Beck on the ObamaCare ruling: I sure am tired of prominent Republicans selling out conservatives

posted at 9:21 pm on June 28, 2012 by Allahpundit

A sentiment widely shared today, no doubt. Over at Ace’s place, DrewM issues a warning:

Dear GOP,

This is your last chance. If you blow this, I’m out and you need to be destroyed.

What is it? Repeal ObamaCare on Day 1. Don’t worry about replace, don’t worry about anything else…

[A]s soon as Mitt takes the oath of office, before his speech no one will care or remember, walk the bill up to him at the podium to sign.

If this does not happen, the GOP must be destroyed and a new party built to replace it. We’ve tried the carrot approach (votes, money, volunteers) to change your behavior. Now it’s time to show you the stick.

David Frum counters: If you think the GOP’s going to repeal ObamaCare now, you’re kidding yourselves.

[E]ven if Republicans do win the White House and Senate in 2012, how much appetite will they then have for that 1-page repeal bill? Suddenly it will be their town halls filled with outraged senior citizens whose benefits are threatened; their incumbencies that will be threatened. Already we are hearing that some Republicans wish to retain the more popular elements of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Which means the proposed 1-page bill will begin to grow…

Republicans will find the task of writing their “replace” law even more agonizing than the Democrats found original passage. The party has no internal consensus on what a replacement would look like. Worse, any replacement of the law’s popular elements will require financing. But where is that money to come from? New taxes are unacceptable. The proceeds of “closing loopholes” are already spoken for—that’s how President Romney has promised to finance his promise to cut the top rate of tax 28%. And he’s also promised to increase defense spending…

[T]he clock is ticking. President Obama passed the ACA in the second year of his administration. A President Romney will have to pass repeal in the first year of his, because the law goes into effect in 2014. By then, states will have to have their exchanges up and working.

That’s all fine, but Drew’s captured the mood of the base well in his post, I think. If the GOP ends up with the numbers to repeal O-Care, it’d be a catastrophic, possibly politically fatal betrayal at this point for them not to follow through. The fact that it was Roberts who swung to the left in today’s decision rather than the mercurial Kennedy only compounds conservatives’ trauma: At this point, a la Beck, it really does feel like there’s no one in a position of power who can be trusted. The last Republican president ran up big deficits and expanded health-care entitlements; the Republican chief justice he appointed just voted to uphold ObamaCare; and the current Republican nominee pioneered the concept of health-care mandates in Massachusetts. If a Republican-controlled Congress rubber-stamps Obama’s health-care leviathan by refusing to act on it, I don’t know what happens to turnout in 2014 and 2016. Good news for the No Labels crowd, I guess — that’ll be the closest America’s come yet to seeing a true third party develop. Democrats on the left, conservatives on the right, and the no-labels rump of the GOP smack dab in the center. They might as well take their chances with angry seniors at those townhalls; you might win them back eventually, but you won’t win back righties who’ve suffered one too many sellouts.


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They might as well take their chances with angry seniors at those townhalls;

As a “senior” I think you misread must seniors. You seem to assume that al of us want “our handouts.” Well, I contend that most seniors have children and grandchildren and are unhappy about the world the leftist bastards are leaving them.

Do I want my social Security? Damned right I do. I was part of the movement to do away with the damned thing and let us make our own retirement decisions back in the 1970s and 1980s. But he big government democrats and republicans wouldn’t let us so yes now I want what I was told was the only solution.

But I’d happily give up 10% of my Social Security and double my Medicare deduction IF this country would simply get on the right track and stop screwing my children. And I’d guess that there a lot of us out there who feel this way.

clippermiami on June 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Very well said! As a fellow senior, I echo those sentiments.

BTW, most young whipper snappers seem to lump all of us seniors together. That’s dangerous. ;o)

kakypat on June 28, 2012 at 10:07 PM

I can not believe I’m saying this, but Frum’s right… they will go spineless. They’ve shown it for a Democrat President, what makes you think Republicans will be any different under a Liberal Republican like Romney? Indeed, they’ll go along even faster because gosh darn it, “Party loyalty is so important”. You know given between appeasing others, or doing the right thing, the Republican party of the modern age, has, and will always, choose appeasement. What they can’t seem to understand however, that by choosing to appease one group, they annoy those who were loyal to them, to the point of abandonment.

Which is why I’m so sick and tired of the R.I.N.O. apologist.

In Beck’s video, he hits it spot on at the 4 minute mark, and that is one of the primary reasons why I still will not support Romney.

What is Romney’s position? What original ideas does Romney have? Frankly all I’ve heard is Either A. Recycled from another member of the Party. B. Vagueness (Typically whenever it comes to a subject that Romney sided with the Democrats on)
And what’s is he primarily running on? Something no better than Barack Obama four years ago. “You just need to vote for me because I’m the better choice.”

It sounds almost eerily familiar to Nancy Pelosi’s comment about the Obamacare bill “You just have to pass the bill to see what’s in it”. Is that how the elections are going to be run now by both parties? “You have to elect this candidate into office to see what they stand for in all honesty”

No, sorry, then you’re automatically disqualified from receiving my vote. If you’re running on the enigma platform, you don’t deserve my vote. Because it tells me then you are so afraid to admit what you’re views are, that you decided being a coward is a better choice. If that’s the case, than neither of the two primary parties deserve it.

