Quotes of the day

posted at 10:48 pm on June 28, 2012 by Allahpundit

Conservatives won a substantial victory Thursday. The physics of American politics — actions provoking reactions — continues to move the crucial debate, about the nature of the American regime, toward conservatism. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. has served this cause…

This victory will help revive a venerable tradition of America’s political culture, that of viewing congressional actions with a skeptical constitutional squint, searching for congruence with the Constitution’s architecture of enumerated powers. By rejecting the Commerce Clause rationale, Thursday’s decision reaffirmed the Constitution’s foundational premise: Enumerated powers are necessarily limited because, as Chief Justice John Marshall said, “the enumeration presupposes something not enumerated.”

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Reading over the Roberts opinion, the opinion strikes me as quite conservative. The opinion starts from the premise that the federal government is a government of limited powers. The opinion goes on to reject the federal government’s power to regulate inactivity under the Commerce Clause. It then goes on to reject a broad reading of the Necessary and Proper Clause. The opinion also imposes new limits on the federal government’s ability to force the states to adopt federal programs, striking down the condition that Congress can withdraw all medicaid funding if a state refuses to go along with the medicaid expansion.

These sections of the opinion are all about about the need to narrow Congress’s power, and they impose new limits on federal power that have not been seen before. They nicely match what a lot of conservatives have been saying about the Affordable Care Act. Roberts even comes very close to using the broccoli hypothetical — he ends up using a generic example of “vegetables” instead of broccoli, but he’s singing the conservative tune on these parts of the opinion…

The result is an opinion that happens to please today’s liberals and annoy today’s conservatives, because the liberal law that was passed and that conservatives hate remains on the books. But the key opinion that leads to that result is not a liberal opinion; rather, it strikes me as a largely conservative opinion that just happens to get to a liberal result.

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The business about “new and potentially vast” authority is a fig leaf. This is a substantial rollback of Congress’ regulatory powers, and the chief justice knows it. It is what Roberts has been pursuing ever since he signed up with the Federalist Society. In 2005, Sen. Barack Obama spoke in opposition to Roberts’ nomination, saying he did not trust his political philosophy on tough questions such as “whether the Commerce Clause empowers Congress to speak on those issues of broad national concern that may be only tangentially related to what is easily defined as interstate commerce.” Today, Roberts did what Obama predicted he would do.

Roberts’ genius was in pushing this health care decision through without attaching it to the coattails of an ugly, narrow partisan victory. Obama wins on policy, this time. And Roberts rewrites Congress’ power to regulate, opening the door for countless future challenges. In the long term, supporters of curtailing the federal government should be glad to have made that trade.

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If you were above all interested in the bill being struck down, it was mostly a loss. On the other hand, if you were more concerned about the qualitative expansion in the power of the government that the bill represented, it was definitely a win

Conservatives have a shot at getting the best of both worlds: having the Supreme Court use Obamacare as a way to limit federal power while also using the democratic process to overturn the law. I didn’t think we could have one without the other, but now maybe we can.

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After reading and stewing about it all day, I’ve concluded that what Roberts has done is fundamentally shift the constitutional debate away from the liberal assumption since the Woodrow Wilson era that an Imperial Presidency and supine Congress can pretty much do as they please so long as it’s covered by at least one of those fig leaves known as the General Welfare, Necessary and Proper or Commerce clauses of the Constitution…

Further, the holding that Obamacare passes constitutional muster if it is understood as a tax may be an even more significant victory for conservatives. To understand why, which of these two words sounds more positive? “Benefit” or “tax”? Who is more likely to prevail – the advocate offering a positive benefit without having to explain in any detail how it will be funded, or the advocate who right out front says your taxes have to go up but, trust me, you’re going to love this new benefit?

Roberts has forced the entitlement state to drop its pretense that government entitlements are intrinsically beneficial and concede the brutal reality that they are in fact the application of force to take from some to give to others.

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By voting with the liberals to uphold the Affordable Care Act, Roberts has put himself above partisan reproach. No one can accuse Roberts of ruling as a movement conservative. He’s made himself bulletproof against insinuations that he’s animated by party allegiances.

