Open thread: Mandate-mas III, the Finale; Update: Stolen Valor Act struck down; Update: CNN says mandate struck down; Update: AP reports that mandate upheld; Update: Confirmed upheld, 5-4; Update: Kennedy wanted to strike entire law

posted at 8:41 am on June 28, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Why not get this party started early?  The decision won’t get announced until 10 am ET, about the same time that the House will come to order this morning to consider whether to hold the Attorney General in contempt over his refusal to abide by a subpoena from the Oversight Committee.  Take your pick of historic events, in other words, and try to predict which will be more memorable in the end.  John Podhoretz had a thought about that last night on Twitter:

So what’s the skinny on the decision?  Last night, Intrade had 72.8% betting that the individual mandate was a goner:

With the Supreme Court set to make its ruling on Obamacare on Thursday, the prediction market on Intrade has placed its bet, reporting there is a high probability that the individual mandate will be struck down.

As of Wednesday night, “the world’s leading prediction market” reports there is a 72.8 percent chance the individual mandate will be ruled unconstitutional — a ruling that would deliver a devastating blow to the Obama administration.

If I was a betting man, I’d probably go the same way.  I think there’s still a decent chance that the court might uphold it, but a slightly better chance that the whole thing will get tossed, more out of convenience than anything else, but the mandate will still be the key.

Of course, if that happens, be prepared for a full-court meltdown among the Left, where the argument has already arisen that the Roberts Court is the Most Activististist Court Evah, with Jeffrey Toobin and (Politico’s) Roger Simon leading the way.  Gabriel Malor demolished this argument on Twitter yesterday, and he compiled his rebuttal into a blog post this morning:

Here’s the data on the first five years of the Roberts Court (gleaned from this NYTimes infographic):

(1) The Warren, Burger, and Rehnquist Courts overturned precedent decisions at an average rate of 2.7, 2.8 and 2.4 per term, respectively. By contrast, the Roberts Court overturned precedent only at an average rate of 1.6 per term.(2) The Warren, Burger, and Rehnquist Courts overturned laws at an average rate of 7.9, 12.5, and 6.2 laws per term. By contrast, the Roberts Court struck down laws only 3 laws per term.

Just three laws per term! Far, far from being “eager” to overturn legislatures, as hack Toobin dribbled, and obviously, indisputably playing no unusual role in “second-guessing laws,” as Fallows alarmingly squeaked, the Roberts Court has been a model of restraint. Restraint is, naturally, one of Chief Justice Roberts’ well-known characteristics and it was remarked upon during his confirmation hearings. One could even creditably call the Roberts Court the most restrained, incrementalist Court of the modern era. (I assure you, these numbers have not changed appreciably in the past two years.)

Again, that assumes that the Roberts Court overturns ObamaCare, in whole or in part.  Will the Right melt down if they don’t?  Er …

Beginning at 8:45 am ET, a few minutes earlier than usual, SCOTUSBlog will start its live blogging at this link, which is where most of us will find out what happened.  I’ll be updating this post as we go along, so check back here frequently.

Update: Don’t forget that there are two other cases on the docket that will get decided today, one of which is the Stolen Valor case.  Can Congress make it a crime to lie about military service, or does the First Amendment cover that as protected speech?  We will soon find out.

Update II: Yes, the circus has arrived.  Jeff Quinton posted this picture of Belly Dancers for Single Payer on his Twitter feed:

Because nothing says, “Take me seriously on health care” like belly dancing.

Update: Not going to number updates here.  Stolen Valor act struck down as unconstitutional 6-3, with Kennedy writing for majority.  Congress may be able to rewrite it, though, according to SCOTUSblog’s interpretation of decision.  Here’s the opinion.

Update: Next case, First American, was dismissed.

Update: CNN reports mandate struck down …  developing …

Update: AP reports mandate upheld as a tax, but clearly there is a lot of confusion on this point.

Update: SCOTUSblog reports that Roberts says mandate is constitutional.

Update: Yup, the court upheld the mandate as a tax, not as part of a Commerce Clause jurisdiction.  They narrowed the Medicaid expansion, but it looks like the bill will survive mainly intact.  CNN may be the biggest loser today.

Update: On Twitter, astonishment from conservatives that Kennedy voted to kill the mandate and Roberts voted to uphold it.  I tweeted this in response:

It helps to laugh a little, people.

Update: Kennedy wanted to strike the entire act, according to SCOTUSBlog: “In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety.”


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Pelosium Speaks!

Rep. Nancy Pelosi, speaking on health care law, says

Sen. Ted Kennedy’s dream has become reality, says he can now rest in peace

- broadcast

Submitted 2 mins ago by editor

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Somebody asked a question about whether you can be criminally prosecuted for not paying the “mandate tax” as with tax evasion. According to the opinion, and evidently, the law, you can’t.

“The Act, however, bars the IRS from using several of its normal enforcement tools, such as criminal prosecutions and levies. §5000A(g)(2). And some individuals who are subject to the mandate are nonetheless exempt from the penalty—for example, those with income below a certainthreshold”

dgarone on June 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Thank You Edward Kennedy! Your legacy has survived the brutal attacks from the right.

Thank you Roberts, for ruling on the law, not by what the right wanted you to do.

Thank you Obama, for working for the American people, and making sure they do get the health care services they need, regardless of their pay scale.

Thank you America, democracy and the rule of law lives!

damian1967 on June 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Oh and for all of you down in the dumps over this. Try this. Send a box of love to one of our Military personnel. Here is an address for one of HA’s own.