Razgriez on June 28, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Anyone who seriously believes Gary Johnson is the answer has absolutely no idea what the question is.

bw222 on June 28, 2012 at 10:07 PM

My take.

kingsjester on June 28, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Any further fighting is pointless. Win all the congressional races and presidential races you like, anything you pass will be overturned, and anything you detest will be upheld. It’s as simple as that.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

My God. What a bunch of crybabies..you get a bad decision and you all just go belly up..

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:08 PM

No kidding, but I am sure that Obama appreciates their help.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

He doesn’t need our help. Spineless squish groupies give him all the help he needs.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 10:09 PM

My God. What a bunch of crybabies..you get a bad decision and you all just go belly up..

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:08 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Roe v Wade
Kelo v New London
SB1070
Obamacare

Kindly go screw.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Rock, you do realize that as a whole, you couldn’t grab 10 people out of 100 on a busy urban street and get them to even recognize Gary Johnson name, let alone his platform.

BlaxPac on June 28, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I doubt that’s true, Gary Johnson’s record as governor was one of the best in modern history, unlike Romney whose record was so dismal that he didn’t even bother running for reelection. Gary was on TV quite a bit when he was governor and I always liked him. I think a lot of people know who he is, and those that don’t, help me inform them.

There’s no reason that people have to march in lockstep with the corrupt ruling class and vote for the candidates that they’re told to. We don’t have to vote for the Democrat’s or Republican’s crappy candidates, we should vote for our own.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 10:09 PM

There does not have to be an official repeal. Romney can take a lesson from Obama and simply refuse to collect the tax from non compliers. He can order the RS to simply ignore the tax form section that attests to coverage. And he can announce this as soon as he is sworn. As for Frum’s worry about seniors. $500 Billion to finance this mess is being taken from Medicare and Obamacare adds nothing to Medicare coverage except the reality that your health records and exam reports will be sent to Washington and your treatment may be limited by some bureaucrat whose last job was as an enforcer for the SEIU.

xkaydet65 on June 28, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Full blown MELTDOWN…. From the party who invented the mandate concept to make freeloaders pay and who’s nominee was the first governor to implement it.

Com’on! You guys HAVE to see how ironic this looks to everybody else. Clusterfark at best.

Man… I am waiting to hear of death threats to Roberts over the next few days. What a stab in the back.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on June 28, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Ask the Whigs. That’s where the GOP’s headed. It came from Whigdom and is going right back.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Isn’t Saint Sarah a Republican…

yeah guys, give up…take your football and go home..that will show them.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Well said.

Hope you don’t mind, I am going to use your words verbatim in an e-mail to my congressman and senators tonight.

Barred on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Cheers. Go with my blessing.

Gingotts on June 28, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Isn’t Saint Sarah a Republican…

yeah guys, give up…take your football and go home..that will show them.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:10 PM | Delete

Supporting them sure hasn’t worked.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Third party?

Won’t work. Ask Teddy Roosevelt. Ask George Wallace, John Anderson, Ross Perot, etc etc etc.

PappyD61 on June 28, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Ask the Whigs. That’s where the GOP’s headed. It came from Whigdom and is going right back.

Third parties can get elected; in MN Jesse Ventura (Independence Party) became Governor. While Norm Coleman R came in second and Humphrey D third.
You just have to be brave enough to vote third party.

elkchess on June 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

We’ve fought since Roe v Wade to set the court on the right path. We had our chance with Reagan. He appointed 1 good justice and 2 dopes (O’Connor and Kennedy). We had another chance with HW Bush. He appointed 1 good justice and 1 dope (Thomas and Souter). We had yet another chance with W Bush. Like his father, 1 good one and 1 dope (Alito and Roberts).

The GOP has been given enough chances. This is one we should have won. We have what should be a 5-4 majority. If there was going to be any defection, it should have been Kennedy, not Roberts.

Any further fighting is pointless. Win all the congressional races and presidential races you like, anything you pass will be overturned, and anything you detest will be upheld. It’s as simple as that.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

For one thing, it’s not just a matter of picking someone and just installing them on the court. The Senate has a role to play in that. Secondly, the GOP didn’t pass the legislation. They didn’t spend the better part of a year shoving it down our throats. Your anger seems very much misplaced. Even if it weren’t, why would you decide to essentially give Obama four more years to appoint more libs to the Court? At least we have a shot that Romney would appoint a decent one…there is NO chance of that with Obama.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

I say destroy this entire country, just burn it down, I am so sick of it.

BillCarson on June 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Imagine that today Mitt Romney is the presumptive nominee of the republican party.

Now, imagine Sarah Palin is the nominee today.

Which reality would you rather be having right now?

trigon on June 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Suddenly it will be their town halls filled with outraged senior citizens whose benefits are threatened; their incumbencies that will be threatened.

?????????????????

Who does that idiot think he is kidding with that line?

The Town Halls won’t be “filled with outraged senior citizens”. In fact, Seniors are the most vocal and stalwart opponents of Obamacare, because they are savvy enough to realize they are the ones with the most to lose under its provisions. Either Frum knows that and is a liar, or he is just plain stupid.

