Open thread: Mandate-mas III, the Finale; Update: Stolen Valor Act struck down; Update: CNN says mandate struck down; Update: AP reports that mandate upheld; Update: Confirmed upheld, 5-4; Update: Kennedy wanted to strike entire law

posted at 8:41 am on June 28, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Why not get this party started early?  The decision won’t get announced until 10 am ET, about the same time that the House will come to order this morning to consider whether to hold the Attorney General in contempt over his refusal to abide by a subpoena from the Oversight Committee.  Take your pick of historic events, in other words, and try to predict which will be more memorable in the end.  John Podhoretz had a thought about that last night on Twitter:

So what’s the skinny on the decision?  Last night, Intrade had 72.8% betting that the individual mandate was a goner:

With the Supreme Court set to make its ruling on Obamacare on Thursday, the prediction market on Intrade has placed its bet, reporting there is a high probability that the individual mandate will be struck down.

As of Wednesday night, “the world’s leading prediction market” reports there is a 72.8 percent chance the individual mandate will be ruled unconstitutional — a ruling that would deliver a devastating blow to the Obama administration.

If I was a betting man, I’d probably go the same way.  I think there’s still a decent chance that the court might uphold it, but a slightly better chance that the whole thing will get tossed, more out of convenience than anything else, but the mandate will still be the key.

Of course, if that happens, be prepared for a full-court meltdown among the Left, where the argument has already arisen that the Roberts Court is the Most Activististist Court Evah, with Jeffrey Toobin and (Politico’s) Roger Simon leading the way.  Gabriel Malor demolished this argument on Twitter yesterday, and he compiled his rebuttal into a blog post this morning:

Here’s the data on the first five years of the Roberts Court (gleaned from this NYTimes infographic):

(1) The Warren, Burger, and Rehnquist Courts overturned precedent decisions at an average rate of 2.7, 2.8 and 2.4 per term, respectively. By contrast, the Roberts Court overturned precedent only at an average rate of 1.6 per term.(2) The Warren, Burger, and Rehnquist Courts overturned laws at an average rate of 7.9, 12.5, and 6.2 laws per term. By contrast, the Roberts Court struck down laws only 3 laws per term.

Just three laws per term! Far, far from being “eager” to overturn legislatures, as hack Toobin dribbled, and obviously, indisputably playing no unusual role in “second-guessing laws,” as Fallows alarmingly squeaked, the Roberts Court has been a model of restraint. Restraint is, naturally, one of Chief Justice Roberts’ well-known characteristics and it was remarked upon during his confirmation hearings. One could even creditably call the Roberts Court the most restrained, incrementalist Court of the modern era. (I assure you, these numbers have not changed appreciably in the past two years.)

Again, that assumes that the Roberts Court overturns ObamaCare, in whole or in part.  Will the Right melt down if they don’t?  Er …

Beginning at 8:45 am ET, a few minutes earlier than usual, SCOTUSBlog will start its live blogging at this link, which is where most of us will find out what happened.  I’ll be updating this post as we go along, so check back here frequently.

Update: Don’t forget that there are two other cases on the docket that will get decided today, one of which is the Stolen Valor case.  Can Congress make it a crime to lie about military service, or does the First Amendment cover that as protected speech?  We will soon find out.

Update II: Yes, the circus has arrived.  Jeff Quinton posted this picture of Belly Dancers for Single Payer on his Twitter feed:

Because nothing says, “Take me seriously on health care” like belly dancing.

Update: Not going to number updates here.  Stolen Valor act struck down as unconstitutional 6-3, with Kennedy writing for majority.  Congress may be able to rewrite it, though, according to SCOTUSblog’s interpretation of decision.  Here’s the opinion.

Update: Next case, First American, was dismissed.

Update: CNN reports mandate struck down …  developing …

Update: AP reports mandate upheld as a tax, but clearly there is a lot of confusion on this point.

Update: SCOTUSblog reports that Roberts says mandate is constitutional.

Update: Yup, the court upheld the mandate as a tax, not as part of a Commerce Clause jurisdiction.  They narrowed the Medicaid expansion, but it looks like the bill will survive mainly intact.  CNN may be the biggest loser today.

Update: On Twitter, astonishment from conservatives that Kennedy voted to kill the mandate and Roberts voted to uphold it.  I tweeted this in response:

It helps to laugh a little, people.

Update: Kennedy wanted to strike the entire act, according to SCOTUSBlog: “In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety.”


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Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:09 PM

And there you have it, point made, nice job Dante. Nice job, you’re the greatest American of all time. LOL!

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM

not at MadCon. Sorry for the confusion.

