Boom: House votes to hold AG Eric Holder in contempt

posted at 4:51 pm on June 28, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

For the first time ever, the House of Representatives voted Thursday on whether to hold a sitting attorney general in contempt of Congress. Republicans brought the vote to the House floor in an effort to force Attorney General Eric Holder to finally face the music for his willful failure to fully comply with a Congressional subpoena of documents relating to Operation Fast & Furious, the not-botched gunwalking scandal that resulted in the death of a U.S. border patrol agent and countless Mexicans — and face the music Holder did. The House voted 255-67 to hold Eric Holder in contempt.

During the pre-vote debate, Minority Leader Pelosi accused the Republicans of playing “heinous,” “frivolous” political games, and even encouraged the members of her party to walk out on the vote: “I’m very moved by the members of the Congressional Black Caucus who say they are going to walk out on this,” she said on the House floor. “Walk out on this. Perhaps that’s the best way. …I urge my colleagues to vote ‘no’ or not vote.” Her oh-so-rousing call to protest, however, didn’t inspire quite the solidarity she was probably looking for: Over 100 Democrats didn’t vote, but at least 17 Democrats defected and joined Republicans in the contempt charge.

Developing…

Update: Yep, looks like 110 members decided not to vote — the CBC explained their reasoning for walking out earlier:

“Contempt power should be used sparingly, carefully and only in the most egregious situations,” said a letter from the 42-member Congressional Black Caucus to colleagues. “The Republican leadership has articulated no legislative purpose for pursuing this course of action. For these reasons, we cannot and will not participate in a vote to hold the attorney general in contempt.”

Regardless, after 18 months of investigating and subsequent stonewalling, this is officially moving forward. Technically, when you’re found in criminal contempt, you’re subject to a hefty fine or even arrest, and your case would go to a DC district court via the Justice Department — but the obvious problem here is that Holder is the head of the DOJ. The House is now getting set to vote on whether to hold Holder in civil contempt, so the Oversight Committee can hire their own lawyers to file a civil lawsuit to prosecute the attorney general. Another update to follow…

Update: Heh. If you missed the House floor debate, BuzzFeed has a nice round-up of the gist of it — good times, good times.

Update: Ughh, of course. Here’s part of the White House‘s all-too-foreseeable response to the contempt vote:

The problem of gunwalking was a field-driven tactic that dated back to the George W. Bush Administration, and it was this Administration’s Attorney General who ended it. Attorney General Holder has said repeatedly that fighting criminal activity along the Southwest Border – including the illegal trafficking of guns to Mexico has been is a top priority of the Department. Eric Holder has been an excellent Attorney General and just yesterday the Chairman of the House Oversight Committee acknowledged that he had no evidence – or even the suspicion – that the Attorney General knew of the misguided tactics used in this operation.

Yet, Republicans pushed for political theater rather than legitimate Congressional oversight. Over the past fourteen months, the Justice Department accommodated Congressional investigators, producing 7,600 pages of documents, and testifying at eleven Congressional hearings. In an act of good faith, this week the Administration made an additional offer which would have resulted in the Committee getting unprecedented access to documents dispelling any notion of an intent to mislead. But unfortunately, a politically-motivated agenda prevailed and instead of engaging with the President in efforts to create jobs and grow the economy, today we saw the House of Representatives perform a transparently political stunt.

Update: The aye’s have it — the House just followed up on their criminal contempt vote with an affirmative civil contempt vote, which will allow them to hire their own counsel to challenge President Obama’s invocation of executive privilege. Which, as Rep. Trey Gowdy explained in a video this morning, they’re ready and rarin’ to do:

Update: And here’s Attorney General Eric Holder’s response soon after learning that he is now in contempt of Congress. The vote was “reckless,” “politically motivated,” rabble rabble rabble:


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I’m confused.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Tell us something we don’t know.

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 5:32 PM

It has gender identity issues?

Bishop on June 28, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Does not make today better for us. This does not cheer me up in the least.

Ca97 on June 28, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Me neither.

Right Mover on June 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Wow, a whole 20. That’s approx. 5% of all House Dems. Sounds like a stampede.

Or GOP self-delusion.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Notice how when ONE Republican crosses the aisle the result qualifies as “bipartisan”, but when 20 Dems come to their senses, it’s all just “delusion”.

bifidis offers the proof that Liberalism is the ultimate form of self-delusion.

LaserBeam on June 28, 2012 at 5:55 PM

it seems like a lot of Hot Gassers on the Right don’t get the brilliance of what Roberts did.

It wasn’t brilliance but hubris. He decided to act like Solomon, but ended up cutting the baby in half.

Socratease on June 28, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Thanks. You just proved my point!