Frum is a disingenuous ass. Always has been. Always will be. Him and his little crowd of neo-cons destroyed the Republican’s electoral prospects in the latter half of the last decade, due to their pushing of a foolish, interventionist foreign policy.

Now he has the temerity to be going on like this? Hilarious. He never has had any idea of the mood and opinions of the American people, living as he does in his little bubble.

Dreadnought on June 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I doubt that’s true, Gary Johnson’s record as governor was one of the best in modern history, unlike Romney whose record was so dismal that he didn’t even bother running for reelection. Gary was on TV quite a bit when he was governor and I always liked him. I think a lot of people know who he is, and those that don’t, help me inform them.

There’s no reason that people have to march in lockstep with the corrupt ruling class and vote for the candidates that they’re told to. We don’t have to vote for the Democrat’s or Republican’s crappy candidates, we should vote for our own.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Oh for Chrisake, Gary Johnson is a freaking loon who does not stand a chance of winning a national election.

I mean come on…the Republicans are not the ones who put this man in office..they did not vote for the bill in the first place…maybe if some of those true conservatives who sat out the last election had bothered to vote Obama would still be in the Senate.

You people sound like you are Democrats yourselves. Really.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Hey gang, hold on a sec. It is easy to just blame the Republicans as the problem (and certainly they have a lot to answer to), but let’s not forget that they answer to us. RINOs are a problem but so are the constituents that don’t get the ramifications of these policies. How many seniors support the RNC? According to polls the majority, and yet many of them are the first to cry foul when any congerssman even suggests looking to reform Medicare or cut something. The same goes for farmers, military people, etc, etc, etc. Unless we, the base, speaks with agreement at those town halls, no party will change. Republicans are just cowards that will go wherever they hear the crowd going, but sadly, save for beating Obama, the people are not fully agreeing in a whole lot more.

We need to first (quickly) educate and agree in the message we want out there and understand that everyone will need to give up their goodies. Only then there is a change to changing the Rep party or building up a new one for next time.

ptcamn on June 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Any further fighting is pointless. Win all the congressional races and presidential races you like, anything you pass will be overturned, and anything you detest will be upheld. It’s as simple as that.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Then shut up and get off this site. This is a site for passionate conservatives, not for mealymouthed losers who give up the minute we lose a single battle. You think you feel any worse than Lefties did after Walker beat them? This isn’t a sprint. It’s an endurance race. The war goes on, and will always goes on. The minute we give up, we are slaves.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM

No kidding, but I am sure that Obama appreciates their help.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Count on it. The decision was bad enough, but the throw in the towel attitude here is almost too much.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM

OUR Revolution will be a peaceful one. Our weapons will be our ballots. The outcome will be the same: Freedom from those who would rule our lives.

November 6th, Americans will once again fire the shot heard ’round the world.

kingsjester on June 28, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Very nice! I enjoyed the article, and couldn’t agree with you more.

kakypat on June 28, 2012 at 10:15 PM

For one thing, it’s not just a matter of picking someone and just installing them on the court. The Senate has a role to play in that. Secondly, the GOP didn’t pass the legislation. They didn’t spend the better part of a year shoving it down our throats. Your anger seems very much misplaced. Even if it weren’t, why would you decide to essentially give Obama four more years to appoint more libs to the Court? At least we have a shot that Romney would appoint a decent one…there is NO chance of that with Obama.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM | Delete

1.) Yes, the Senate has a role to play. Alito, Scalia, and Thomas all got through, so the idea that we can’t possibly put conservatives on the court is a farce.

2.) The GOP didn’t pass the legislation. So what? They’ve proven utterly incapable of stopping it, and have no realistic prospects of repealing it.

3.) Who are you going to replace Obama with? Romney? The guy who was the forefather of Obamacare, and appointed liberal judges himself to MA courts, not to mention was the first governor ever to institute gay marriage? Uh, sure, okay. Yeah, let’s fight for that. /sarc

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:15 PM

elkchess on June 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Brave??? Jesse Ventura is a freaking lunatic kook who is wrapped up in crazy conspiracy theories. It isn’t bravery to vote in a nutcase, it’s stupidity.

TXMomof3 on June 28, 2012 at 10:15 PM

There does not have to be an official repeal. Romney can take a lesson from Obama and simply refuse to collect the tax from non compliers. He can order the RS to simply ignore the tax form section that attests to coverage. And he can announce this as soon as he is sworn. As for Frum’s worry about seniors. $500 Billion to finance this mess is being taken from Medicare and Obamacare adds nothing to Medicare coverage except the reality that your health records and exam reports will be sent to Washington and your treatment may be limited by some bureaucrat whose last job was as an enforcer for the SEIU.
xkaydet65 on June 28, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Thank you. Somebody gets it.

Frum is an ass.

Dreadnought on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Imagine that today Mitt Romney is the presumptive nominee of the republican party.

Now, imagine Sarah Palin is the nominee today.

Which reality would you rather be having right now?

trigon on June 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Considering the fact that Sarah Palin would probably get her ass handed to her..I would rather have Romney.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

He won’t listen to you Terrye. Rock’s in love with Gawwy.

wargamer6 on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

They might as well take their chances with angry seniors at those townhalls; you might win them back eventually, but you won’t win back righties who’ve suffered one too many sellouts.