But by voting with the conservatives on every major legal question before the court, he nevertheless furthered the major conservative projects before the court — namely, imposing limits on federal power. And by securing his own reputation for impartiality, he made his own advocacy in those areas much more effective. If, in the future, Roberts leads the court in cases that more radically constrain the federal government’s power to regulate interstate commerce, today’s decision will help insulate him from criticism. And he did it while rendering a decision that Democrats are applauding.

“For those of us who oppose the Affordable Care Act as a policy matter, this is a bad day,” Barnett said. “For those of us in this fight to preserve the limits of constitutional government, this is not a bad day.”

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[T]he decision totally removes a growing left-wing talking point that suddenly they must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue is gone…

With John Roberts’ opinion, the repeal fight takes place on GOP turf, not Democrat turf. The all or nothing repeal has always been better ground for the GOP and now John Roberts has forced everyone onto that ground. Oh, and as I mentioned earlier, because John Roberts concluded it was a tax, the Democrats cannot filibuster its repeal because of the same reconciliation procedure the Democrats used to pass it.

It seems very, very clear to me in reviewing John Roberts’ decision that he is playing a much longer game than us and can afford to with a life tenure. And he probably just handed Mitt Romney the White House.

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The bitter part of this decision will now be addressed by the American people at the polls, where they can reject the imposition of this new judicially created “tax.” Indeed, the next president can even waive its collection!

From a constitutional perspective, however, we have not only dodged a big bullet; the national furor over the constitutionality of the individual insurance mandate may signal a turning point in constitutional law—one driven not by the courts but by the people themselves. We have seen such turning points before.


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Stop trying to pinch my governor! Do you know how hard it is to get a decent governor in Louisiana? A recent one went to federal prison — and you saw Katrina — and the others have contributed to our “colorful” history in their own way. Believe me — it isn’t so “colorful” when you live with it.

Axe on June 29, 2012 at 10:27 AM

LOL!

Sorry, duty calls!

Originally I was for Ryan to make it about entitlement reform and the economy but Jindal is looking very good lately.

LevinFan on June 29, 2012 at 10:36 AM

revisiting this, if the RNC is only going to do what they are apparently going to do (the new thread) — then I agree with you. :) But it’s a waste. A dumb “broken promise” ad, when you have a sprawling, fact filled flustercluck that you could bang, bang, bang through. It’s sloppy, lazy, dumb — ridiculous.

Axe on June 29, 2012 at 10:13 AM

That’s my reaction, too. Criticizing Obamacare because it’s a “tax even though Obama promised no new taxes” looks like quibbling over language. It looks like sophistry rather than substance. Ads like this appeal only to die-hard Republicans who become emotional over certain words like “taxes,” “Communist,” “freedom,” and “democracy.” The heart of the problem is Obamacare itself–whatever word is used to describe its funding.

Burke on June 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM

The path forward?

This is a Nation BORN in tax protests.

No taxation without representation, remember that?

Have our representatives actually served us in their work?

Since this is a tax and since it opens the door to much, much more than just Obamacare, the first course is to recognize our roots as a Nation. Oppose such taxation on civil grounds, even with the century of Progressivism that is prepared that is nothing compared to centuries of Monarchy that had to be opposed at the birth of this Nation.

From there the wisdom of our fellow man shall help us: civil tax protest is a start, so is getting the law repealed, so is getting an Amendment process started to bolster the forgotten IX and X to demand that they be considered and addressed at each and every decision the SCOTUS makes, so is getting a limited term for mere laws and rules that are not directly tied to the Constitution and for all others to have regular review and re-passage…

These are all things I have been talking about for so long its hard to remember when I started.

Civil change means, like Christians, you will endure hardship and yet your cause will be just to stop the usurpation of the powers granted to government to put our individual liberties at peril.

Our Founders did not have the Internet, they did not have the ability to disseminate their message widely and to all corners of the Nation in seconds… they had a firm reliance on Divine Providence, entrusted their lives, their fortunes and their Sacred Honor to this project so that YOU can gain the blessings of liberty. For them it was their head, their lives if they lost.

For our children it is enslavement by tyrannical government and the light of human liberty dimming across all mankind for centuries if not forevermore.

Be civil, be smiling, point out the absurdities of the Progressive language and the Newspeak that is now turning into Duckspeak where any word means exactly what those in power want it to mean at any given moment.

This isn’t about Parties: they are a distraction and a mere tool in this fight.