G Moyes
4th ID – 4BSTB – S2
FOB Mehtar Lam
APO AE 09310

Trust me, it will brighten everyones day. ; )

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Excellent thought Mr. B.

lynncgb on June 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM

I am still confused as to how SCOTUS can declare, and uphold, the mandate as a TAX, when the legislation DOES NOT call it a TAX. The Supreme Court does not have the power to write legislation, nor can it rewrite legislation, SO, how can SCOTUS get away with re-writing this bill so that they can uphold it?

Am I missing something? Can anyone explain this?

This was the government’s fallback position during oral arguments. All while O was proclaiming it not to be a tax, his administration was directing its lawyers to argue it as such in front of the Justices, which they did.

It’s not a good explanation, but there you go.

mrsknightley on June 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM

“Without a doubt! Conservatives are reeling or in complete denial”

OK, then, you explain to me how writing a cheque payable to Blue Cross/Blue Shield is the same as writing one to the United States Department of the Treasury?

Is Blue Cross/Blue Shield part of the Federal government?

Are the premiums going into the US Treasury, where Federal taxes go, or into the corporate bank account of Blue Cross/Blue Shield?

Answer those questions for me, sufficiently, and I’ll will stand down and accept the new reality that corporations are not only people, but the government can not force me to pay “taxes” to them.

Resist We Much on June 28, 2012 at 12:44 PM

xkaydet65 on June 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/JCTletter110509.pdf

The pdf may take awhile to load today.. HAHA.

pambi on June 28, 2012 at 12:44 PM

“Stupak” is intentional. Do you even know what an EO is? An EO is NOT the tool for countermanding a duly passed law. Romney intends to stupak you the way Oboobi did Stupid.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I know what an EO is. You sound like Roberts now.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Can someone answer this question? Is there a specified sixe of the tax or a specific formula for arriving at the size of the tax in this bill? If there is not, then NO monies can be collected until Congress authorizes, by amount, by rate, or by formulawhat a non insurer must pay. Congress, not te Sec of HHS. So is there an amount or formula in this law?

xkaydet65 on June 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Yes. Congress specified a penalty, IIRC of $2,300 per year. Don’t recall the annual escalation, but it’s in there somewhere.

As a self-employed, I’ve long figured that I’ll gladly pay this penalty plus a catasrophic insurance and come out ahead of the mandated insurance. Then I heard that there can only be the “approved” insurance available.

But now with this ruling, just imagine (just occurred to me while writing this)… there’ll actually be a legit market for “unapproved” insurance, tailored just the way you want it, as long as you pay the $2300 sales tax to purchase it. Talk about unintended consequences cascading from ObamneyCare. ROTFLOL

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Dante, shouldn’t you be on a different blog? I’m with Mark Levin and would vote for an orange can if it was running against B.O. If you’re an American you should too. So stop bashing Romney because it shows what side of the aisle you are on.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Love the Stalinist argument.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Nothing wrong with my thinking. I’ve read your comments before and it appears you have an open mind. That means any garbage can fall in and it seems it has.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Ouch :)…you’d think that this will shut him up pour toujours :).. but then again, wishful thinking :)…

jimver on June 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Thank you America, democracy and the rule of law lives!

damian1967 on June 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Does it not trouble you that the government can force you to do anything it wants by calling any penalty on failing to do so a tax? I hope Romney forces everybody to listen to Rush Limbaugh. If you don’t, he will tax the bejeezus out of you.

NoFanofLibs on June 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Thanks canopfor for this and all of your other hard work of posting links!! I need to take a break and eat!! Hope you will too:-)

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM

bluefox:I thank-you,I do love doing this stuff,a challenge if you
wish,and Contempt is up next:)
=========================================

Heres the Live Streaming Linky for Holder Comtempt!

http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/

**Hat Tip:

Flora Duh:)

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Thank you America, democracy and the rule of law lives!

damian1967 on June 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

You forgot to mention that NO REPUBLICAN voted for this, not one. So I guess you dimocrats own the country. November is coming and you will not like it.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM

LevinFan, sometimes Mr. Levin himself would slap you.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I know what an EO is. You sound like Roberts now.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM

And you have now proved yourself to be as gullible as Stupak. Thanks for playing.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I REALLY feel horrible for the insurance companies, as well !!
The IRS will be at their doors, to collect their share, as with doctors & Medicare ?
What a frightening nightmare !!
How many will fold up within 6 months ??

pambi on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Oh and for all of you down in the dumps over this. Try this. Send a box of love to one of our Military personnel. Here is an address for one of HA’s own.

G Moyes
4th ID – 4BSTB – S2
FOB Mehtar Lam
APO AE 09310

Trust me, it will brighten everyones day. ; )

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Looks like you have a monopoly over elegant comments and beautiful gestures today :)…

jimver on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Pelosium Speaks!

Rep. Nancy Pelosi, speaking on health care law, says

Sen. Ted Kennedy’s dream has become reality, says he can now rest in peace

- broadcast

Submitted 2 mins ago by editor

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Mary Jo Kepechne disagrees.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Stop lying to yourself. Brokered convention is the only way to go now if we are to save our future.

riddick

Talk about lying to ones self.

Idiots like you are part of the reason we have Obamacare to begin with. Maybe if we teach the GOP another lesson, we can get Cap and Trade.

Stop being stupid and get a clue. Electing Romney, like him or not(and I don’t), is the absolute last chance we have to stop Obamacare. And even that might not do it. But it’s our best shot at this point.

xblade on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

********************* ALERT ***************************

CONTEMPT VOTE IN PROGRESS:

http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 12:50 PM

LevinFan, sometimes Mr. Levin himself would slap you.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Really genius??

The same Mark Levin who has said repeatedly that he’d vote for an orange juice can over Maobama??

You think Levin approves of sitting at home and pouting this November?