Emotions are running very high.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Either way, stop directing it at me or him. My comment was directed solely at a commenter who has spent his entire time attacking nearly every writer and commenter on this site because they don’t fall into lockstep with the specified commenter’s beliefs. You, ddrintn, LevinFan, besser tot als rot, and the vast majority of the commenters on this site are conservatives who will continue the fight against this socialist menace.

We’ve just entered the most perilous time of this year, politically. Four months to see what the ramifications of this decision will produce. The fact that it has been established as a tax, and not protected under the CC, leaves the door open for a final showdown over this bill. We must not let any opportunity slip through our fingers, and we must be as united as possible, if we are to show these bastards that this is a nation of the people, by the people, and for the people.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM

He’s not even close.

But thanks for weighing in DA. Now go back to your corner and sulk and whine. Like a loser.

See ya in November.

HumpBot Salvation on June 28, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I am more than close…I have been proven right every time unfortunately.

Keep telling yourself that you are “fighting” every time the GOP bends you over.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM

I hope someone on here knows the answer to the question that’s now blistering my…curiosity.

Early on in the dems creating obamacare there was a jail-time penalty for refusal to “participate” – for refusing to buy insurance. Thay had to omit that penalty because it wouldn’t have been permitted under the commerce clause.

So what happens now that this stinking deal is a “tax”? Being a tax means enforcement is within the purview of the IRS, right?

Does this mean anyone refusing to buy health insurance can be charged with tax evasion?

Jailed for tax evasion?

What the hell!!!

GGMac on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Roberts found that this was a tax
Congress can tax
What they can’t do, is mandate under the commerce law individuals and states to do anything, and that is a wonderful part of this decision.
congress and the president did this. Not one Republican voted for this law.
If you want “hope and change” vote for Republicans everywhere and throw the Liberal Democrats out on the street in November.

Delsa on June 28, 2012 at 12:05 PM

This battle is just beginning.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I disagree. The Tea Party came into existance because of this issue and 70% of “We the People” wanted it killed. The only silver lining in this whole horrible decision by the SC.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM

In 2010 Independents swung to the right by 20 points.

The Republican base may be energized to turn out for Republicans by this ruling. Mitt Romney needs the Independents to turn out. Roberts just threw a wet blanket on the Independent vote.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Yep. Now if the American voting public can see it and act upon it we may still right this ship yet.

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:10 PM

This ship has been smashed on the rocks. It needs to be rebuilt, not righted.

I can’t wait until we’re “taxed” for not buying electric cars from Government Motors …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Enough, already. You’re not helping things.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Truth hurts eh?

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

If you can say that after today’s SCOTUS’S ruling, then you must be in the Obama camp. That’s all I can conclude.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Then you need to expand your thinking.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

One more chance, this Nov. That’s it.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Yep, one last chance.

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

My God, the Republic as we know it is going bye bye right before our eyes. Instead of striking down the whole bill, they instead do not do that and let it stand.

We think we are broke now, just wait.

watertown on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Romney just bet his entire presidency on repealing this monstrosity. Thank God!!

Pest on June 28, 2012 at 12:13 PM

How do you expect to help remove the Communist taint from the white house if you won’t support Romney?

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 11:52 AM

People get the government they deserve, Thomas Jefferson/ Chief John Roberts.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Evidently you weren’t tuned in during 2008. Massive fraud in every Caucus State and more! The American people did not deserve a stolen election.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:13 PM

You should be ashamed of yourself. How many times have I said I fought Mitt in the primary but support him over the marxist in the General???

That makes me a rombot?? Guess Levin, Beck, Rush, and Palin are all ROmbots too!

So you hate Obama more? THen prove it!

Politics have always been the lesser of two evils. Either get off your a$$ to defeat Maobama or stop complaining.

If it’s not worth it to you to lift a finger to stop Maobama then don’t ever criticize him again!

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:04 PM


It is time to conserve our energy.

Do not waste a second trying to convince a “tantrum voter”. Anyone so caught up in themselves they can’t see what is in their own self interest does not deserve a second of our time between now and November 6th.

The same is true for the mobys and the trolls.

The answer to “Chicken” Roberts needs to occur at the ballot box.

From top to bottom, with NO wiggle room, the question to be answered unequivocally;

“Will you vote to REPEAL Obamacare?”

Then spend your time and effort for those who answer “Yes.”

And not one second for anyone or anything else.

Not.One.Second.

PolAgnostic on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

If you can say that after today’s SCOTUS’S ruling, then you must be in the Obama camp. That’s all I can conclude. You would probably have been in the British camp too. Not willing to stand up for your Country? Not willing to vote to rid us of this traitor? You are worse than any troll I’ve ever seen on HA. You’ve pretended with all of your comments to be an American. I won’t make that mistake anymore you can be assured.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM

The good Dr. is a Troll. All the sleeper cells have been activated for this thread.