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Wow, a whole 20. That’s approx. 5% of all House Dems. Sounds like a stampede.

Or GOP self-delusion.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM

ROFL

Two GOP’ers support the stimulus = BIPARTISANSHIP!

Twenty ‘rats support the contempt charge = Whatever, doesn’t matter.

Bishop on June 28, 2012 at 5:57 PM

I’d gladly trade Holder’s contempt charge for the lives lost. But he did the crime and he needs to do the time.

Immolate on June 28, 2012 at 5:58 PM

We have Romney solely to blame for this being law.
Romney is a @#$%ing Mormon!

Steveangell on June 28, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Steve… go put on your white dress (and matching pointed hat), have a drink and go burn a cross somewhere. We know you’re pissed (and insane). We’re pissed too (though not for the same reasons), but at this rate, you’re going to rupture an artery flooding your brain with your precious “pure aryan blood”.

Chill, aight?

Alberta_Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Drunks often get people’s names wrong.

Solaratov on June 28, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Woah, woah, woah.

That’s uncalled for.

Apologize to all the drunks you besmirched by associating them with that vile woman.

ButterflyDragon on June 28, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Wow, a whole 20. That’s approx. 5% of all House Dems. Sounds like a stampede.

Or GOP self-delusion.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM

And when one Republican votes, its bi-partisan.

Been handing the smelling salts to Obama lately?

itsspideyman on June 28, 2012 at 6:00 PM

So, when will the Sargent At Arms put the cuffs on Meerkat?

Mr. Arrogant on June 28, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Why do you let so many threads die after you present your data and/or open ended argument?

rogerb on June 14, 2012 at 11:37 PM

 

Which threads are those?

libfreeordie on June 14, 2012 at 11:44 PM

rogerb on June 28, 2012 at 6:00 PM

H RES 706 YEA-AND-NAY 28-Jun-2012 5:34 PM
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Resolution
BILL TITLE: Authorizing the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform to initiate or intervene in judicial proceedings to enforce certain subpoenas

—- YEAS 258 —

—- NAYS 95 —

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll442.xml

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Thank you, as always, canopfor

kim roy on June 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I’m confused.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:28 PM

A not-unusual condition for leftards.

Solaratov on June 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Well both of you scooped Drudge it appears. Too bad it had to be something this tragic. Where is Fox with all of their “Alerts”?

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 5:52 PM

bluefox:

I fully agree on the alerts,and Drudge gets the same News Feeds,
I happen to have two News Feeds windows open,so as soon as it pops
up,I alert tips.And I have the windows open,periodically checking
every half minute!

Yes,I agree,the Fort Bragg is tragic:)

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Hey Eric Holder. The congress of the United States has voted you in comtempt. What do you do next?

“I’m going to Disney World!”

mechkiller_k on June 28, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Not just lefties. I’ve been out all day so missed the epic threads, but it seems like a lot of Hot Gassers on the Right don’t get the brilliance of what Roberts did.

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Could you please enlighten us? I’m a little slow.

Mr. Arkadin on June 28, 2012 at 6:04 PM

House votes to impose contempt TAX on AG Eric Holder … oh, what a minute ….

Pork-Chop on June 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM

House votes to impose contempt TAX on AG Eric Holder … oh, WAIT a minute ….

Pork-Chop on June 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM

100 Dems walked out of the vote in protest. Well at least they did not flee the country like their brethern at the state level have done.

mechkiller_k on June 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM

It has gender identity issues?

Bishop on June 28, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Bishop:Now I’m confused,

is that Up,or Down Twinkles,in regards to BifDis!:)

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Here in 2012, it is interesting to see the comments about Fast and Furious as a trumped up political brouhaha. Here are a few quotes from the 1970′s from before the Watergate scandal broke wide open:

“I can say categorically that… no one in the White House staff, no one in this Administration, presently employed, was involved in this very bizarre incident.” Richard Nixon

“a third rate burglary attempt”. Ron Ziegler, Nixon press secretary

” I am not a crook.” Richard Nixon

If you or I wrote a letter to Congress, testified about the content surrounding it, and then admitted it was false 9 months letter we’d be in plea bargain negotiations if not already in jail.

Anyone who cares about the rule of law has a vested interest in seeing that those who would ignore it are held to account even when they’re the attorney general.

MessesWithTexas on June 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Been handing the smelling salts to Obama lately?

itsspideyman on June 28, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Smelling salts or bath salts?

mechkiller_k on June 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Since when does walking out and NOT voting amount to support? It certainly looks like the reps that did not vote just don’t want to have their “support” recorded.

As Eric Holder I would’ve felt a lot more supported if my homies had voted “nay” instead of running and hiding.