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:50 PM

And you have now proved yourself to be as gullible as Stupak. Thanks for playing.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

And you will either sit out or waste your vote on Johnson or RP. Talk about gullible.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Stop being stupid and get a clue. Electing Romney, like him or not(and I don’t), is the absolute last chance we have to stop Obamacare. And even that might not do it. But it’s our best shot at this point.

xblade on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

No. Electing a majority in both houses is our route to stopping OC. POTUS can only veto bills and use a bully pulpit.

As for the mantra that we need him for SCOTUS, how’s Roberts working out for ya now?

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Stop lying to yourself. Brokered convention is the only way to go now if we are to save our future.

riddick

Talk about lying to ones self.

Idiots like you are part of the reason we have Obamacare to begin with. Maybe if we teach the GOP another lesson, we can get Cap and Trade.

Stop being stupid and get a clue. Electing Romney, like him or not(and I don’t), is the absolute last chance we have to stop Obamacare. And even that might not do it. But it’s our best shot at this point.

xblade on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

You would think that riddick as someone who has suffered under communism would no better.

Apparently not.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

xblade on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Did you not listen to Mittens just now? He had to say that he wants to keep the ban on pre-existing conditions. Why not just do away with age or physicals on life insurance. You CANNOT have insurance if they can’t gauge the cost of insurance.

Mittens is burying himself and everything. I am for a brokered convention to get someone with a brain. If we had gone with a brokered convention in 2008 we might have avoided all this cr@p and the death of America. Either Mittens had better get a brain quick or none of this matters one bit and the ONLY solution will be a new nation (which it pretty much is, at this point, anyway).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I still do not get how it can be a tax and still be constitutional, or has Article 1 Sec 7 been struck down?

Section 7.

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

This bill originated in the Senate, how can it be constitutional?

Animal60 on June 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

And you will either sit out or waste your vote on Johnson or RP. Talk about gullible.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:50 PM

You are part of the problem.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

That’s exactly what it is. A game. Understanding that is what we have to do. Win some, lose some. Try to make sure the unanticipated issues that arise can further your side’s goals. Keep your people focused, and when the other side gets lucky on a 65 yd field goal, take it with dignity. Don’t participate in the circular firing squad.

We have to play with the team we have. Romney may not be the best quarterback, but he’s ours. And any good offensive lineman knows how to keep his quarterback in line. Let him get clobbered a few times, and it’s funny how quick it gets his attention.

Since you seem to be a bit grumpy this morning, why not let all of us consider your game plan?

graywaiter on June 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

So it’s a mixed bag,.. some silver linings, but they didn’t completely strike it down.. So now it’s all a ground game in November. All riding on Romney’s ability to repeal.

The posts which are the most annoying, aren’t the ones between Romney supporters, and Romney haters. Those are pretty common now, what’s getting under my skin, are the liberal douuchbags that keep on telling us how good this Obamacare is for the “peoples”..

I’m in the demagraphic which liberals claim to own. Lower income working class, now disabled, heavily dependent on modern medicine. I can tell you for a fact, you’ve lost us, there isn’t a waiting room I’ve been in yet where there is anything approaching support for Obamacare, virtually everyone favors repeal. The only ones who don’t are very elderly and still drunk on FDR’s koolaid, braindead to any chance that democrats are God’s to worship.. You pity them, and talk to the still rational.

You democrats think we want your bungling?.. why?.. you believe your own press slogans, and haven’t listened to a second opinion in decades. I’ll fight Obama with everything, he wins.. my family is f**ked.. courtesy of you liberal d**kheads. Death panels may be a joke to you dolts, you don’t have a debilatating condition, one where the choice is continuing medical treatment to improve the value of life, or a government wonk deciding, nope… he just ain’t worth it.. give him the cheapest pain meds and forget him, and his family.

GFYS…..

My life, the lives of millions of others are not chess pieces you can sacrifice so you can make your own life so much better. You can’t lie anymore about your delusions, it was never about helping anybody, it was about you douuchebags featherting your own nest while screwing over the medically dependent.

Where are you going to get new doctors, when almost half retire from medicine if Obamacare stands?.. 40% plus poll after poll say.. nope, they are done, they refuse to be underpaid cogs in the Obama mill.. you pay doctors like super market baggers, guess what, that’s who’ll be providing your healthcare, the least able and least gifted. The best and brightest can’t function in your dream world.

We will repeal.. and we will crush you in a histroic landslide in November.

Congratulations on killing liberalism for at least two decades.

mark81150 on June 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Well , off to buy my Volt while I still have a color choice .

Lucano on June 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

No. Electing a majority in both houses is our route to stopping OC. POTUS can only veto bills and use a bully pulpit.

As for the mantra that we need him for SCOTUS, how’s Roberts working out for ya now?

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

So you get a repeal obamacare bill through congress and Obama vetoes it! What good does that do??

Or do you really think we’ll have enough for a 2/3 majority to override his veto?

That’s pretty unrealistic, we may be able to take the Senate to get a republican majority but it’ll be close.

For all the Romney haters:

If a repeal bill is put on his desk, do you really think Romney wil veto it??

Dante, besser tots, madcon?? A truthful answer please.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

You are part of the problem.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I’m not even going to ask.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM

You want a tyrant who agrees with you on policy. I get it. What happens when you don’t agree with the next tyrant?

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I’m afraid you are missing a point. The ACA is riddled with the “Secretary Shall” determine or decide etc. The executive order of the proesident is a mechanism to pre-determine these decisions to negate the effect of the ACA. He is not going to claim tyrannically that he will ignore Congress. He will use the EO to give everyone a waiver. He has that power given to him by the ACA itself. He will determine in this manner that nothing gets done. He will exercise the authority the ACA gives him to execute the law in such a manner as to not execute it.