HumpBot Salvation on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

avgjo

I beg to differ…It means a LOT that he lied, and did it repeatedly. Imagine the ad campaign! The whole thing only passed because it wasn’t suppose to be a tax. Then the hired, non-government lawyer more or less told the Obama yahoos that there was no way to argue it unless it was a tax. After the Florida ruling they knew they were sunk under Commerce.

Remember, they argued it as a tax to the SC as a back up in case Commerce didn’t work. Although the act didn’t say the word “tax”, it didn’t have to. Roberts had no choice.

Sure, I’m disappointed, but strangely at peace too. This IS fixable. Don’t discount the Medicaid ruling. This is a big one. The only way to force the states to comply is gone. It would have to go back to Congress to fix it, and I just don’t think they’ll do it anytime soon.

It’s going to be an interesting 4 months! Cheers!

graywaiter on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

And there you have it, point made, nice job Dante. Nice job, you’re the greatest American of all time. LOL!

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Yes, point made indeed. You continue to evade points others make and refuse to of defend your statements.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I don’t think we have quite hit the rocks yet. We are extremely close however and it is urgent to make the correction.

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Roberts found that this was a tax
Congress can tax

Delsa on June 28, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Congress can “tax” inactivity. Yay! They can do anything. You can be taxed for not doing anything the feral government says.

That is not how the American Constitution works. The taxing power of Congress, like every other power, is limited. Congress is not allowed to make an end-run around anything by imposing a penalty that is collected by the IRS.

Too fat? TAXED!!

Insanity.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I’ve said what I want from Romney. A mea culpa on Romneycare and Mike Leavitt fired. And leadership on this issue now and going forward. None of this “oh, he won’t veto something congress gives him” crap. He needs to be out there twisting arms getting the votes to repeal it.

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Ditto. So far, Mittness hasn’t said the majic words. maybe he needs a few more days to ‘come to Jesus’.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

There are pluses to the decision:

- The Commerce Clause was ruled out.

- The Necessary and Proper Clause was ruled out.

And the side effect is that Obama is now responsible for enacting a huge new tax on the Middle Class, along with the Democrats. Because it is a tax, just ruled as such by the SCOTUS.

So that ‘class warfare’ meme can die its own ugly little death off in the corner of Leftistan.

ajacksonian on June 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Yes, point made indeed. You continue to evade points others make and refuse to of defend your statements.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Sure thing Dante, whatever you say. LOL!

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I hope someone on here knows the answer to the question that’s now blistering my…curiosity.

Early on in the dems creating obamacare there was a jail-time penalty for refusal to “participate” – for refusing to buy insurance. Thay had to omit that penalty because it wouldn’t have been permitted under the commerce clause.

So what happens now that this stinking deal is a “tax”? Being a tax means enforcement is within the purview of the IRS, right?

Does this mean anyone refusing to buy health insurance can be charged with tax evasion?

Jailed for tax evasion?

What the hell!!!

They’ll garnish your wages and increase your tax (which is set to increase yearly anyway) before they jail you…

Pest on June 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Mitt must be getting a money b@mb today. I am attempting to contribute and the server is frozen.

Love it.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

WAKE up before then!

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Forgive me, but what do you mean? Weren’t people awake when this POS was being rammed down our throats, and a huge majority of the public was on our side, and there where confrontations at every townhall meeting, and everyone was energized against this monstrosity, and we all attended Tea Party rallies and worked to elect conservatives? what does waking up means now? what’s going to be different?

neuquenguy on June 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Makes sense. TrueCons and Progressives are the two sides of the same delusional coin.

Haldol on June 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM

I was told by someone much wiser than I, “Politics is a circle. Go far enough either way and you’ll come back to the same place.”

At first I thought he was talking out his hat…but he was spot-on.

MelonCollie on June 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

One more chance, this Nov. That’s it.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Yep, one last chance.

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Obama is on air right now doing a victory dance.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

The good Dr. is a Troll. All the sleeper cells have been activated for this thread.

HumpBot Salvation on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

…you were trying to be funny, right?

MelonCollie on June 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

I can’t believe that after the complete debacle named Ross Perot, at this stage of the game knowing what’s at stake people would still consider a useless 3rd party protest vote. That’s all it would be and you know it, a protest vote that means exactly what fills obama’s, pelosi’s, and reids’ skulls…..

The time to argue for a 3rd party candidate’s support was nearly a year ago or more. It does not have traction now and won’t gather any steam outside the margins between now and november. At this point if you aren’t for Romney, you’re for obama.

Wake up and face facts, either obama or Romney will win November, not ANY third party candidate. Protest votes mean nothing except to show how well you can cut off your face to spite your skull.

Wolfmoon on June 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

In 2010 Independents swung to the right by 20 points.