2L8 on June 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Thank you, as always, canopfor

kim roy on June 28, 2012 at 6:02 PM

kim roy:Your very welcome,all the Yays and nays are posted
(3)of them,and the response from the White House Press
Release is on page 1 or 2!———–:)

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM

House votes to impose contempt TAX on AG Eric Holder … oh, WAIT a minute ….

Pork-Chop on June 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM

He will gladly pay the $2000, and expense it.

pedestrian on June 28, 2012 at 6:12 PM

That’s approx. 5% of all House Dems. Sounds like a stampede.

Or GOP self-delusion.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Amazing math skills from a leftist. If 20 is 5%, then the Dems have 400 representatives in the house. It’s super surprising that simple math is beyond you.

strictnein on June 28, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Did conservatives ever answer for those minutemen murders?

libfreeordie on June 25, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Did you ever get those fine folks at Morehouse straightened out ?

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Time to start mass destruction of documents at DOJ.

I’m thinking a tidy little fire in the file room, and a few “overheated”/shorted out computer servers that, tragically, burn to the ground.

Or, maybe nuke DOJ from space. Only way to be sure.

“Fawn Hall, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Fawn Hall…..”

iurockhead on June 28, 2012 at 6:16 PM

100 Dems walked out of the vote in protest. Well at least they did not flee the country like their brethern at the state level have done.

mechkiller_k on June 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Would that have been so bad?

midgeorgian on June 28, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Not just lefties. I’ve been out all day so missed the epic threads, but it seems like a lot of Hot Gassers on the Right don’t get the brilliance of what Roberts did.

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Could you please enlighten us? I’m a little slow.

Mr. Arkadin on June 28, 2012 at 6:04 PM

There was a good discussion in an article at SLATE, but I like this one by Joseph Curl of the Washington Times.

Excerpt:

In voting to uphold Mr. Obama’s disastrous health-care overhaul, the chief justice took away the president’s main line of attack that surely would have been deployed had the court voted 5-4, along party lines. The Divider in Chief, already bent on stoking cultural warfare — upper-middle class vs. lower-middle class, white against black against Hispanic, gay against straight, believers against non-believers — had no doubt hoped to win one more target for his bilious bifurcation.

Were the five justices appointed by Republican president to have stuck together in opposition, Mr. Obama would have toured the country (at taxpayer expense) to decry the court’s action as nothing more than an act political usurpation — how dare those five men take away the will of the people?!

But Justice Roberts did just the opposite (and, bonus, also strictly adhere to the original intent of the Constitution). Obamacare is unconstitutional if it were to be enacted via the Commerce Clause, but not if it’s simply a tax, the justice wrote. “Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness.”

In so doing, Justice Roberts has just busted Campaign 2012 wide open. The high court’s ruling leaves in place 21 tax increases costing nearly $700 billion. Of those taxes, 12 would affect families earning less than $250,000 per year.

The part I bolded mimics the main point the SLATE article did.
Namely, that Roberts nuked the Commerce Clause “logic” of O’bamacare, which will be useful in the future.

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM

If 20 is 5%, then the Dems have 400 representatives in the house. It’s super surprising that simple math is beyond you.
 
strictnein on June 28, 2012 at 6:12 PM

 
95% of math is racist.

rogerb on June 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Since when does walking out and NOT voting amount to support? It certainly looks like the reps that did not vote just don’t want to have their “support” recorded.

As Eric Holder I would’ve felt a lot more supported if my homies had voted “nay” instead of running and hiding.

2L8 on June 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Yep. But then quite a few of them are worried about their own re-election and/or problems so hiding seemed the best self-defense. Basically they threw Holder under the bus.

Deanna on June 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Really? The embodiment of all evil? An entity who’s only wish is for all human life to experience eternal torment in hell. You’d vote for that over Obama? Dude……

libfreeordie on June 28, 2012 at 4:55 PM

He’s a conservative slave and that’s what they do. John Boehner will rationalize an argument to him that somehow Satan is a capitalist who knows more about the economy – would be more transparent about government – and more responsible with taxpayer dollars …

And he’ll just run right into that voting booth – all glassy-eyed and pull the lever for beelzebub!! LOL

HondaV65 on June 28, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Bmore on June 28, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Amazing math skills from a leftist. If 20 is 5%, then the Dems have 400 representatives in the house. It’s super surprising that simple math is beyond you.

strictnein on June 28, 2012 at 6:12 PM

A simple typo — sorry to spoil up your stereotype. Pick 5, 10, or 20% — either way, the vote is inconsequential.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Basically they threw Holder under the bus.

Deanna on June 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM

lol, “Basically“? C’mon don’t be nice to a fault – give ‘em both barrels like they can handle it, even though we know they cannot!! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 28, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Obama and Holder are already working something out with Roberts.