DocKen on June 28, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Heck of a job, George W. If only Harriet Miers had joined the court also, it could have been 6-3.

Lawdawg86 on June 28, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Did you not listen to Mittens just now? He had to say that he wants to keep the ban on pre-existing conditions. Why not just do away with age or physicals on life insurance. You CANNOT have insurance if they can’t gauge the cost of insurance.

Mittens is burying himself and everything. I am for a brokered convention to get someone with a brain. If we had gone with a brokered convention in 2008 we might have avoided all this cr@p and the death of America. Either Mittens had better get a brain quick or none of this matters one bit and the ONLY solution will be a new nation (which it pretty much is, at this point, anyway).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

That bothered me too, I was yelling at the tv.

Mittens is a politician, we should not be suprised.

A brokered convention is only going to hand reelection to Maobama. The GOP will be in disarray, it’ll be a complete disaster.

Bottom line, if a repeal bill is put on Romney’s desk do you think he’ll sign it?

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I’m not even going to ask.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM

You probably would not understand his answer, but what he is saying is that you are perpetuating the same failed system because you have been convinced that is the only way to play the game.

You will never outnumber the freeloaders…and you will never out vote them.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

The only way to force the states to comply is gone. It would have to go back to Congress to fix it, and I just don’t think they’ll do it anytime soon.

It’s going to be an interesting 4 months! Cheers!

graywaiter on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

If a state refuses, do the citizens of the state still have to pay the tax?

cptacek on June 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Sometimes our only choices are between bad and worse. Choosing bad over worse is not an unprincipled act. To the contrary, it is putting principles into practice in an imperfect world.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

I REALLY feel horrible for the insurance companies, as well !!
The IRS will be at their doors, to collect their share, as with doctors & Medicare ?
What a frightening nightmare !!
How many will fold up within 6 months ??

pambi on June 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

It’s the entire point of Obamacare drive private insurance carriers out of business. What options are left to Americans – who used to be free citizens of the United States of America – “The Government”. Single payer. Then comes the rationing ask anyone living in Canada or England about health care rationing.

John Roberts is every vile name you can imagine.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

2. Have Mitt display a pair of really steely ones. He’s been granted another big platinum opportunity with this ruling.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2012 at 11:56 AM

How? If he does something you don’t like you whine about it for weeks.

If he does something you should like you say, “It doesn’t matter because he lies.”

Gelsomina on June 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I simply cannot fathom how anyone who considers himself to be a Conservative could consider not voting for Romney, effectively advancing the electoral prospects of Barack Hussein Obama.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I can only say that the decision has never been one that I made lightly, nor one that truly puts my mind at ease. It was entirely based on not supporting someone who has clearly expressed opposition to myself on key issues, such as gun control, socialized medicine, and abortion. I’m young, and I’m idealistic. We’re always taking principled stands that, for most, will wear off by the time we hit our late 30s.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Lack of principles is what got us to this point. Love or hate progressive liberals, but what they DO HAVE is PRINCIPLES, no matter if you and I agree with them or not, but PRINCIPLES is what makes them WIN EACH and EVERY time.

Its about time we did the same.

riddick on June 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Sometimes our only choices are between bad and worse. Choosing bad over worse is not an unprincipled act. To the contrary, it is putting principles into practice in an imperfect world.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

I will remember your words, and consider them carefully.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Its about time we did the same.

riddick on June 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Today’s conservative does not have the stomach for what it takes to “win”.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Heck of a job, George W. If only Harriet Miers had joined the court also, it could have been 6-3.

Lawdawg86 on June 28, 2012 at 12:56 PM

At least Obama can’t run against Bush on this issue in this campaign like he has with the economy, they are in lock step.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Heck of a job, George W. If only Harriet Miers had joined the court also, it could have been 6-3.

Lawdawg86 on June 28, 2012 at 12:56 PM | Delete

Best post of the day. Literally made me laugh out loud.

milcus on June 28, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Bottom line, if a repeal bill is put on Romney’s desk do you think he’ll sign it?

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I have no idea, to be honest. If it doesn’t force insurers to cover pre-existing conditions? Who knows?

I am livid that, even at this point, Mittens is still too friggin stupid to even know what he HAS TO SAY, regardless of what he’ll actually do. He’s an idiot who obviously has no concept of the state of the this now-dead nation.

I just don’t know what to do, at this point. Mittens is going to turn off more people than McShame did. People are getting weary after having to fight all these years, and they are starting to think that they just don’t have a chance to win. It’s a shame and it’s awful that Mittens can’t understand this, or worse, doesn’t give a sh!t.

I just don’t know at this point. After this sort of insane ruling, for that idiot to get on TV and say that … what can I say?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 1:02 PM

You will never outnumber the freeloaders…and you will never out vote them.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

So throw your hands up and give up? Not me.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 1:03 PM

We have to play with the team we have. Romney may not be the best quarterback, but he’s ours.

graywaiter on June 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Ah, the ol’ party over principle that keeps us all in this big government quagmire.

Save us from the statists and their followers like this guy.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM

And you will either sit out or waste your vote on Johnson or RP. Talk about gullible.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Gullible is believing that an EO will nullify a law. Please provide one example of this happening. Oboobi may be “nullifying” AZ, but as soon as someone else sits in the WH, was anything truly nullified? like I said, an EO does not cancel a law. If we didn’t like it when Oboobi uses them to do end runs around laws, why allow Mittness to do so?

The rule of law means we stick to the law as written and as in play, whether we like it or not. the ones we don’t like, we repeal in accordance with the laws in place for doing so. That is the constitutional way of doing things. You are no different than Oboobi, willing and ready to trample that precisous document when it suits you.

Where have I advocated for either, beyond acknowledging that they have some positives? There are other options, starting with a contested convention.