Well said and pretty much exactly what I told my Congressman’s office earlier today.

RJL on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

I say destroy this entire country, just burn it down, I am so sick of it.

BillCarson on June 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

You know where the door is.

thebrokenrattle on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Imagine that today Mitt Romney is the presumptive nominee of the republican party.

Now, imagine Sarah Palin is the nominee today.

Which reality would you rather be having right now?

trigon on June 28, 2012 at 10:13 PM

You deal with the world as it is, not as you wish it to be.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Then shut up and get off this site. This is a site for passionate conservatives, not for mealymouthed losers who give up the minute we lose a single battle. You think you feel any worse than Lefties did after Walker beat them? This isn’t a sprint. It’s an endurance race. The war goes on, and will always goes on. The minute we give up, we are slaves.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM | Delete

Go give yourself an enema, twerp. You have lost every single battle that matters, time after time, decade after decade. The GOP has had chance after chance, President after President, and blown it every single time, and now has a nominee that there is EVERY reason to suspect will do so again.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Terrye, hate to rain on your parade but the truth is there’s not a whole lot of any real substance to point to as evidence of anything going our way…in the last twenty years.

Cleombrotus on June 28, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Brave??? Jesse Ventura is a freaking lunatic kook who is wrapped up in crazy conspiracy theories. It isn’t bravery to vote in a nutcase, it’s stupidity.

TXMomof3 on June 28, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Absolutely and he did nothing to promote conservatism, he is not even a conservative.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:17 PM

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Hear hear

Weight of Glory on June 28, 2012 at 10:17 PM

kakypat on June 28, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Thank you.

kingsjester on June 28, 2012 at 10:18 PM

By their fruits you shall know them…

equanimous on June 28, 2012 at 10:18 PM

You have lost every single battle that matters…

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Wisconsin.

Now go sit at the kiddies’ table until you’re called for, son.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Man… I am waiting to hear of death threats to Roberts over the next few days. What a stab in the back.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on June 28, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I certainly hope not. In words of Leonidas “I hope he lives forever”
If he’s got any kind of conscience, he’s got to live with it for a long full life. He helped tear down the Constitution of the United States, he should be reviled and shunned. Glenn Beck is right he’s a Coward.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the House of Representatives already have the power to kill Obamacare via their control of the government purse? Can’t they just pledge to defund it for FY2013?

Mike Honcho on June 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Terrye, hate to rain on your parade but the truth is there’s not a whole lot of any real substance to point to as evidence of anything going our way…in the last twenty years.

Cleombrotus on June 28, 2012 at 10:17 P

So, what are you complaining about then? You might as well just roll over. After all, there is no point in going on. Right?

Yeah, that is what I like to hear from people who are whining about someone else not putting up more of a fight.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Considering the fact that Sarah Palin would probably get her ass handed to her..I would rather have Romney.
Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

If that statement wasn’t so ironically tragic it would be funny.

Cleombrotus on June 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Then shut up and get off this site. This is a site for passionate conservatives, not for mealymouthed losers who give up the minute we lose a single battle. You think you feel any worse than Lefties did after Walker beat them? This isn’t a sprint. It’s an endurance race. The war goes on, and will always goes on. The minute we give up, we are slaves.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Preach it brother, preach it!

JPeterman on June 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Wisconsin.

Now go sit at the kiddies’ table until you’re called for, son.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM | Delete

Yes, Wisconsin’s irrelevant. Thank you. It is 1 state. We’re talking about the country. But hey, I’m sure winning a mayoral election in Idaho also really, really matters.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

TRUTH BE TOLD:

The GOP house could have refused to fund this Marxist Care the day the GOP took over. Yes it would have shut down the government, a good thing if you ask me. They chose instead to fund it. So again somebody tell the rest of us why you think they will repeal it if given the chance to do so?

bgibbs1000 on June 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM

1.) Yes, the Senate has a role to play. Alito, Scalia, and Thomas all got through, so the idea that we can’t possibly put conservatives on the court is a farce.

2.) The GOP didn’t pass the legislation. So what? They’ve proven utterly incapable of stopping it, and have no realistic prospects of repealing it.

3.) Who are you going to replace Obama with? Romney? The guy who was the forefather of Obamacare, and appointed liberal judges himself to MA courts, not to mention was the first governor ever to institute gay marriage? Uh, sure, okay. Yeah, let’s fight for that. /sarc

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Who said we couldn’t? You have no idea what Roberts told Bush about his judicial approach…he may have sold himself as another Scalia or Thomas.

The Democrats had to change that legislation several times and ram it through via reconciliation just to be able to send it to Obama. I don’t know what else they could’ve done, given the huge majorities the Dems had at the time. Elections have consequences…’08 sucked, and we’re paying the price for it. Why you’d want that to be repeated is beyond me.

And, Romney’s the only option at this point. Rewarding Obama for this healthcare disaster doesn’t make much sense to me, so yeah, Mitt’s the guy. Warts and all.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Beck spends five minutes railing against GOP progressives then pays tribute to a communist.

