yep, floating rocks.

TXUS on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

A vote for Johnson is a vote for OBAMA!

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM

no it’s not. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

It proves not to be good on a majority folks. You are certainly not alone.

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Thanks. I will say you are a great perk to this site. Hope you live long. :)

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Seriously, who is willing to take a vow with me tonight? Just one week. Do not watch the news. Do not check out Drudge, Hot Air, Twitchy, Newsbusters or Breitbart. Ignorance is bliss. There are double standards at play. The world is going to hell and there is nothing we can do about it. Just let go. Relax. Surrender to the Mayans.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

It’s probably good to take a small break, but give up?

To the liberals?????

Not a chance.

kim roy on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

May I ask which HotAir/TownHall genius thought it would be a good idea to put an auto-refresh on a site that typically has pages with 1,500-word posts and 100 comments?

I can’t decide if it’s more stupid than obnoxious, or more obnoxious than stupid.

greggriffith on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Yea, I think I’m gonna spend more time at the range too. It doesn’t seem like a bad idea. Got a new eotech holographic weapon site for the AR. It’s awesome. I could use a few more 1,000 round bricks, too.

wolly4321 on June 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

I’m disappointed and still a bit angry but it’s over- they’ve ruled.

Now we find out how much this country means to all of us. Do we whine or do we fight on?

As Romney said – to get rid of ObamaCare – we have to get rid of Obama.

It’s as simple as that.

gophergirl on June 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

no it’s not. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Who is Johnson??

This is reality…

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on June 29, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Great point. One thing is for sure, I will miss my HA family if I enforce my own leave of absence.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

May I ask which HotAir/TownHall genius thought it would be a good idea to put an auto-refresh on a site that typically has pages with 1,500-word posts and 100 comments?

I can’t decide if it’s more stupid than obnoxious, or more obnoxious than stupid.

greggriffith on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Who reads the posts?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 29, 2012 at 11:10 PM

It’s probably good to take a small break, but give up?

To the liberals?????

Not a chance.

kim roy on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Yeah, you are right, of course. I think I will take a couple of months vacation from politics and then come back for the election.

I loathe liberals and Obama. I hope he fails.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Is Porn a better alternative to politics? No, we get screwed with politics when we only self gratify with porn.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM

porn will screw you if you’re not careful

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Except of course the actual slaves. They didn’t even get paid.

tommyhawk on June 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Except the slaves took slavery over death. And you see what that got them. An infinity of victimhood, dependence, and failure.

Retard.

jaime on June 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

A vote for Johnson is a vote for OBAMA!

Rovin on June 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM

..he knows that…but continuously keeps farting anyway!

KOOLAID2 on June 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Who is Johnson??

This is reality…

Electrongod on June 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

He’s that dude that’s on Red Eye sometimes.

My point is, it’s not dumb to vote for anybody unless you’re voting for Obama.

Slade73 on June 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Seriously, who is willing to take a vow with me tonight? Just one week. Do not watch the news. Do not check out Drudge, Hot Air, Twitchy, Newsbusters or Breitbart. Ignorance is bliss. There are double standards at play. The world is going to hell and there is nothing we can do about it. Just let go. Relax. Surrender to the Mayans.

the new aesthetic on June 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

It’s probably good to take a small break, but give up?

To the liberals?????

Not a chance.

kim roy on June 29, 2012 at 11:08 PM

..I’d probably turn into a greasy spot.

The War Planner on June 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM

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