I prepare for the worst so I can support what is coming to struggle for the best. That means spreading the good word of human liberty, the emancipation of man from authority that seeks to yoke him to an elite and put the authority under notice that governments are instituted amongst men. I prefer changing the current system by revitalizing it, by removing the dead wood of authoritarian outlooks and agencies, by shearing away all the ‘help’ that makes our economic system worse in every part of every cycle of up and down until it is crushed by debt and the people enslaved to goodies that will end very soon with the imprisonment of us all to it, and our children and grand-children to never know the blessings of liberty.

A song in your heart, a smile on your face, and don’t let them get you down with the pain you will receive for the message is good and pure: that man can rule himself better than any government can dictate it to him.

You are now liberated to do that, and always have been if you but realize that these things are not imposed upon you unless you suffer them in silence, do not speak up about them, do not call them out for what they are and do not speak of the hypocrisy of a system that is supposed to ‘help’ being, instead a necessary evil that is turned pure evil in that ‘help’.

Change starts in your heart, in your head, in your soul.

That day of liberty has always been with us.

In America it STARTS with taxes.

It ends in government fearing your liberty and sweating to protect it at every turn under your watchful eye, and choke chain upon it so the guard dog does not turn you.

It is now about TAXES.

That is where America STARTS in its change.

Get it?

ajacksonian on June 29, 2012 at 10:47 AM

That’s my reaction, too. Criticizing Obamacare because it’s a “tax even though Obama promised no new taxes” looks like quibbling over language. It looks like sophistry rather than substance. Ads like this appeal only to die-hard Republicans who become emotional over certain words like “taxes,”…

Burke on June 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Read my lips.

Incumbent voted out.

MadisonConservative on June 29, 2012 at 10:49 AM

if you didnt back scalia and thomas against the reignquist court,then your most likely like elrushbo, ”a fraud ”.

svs22422 on June 29, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Everytime I see Roberts face I want to punch him in the nose. I am not buying this whole Roberts is a jedi master because he sided with the libbies so he cannot be called partisan. What the heck is the point of having a majority in the SC if you are not allowed to win? He knew full well that law was crap the government was not arguing it was a tax. He could have struck the whole thing down and should have. We don’t know for sure who will win in November and if O wins we are completely screwed because Roberts wasted our majority because he was a coward and didn’t want the libbies in the press to say mean things about him.

magicbeans on June 29, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Everytime I see Roberts face I want to punch him in the nose. I am not buying this whole Roberts is a jedi master because he sided with the libbies so he cannot be called partisan. What the heck is the point of having a majority in the SC if you are not allowed to win? He knew full well that law was crap the government was not arguing it was a tax. He could have struck the whole thing down and should have. We don’t know for sure who will win in November and if O wins we are completely screwed because Roberts wasted our majority because he was a coward and didn’t want the libbies in the press to say mean things about him.

magicbeans on June 29, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Well said, roberts deserves to be hated more than maobama!

LevinFan on June 29, 2012 at 10:59 AM

After sleeping on in, I’m even more convinced Roberts’ move was a huge gambit. It’s way to early to tell, whether this sacrifice will improve us positionally, or not.

I didn’t like the move, but I get it. A little voice inside is telling me it may turn out to be a brilliant move.

Folks need to understand that the ultimate goal wasn’t just 0bamacare. The real battle is over limited government, enumerated powers, federalism, Madisonian Constitutionalism. After a century of Wilsonianism and FDRism, we have a new battle front opening up in 2012. I encourage all to look at the big picture and gird your loins.

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 11:14 AM

It’s way totoo early

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Fixed it. I hate that.

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 11:18 AM

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Very nice post!..:)

Dire Straits on June 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM

One piece of advice, worth exactly what you’re paying me for it. Don’t get weak kneed. Buck up, get off the blog, go out and get busy talking to folks. You’ll soon see a lot of folks are tired of 0. Keep after the undecideds you meet. Explain your position. It may just surprise you how receptive people still are to good ideas. Romney will be the next President. The energy is there and will only build. The folks supposably on our side who threaten to sit out are the fringe and a very insignificant minority. Remember self interest and protection of family still rule the day. Have a lovely Holiday!

Bmore on June 29, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Read my lips.

Incumbent voted out.