Mark1971 on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Didn’t make any sense to me either, but Glenn Beck is not exactly the most emotionally stable man in the world.

bw222 on June 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Yes, Wisconsin’s irrelevant. Thank you. It is 1 state. We’re talking about the country. But hey, I’m sure winning a mayoral election in Idaho also really, really matters.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

You really are a child. The greatest blow against public employee unions in half a century occurred less than a week ago, and you call it irrelevant.

Patriot, my ass. You’re a loser. Get up, brush off the dirt, and get back in the fight. If you love your country, prove it.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

You have lost every single battle that matters…

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Wisconsin.

Now go sit at the kiddies’ table until you’re called for, son.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Yes. This is true.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the House of Representatives already have the power to kill Obamacare via their control of the government purse? Can’t they just pledge to defund it for FY2013?

Mike Honcho on June 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Two words…………John Boehner.

Other than that, yes they can.

kakypat on June 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

You deal with the world as it is, not as you wish it to be.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

My point was more along the line that you wouldn’t be wondering whether the party nominee would be willing to do anything, would you?

trigon on June 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

less than a weekmonth ago,

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Dammit.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Oh for Chrisake, Gary Johnson is a freaking loon who does not stand a chance of winning a national election.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM

And your candidate is the scumbag that invented Obamacare.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM

As I said on many of the threads dealing with the Crapsammich; Kelo. Roberts sold Americans out on that one too. But I grew up in Rio Linda so what did I know.

Rio Linda Refugee on June 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Who said we couldn’t? You have no idea what Roberts told Bush about his judicial approach…he may have sold himself as another Scalia or Thomas.

The Democrats had to change that legislation several times and ram it through via reconciliation just to be able to send it to Obama. I don’t know what else they could’ve done, given the huge majorities the Dems had at the time. Elections have consequences…’08 sucked, and we’re paying the price for it. Why you’d want that to be repeated is beyond me.

And, Romney’s the only option at this point. Rewarding Obama for this healthcare disaster doesn’t make much sense to me, so yeah, Mitt’s the guy. Warts and all.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM | Delete

1.) Sure, Roberts may have sold himself as something he’s not. The point is, we should have sufficient confidence in our nominees that this sort of thing should not happen. The Left never worries about the opinions of Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Breyer.

2.) Yes, Mitt’s “the guy.” And there’s no reason to trust “the guy.” Romney will take any position and say anything. Look at his record, and there’s far less reason to have any confidence in him than there was in Roberts’ own appointment.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Yes, Wisconsin’s irrelevant. Thank you. It is 1 state. We’re talking about the country. But hey, I’m sure winning a mayoral election in Idaho also really, really matters.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Scott Walker is probably one of the only politicians I trust.

tetriskid on June 28, 2012 at 10:25 PM

So, what are you complaining about then? You might as well just roll over. After all, there is no point in going on. Right?
Yeah, that is what I like to hear from people who are whining about someone else not putting up more of a fight.
Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Not sure what you’re referring to as far as complaining goes. I’m just pointing out the obvious in referrence to your swipe at the truth in Stoic Patriot’s post.

Cleombrotus on June 28, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Wisconsin’s irrelevant.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Given all that happened there, you’ve just made yourself irrelevant.

kakypat on June 28, 2012 at 10:25 PM

My point was more along the line that you wouldn’t be wondering whether the party nominee would be willing to do anything, would you?

trigon on June 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

What does it matter? Are we seriously relitigating the primaries, especially concerning someone who didn’t even run? I mean, yes, I suppose we’d know where Palin stood on stuff…OK. And? She chose to sit on the sidelines, so it doesn’t matter. Our reality is Mitt is the nominee, and it’s him or Obama.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:26 PM

As I said on many of the threads dealing with the Crapsammich; Kelo. Roberts sold Americans out on that one too. But I grew up in Rio Linda so what did I know.

Rio Linda Refugee on June 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Figures. I think Roberts is on the take, he always rules in favor of cronies.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 10:26 PM

You really are a child. The greatest blow against public employee unions in half a century occurred less than a week ago, and you call it irrelevant.

Patriot, my ass. You’re a loser. Get up, brush off the dirt, and get back in the fight. If you love your country, prove it.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM | Delete

Let me try to make things clearer for you my obtuse little friend. Wisconsin’s union-busting affects Wisconsin. That’s it. And just because a state-level policy is enacted, doesn’t mean that Federal courts won’t come along later and invalidate them (see: SB1070, and currently Prop 8 in CA).

I’m quite willing to fight, but doing so with an “ally” like the GOP is a fool’s errand. You can only get stabbed in the back so many times before it should finally dawn on you that maybe they’re really not all that friendly.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Who said we couldn’t? You have no idea what Roberts told Bush about his judicial approach…he may have sold himself as another Scalia or Thomas.

The Democrats had to change that legislation several times and ram it through via reconciliation just to be able to send it to Obama. I don’t know what else they could’ve done, given the huge majorities the Dems had at the time. Elections have consequences…’08 sucked, and we’re paying the price for it. Why you’d want that to be repeated is beyond me.