Anyhoo, I’m about done batting it around with you. You’re in the mold of the 1/3 that wanted to play it safe and do nothing but hope in King George in the late 1700s. Or the Whigs that deemed the slavery issue to be too toxic in 1856/60. Go in peace and live with Mittness. By playing it safe, you doom yourself and your kids.

I can only hope that those with a conservative bone and desire to stay true to the constitution will wake up to the truth that we are not limited to only two options. And if they do, it may well be that we will have returned to the country what it deserves, a true republic, if you fearful types can keep it.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

You will never outnumber the freeloaders…and you will never out vote them.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Then surrender. Otherwise, stop playing doomsayer.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Bottom line, if a repeal bill is put on Romney’s desk do you think he’ll sign it?

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM

He will never be given that opportunity.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Nothing wrong with my thinking. I’ve read your comments before and it appears you have an open mind. That means any garbage can fall in and it seems it has.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Ouch :)…you’d think that this will shut him up pour toujours :).. but then again, wishful thinking :)…

jimver on June 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

I know. When one has lost the ability to know right from wrong, then only God can help them.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

So throw your hands up and give up? Not me.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 1:03 PM

False dichotomy…it is what shallow individuals usually resort to.

Your mind cannot even conceive of a solution outside of bumpersticker politics.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Thank you Obama, for working for the American people, and making sure they do get the health care services they need, regardless of their pay scale.

damian1967 on June 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

You just don’t “get” health care, they have to pay for it. More than they ever paid before. And if they can’t pay for it and for the penalty tax, they go to jail.

Obama lies, Grandma goes to jail.

Thank you, President Obama.

Gelsomina on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Today’s conservative does not have the stomach for what it takes to “win”.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Enlighten us. You seem to have all the answers.

HumpBot Salvation on June 28, 2012 at 1:06 PM

How? If he does something you don’t like you whine about it for weeks.

If he does something you should like you say, “It doesn’t matter because he lies.”

Gelsomina on June 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I am staring at a page that is split into 2 columns: Romney got it right and Romney didn’t. While one is filling up based on Romney’s record so far, that second column sits empty, for months now.

So, clue us all in and let us know what is it exactly that Romney did right. BASED ON HIS ACTIONS, and not on his speeches and unicorn farts as he did today.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice…

Way too many fools running around. Unless we retake Senate and keep the house it doesn’t really matter who sits in the WH, Manchurian or Romney, they are not that much different. BASED ON THEIR RECORDS. You know, RomneyCare, higher taxes, anti gun, pro abortion, and all that jazz. One is just way more radical, but in the end same sh$t.

riddick on June 28, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Then surrender. Otherwise, stop playing doomsayer.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

False dichotomy…it is what shallow individuals usually resort to.

Your mind cannot even conceive of a solution outside of bumpersticker politics.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM

The rule of law means we stick to the law as written and as in play, whether we like it or not. the ones we don’t like, we repeal in accordance with the laws in place for doing so. That is the constitutional way of doing things. You are no different than Oboobi, willing and ready to trample that precisous document when it suits you.

Where have I advocated for either, beyond acknowledging that they have some positives? There are other options, starting with a contested convention.

Anyhoo, I’m about done batting it around with you. You’re in the mold of the 1/3 that wanted to play it safe and do nothing but hope in King George in the late 1700s. Or the Whigs that deemed the slavery issue to be too toxic in 1856/60. Go in peace and live with Mittness. By playing it safe, you doom yourself and your kids.

I can only hope that those with a conservative bone and desire to stay true to the constitution will wake up to the truth that we are not limited to only two options. And if they do, it may well be that we will have returned to the country what it deserves, a true republic, if you fearful types can keep it.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Actually, that is only true in regards to Constitutional laws. That does not hold for unconstitutional laws nor unconstitutional laws that may be upheld by SCOTUS, such as today.

We, the sovereign people of the sovereign states, who created the federal government, have the power of nullification.

Learn it, preach it, call your state officials and get them on board. Organize about it.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM

I have no idea, to be honest. If it doesn’t force insurers to cover pre-existing conditions? Who knows?

I am livid that, even at this point, Mittens is still too friggin stupid to even know what he HAS TO SAY, regardless of what he’ll actually do. He’s an idiot who obviously has no concept of the state of the this now-dead nation.

I just don’t know what to do, at this point. Mittens is going to turn off more people than McShame did. People are getting weary after having to fight all these years, and they are starting to think that they just don’t have a chance to win. It’s a shame and it’s awful that Mittens can’t understand this, or worse, doesn’t give a sh!t.

I just don’t know at this point. After this sort of insane ruling, for that idiot to get on TV and say that … what can I say?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 1:02 PM

I thought ROmney’s speech was pretty good… right up until he mentioned preexisting conditions.

I guarantee he’ll sign a repeal bill no matter what. It’d be political suicide not to.

Worse case scenario even if that repeal bill has something that keeps preexisting conditions in it I’d still take it. What choice do we have? Hopefully repeal all of it, but even some of it is obviously better than nothing.

We got stuck with medicare, medicaid, social security for life. It’s pretty hard to repeal these things, so why I want all of it gone, removing some of it is better than nothing.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM

False dichotomy…it is what shallow individuals usually resort to.

Your mind cannot even conceive of a solution outside of bumpersticker politics.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

FO d!psh!t. What are you calling for? A ReVolt!on? You are a joke.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM

“trying to expand the power and scope of the government” – by repealing obambicare on day one? You really are not that bright now are you.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Guess you also believe in the Tooth Fairy.

This is must pure Hot Air.

Romney is the father of Obama Care. He gave birth to it in the form of Romney Care. It grew up under Obama and is now about to become a teenager as Obama Care.