The Republican base may be energized to turn out for Republicans by this ruling. Mitt Romney needs the Independents to turn out. Roberts just threw a wet blanket on the Independent vote.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I’m an indy and support the Tea Party. Many TPers are indy because the R’s are not R enough for them just like me. The indies will be motivated and will drag Romney over the finish line and make him repeal this sh!tbox of a bill.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

what does waking up means now? what’s going to be different?

neuquenguy on June 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

An election.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM

The bottom line is the right has noone to blame but themselves here, they had the chance to work towards a bill that had support from both sides, and in their wisdom of not letting Obama get ANYTHING they chose to fight it entirely instead of working towards a solution.

This is the rights problem, they do this all of the time, they have no room for compromise, instead they want it their way or no way.

And this is what they get.

People of this country want our elected officials to work for us, the right or the left do not hold complete control, they need to work together for the solutions to the issues at hand, not just shove their agenda down peoples throats, or squash everything because their agenda is to defeat the preseident at all costs.

I am not a huge fan of ACA, however something needed to be done, and the right squandered the opportunity of being involved in comeing up with a solution.

damian1967 on June 28, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Only two words in reply to this self-righteous dribble:

Chimpy McBushHitler

Gelsomina on June 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM

The Liar-in-Chief is lying now…

Pest on June 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM

OMG

This $!*#% IS STILL LYING that we’re going to have LOWER health care costs!!!!

Bwaaaaaaa hahahaha

Nana on June 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM

I don’t think we have quite hit the rocks yet. We are extremely close however and it is urgent to make the correction.

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

No. Sorry, but America is done. Did you just hear Mittens’ totally insane response? The guy is worse than McShame was in 2008.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

DrEvil
The word should have been whinging .
Fine , don’t donate to Romney .
Fine , just vote .
I just donated an extra 50$ in your name !

Lucano on June 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Romney is not the candidate I would have preferred. But he is the candidate we have, and I find the relentless attacks on Romney from some on the Right and the Libertarians to be unhelpful, to say the least. I associate the commenter to whom I referred to be among that group. If that is a poor assessment, I am willing to reconsider it.

I will refrain in future from quoting you.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

TEAstands for TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY
The TEA Party is made up of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents because even though we have differing ideas we ALL BELIEVE WE ARE TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!
We have to get rid of the Obama and ALL who think like he does, because they are not Americans.

Delsa on June 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Prepare for the dragon to awaken.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Right. As you rally to vote for the next establishment candidate.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Dante, shouldn’t you be on a different blog? I’m with Mark Levin and would vote for an orange can if it was running against B.O. If you’re an American you should too. So stop bashing Romney because it shows what side of the aisle you are on.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

I don’t like illegal EOs under Obama and I’ll like them even less under Romney. That is the problem – Republicans who act like Democrats in trying to expand the power and scope of the government.

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 12:04 PM

“trying to expand the power and scope of the government” – by repealing obambicare on day one? You really are not that bright now are you.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:10 PM

By using an illegal EOs that give more unchecked power to the government. Like I just said.

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Mitt must be getting a money b@mb today. I am attempting to contribute and the server is frozen.

Love it.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Great. And good for you for donating.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Does this mean anyone refusing to buy health insurance can be charged with tax evasion?

Jailed for tax evasion?

What the hell!!!

GGMac on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM |

Perhaps it is time to go on welfare, can they tax you if you are on welfare?

neuquenguy on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

The good Dr. is a Troll. All the sleeper cells have been activated for this thread.

HumpBot Salvation on June 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

You must be new around here.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Ah! Just at the sight of the Obama swagger I shut off my television…this before a single lyin’ word came out of his mouth.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

The people were not told it was a tax. Legislators did not vote on a tax increase. The cost of Obamacare was not scored with the mandate as a tax.

farsighted on June 28, 2012 at 11:38 AM

More importantly,it was stated directly that this would help in deficit redustion Even the CBO has stated that this will only add to the deficit @ 1trillion +. Expect more downgrades of the credit rating of the United States.

DevilsPrinciple on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I’m just happy I’m no longer young. The healthiest, young people now have to pay for the health care for older unhealthiest people. I guess they deserve it, since they voted for this socialist in large numbers for President. If you are under 30 and healthy, thanks for the gumball. Now get your asses out there and pay for the health care of others suckers!

Dollayo on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

How do you expect to help remove the Communist taint from the white house if you won’t support Romney?

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 11:52 AM

I’ll tell you how:

1. Stop moping at the folks here who don’t care for Mitt. I’m one of them. This doesn’t mean that I don’t hate Oaf’s guts and what he does more.