Daemonocracy on June 28, 2012 at 6:25 PM

canopfor on June 28, 2012 at 6:03 PM

I just checked Drudge at 6:25PM EDT and it’s still not there.

I’ve always assumed you had 5 or 6 monitors and a powerful PC with multiple windows open:-) You do a great job. Maybe you could or should have your own website!!

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 6:26 PM

A simple typo — sorry to spoil up your stereotype. Pick 5, 10, or 20% — either way, the vote is inconsequential.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Not to Brian Terry’s family, you steaming pile of sh!t.

HornetSting on June 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM

The vote was “reckless,”

But how many people died because if it, Holder?

magicbeans on June 28, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Could you please enlighten us? I’m a little slow.

Mr. Arkadin on June 28, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Well, I must be in the same “slowboat”, LOL
Mark Levin is not impressed with the Roberts ruling either. He’s said it was a disaster. It’s not a tax when it comes to the Anti-injuction act because no one has been taxed and it wasn’t a tax to begin with. But it’s a tax now. Confused? Well, I’m not the only one. I can’t see any advantage other than Congress can mandate anything they wish as long as they call it a tax.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Fracking Holder. His actions let to the unnecessary death of an American citizen. He should be tried for criminal negligence and flogged.

john1schn on June 28, 2012 at 6:32 PM

The Great One:

A few hours ago the House voted to put Holder in contempt, this morning john roberts voted to hold us all in contempt!!

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Funny I wrote a 700 commentary, submitted it to over 8 newspapers saying that this is Watergate with a body count but it’s yet to be published for some reason…

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM

lol, “Basically“? C’mon don’t be nice to a fault – give ‘em both barrels like they can handle it, even though we know they cannot!! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on June 28, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Yeah that’s me. My son says I’m too nice. Well we had the Fleebaggers in Wisconsin, I’m sure we can come up with something to call this lovely group. LOL

Deanna on June 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Go-in’ Down!

Party Time!

My friends are going to be there too…..

(ya murderous pr!ck)

Tim_CA on June 28, 2012 at 6:36 PM

HornetSting on June 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Life has no meaning to Liberals if it gets in the way of their agenda.

gator70 on June 28, 2012 at 6:37 PM

HornetSting on June 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Life has no meaning to Liberals if it gets in the way of their agenda.

gator70 on June 28, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Neither does common sense.

HornetSting on June 28, 2012 at 6:38 PM

The part I bolded mimics the main point the SLATE article did.
Namely, that Roberts nuked the Commerce Clause “logic” of O’bamacare, which will be useful in the future.

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM

The future is now in the way of Congress writing any legislation and if it becomes law and it’s called a tax, then that’s ok.
Broccoli anyone? A Volt anyone? It’s still a Mandate. That was the issue, not how it was to be funded. Whether under the Commerce Clause or a Tax. I must be missing something since I don’t see where ruling any Mandate is permissable as long as it’s a tax.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 6:38 PM

I’m confused.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:28 PM

errr..You spelled ‘A F&@#*NG IDIOT’ wrong.

BigWyo on June 28, 2012 at 6:39 PM

A simple typo — sorry to spoil up your stereotype. Pick 5, 10, or 20% — either way, the vote is inconsequential.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Sounds like someone got their DNC talking points today.

Moose Drool on June 28, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Steadman – ” YOU LIED “

FlaMurph on June 28, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Operation Fast & Furious, the not-botched gunwalking scandal that resulted in the death of a U.S. border patrol agent and countless Mexicans

This is exactly the right way to put Obama and Holder’s crimes.

VorDaj on June 28, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Do you miss me yet? I only killed one person. (Ted Kennedy)

VorDaj on June 28, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Can’t wait to see housing prices and manufacturing orders rise.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Yeah, sure.

Maybe you haven’t heard it, but your messiah decided to tax the middle class into oblivion. #ObamacareTax

Gelsomina on June 28, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Do you miss me yet? I only killed a couple of dozen people. (Ted Bundy)

VorDaj on June 28, 2012 at 6:51 PM

So, after the gut shot this morning, I actually didn’t care about this anymore. I am trying to care. I”m trying to remember I should care.

But let’s face it, today the constitution was shredded. Our government is in contempt of the people. Why should anyone be surprised that our officials are contemptible?

The corruption is so overwhelming and complete, and my despair so deep, I just don’t really hold any hope that anything is going to get better in any meaningful way.

Yeah, Eric Holder is a dirt bag. Woopdee doo. So is the chief justice of the United States. So is the President. So are dozens and dozens of senators and congressmen. So hare dozens of judges. Is he really any worse? More brazen in some ways, but the damage he’s doing isn’t any worse than a congress that doesn’t put together a budget. That passes law after law infringing on our liberty. Not worse than Judges who let government enslave us.