And, Romney’s the only option at this point. Rewarding Obama for this healthcare disaster doesn’t make much sense to me, so yeah, Mitt’s the guy. Warts and all.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Roberts was the darling of conservatives, they can scream traitor all they want now, but it was not just Bush that liked this guy. He had a lot of support from many of the same people who are calling him names today.

As for Romney, he never took office and then crammed a piece of legislation down the throats of the electorate on a one party vote line when he knew full well that it was not wanted. He is a better choice than Obama by a mile.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Scott Walker is probably one of the only politicians I trust.

tetriskid on June 28, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Same here. He followed through on ambitious promises in a traditionally Blue State, and made it through alive. Nothing fake or empty about him.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Given all that happened there, you’ve just made yourself irrelevant.

kakypat on June 28, 2012 at 10:25 PM | Delete

Yes, a lot of shouting happened. And the consequences were peanuts. Next you’ll be telling me that we should be throwing a jubilee if the National Endowment for the Arts loses 50 cents of funding.

Save the champagne for the big stuff.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Let me try to make things clearer for you my obtuse little friend. Wisconsin’s union-busting affects Wisconsin. That’s it. And just because a state-level policy is enacted, doesn’t mean that Federal courts won’t come along later and invalidate them (see: SB1070, and currently Prop 8 in CA).

I’m quite willing to fight, but doing so with an “ally” like the GOP is a fool’s errand. You can only get stabbed in the back so many times before it should finally dawn on you that maybe they’re really not all that friendly.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Oh please…you just got through railing against Romney and the Mass health care bill….I guess that state stuff effects the whole country when you want it to.

Fine..sit home and pout and let Obama win..exactly what does that make you other than a quitter and a whiner?

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM

3.) Who are you going to replace Obama with? Romney? The guy who was the forefather of Obamacare, and appointed liberal judges himself to MA courts, not to mention was the first governor ever to institute gay marriage? Uh, sure, okay. Yeah, let’s fight for that. /sarc

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Wasn’t Romney governor of like…”1 state” and we’re talking about the country.

Do patriots normally slink off when the going gets tough, because I’m thinking you would have said that Trenton was a dumb idea because so many battles had been lost before that.

Bishop on June 28, 2012 at 10:31 PM

what we need now is another increase of the debt ceiling!

equanimous on June 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Hey Beck: unless you can do something about it, your opinion isn’t worth a dime more than any random right-winger on any random political site.

MelonCollie on June 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Oh please…you just got through railing against Romney and the Mass health care bill….I guess that state stuff effects the whole country when you want it to.

Fine..sit home and pout and let Obama win..exactly what does that make you other than a quitter and a whiner?

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM | Delete

You’ll notice that the railing against the MA healthcare bill was pertinent to a national policy and an issue of character.

Staying home makes me a realist, and someone who’s not going to be taken for a ride anymore.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Re Drew M’s rant and Beck the Libertarian who’s a big fan of Judge Napaolitano who is off the wall a good part of the time – Not a single Republican voted for ObamaCare so who is he directing his rant at exactly? Roberts? Fine. He’s one illogical, incoherent Supreme. It will be repealed by a GOP congress and a President Romney. Period. Next we’ll have to figure out how to blunt Robert’s broadening of Congresses’ taxing power.

Buy Danish on June 28, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Roberts was the darling of conservatives, they can scream traitor all they want now, but it was not just Bush that liked this guy. He had a lot of support from many of the same people who are calling him names today.

As for Romney, he never took office and then crammed a piece of legislation down the throats of the electorate on a one party vote line when he knew full well that it was not wanted. He is a better choice than Obama by a mile.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM

No he’s not been the darling of conservatives. The only Supreme Court Justices anyone talks about is Scalia and Alito as in Scalito.

Roberts got attention because Obama scolded him at a state of the union speech. Looks like it worked, Roberts fell into place.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Let me try to make things clearer for you my obtuse little friend. Wisconsin’s union-busting affects Wisconsin. That’s it.

“That’s it”? You think conservative governors across the country aren’t going to be tempted and inspired to make similar reforms, now that they’ve seen him survive one of the most hostile campaigns against a governor in decades?

And just because a state-level policy is enacted, doesn’t mean that Federal courts won’t come along later and invalidate them (see: SB1070, and currently Prop 8 in CA)

So what? We’ve gotten this far. Let SCOTUS hash it out. They just handed down a judgment against unions. What the hell is the point of the fight if you’re not willing to fight as hard as possible?

I’m quite willing to fight, but doing so with an “ally” like the GOP is a fool’s errand. You can only get stabbed in the back so many times before it should finally dawn on you that maybe they’re really not all that friendly.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Okay then, what other ally can we conjure up in the next four months? If we lose now, ObamaCare will remain in full effect for the next four years. By the time we get back into the White House, it’ll be old news, and people’s passions will likely have cooled as they take the apathetic approach in increasing numbers. If you’re not looking for a solution, what good are you doing?

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Let me try to make things clearer for you my obtuse little friend. Wisconsin’s union-busting affects Wisconsin. That’s it.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM

It’s now official, you really are irrelevant.

JPeterman on June 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I have to agree with beck

I liked W notnanymorenthis truly destroyed his legacy. I threw his magnet out on my fridge

Conservative4ev on June 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Frum is an ass.