2. Have Mitt display a pair of really steely ones. He’s been granted another big platinum opportunity with this ruling.

Otherwise, leave us alone. We are strong free citizens and the Mittens make us crzier than the leftards, especially with such poor marketing skills. If I were Mitt I’d fire you all.

Schadenfreude on June 28, 2012 at 11:56 AM

+1000

Romney GOT THIS BALL ROLLING, back in his MA days.

No way in hell Romney will repeal this despite his proclamation this morning. Newt proclaimed this months ago, as his platform. Only idiots can believe Romney’s statement made TODAY. Not yesterday. Not a month ago. TODAY.

Stop lying to yourself. Brokered convention is the only way to go now if we are to save our future. Romney ain’t it. and never was.

riddick on June 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

The so-called “tax” that Roberts so ridiculously and stupidly argued in favor of (like a retard) will all go to pay for illegals turning up at hospitals and getting primo-health care … and then some. Don’t anyone think that there will be any cash left after that is taken care of. Illegals … come to America. It belongs to you, as per our illustrious SCOTUS of idiots.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Lourdes on June 28, 2012 at 11:56 AM

I watched that on Fox and it was a good speech.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Wake up and face facts, either obama or Romney will win November, not ANY third party candidate. Protest votes mean nothing except to show how well you can cut off your face to spite your skull.

Wolfmoon on June 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

The Perot saga is only the tip of the iceberg. All thru our history, major course changes were enacted by the 3rd option. You want a course correction? Then the 3rd party is the vehicle once again.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:22 PM

We are all Subjects, not Citizens.

dczombie on June 28, 2012 at 12:23 PM

And your beloved lefty politicians never lie?

If you’re that stupid, who is reading this blog to you?

Right Mover on June 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM

I am more to the right than you are most likely, but you have been so conditioned to behave a certain way politically that your knee-jerk assumption is label me a lib.

It is this shallow, emotional thinking which is why conservatives get their asses handed to them for decades.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 12:23 PM

No. Sorry, but America is done. Did you just hear Mittens’ totally insane response? The guy is worse than McShame was in 2008.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

No, I didn’t, it matters very little what his response was. What matters are what the American people do this coming election. It won’t help us at this point to have just the House and the Senate. To be sure it is imperative that we do. But we must also be rid of 0.

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Who the hell can stand to listen to this son of a bitch?
I just looked up and he is walking off. I might turn the sound back on.

Delsa on June 28, 2012 at 12:23 PM

DrEvil
The word should have been whinging whining .
Fine , don’t donate to Romney .
Fine , just vote .
I just donated an extra 50$ in your name !

Lucano on June 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Knock yourself out :)

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Romney is not the candidate I would have preferred. But he is the candidate we have, and I find the relentless attacks on Romney from some on the Right and the Libertarians to be unhelpful, to say the least. I associate the commenter to whom I referred to be among that group. If that is a poor assessment, I am willing to reconsider it.

I will refrain in future from quoting you.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

I only ask that you consider that Romney critics, such as myself, are not necessarily trying to dissuade you from voting for him. It’s increasingly looking like I myself, a major critic of Romney’s, will possibly cast my vote for him. However, even if I do, not a day will pass that I will allow anyone to forget just how much of a risk we’re taking with this guy. Look what happened when conservatives let their guard down over a “compassionate conservative”. We ended up electing a guy who committed many big-government atrocities, and was responsible for putting in place the man who upheld ObamaCare.

We are not suggesting that Obama should win. We suggest only that the minute Romney takes office, we treat him with as much scrutiny and suspicion as the scumf**k currently sitting in the Oval Office.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

I’m an indy and support the Tea Party. Many TPers are indy because the R’s are not R enough for them just like me. The indies will be motivated and will drag Romney over the finish line and make him repeal this sh!tbox of a bill.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Right. But you support the President having the power by executive order to vacate a law duly passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court? You want a President with tyrannical power, as long as he has an R after his name, but you don’t support R’s because they aren’t R enough for you?

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Hang on a second: all along, the Dems’ argument was that it isn’t a tax. Today, Roberts said it is. When did the power to tax go from Congress to the SC? Age has made my memory a little hazy: wasn’t holding that the mandate was not a tax one of the ways they used to weasel this through in the first place..?

affenhauer on June 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM

By using an illegal EOs that give more unchecked power to the government. Like I just said.

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Repealing obambicare day one = more unchecked power to the government.

Okey Dokey.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM

“It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it.” — Thomas Sowell

TheLoudTalker on June 28, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Great comment by Sowell. Of course lunatics aren’t very logical:-)

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Do you miss me yet? – King George III

VorDaj on June 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Apparently Roberts and his fellow Lawgivers-In-Black did, because the next stop is the British National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence.

Steve Eggleston on June 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

“If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year, you will not see a single dime of your taxes go up. If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down.”