What’s to get worked up over really?

Nothing is going to change.

WashingtonsWake on June 28, 2012 at 6:51 PM

When you break laws and ignore the will of the people while claiming to the peoples representative whose primary job is to uphold and enforce the law, what ensues?

Anarchy

conservativecaveman on June 28, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Technically, when you’re found in criminal contempt, you’re subject to a hefty fine or even arrest

Issa should send Josh Randall after both Holder and Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUROZEmC1WQ&feature=related

VorDaj on June 28, 2012 at 6:53 PM

The part I bolded mimics the main point the SLATE article did.
Namely, that Roberts nuked the Commerce Clause “logic” of O’bamacare, which will be useful in the future.

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Oh dear, I thought you had something new. This is the same pablum I’ve been hearing all day.

Roberts didn’t nuke the Commerce Clause today; he put a pretty little picket fence around it, way way off in the distance. It’s an outer boundry we haven’t got to yet. That boundry’s hardly been shrunk, so there is still plenty of room for the Left to get up to mischief and still use that justification. They’ve been happily increasing the size and power of government and impinging upon freedom well within Robert’s new fence, and will continue to do so.

What Roberts did today was remove any assumed limits on the taxation power. You want to move outside the limits of the Commerce Clause? Well, call it a tax!

Better yet, don’t call it a tax, get your legislation passed, and we (SCOTUS) will call it a tax for you! We’re here to help!

Stop caramel coating this sh*t apple, ‘caus that’s what it is.

Mr. Arkadin on June 28, 2012 at 6:54 PM

— either way, the vote is inconsequential.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Have you any idea just how stupid and whiney that sounds after all the times you leftoid drones have tried to call one Republican voting with you democRATS “bipartisan?

Eat your heart out, pismire.
All the dnc talking points in the world won’t change facts.

Solaratov on June 28, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Obama and Holder have killed hundreds of Mexicans and that’s just the count from the guns they ran that were recovered, which is probably only a very small percentage of the increasing total. They have committed a slow motion 9/11 against Mexican civilians and need to be called to account and punished for it.

VorDaj on June 28, 2012 at 6:58 PM

WashingtonsWake on June 28, 2012 at 6:51 PM

And I find so little solice knowing that most people feel this way.

conservativecaveman on June 28, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Which is worse, the hundreds dead because of Holder and Obama administration, or the millions that will die because of Roberts and the Obama Administration?

WashingtonsWake on June 28, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Congressional Black Caucus?

No no no……the CBC is the

COMMUNIST Black Caucus!!!!

Viva Fidel!!!!

Viva Hugo!!!!

Viva Obama!!!!

Viva Freebies!!!!

PappyD61 on June 28, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Let us then in that case see how the ruling on the Affordable Care Act stands up when worded thusly.

See §5000A(b). That, according to the Government, means the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition—not owning health insurance A Firearm—that triggers a tax—the required payment to the IRS. Under that theory, the mandate is not a legal command to buy insurance a Firearm. Rather, it makes going without insurance a Firearm just another thing the Government taxes, like buying gasoline or earn-ing income.

SWalker on June 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM

What’s to get worked up over really?

Nothing is going to change.

WashingtonsWake on June 28, 2012 at 6:51 PM

I sense your despair and understand your reasoning. I’m not there yet. There are many people that don’t approve of what this Administration has been doing. Many have provided information at great risk to their lives. Why? So those that can remedy this evil can and will. How many things that have been hidden have now come to light? It’s not accidental and it’s for a purpose.

Don’t give up. Let’s support those that are trying to right this wrong. And pray that they are given wisdom as they proceed.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM

And I find so little solice knowing that most people feel this way.

conservativecaveman on June 28, 2012 at 7:00 PM

I’m trying to care. It is just really difficult. It grows harder and harder to see how republicans are any better than democrats. Is it really going to change anything if Republicans are in control? They’ll tap the breaks before we go over the cliff?

At some point, this is going to get ugly – really really ugly. At some point, a lot of people are going to be hurt.

I’m not at all convinced that any vote is going to change the makeup of the government in any way that leads us back.

I’m trying to find some shred of something to believe – but, faith is in short supply.

I don’t actually care that Holder was FOUND in contempt. he WAS in contempt regardless what the vote said. The fact that democrats (and 2 republicans) can’t just admit that, is sickening. He’s a felon. But then again, so was Clinton, and democrats circled the wagons on that too – with the help of several republicans.

There is no possible outcome of this that makes my life better or fixes anything in the United States. Not saying they shouldn’t have voted as they did and of course they should proceed forward. But, all I can seem to muster is a shrug. Yes, Holder IS contemptible. I knew it before the vote.