MadisonConservative on June 29, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I like your spirit, Madison!

And I hope you’re right.

Burke on June 29, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Maybe Michael Savage is right – it’s the meds.
It may sound a little far-fetched, but it’s not beyond the realm of possibilities.
Dain bramage can be seereus.

It’s also possible that Roberts is a stealth Leftist, much like the infamous hermit David Souter who was also nominated by a Bush.
Combine THIS ruling along with Roberts siding against Arizona this week and he’s proven himself not only unreliable, but NO friend of the Constitution or the rights of AMERICANS.

This week will go down in history as containing some of the most flawed Court decisions – completely antithetical to THE Constitution. And here we assumed that Leftists were to blame.
tut tut …
THANKS G(H)W Bush, you’ve both screwed us.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on June 29, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Read my lips.

Incumbent voted out.

MadisonConservative on June 29, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Your lips will be enshrined.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Just wanted to thank VorDaj for the following comment:

Andrew C. McCarthy (Former Federal prosecutor and author of “How the Obama Administration has Politicized Justice”): “Led by Chief Justice John Roberts, the Supreme Court decided that Americans have no right to due process. Indeed, the Court not only upheld a fraud perpetrated on the public — it became a willing participant. … … Chief Justice Roberts claims that Congress simply used the wrong label. That is legerdemain.”

http://www.pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2012/06/28/obamacare-ruling-pure-fraud-and-no-due-process/?singlepage=true

VorDaj on June 29, 2012 at 5:52 AM

I just finished reading the article by McCarthy. His explanation of what happened on Roberts’ ruling was easily understood even by me:-) I did have to look up the meaning of the word “legerdemain”.
Great article.

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM

I’m even more convinced Roberts’ move was a huge gambit. It’s way to early to tell, whether this sacrifice will improve us positionally, or not.

I didn’t like the move, but I get it. A little voice inside is telling me it may turn out to be a brilliant move.

Yesterday, I was this.

Everytime I see Robert’s face I want to punch him in the nose. I am not buying this whole Roberts is a Jedi Master because he sided with the libbies so he cannot be called partisan.

Today, I’m this.

It’s not Robert’s job to make brilliant moves. It’s his job to uphold the constitution. Until you can convince me that it’s okay to re-frame legislation to be something it clearly was not meant to be, I’m 100% disgusted.

So yeah, a punch in the face. Twice.

LetsBfrank on June 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Rush just said after having time to review this SCOTUS ruling, he is sick, literally sick. A Fraud has been committed against the American people. We were defrauded in front of our eyes.

Tune in, sounds like it will be informative.

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:09 PM

The guy who wrote this music was one of the most despicable human beings you can imagine. The music is sublime.

de rigueur on June 29, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Yes, Wagner is in there

Ein Musiker will ein Zimmer mieten, aber die Vermieterin lehnte bei der Berufsangabe gleich ab:
“Ich hatte schon einmal einen wie Sie. Zuerst war er sehr beethövlich, doch schnell wurde er mozärtlich zu meiner Tochter, brachte ihr einen Strauss mit, nahm sie beim Händel und führte sie mit Liszt über den Bach in die Haydn. Dann wurde er Reger und sagte: ‘Frisch gewagnert ist halb gewonnen.’ Er konnte sich nicht brahmsen und jetzt haben wir einen Mendelssohn und wissen nicht wo Hindemith.”

——————

A musician wants to rent a room but the owner lady declines him immediately, saying “I already had one like you. First he was very polite (beethhoevlich, from Beethoven – hoeflich means polite), but rapidly he turned tender (mozaertlich, from Mozart – zaertlich means tender) with my daughter, brought her a bouquet (Strauss = bouquet) of flowers, took her by the hand (Haendel = diminutive of hand – Hand = hand), and took her cunningly (Liszt – List – cunning) over the brook (Bach = brook, water, small river), into the heaths (Haydn = Heiden – heaths, open lands). Then he turned more active (Reger, musician Max Reger = adj. means active) and said “freshly wagered (geWagnert – Waage = scale) is half won”. He could not stop himself (Brahms – braemsen – to stop) and now we have a little Mendelssohn (Sohn = son) and we don’t know what to do with him (Hindemith, Paul = hin damit = where to).