- Barack Obama, 7 October 2008

“The mandate is a tax.”

- SCOTUS, 28 June 2012

Obama lied. The middle class died.

Resist We Much on June 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

ACTIVELY NOT WATCHING THE LYING DOUCHEB*G.
Will I be taxed for that choice ??

pambi on June 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Dollayo on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Sorry to inform, on our current trajectory, it will not happen. You will be completely without. So there’s that.

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:27 PM

We are not suggesting that Obama should win. We suggest only that the minute Romney takes office, we treat him with as much scrutiny and suspicion as the scumf**k currently sitting in the Oval Office.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

That makes a hell of a lot more sense than dividing the vote with a very late 3rd party candidate fantasy.

Wolfmoon on June 28, 2012 at 12:27 PM

You must be new around here.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I don’t think he is. A lot of relatively sane posters have a bad case of wingnutitis because emotions are running higher than the space shuttle. And, really, can you blame them???

MelonCollie on June 28, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Right. But you support the President having the power by executive order to vacate a law duly passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court? You want a President with tyrannical power, as long as he has an R after his name, but you don’t support R’s because they aren’t R enough for you?

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

+1000. How is that promise any different than Oboobi’s EO banning abortion paid for with Fed funds? People can be so stupak, to believe an EO can cure the ill inflicted by Congress.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Fox saying Obama’s “first reaction will be around 12:15″ today…

I refuse to watch The Liar, listen to him, read his words, any more.

On that, gonna’ go do some work.

Lourdes on June 28, 2012 at 11:59 AM

LOL, and I thot I was the only one that switched channels when he came on. I’ve almost fell off my chair before turning the radio off:-) I’m watching Emeril’s Cooking show at the moment:-)

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

We are not suggesting that Obama should win. We suggest only that the minute Romney takes office, we treat him with as much scrutiny and suspicion as the scumf**k currently sitting in the Oval Office.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

AB-SO-LUTELY! And make DAMNED sure his feet stay singed!

graywaiter on June 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Coward of the Country – Roberts song.

aigle on June 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

We are not suggesting that Obama should win. We suggest only that the minute Romney takes office, we treat him with as much scrutiny and suspicion as the scumf**k currently sitting in the Oval Office.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

+100.

MelonCollie on June 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Honestly, I think Roberts did this to screw Oprompta for the garbage he pulled at the SOTU. He just made the “I will never increase your taxes” guy responsible for the largest tax increase in the history of the planet, and energized the entire “kill the bill” base.

PJ Emeritus on June 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

AB-SO-LUTELY! And make DAMNED sure his feet stay singed!

graywaiter on June 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Or what? Do you guys ever think one-step past this silly political football game?

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Roberts:

Dolchstoß

PopsRacer on June 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

+1000. How is that promise any different than Oboobi’s EO banning abortion paid for with Fed funds? People can be so stupak, to believe an EO can cure the ill inflicted by Congress.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

You should actually look at the way that you spell “stupid” before calling someone else that.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Repealing obambicare day one = more unchecked power to the government.

Okey Dokey.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM

You want a tyrant who agrees with you on policy. I get it. What happens when you don’t agree with the next tyrant?

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Honestly, I think Roberts did this to screw Oprompta for the garbage he pulled at the SOTU. He just made the “I will never increase your taxes” guy responsible for the largest tax increase in the history of the planet, and energized the entire “kill the bill” base.

PJ Emeritus on June 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Yup. And that’s why Ruthie is pissed that her and her lefty compadres were co-opted into agreeing that Oboobie lied and ObamneyCare is gonna die.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I only ask that you consider that Romney critics, such as myself, are not necessarily trying to dissuade you from voting for him. It’s increasingly looking like I myself, a major critic of Romney’s, will possibly cast my vote for him. However, even if I do, not a day will pass that I will allow anyone to forget just how much of a risk we’re taking with this guy. Look what happened when conservatives let their guard down over a “compassionate conservative”. We ended up electing a guy who committed many big-government atrocities, and was responsible for putting in place the man who upheld ObamaCare.

We are not suggesting that Obama should win. We suggest only that the minute Romney takes office, we treat him with as much scrutiny and suspicion as the scumf**k currently sitting in the Oval Office.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

I agree 100% with your last paragraph. I will work my a$$ to elect Romney and then hold his feet to the fire once elected.

HOwever what risk are we taking with Romney? The primary is over. It’s either Romney or Obama.

Comparaed to Obama, it’s a no brainer.

This is make or break time. Voting for ROmney isn’t good enough, we need to support him, make phone calls, donate, knock on doors..etc.