WashingtonsWake on June 28, 2012 at 7:06 PM

The Great One:

A few hours ago the House voted to put Holder in contempt, this morning john roberts voted to hold us all in contempt!!

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 6:33 PM

I heard that and he’s right. I’m trying really hard to follow Levin, but not being an attorney it is a little difficult at times:-) I listen to him almost every night he’s on.

Something he said about the dissent opinions has prompted me to read them. I think I’ll be able to understand better what Roberts did that was so terrible. Your thoughts?

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Over 100 Democrats didn’t vote, but at least 17 Democrats defected and joined Republicans in the contempt charge.

Yahoo! headline:

In a party-line vote, the House holds Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress.

Spliff Menendez on June 28, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Here’s hoping it goes to civil court and we get to find out why the WH willingly risked owning the first AG to be held in contempt.

If they could have cut bait and run they would have a long time ago. They would have thrown it under the bus harvester and with 90″ tires the driver wouldn’t have felt a bump.

CorporatePiggy on June 28, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Big deal

He’s here to stay at least till Obama gets reelected

Conservative4ev on June 28, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Over 100 Democrats didn’t vote, but at least 17 Democrats defected and joined Republicans in the contempt charge.

More bipartisan than the Obamacare tax.

rbj on June 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM

17 times as bipartisan, then.

tom on June 28, 2012 at 7:13 PM

The part I bolded mimics the main point the SLATE article did.
Namely, that Roberts nuked the Commerce Clause “logic” of O’bamacare, which will be useful in the future.

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Please don’t tell me you buy into this stupid line of thinking??!!

We had the whole entire obamacare defeated.. commerce clause and all, yet Roberts single-handily revived it by making stuff up yet that’s a victory??

What’s the point of trying to repeal it in future when it COULD’VE been defeated today???

See how stupid that sounds??

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Don’t give up. Let’s support those that are trying to right this wrong. And pray that they are given wisdom as they proceed.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM

There might be 6 people in all of the Federal Gov’t who are trying to right this wrong.

America is done. You know it, I know it. There isn’t anyone I can think of who is in Washington to better America. They are there to feed their egos, boost their portfolios, and get them some of that sweet, sweet taxpayer money that they will never be held accountable for stealing.

People like to say they will be held accountable in November… HA! They will be held accountable when they are in jail, which we all know will never happen.

Spliff Menendez on June 28, 2012 at 7:16 PM

About danged time. I can’t think of anyone more contemptible than Eric “Mark Rich/FALN/Fast & Furious Who?” Holder.

Lammo on June 28, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I heard that and he’s right. I’m trying really hard to follow Levin, but not being an attorney it is a little difficult at times:-) I listen to him almost every night he’s on.

Something he said about the dissent opinions has prompted me to read them. I think I’ll be able to understand better what Roberts did that was so terrible. Your thoughts?

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Yeah Levin can be a bit technical at times….

Simply put though.. Roberts is full of it. The creators of obamacare argued it wasn’t a tax. THen when it couldn’t be made out as constitutional under the commerce clause he made up some BS calling it a tax.

So basically if the gov’t wants you to do or buy something all they need to do is tax you as a punishment to force you to do what they want.

For something to be considered a tax it must be one of the following:

Direct or capitation tax (on the individual) … each state pays it’s portion base on population.

Excise tax: where there is some form of financial activity.

Income tax: 16th amendment

Where does obamacare fit in??? It DOESN’T !!

Roberts answer was to say “let’s not fiddle around with labels”.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 7:21 PM

What Roberts did today was remove any assumed limits on the taxation power. You want to move outside the limits of the Commerce Clause? Well, call it a tax!

Better yet, don’t call it a tax, get your legislation passed, and we (SCOTUS) will call it a tax for you! We’re here to help!

Stop caramel coating this sh*t apple, ‘caus that’s what it is.

Mr. Arkadin on June 28, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I agree and that’s how I’ve read it. I also noticed this is the wrong thread for this and it’s off topic:-) Hope Ed and AP overlook this since so many threads and links today and open windows!!

Mark Levin just praised the 4 Justices that dissented. They got it right. What a shame that Roberts did what he did. Well, he’ll have his reward. Heard Justice Thomas is taking a lot of flak/nasty remarks on the net also. He must have done something right:-)

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 7:26 PM

midgeorgian on June 28, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Maybe next time…

affenhauer on June 28, 2012 at 7:29 PM

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Yeah Levin can be a bit technical at times….

Simply put though.. Roberts is full of it. The creators of obamacare argued it wasn’t a tax. THen when it couldn’t be made out as constitutional under the commerce clause he made up some BS calling it a tax.

So basically if the gov’t wants you to do or buy something all they need to do is tax you as a punishment to force you to do what they want.