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 12:12 PM

LetsBfrank on June 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Seems to me that our conservatives are acting like liberals. They were expecting a “savior” in government to same them from seeds they’ve sewn. It isn’t Roberts’ job to save us from ourselves.

We let 0bama/Pelosi/Reid get elected.

We let the RINOS run the party for half a century. NEWSFLASH: We have another one as our nominee right now. W’s big government compassionate conservatism gave us 0bama, the Democrat House, and a veto-proof Senate.

Joust with the windmills all you want. But, 0bamacare ain’t Robert’s fault, it’s ours. You might want to direct your punches to a more appropriate target.

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM | Delete

Just finished reading it myself.

Thank you, indeed, VorDaj. Great article and sadly true.

Now, to the barricades!

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Read my lips.

Incumbent voted out.

MadisonConservative on June 29, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Your lips will be enshrined.

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 12:01 PM

…I will pilgrimage to the enshrinment!

KOOLAID2 on June 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Joust with the windmills all you want. But, 0bamacare ain’t Robert’s fault, it’s ours. You might want to direct your punches to a more appropriate target.

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM

TH, while true that we have a responsibility to elect decent, law-abiding reps and keep the opposite out of power, it doesn’t negate the courts obligations. You’re remiss if you we should not be up in arms about SCOTUS’ ruling. Roberts screwed the people. Period.

I don’t plan to waste too much time on being peeved at him. I do plan to take action to ensure that we the people are appropriately represented in our government. And I will most definitely continue to hold the Supreme Court accountable.

LetsBfrank on June 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM

If this is such a terrible decision, why hasn’t Alito gone ballistic? He hardly seems one to be a shrinking violet, but he seems to be curiously quiet on what to him is a decision that must stink to high heaven (which it does). Granted, there is a LOT in this ruling to like (something like “Other than that, how did you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln”), but on the main part it still feels like a total strikeout
One other point – having Roberts call the mandate a tax was just calling a spade a spade. This was a tax bill from the very beginning. And does this ruling necessarily preclude suing over whether this specific tax is unconstitutional, or does the suit have to wait until the first bill comes in?

jayhawkingeorgia on June 29, 2012 at 12:34 PM

It isn’t Roberts’ job to save us from ourselves.
TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM

The Supreme Court have never been asked to “save us from ourselves”.
It exists to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. Roberts did not do that. What he did do was legislate from the Bench.
That is the job of the Congress of the United States, not the Supreme Court.

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM

ok, the crack high would have been great if they just sent it back to the congress to be reworked, like the rules say,but that would have just kicked the can and the argument back into the stupidcrats hands and their msm stooges to label the rightwing “haters” and the like. they would have the upper hand 4 months before the election. the dummocrats will wake up soon and figure out they are certain losers in november, as the “biggest tax hike in world history” can’t be defended. this is akin to the sadness felt when mccain lost, but the fact is, without obama, the people would have quietly gone about their daily existence right up until they marched us into the ovens. the liberty and freedom that has been awakened in the american people because of the progressives march to a communist peoples paradise has been astounding. look around you and see the myriad of different people, from 8 to 80 that have opened their eyes to the attempted bloodless coup being orchestrated by the left. the power is in YOUR hands now, at the ballot box, ask detailed questions of the candidates and stop electing professional politicians.

tm11999 on June 29, 2012 at 12:43 PM

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM

I thought from day 1 that 0bama was lying and this was a tax. I still think the fine, the mandate, the penalty, likely is and always was a “tax”.

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 12:45 PM

jayhawkingeorgia on June 29, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I’ve heard that it’s informative and enlightening to read the 4 Justices’ dissents.

And no, the bill that was signed into law was a Mandate with a Penalty; not a tax. They are not the same. Roberts and Roberts alone ruled that the Mandate under the Commerce Clause was Unconstitutional, but it was really a tax and that was ok.

McCarthy explained it very well. See my post with the link to his article.

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:48 PM

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Excellent link. Succinct analysis by Mr. McCarthy.

LetsBfrank on June 29, 2012 at 12:54 PM

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM

I thought from day 1 that 0bama was lying and this was a tax. I still think the fine, the mandate, the penalty, likely is and always was a “tax”.