Romney is clear he wants to make Romney Care required in all 50 States. His goals for universal coverage in his “Repeal” speech.

You are the idiot not Romney if you believe his “Repeal” nonsense. That would take 60 Senators which we will not have. Romney knows full well Repeal is impossible so he can falsely promise it all day long knowing full well it is not going to happen. Romney will make Obama Care a really nasty teenager. He will make it more intrusive and more costly.

Reduce cost. Right.

Only way to do that is to return the care of the poor to Charities where it should have remained. Charities actually care about people and their real needs. Government just makes some people rich at the expense of the rest of us providing horrible service at very high prices.

Steveangell on June 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Gullible is believing that an EO will nullify a law. Please provide one example of this happening.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

HUH!? How about Hussein Immigration Amnesty EO? You know, that one he signed this month?

For one.

riddick on June 28, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I will remember your words, and consider them carefully.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I very much appreciate the respect.

Believe me when I say I have fought and sacrificed much in my life to stand on principle. I have suffered the consequences of failing to stand on principle. If you are a principled man, the struggle is a part of life.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Believe me when I say I have fought and sacrificed much in my life to stand on principle. I have suffered the consequences of failing to stand on principle. If you are a principled man, the struggle is a part of life.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 1:10 PM

+1000

riddick on June 28, 2012 at 1:12 PM

There is a simple solution for many businesses: Don’t hire anyone new and reduce their workforce, It’s done.

Dollayo on June 28, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Enlighten us. You seem to have all the answers.

HumpBot Salvation on June 28, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Simple…how did the communists win this battle back in the 50′s? Or if you don’t want the wait the decades that takes then how about all of us starve the system itself.

First recognize that there is not a political solution to this problem…it is a cultural issue.

Outside of this heated thread I would like to see a serious conversation on this at some point.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:12 PM

And you will either sit out or waste your vote on Johnson or RP. Talk about gullible.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:50 PM

You are part of the problem.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM

When the Hell are you going to get it through your skull.. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS TO BE RELEVANT?

You can whine about how everybody else dosen’t “get” it, but when you are leass than 5% of the voters, you are nothing more than a Naderite spitting in the wind, while patting yourse;lf on the back about how intelligent YOU are. Nope, any third party which can’t gather numbers in any kind of strength is just an arrogant club of delusional spoilers.

If Paul of the Libertarians were anything like a viable choice.. you’s be poaching numbers from both parties, and be in at least double digits..

you aren’t doing either.

A circle jerk club whining about how much better you are, how superior your philosophy, how everyone ELSE is wrong.. all 95% of the population who are listening to you.

You simply lost the debate.. no one is buying Paul’s line or yours.

go ahead and waste your vote.

You are not relevant to the coming election, so why should the victors even bother to hear you out?.. You only succeed in alienating conservatives and republicans.. and making liberals laugh at your attempsts to split the opposition vote.

Mitt is not our first choice, but he’s the one who won the delegates, so we’re going to let the vote stand.

We’re not all happy it came out this way, but the people have spoken. Refusing to accept that and staying home may be your choice, but you win zero respect for doing it.

mark81150 on June 28, 2012 at 1:13 PM

He will never be given that opportunity.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM

good job not answering the question, you should run for office.

What did you get banned from lewrockwell, why waste your time with us “neocons”?

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM

False dichotomy…it is what shallow individuals usually resort to.

Your mind cannot even conceive of a solution outside of bumpersticker politics.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Once again…Enlighten us.

Time to put up or STFU.

HumpBot Salvation on June 28, 2012 at 1:15 PM

But now with this ruling, just imagine (just occurred to me while writing this)… there’ll actually be a legit market for “unapproved” insurance, tailored just the way you want it, as long as you pay the $2300 sales tax to purchase it. Talk about unintended consequences cascading from ObamneyCare. ROTFLOL

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM

That one crossed my mind, too, but I can’t find the wiggle room that allows for the “unapproved” insurance plans. Obamacare seems to have a lock on what plans insurance companies are allowed to bring to market. $2300 to get the insurance plan you want, tailored for you by the insurance companies… hope you’re right, but where did you get that from the decision?

de rigueur on June 28, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Save us from the statists and their followers like this guy.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Nope…I’m one of the ones that believe We The People will fix this.
Get ready for 2010 all over again. Going to be a mighty WARM August.

graywaiter on June 28, 2012 at 1:15 PM

The SCALIA, KENNEDY, THOMAS, and ALITO dissenting opinion regarding penalty vs. tax, pp. 16-26, is well constructed. Not to mention their summary on pp. 64-65 (stunning).

It is quite unbelievable that ROBERTS thought his counter-argument on penalty vs. tax to be well constructed.

Pervasively, ROBERTS was looking for ANY method to rule this as constitutional, just as his argument effectively summarizes his basic theory when he references Hooper v. California, 155 U. S. 648, 657 (1895): “every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality.”

So much for checks-and-balances and separation-of-powers. No such thing exists in the ROBERTS court.

Carnac on June 28, 2012 at 1:16 PM

FO d!psh!t. What are you calling for? A ReVolt!on? You are a joke.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Jesus Christ Rick…you have totally bought into every cliche out there. This coming from a proud Tea Party patriot? Any clue where the inspiration for that came from?

Not all revolutions are violent…case in point…the left just revolted all over your conservative asses yet again.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Thank you America, democracy and the rule of law lives!

damian1967 on June 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Have fun paying those “taxes” to the new branch of government: private corporations!

Resist We Much on June 28, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Believe me when I say I have fought and sacrificed much in my life to stand on principle. I have suffered the consequences of failing to stand on principle. If you are a principled man, the struggle is a part of life.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Two of a mind. One way or another, I’ll stand beside you.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 1:17 PM

We got stuck with medicare, medicaid, social security for life. It’s pretty hard to repeal these things, so why I want all of it gone, removing some of it is better than nothing.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM

If you want it gone Romney is the worse possible vehicle to achieve it on.