For something to be considered a tax it must be one of the following:

Direct or capitation tax (on the individual) … each state pays it’s portion base on population.

Excise tax: where there is some form of financial activity.

Income tax: 16th amendment

Where does obamacare fit in??? It DOESN’T !!

Roberts answer was to say “let’s not fiddle around with labels”.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Oh, thanks so much. I started writing down what he said about the definition of taxes but had food in the oven, LOL Now that you’ve listed these, it makes what Roberts did that much more awful!! His decision is going to affect much more.

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 7:32 PM

bluefox on June 28, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Just checking: wasn’t it this kind of crap that got the ball rolling in 1775? Spare the ‘hammer – just saying…

affenhauer on June 28, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Hot Airheads get a piece of red meat that’s already turning rotten in their mouths.

Yep, the American people are deeply concerned about a failed ATF policy begun under Bush. Can’t wait to see housing prices and manufacturing orders rise.

FAIL.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Nice of you to give us a summary of your post. Most trolls are not so considerate.

The Bush program ended in 2007, genius. It was over before Obama was elected.

tom on June 28, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Yeah, sure.

Maybe you haven’t heard it, but your messiah decided to tax the middle class into oblivion. #ObamacareTax

Gelsomina on June 28, 2012 at 6:50 PM

If Obamacare stands, that means that the special real-estate transaction tax to support it also stands.

slickwillie2001 on June 28, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Hot Airheads get a piece of red meat that’s already turning rotten in their mouths.

Yep, the American people are deeply concerned about a failed ATF policy begun under Bush. Can’t wait to see housing prices and manufacturing orders rise.

FAIL.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Nice of you to give us a summary of your post. Most trolls are not so considerate.

The Bush program ended in 2007, genius. It was over before Obama was elected.

tom on June 28, 2012 at 7:43 PM

It is nice try, but I was reading comments under the democrat sheep walking out of the F&F vote and the stupid was as thick as guano. The ignorance within the democratic voters truly explains people like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama.

HornetSting on June 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM

bifidis, I challenged you to make a fallacious-free argument that the Democrats’ disparagement of the votes against Holder was not primarily motivated by political considerations, but I noticed you haven’t yet done so. Why, bifidis?

Do you not care that you’re giving off the impression to unprejudiced people that you are refusing to do so because you want to feel free to be able to carelessly/recklessly cast aspersions against those who disagree with you, w/o having to responsibly concern yourself with accuracy?

Bizarro No. 1 on June 28, 2012 at 7:50 PM

About danged time. I can’t think of anyone more contemptible than Eric “Mark Rich/FALN/Fast & Furious Who?” Holder.

Lammo on June 28, 2012 at 7:20 PM

I can. What about the jug-eared coward that is Holder’s boss?

As an aside I just told off my (D) Congressman for voting against contempt. Mainly because it is clear that he is. I honestly hope my Congressman dies soon. He’s old and beats children. He deserves to die.

Happy Nomad on June 28, 2012 at 7:50 PM

When people figure out what Roberts really did, lefty’s will need some Depends. And have to pay taxes on them.

cozmo on June 28, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Not just lefties. I’ve been out all day so missed the epic threads, but it seems like a lot of Hot Gassers on the Right don’t get the brilliance of what Roberts did.

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

I assume you’re referring to reversing the expansion of the Commerce Clause, and saying that the mandate could only be justified as a tax?

I appreciate the long overdue rollback of the Commerce Clause. But he effectively declared you could use the tax clause in just as expansive a fashion.

That is, here was an obvious overreach of the Commerce Clause, far beyond what any Congress had ever attempted. Roberts says, “You can’t do that based on the Commerce Clause.” I would certainly call that a good thing. But do we gain more freedom by it? Is the government now less restrained? Or can Congress still justify anything in the world they want to do, as long as they say it’s a tax rather than due to the Commerce Clause?

I’m impressed by Roberts as far as his cleverness. But effectively, he didn’t act to restrain the reach of government at all. I would call that over-clever.

Now, if the majority struck down the law as an overreach of the Commerce clause, and stated it would have to be redone under the tax clause to be Constitutional, that would have been a good result. Obamacare would be effectively dead, because it would never pass a new Congress, and the Commerce Clause would be appropriately restrained.

Instead, SCOTUS reinterpreted the law for Congress in a way to make it Constitutional, which is not its role at all.

And typical of the over-clever, he overlooked another Constitutional issue: if Obamacare is a tax, it has to originate in the House, not the Senate. So as a tax, isn’t it unConstitutional?

tom on June 28, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Please don’t tell me you buy into this stupid line of thinking??!!

We had the whole entire obamacare defeated.. commerce clause and all, yet Roberts single-handily revived it by making stuff up yet that’s a victory??