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 12:45 PM

I understand what you are saying. However, it’s not for us to “think” or “assume” anything AFTER a bill has been signed into law. It is a legal document. Roberts or any Justice of the Supreme Court have no authority to change that document. That is the job of the Congress to re-write it, not anyone else. Either a Contract or a Law is upheld or revoked as what is contained therein or if not, then what is it worth if any Court can change it at will?

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Now, to the barricades!

Schadenfreude on June 29, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Yes, indeed. Don’t forget your hardhat:-)

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM

That is the job of the Congress to re-write it, not anyone else. Either a Contract or a Law is upheld or revoked as what is contained therein or if not, then what is it worth if any Court can change it at will?

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Perhaps our disagreement is merely one of semantics. I don’t believe the Court “re-wrote” 0-care. In fact, I don’t think they changed it one whit.

I think Roberts merely said that this was sold to the American people as a fraud. I think he decided that 0 simply lied. It was a tax all along.

I swear I remember El Rusbo and others proclaiming 0 was lying, after the Stephanopoulos interview… then, conservatives swore it was a tax.

Look, I’m as disappointed in Roberts as anyone. But, he may be right.

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

I don’t pretend to know what motivated Roberts. I wish his decision had been different, because defeating Obamacare by whatever means is essential if we are to remain a free country.

I always felt, however, that Obamacare being upheld would give Republicans the best shot at the ballot box. So Roberts probably did more good by reaching a bad decision than he would have be reaching a better one. In that sense, I think he may be more Jedi than we know. “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.”

FogDog on June 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

We’ll have to agree to disagree:-)

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 1:12 PM

ajacksonian on June 29, 2012 at 10:47 AM
This is why you are one of my favorite posters at HA. I wish Ed or Allah would ask you to be in the Green Room.

txmomof6 on June 29, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Doesn’t the photo of Roberts remind you of Lloyd Braun, the guy who Frank Constanza hired to sell computers? And remember he turned out to be off his rocker while pretending to be the ideal salesman…

Pest on June 29, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Roberts decision strikes me as quite traitorous. The coward was legislating from the bench. Maybe he’ll have another seizure while vactioning in Malta.

jqc1970 on June 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM

ajacksonian on June 29, 2012 at 10:47 AM
This is why you are one of my favorite posters at HA. I wish Ed or Allah would ask you to be in the Green Room.

txmomof6 on June 29, 2012 at 1:17 PM

I agree. I usually copy and paste his comments and read them more thoroughly later:-) Good reasoning!! Oh yes, the Green Room!!

bluefox on June 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Perhaps our disagreement is merely one of semantics. I don’t believe the Court “re-wrote” 0-care. In fact, I don’t think they changed it one whit.

I think Roberts merely said that this was sold to the American people as a fraud. I think he decided that 0 simply lied. It was a tax all along.

I swear I remember El Rusbo and others proclaiming 0 was lying, after the Stephanopoulos interview… then, conservatives swore it was a tax.

Look, I’m as disappointed in Roberts as anyone. But, he may be right.

TitularHead on June 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Since even someone like Stephanopoulos understood that it was a tax, what could possibly be wrong about Roberts pinning that tail on 0bamessiah’s butt? Does anyone here believe that made 0bamessiah happy?

Look at how the Dems are already running away from what Roberts said – who here is willing to let them do so without reminding them constantly?

Everyone who’s upset by the decision to should take the following to heart:

Morning Axe
hmmmm, the posture to take is, beat these progs into the ground, then beat them some more for fun…..I ,like txmomof6, am ready for battle……YOU?????????……;)

angrymike on June 29, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Bizarro No. 1 on June 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM

libfreeordie on June 29, 2012 at 8:02 AM

No idiot. Read much? What I said is that the GOP is not the greedy slaves of big business that you had tried to paint them as being. In short, the pathetic canard was yours and I shot it down.

MJBrutus on June 29, 2012 at 5:43 PM

That is where America STARTS in its change.
Get it?
ajacksonian
 on June 29, 2012 at 10:47 AM

been waiting for you to show up. Well said!!!

This battle ain’t about parties it’s about who is the master and who are the servants. Any Republican that even marginally thinks that by “serving” they get to tell us how to live our lives is unfit to polish my jackboots. The govt bureaucracy are the ones that need to feel and fear my boot on their throats and not the other way around as they have been getting away with it for decades.

AH_C on June 29, 2012 at 5:52 PM

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