If you don’t like what I’m sayig then don’t respond, but it’s the truth and you know it.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Good Romney response.

pambi on June 28, 2012 at 11:58 AM

It was good. I do hope as time goes on, he does harp on the fact that Obama raised taxes on the American people big time. Maybe he’s saving it for the debates or the convention, but that needs to be a key theme in this campaign.

Doughboy on June 28, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Oh, I’m sure his Team is making the ads right now. Anti-Tax vs. Pro-Tax, LOL Romney vs Obama on this!! How is B.O. going to defend a massive tax in the middle of this depression/no jobs/housing losses/cost of living increases, etc.?

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM

So – HOW MUCH did Ed and Allahpundit HELP in this whole situation?

Mostly – Allahpundit incited for the Enemy, and Ed was no help at all.

No help at all.

williamg on June 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM

“If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year, you will not see a single dime of your taxes go up. If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down.”

- Barack Obama, 7 October 2008

“The mandate is a tax.”

- SCOTUS, 28 June 2012

Obama lied. The middle class died.

Resist We Much on June 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

When you remember that in the ObamiNation, the middle class consists solely of unionized workers (preferably government union), and they all have negotiated employer-provided health-care insurance,….

Steve Eggleston on June 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM

PopsRacer on June 28, 2012 at 12:30 PM

im Rücken…

affenhauer on June 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM

You want a tyrant who agrees with you on policy. I get it. What happens when you don’t agree with the next tyrant?

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM

You are wasting your time. They are too busy acting tough and convincing no one but themselves.

ClassicCon on June 28, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I only ask that you consider that Romney critics, such as myself, are not necessarily trying to dissuade you from voting for him. It’s increasingly looking like I myself, a major critic of Romney’s, will possibly cast my vote for him. However, even if I do, not a day will pass that I will allow anyone to forget just how much of a risk we’re taking with this guy. Look what happened when conservatives let their guard down over a “compassionate conservative”. We ended up electing a guy who committed many big-government atrocities, and was responsible for putting in place the man who upheld ObamaCare.

I simply cannot fathom how anyone who considers himself to be a Conservative could consider not voting for Romney, effectively advancing the electoral prospects of Barack Hussein Obama. Romney’s past politics are troubling, but there is no comparison between him and the anti-American Obama.

We are not suggesting that Obama should win. We suggest only that the minute Romney takes office, we treat him with as much scrutiny and suspicion as the scumf**k currently sitting in the Oval Office.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM

On this point, we are in agreement.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 12:34 PM

You should actually look at the way that you spell “stupid” before calling someone else that.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM

“Stupak” is intentional. Do you even know what an EO is? An EO is NOT the tool for countermanding a duly passed law. Romney intends to stupak you the way Oboobi did Stupid.

AH_C on June 28, 2012 at 12:34 PM

DrEvil ,
Whinging is a word , quit the correction stuff .
Glad you appreciated the bucks ! ; )

Lucano on June 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Well I’m off to mail three boxes of goodies to one of our Military commenters stationed in Afghanistan. 0 care does not stop my like from moving forward. Yet.

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM

like=life

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Dante, had you only been able to provide me an answer to my original question to you about the video I asked you to watch. Not only would you have a greater understanding of my nature and take on things. But perhaps even your own. Being rigid is not flattering. I’ll leave it at that.

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Beautifully put :)…

jimver on June 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Can someone answer this question? Is there a specified sixe of the tax or a specific formula for arriving at the size of the tax in this bill? If there is not, then NO monies can be collected until Congress authorizes, by amount, by rate, or by formulawhat a non insurer must pay. Congress, not te Sec of HHS. So is there an amount or formula in this law?

xkaydet65 on June 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

12:17 pm ET June 28, 2012

FULL TRANSCRIPT: Read Mitt Romney’s Response to Supreme Court’s Health Care Ruling

“As you might imagine I disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision, and I agree with the dissent, what the court did not do on its last day in session, I will do on my first day if elected President of t he United States, and that is I will act to repel Obama Care. Lets be clear about what the court did and did not do. The court said that Obama care does not violate the Constitution. What they did not do was say Obama-care was a good law or its good policy, Obama care is bad policy yesterday, its bad policy today.

Obama care was bad law yesterday, it’s bad law today. Let me tell why I said that, Obama care raises taxes on the American people by approximately 500 billion dollars, Obamacare cuts medicare, cuts medicare by approximately 500 billion dollars and even with those cuts and tax increases, Obama care raises billions to our national debt and pushes obligation the oncoming generations. Obamacare also means for up to 20 million Americans they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and want to keep.

Obamacare is a job killer, businesses across the country have been asked what they think of Obama care, 3 quarters of those survived by the chamber of commerce said Obamacare makes it less likely for them to hire people. And perhaps most troubling of all, Obamacare puts you between the Federal government and your doctor. For all those reasons its important for us to repeal and replace Obamacare. What are some of the things we will keep in place? And must be in place for a reform, a real reform of the healthcare system. One we have to make sure people who want to keep their current insurance will be able to do so. Having 20 million people, up to that number of people, lose the insurance they want is simply unacceptable.