Romney will never repeal it as it is impossible.

Now Obama wins he will get nothing passed. Funding will be removed from all of his priorities with the new much more conservative Congress. He will eventually have no choice but to start backing off and actually limiting Government. Impeachment will start for many of his Appointments probably himself.

Romney wins. The Obama train just keeps on rolling. Romney will get Immigration Amnesty passed quickly followed by Cap and Trade. He will get funding for all those new benefits Obama got. Romney will be a far better Obama for the Democrats. Then to get elected for a second term. He just becomes an official Democrat. He will win in a landslide and the Republican Party will be left a shambles. Not a bright future. But how am I wrong. He was a Democrat Governor that registration just a technicality. His words.

Steveangell on June 28, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Once again…Enlighten us.

Time to put up or STFU.

HumpBot Salvation on June 28, 2012 at 1:15 PM

He’s an internet tough guy. Or just a joke if you will.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 1:17 PM

but where did you get that from the decision?

de rigueur on June 28, 2012 at 1:15 PM

From a government run InsuranceExchange that controls which insurance companies can participate. Pipe dream of an affordable insurance.

riddick on June 28, 2012 at 1:18 PM

go ahead and waste your vote.

You are not relevant to the coming election, so why should the victors even bother to hear you out?.. You only succeed in alienating conservatives and republicans.. and making liberals laugh at your attempsts to split the opposition vote.

Mitt is not our first choice, but he’s the one who won the delegates, so we’re going to let the vote stand.

We’re not all happy it came out this way, but the people have spoken. Refusing to accept that and staying home may be your choice, but you win zero respect for doing it.

mark81150 on June 28, 2012 at 1:13 PM

I’ll be voting for those who believe in limited government, personal liberty, and upholding the Constitution.

Who will you be voting for?

Free yourself from your self-imposed slavery and use your head.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Guess you also believe in the Tooth Fairy.

This is must pure Hot Air.

Romney is the father of Obama Care. He gave birth to it in the form of Romney Care. It grew up under Obama and is now about to become a teenager as Obama Care.

Romney is clear he wants to make Romney Care required in all 50 States. His goals for universal coverage in his “Repeal” speech.

You are the idiot not Romney if you believe his “Repeal” nonsense. That would take 60 Senators which we will not have. Romney knows full well Repeal is impossible so he can falsely promise it all day long knowing full well it is not going to happen. Romney will make Obama Care a really nasty teenager. He will make it more intrusive and more costly.

Reduce cost. Right.

Only way to do that is to return the care of the poor to Charities where it should have remained. Charities actually care about people and their real needs. Government just makes some people rich at the expense of the rest of us providing horrible service at very high prices.

Steveangell on June 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

This, a 1000 times this. There isn’t going to be any repeal. Everybody in power knows there will be no repeal. Both parties are laughing at us right now. Tyranny is here.

bgibbs1000 on June 28, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Okay, so we lost out on the courts. Anyone up for business acumen on this?

Start up an insurance business, offering coverage for 1 checkup at a clinic per year. Charge $2 per month for it.

Government comes calling saying “You have to pay tax for healthcare”, you show them “But I do have healthcare.”

Profit!

UODuckMan on June 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Nope…I’m one of the ones that believe We The People will fix this.
Get ready for 2010 all over again. Going to be a mighty WARM August.

graywaiter on June 28, 2012 at 1:15 PM

No, I very much nailed it the first time.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Get ready for 2010 all over again. Going to be a mighty WARM August.

graywaiter on June 28, 2012 at 1:15 PM

And what exactly did the great victory of 2010 accomplish?

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Your mind cannot even conceive…

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM

You know what the ultimate irony is? People like you and Dante share the exact same snide, condescending, sneering arrogance as the most repulsive of diehard moderates like joana, with whom you would spar at length, but rarely do.

Birds of a feather, really…and none of you achieving anything.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM

And what exactly did the great victory of 2010 accomplish?

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Oh, I know!

Raising the debt ceiling!!!

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM

We’re not all happy it came out this way, but the people have spoken. Refusing to accept that and staying home may be your choice, but you win zero respect for doing it.

mark81150 on June 28, 2012 at 1:13 PM

You keep your smug respect.

I will keep my dignity.

Steveangell on June 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Simple…how did the communists win this battle back in the 50′s? Or if you don’t want the wait the decades that takes then how about all of us starve the system itself.

First recognize that there is not a political solution to this problem…it is a cultural issue.

Outside of this heated thread I would like to see a serious conversation on this at some point.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:12 PM

mmmK. Just as I suspected. Thanks for clarifying.

HumpBot Salvation on June 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM

I am staring at a page that is split into 2 columns: Romney got it right and Romney didn’t. While one is filling up based on Romney’s record so far, that second column sits empty, for months now.

So, clue us all in and let us know what is it exactly that Romney did right. BASED ON HIS ACTIONS, and not on his speeches and unicorn farts as he did today.

He eliminated the $1,5 billion budget deficit. I think you can put that into your empty column. He cut spending by $1,6 billion. He would have cut more, but the Democrats overruled him 250 times.

Gelsomina on June 28, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Okay, so we lost out on the courts. Anyone up for business acumen on this?

Start up an insurance business, offering coverage for 1 checkup at a clinic per year. Charge $2 per month for it.

Government comes calling saying “You have to pay tax for healthcare”, you show them “But I do have healthcare.”

Profit!