What’s the point of trying to repeal it in future when it COULD’VE been defeated today???

See how stupid that sounds??

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. It’s here and it was not repealed. So upwards and onwards we go.

You going to give up or keep up the good fight, as those are our choices. You aren’t going to let those liberals win, are you?

kim roy on June 28, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Not just lefties. I’ve been out all day so missed the epic threads, but it seems like a lot of Hot Gassers on the Right don’t get the brilliance of what Roberts did.
Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM

What brillance? All Roberts did was eliminate the need to ever base jurisdiction on the commerce clause to do whatever congress wants. Who cares if the commerce clause was “gutted”? Now congress can pass any thing they want by adding a massive penalty for non-compliance. They will base jurisdiction on Federal taxing authority rather than the commerce clause. This is a massive expansion of Federal scope and power. The “Robers gutted the commerce clause” meme is pure drivel.

tommyboy on June 28, 2012 at 8:05 PM

What Roberts did today was remove any assumed limits on the taxation power. You want to move outside the limits of the Commerce Clause? Well, call it a tax!

Better yet, don’t call it a tax, get your legislation passed, and we (SCOTUS) will call it a tax for you! We’re here to help!

Stop caramel coating this sh*t apple, ‘caus that’s what it is.

Mr. Arkadin on June 28, 2012 at 6:54 PM

In case you missed it D!ckhead, this is NOT new with Roberts’ ruling. Chr!st you people are stupid.

DevilsPrinciple on June 28, 2012 at 8:07 PM

In case you missed it D!ckhead, this is NOT new with Roberts’ ruling. Chr!st you people are stupid.
DevilsPrinciple on June 28, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Yes it is. It is very new.

tommyboy on June 28, 2012 at 8:10 PM

95% of math is racist.

rogerb on June 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Bad math can’t be racist unless it has the power to oppress.

disa on June 28, 2012 at 8:12 PM

In case you missed it D!ckhead, this is NOT new with Roberts’ ruling. Chr!st you people are stupid.

DevilsPrinciple on June 28, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Hey lil Devil, why is Pelosi celebrating? How did Alito, Thomas and Scalia get it so wrong? They are the real villains here, right? They almost derailed this great achievement by Roberts(and kaegen-sotomeyer-ginsburg..)

BoxHead1 on June 28, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Just caught the CBS Evening News report with Scott Pelley on the contempt vote: not one word about a “bipartisan” vote or mention of 17 Democrats voting with the Republicans, just “Holder angered Republicans by not releasing all the documents they wanted.” The BIG LIE marches on.

Mr Mxyzptlk on June 28, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Hot Airheads get a piece of red meat that’s already turning rotten in their mouths.

Yep, the American people are deeply concerned about a failed ATF policy begun under Bush. Can’t wait to see housing prices and manufacturing orders rise.

FAIL.

bifidis on June 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Nice of you to give us a summary of your post. Most trolls are not so considerate.

The Bush program ended in 2007, genius. It was over before Obama was elected.

tom on June 28, 2012 at 7:43 PM

It is nice try, but I was reading comments under the democrat sheep walking out of the F&F vote and the stupid was as thick as guano. The ignorance within the democratic voters truly explains people like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama.

HornetSting on June 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM

I know bifidis is ineducable. Therefore, it’s my duty to mock the stupidity.

/Just a public-minded man

( I wonder if bifidis will ever figure out that the “summary of your post” I mentioned was because it ended its comment with “FAIL?” Probably not.)

tom on June 28, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Yes, about time.

petefrt on June 28, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Well this is another big joke on the banana republic of the united states. I don’t think you folks know what is going on when you have a supreme leader like our current dictator in chief. Even if you find a judge that will follow the rule of law, Obama will just pardon him. When you no longer have a constitutional government it doesn’t matter what the law is. L C Hastings said it best “we don’t need any rules we just make it up as we go”.

pwb on June 28, 2012 at 8:28 PM

By the way (Ex-Speaker of the House and NEVER TO HOLD THAT GAVEL AGAIN) Nancy Pelosi, the name is BRIAN TERRY not Brian TAYLOR. You nitwit.
What the Fluke is wrong with voters in California?
Perhaps the local weed is too damn strong.

Missilengr on June 28, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Thank you for that quote. It has woken me up from a self induced coma.

I always grab on to the positive, thank you for feeding my soul.

seesalrun2 on June 28, 2012 at 8:49 PM

My heart aches for my country, my children, and my grandchildren.
Nevertheless, I feel that there is no time to waste. The only way of getting rid of Obamacare is to elect Romney, who I did not support in the primaries, together with lots of truly conservative senators and house members.
Let’s get on with that task.

GaltBlvnAtty on June 28, 2012 at 8:49 PM

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