Number two, we’ve got to make sure that those people who have preexisting conditions know that they will be able to be insured. And they will not lose their insurance. We also have to assure that we do our very best to help each state in their efforts to assure that every American has access to affordable health care. And something that Obamacare does not do that must be done in real reform is helping lower the cost of health care and health insurance. It’s becoming prohibitively expensive.

And so this is now a time for the American people to make a choice. You can choose whether you want to have a larger and larger government more and more intrusive in your life. Separating you and your doctor. Whether you’re comfortable with more deficits. Higher debt that will be passed onto the coming generations. Whether you’re willing to have the government put in place a plan that potentially causes you to lose the insurance that you like.

Or whether instead you want to return to a time when the American people will have their own choice in health care. Where consumers will be able to make their choices as to what kind of health insurance they want. This is a time of choice for the American people. Our mission is clear. If we want to get rid of Obamacare, we’re going to have to replace President Obama.

My mission is to make sure that we do exactly that. That we return to the American people the privilege they’ve always had that lived their lives that they feel most appropriate. Where we don’t pass onto coming generations massive deficits and debt. Where we don’t have a setting where jobs are lost.

If we want good jobs and bright economic future for ourselves and for our kids, we must replace Obamacare. That is my mission. That is our work. And I’m asking the people of America to join me. If you don’t want the course that President Obama has put us on, if you want instead a course that the founders envisioned, then join me in this effort. Help us. Help us defeat Obamacare. Help us defeat the liberal agenda that makes government too big, too intrusive and is killing jobs across this country. Thank you very much.”

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/06/28/full-transcript-read-mitt-romneys-response-to-supreme-courts-health-care-ruling/

12:07 pm ET June 28, 2012

Mitt Romney: My Mission Is to Replace Obama and Repeal Obamacare

(Video)

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/06/28/mitt-romney-my-mission-is-to-replace-obama-and-repeal-obamacare/

GOP Responses!!

11:51 am ET June 28, 2012

Rubio: If You Don’t Buy Health Insurance, the IRS Is Going to Come After You

VIDEO

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/06/28/rubio-if-you-dont-buy-health-insurance-the-irs-is-going-to-come-after-you/

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

You want a tyrant who agrees with you on policy. I get it. What happens when you don’t agree with the next tyrant?

besser tot als rot on June 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM

You mean like now. I go vote and campaign for a new candidate.

VegasRick on June 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

correction sixw =size

xkaydet65 on June 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

If you can say that after today’s SCOTUS’S ruling, then you must be in the Obama camp. That’s all I can conclude.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Then you need to expand your thinking.

Dante on June 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Nothing wrong with my thinking. I’ve read your comments before and it appears you have an open mind. That means any garbage can fall in and it seems it has.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Oh and for all of you down in the dumps over this. Try this. Send a box of love to one of our Military personnel. Here is an address for one of HA’s own.

G Moyes
4th ID – 4BSTB – S2
FOB Mehtar Lam
APO AE 09310

Trust me, it will brighten everyones day. ; )

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Isnt it funny that the right thought they had it in the bag on ACA and Arizone, and lost both of them.

But they still argue that the rule of law is not being followed, when the highest court in the land says otherwise.

Face it, your on the wrong side of the law, you think you know it all, and even your beloved right wing cheif justice couldnt find a way to vote for your side in both circumstances, because the rule of law was being followed.

damian1967 on June 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Mitt must be getting a money b@mb today. I am attempting to contribute and the server is frozen.

Love it.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I heard $300,000 in the first hour after the decision was announced.

lynncgb on June 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM

So – HOW MUCH did Ed and Allahpundit HELP in this whole situation?

Mostly – Allahpundit incited for the Enemy, and Ed was no help at all.

No help at all.

williamg on June 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I’d like to see some anger over the Scotus putting the Constitution in the shredder this morning but I haven’t really seen that from Allah or Ed.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Thanks canopfor for this and all of your other hard work of posting links!! I need to take a break and eat!! Hope you will too:-)

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM

I simply cannot fathom how anyone who considers himself to be a Conservative could consider not voting for Romney, effectively advancing the electoral prospects of Barack Hussein Obama.

novaculus on June 28, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I can only say that the decision has never been one that I made lightly, nor one that truly puts my mind at ease. It was entirely based on not supporting someone who has clearly expressed opposition to myself on key issues, such as gun control, socialized medicine, and abortion. I’m young, and I’m idealistic. We’re always taking principled stands that, for most, will wear off by the time we hit our late 30s.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM

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