UODuckMan on June 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM

What part of GOVERNMENT RUN Insurance Exchanges did you not understand? Government now can tell you whether you can take a breath. Or die.

riddick on June 28, 2012 at 1:22 PM

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 11:59 AM
I don’t see this exciting Independents at all, this doesn’t gin us up. This ruling is a wet blanket, and if Romney loses, he can thank John Roberts. Bush pulled the rug out from under McCain, when he passed TARP in Sept 2008. George W Bush’s Creature “Roberts” just pulled the rug out from under Romney. It’s almost like the Bush’s want the country led by “Corporatist” aka “Fascist”.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 12:03 PM

First of all I was responding to lisafox. However, give the Independents some credit. Your reply to me is water under the bridge. I’m looking “forward” to November 6 as you should be:-) I think you’ve referred to yourself as an Independent; if so maybe all Independents don’t deserve credit in their thinking:-)

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Birds of a feather, really…and none of you achieving anything.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Which I guess makes me the ultimate conservative!

The only reason for the condescension is because we have been hearing from the GOP fluffers for decades that if we just keep voting for them that things will change and watching as people actually buy into it.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM

He eliminated the $1,5 billion budget deficit. I think you can put that into your empty column. He cut spending by $1,6 billion. He would have cut more, but the Democrats overruled him 250 times.

Gelsomina on June 28, 2012 at 1:22 PM

I’m leaving before the nutballs bring up that he is a Mormon.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Civility:

“@patrickgaspard: [Executive Director of the Democratic National Committee]

‘it’s constitutional. Bitches.’”

davidk on June 28, 2012 at 11:41 AM

.
Boehner: “We will not spike the ball.”
.
ExpressoBold: “NO KIDDING, DIMWIT!”
.
ExpressoBold @patrickgaspard: “Fcuk You, JackAss. No apology necessary since you have no honor and no credibility. We know who our enemies are.”

ExpressoBold on June 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM

I’ll be voting for those who believe in limited government, personal liberty, and upholding the Constitution.

Who will you be voting for?

Free yourself from your self-imposed slavery and use your head.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:18 PM

All you’re really doing is helping Maobama by wasting your vote for gary friggin johnson or rupaul.

Are you going to wear your tin foil hat to the polls?

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM

And what exactly did the great victory of 2010 accomplish?

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Oh, I know!

Raising the debt ceiling!!!

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Conservative Leaders and a far more conservative Congress.

It will be even more Conservative in 2012.

Romney is the problem not the solution.

Obama will be isolated and forced to capitulate if he wins reelection.

Romney will instead be able to continue the Progressive Agenda Conservatives are fighting against.

Conservatives Unite.

No MittObama 2012.

Patience will win in the end. Impeach these SOB’s. Primary out the Progressives in the Republican Party.

Do NOT Cow tow to the Progressives like Mitt.

We are in no way obliged to vote for Mitt Romney.

Steveangell on June 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM

You are the idiot not Romney if you believe his “Repeal” nonsense. That would take 60 Senators which we will not have.

Steveangell on June 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM

He’s the only game in town, telling us repeatedly how he’s Satan isn’t doing the fight aganist Obama any good at all. You if I recall correctly, a while back boldly claimed Romney was a closet communist, that he made a maybe maybe not “secret” trip to North Vietnam and came home in love with communism.

So I take your criticism of Romney with a warehouse full of salt.

mark81150 on June 28, 2012 at 1:27 PM

When the Hell are you going to get it through your skull.. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS TO BE RELEVANT?

You can whine about how everybody else dosen’t “get” it, but when you are leass than 5% of the voters, you are nothing more than a Naderite spitting in the wind, while patting yourse;lf on the back about how intelligent YOU are. Nope, any third party which can’t gather numbers in any kind of strength is just an arrogant club of delusional spoilers.

If Paul of the Libertarians were anything like a viable choice.. you’s be poaching numbers from both parties, and be in at least double digits..

you aren’t doing either.

A circle jerk club whining about how much better you are, how superior your philosophy, how everyone ELSE is wrong.. all 95% of the population who are listening to you.

You simply lost the debate.. no one is buying Paul’s line or yours.

go ahead and waste your vote.

You are not relevant to the coming election, so why should the victors even bother to hear you out?.. You only succeed in alienating conservatives and republicans.. and making liberals laugh at your attempsts to split the opposition vote.

Mitt is not our first choice, but he’s the one who won the delegates, so we’re going to let the vote stand.

We’re not all happy it came out this way, but the people have spoken. Refusing to accept that and staying home may be your choice, but you win zero respect for doing it.

mark81150 on June 28, 2012 at 1:13 PM

THIS +1000 !!!

Rand Paul gets it, why can’t the rest of the paulbots get it??

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 1:29 PM

He eliminated the $1,5 billion budget deficit. I think you can put that into your empty column. He cut spending by $1,6 billion. He would have cut more, but the Democrats overruled him 250 times.

Gelsomina on June 28, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Yay! ONE accomplishment. Great! I can now have something in the column, at last.

Easily balances all of Romney’s “accomplishments” in the SUCKED column.

/s

Only in RINOs mind can this be reality.

He and Paul Ryan will now be able to execute Ryan’s incredible economic plan that cuts incredible $400 BILLION per year while our deficit runs $1.4 TRILLION per year. Yay, we have a winner!

riddick on June 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM

The Imperial Federal Government protects itself.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM

So what else is new? We’ve said/done nothing as they’ve accrued more power over at least the last 100 years. Everything these clowns have come up with, Conservative America has sat back, collectively shrugged our shoulders and said, “Well, it’s the law…you can’t fight city hall!” Grumble a little and mumble something about the certainty of ‘death and taxes’, oh and the ever-so-cute ‘Infernal Revenue Service’.

Seems apropos to post this again-Thomas Jefferson

You seem … to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps…. Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM

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