Dreadnought on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Agreed, why the HA authors (particularly AP) publish him so much is beyond me. Frum Forum gets very little play and much of it comes from liberals.

bw222 on June 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Wasn’t Romney governor of like…”1 state” and we’re talking about the country.

Do patriots normally slink off when the going gets tough, because I’m thinking you would have said that Trenton was a dumb idea because so many battles had been lost before that.

Bishop on June 28, 2012 at 10:31 PM | Delete

And gee, the issues mentioned with Romney were, oh, golly gee, national issues that may, oh, I don’t know, indicate something about how he’d act while on the national stage! Amazing how I use past performance to gauge future performance, isn’t it?

And Trenton would have been a dumb idea had Washington consistently spoken with a heavy German accent.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM

If the GOP fails to defeat this Obamacare monstrosity, I’m out.

Need a new Party.

The Life, Liberty & Pursuit of Happiness Party.

Something shorter, but pithy & apt.

Because the Republicans and Democrats are both becoming The Donner Party.

When it comes to the Constitution.

profitsbeard on June 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Those who would hand over this country to people determined to destroy what’s left of it are not worth much in my book.

TXMomof3 on June 28, 2012 at 10:35 PM

1.) Sure, Roberts may have sold himself as something he’s not. The point is, we should have sufficient confidence in our nominees that this sort of thing should not happen. The Left never worries about the opinions of Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Breyer.

2.) Yes, Mitt’s “the guy.” And there’s no reason to trust “the guy.” Romney will take any position and say anything. Look at his record, and there’s far less reason to have any confidence in him than there was in Roberts’ own appointment.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:25 PM

There are no guarantees. Didn’t Reagan push through amnesty? And as you pointed out, a couple of his court picks ended up squishes. The Left never worries about their choices because their choices-collectively-have the brain power of a snow pea. Yet, you’d grant Obama four more years of those choices. Just doesn’t compute.

The bottom line is you know what Obama is about. You know what he’ll push, the EOs he’ll sign, and the nominees he’ll make. Romney might suck, too, but you don’t know that…you can suspect it or see it in his record all you want, but you don’t know. That’s the difference to me. It’s not perfect, or even ideal…it is what it is, and you either try to make the best out of a bad situation or roll over and give the Dems the country.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Roberts was the darling of conservatives, they can scream traitor all they want now, but it was not just Bush that liked this guy. He had a lot of support from many of the same people who are calling him names today.

As for Romney, he never took office and then crammed a piece of legislation down the throats of the electorate on a one party vote line when he knew full well that it was not wanted. He is a better choice than Obama by a mile.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM

He never had any support from me. First off he’s a Harvard Law grad, strike one. Second Harvard Law nutcase Lawrence Tribe loves him, strke two. Third he didn’t have enough dissent from the senate leftist, and leftist in general, when he was confirmed, strike three.

He’s a marxist, worse yet he doesn’t see himself that way.

bgibbs1000 on June 28, 2012 at 10:35 PM

I say destroy this entire country, just burn it down, I am so sick of it.

BillCarson on June 28, 2012 at 10:12 PM

You have to burn the village in order to save the village

Conservative4ev on June 28, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Considering the fact that Sarah Palin would probably get her ass handed to her..I would rather have Romney.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Right now I’d follow Palin to form a third party rather than stay with Romney and the backstabbing GOP.

dominigan on June 28, 2012 at 10:36 PM

You’ll notice that the railing against the MA healthcare bill was pertinent to a national policy and an issue of character.

Staying home makes me a realist, and someone who’s not going to be taken for a ride anymore.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:32 PM

What I noticed is that you blew off Wisconsin because it was just a state matter and did not matter…states only matter when you want them to.

Romney did not pass this bill or support it. The idea that Democrats who have been trying to pass a national health care bill for decades could not have come up with one without Romney is absurd.

And btw, you yourself along with Glenn Beck are doing nothing to change anything yourself. You can blame others, preach, rail…but it comes down to you getting mad and giving up.

And Beck is just a showman who makes money flapping his gums…he has not done one single thing to stop any of this either.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:38 PM

So now just like the libs out there, Glenn Beck thinks that Bush had Miss Cleo working for him.

“Yah, mon. Deh Roberts will say dat a future healthcare bill is constitutional, yah. So now dat you know that, do you want to nominate him?”

“Yes mam”.

Glenn, I understand your anger but you really lost it. How the he!! was Bush supposed to know that Roberts would say that Obamacare was constitutional when such a thing didn’t even exist yet.

DethMetalCookieMonst on June 28, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Those who would hand over this country to people determined to destroy what’s left of it are not worth much in my book.

TXMomof3 on June 28, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Same here. If you don’t care anymore, why the hell are you on a political website? Go back to your sports statistics and your reality television. You just wanted an excuse to stop caring about things that matter, because you’re too weak to handle a loss. Losses happen. Back in 1994, the Assault Weapons Ban was passed. It was egregiously constrictive on gun rights. Ten years later, it went down in flames. Nothing is invulnerable in law.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:38 PM

What does it matter? Are we seriously relitigating the primaries, especially concerning someone who didn’t even run? I mean, yes, I suppose we’d know where Palin stood on stuff…OK. And? She chose to sit on the sidelines, so it doesn’t matter. Our reality is Mitt is the nominee, and it’s him or Obama.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:26 PM

He might be your nominee. I’m not a republican anymore. I’m already gone. Left the reservation. Shuffled off to Buffalo. I’m one of the guys you’ll have to convince. You’ll have to offer me something. Here’s a hint: A browbeating won’t work. Insulting me won’t work.

The fact that Romney is your nominee is your problem. It speaks worlds about you. It’s not my problem, though.

trigon on June 28, 2012 at 10:38 PM

“That’s it”? You think conservative governors across the country aren’t going to be tempted and inspired to make similar reforms, now that they’ve seen him survive one of the most hostile campaigns against a governor in decades?

They may try. Like Kasich, they may fail, or, if they succeed, they may see their efforts rendered all for naught by a court. Brewer knows this best of all. The solution doesn’t lie with the states when the Feds are the ones who ultimately exercise control and authority over them. If you want to get anywhere, the national stage is where to play ball. Unfortunately, the GOP seems hellbent on playing badly.

Okay then, what other ally can we conjure up in the next four months? If we lose now, ObamaCare will remain in full effect for the next four years. By the time we get back into the White House, it’ll be old news, and people’s passions will likely have cooled as they take the apathetic approach in increasing numbers. If you’re not looking for a solution, what good are you doing?

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I think you’re already too late. It was game over as soon as Romney was the nominee. You might get another chance in 4 years, and I certainly hope so (though I doubt it), but that’s it. SCOTUS has pretty much ensured that this will be a permanent fixture.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Roberts was the darling of conservatives, they can scream traitor all they want now, but it was not just Bush that liked this guy. He had a lot of support from many of the same people who are calling him names today.

As for Romney, he never took office and then crammed a piece of legislation down the throats of the electorate on a one party vote line when he knew full well that it was not wanted. He is a better choice than Obama by a mile.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Yeah, everyone thought Roberts was a solid, strict constructionist…apparently not so much. I don’t blame Bush for that. Sometimes these picks throw you curves (to borrow from Robert’s confirmation hearings a bit).

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Bishop on June 28, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Bishop, serious question: At what point would you say that it’s truly over?

Not,” at what point do you stop fighting for what you believe in?” but how would one recognize that what you are fighting for is no longer a present reality but an idea alone?

Cleombrotus on June 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

He never had any support from me. First off he’s a Harvard Law grad, strike one. Second Harvard Law nutcase Lawrence Tribe loves him, strke two. Third he didn’t have enough dissent from the senate leftist, and leftist in general, when he was confirmed, strike three.

He’s a marxist, worse yet he doesn’t see himself that way.

bgibbs1000 on June 28, 2012 at 10:35 PM

I suppose this’ll get me in trouble, but everyone always wonders why the conservative justices veer left, while the liberals never turn right. The answer is…wives. It is their wives who love the DC party circuit, which is much more liberal than conservative. While I still think there are a lot of silver linings in Roberts’ decision today, I think it was easy for him to side with the wacko lefties on the court because his wife is probably a wacko lefty or counts many of them among her social set.

Rational Thought on June 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM

I was listening to Beck this morning live as the travesty happened.

I’ve always liked Beck’s radio show including his interaction with Stu and Pat.

You can see how p!ssed Beck and all 3 of them are. I appreciate and share their passion. Beck said he’s never even heard Pat swear for all the years they’ve worked together before today.

That’s why Beck and company are some of the good guys.

LevinFan on June 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM

And the consequences were peanuts.

I guess you can say they were peanuts unless you consider the fact that Walker was able to do what others hadn’t had the stones to even attempt. He proved to have a successful blueprint for other states who are in financial difficulty, especially when dealing with unions.

What Scott Walker has done for WI is truly astounding, especially given today’s circumstances.

Peanuts………..

Like I said, your posts on this thread have made you irrelevent.

kakypat on June 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I’ll leave it at this, and scoff at it all you like:

Liberty or Death.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Right now I’d follow Palin to form a third party rather than stay with Romney and the backstabbing GOP.

dominigan on June 28, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Sarah Palin is a Republican and always has been…And the GOP is not the ones doing the back stabbing here.

I mean how is it that the whole party gets the blame for a decision they did not even support..for a bill that they did not even vote for?

I read stuff like this and I wonder if some of these comments are actually being made by Democrats pretending to be someone else.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Right now I’d follow Palin to form a third party rather than stay with Romney and the backstabbing GOP.

dominigan on June 28, 2012 at 10:36 PM

3rd parties are a bad idea.

Co-opt the and overtake the Republican party from within.

This is exactly what happened with the Democrats.

tetriskid on June 28, 2012 at 10:42 PM

have to agree with beck

I liked W notnanymorenthis truly destroyed his legacy. I threw his magnet out on my fridge

Conservative4ev on June 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM

GRIN

I wish I had some W memorabilia I would be abusing it right now.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Patriot, my ass. You’re a loser. Get up, brush off the dirt, and get back in the fight. If you love your country, prove it.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Prove it by voting for the grandfather of Obamacare? What’s happened to you, when did you start supporting Romney?

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 10:42 PM

What I noticed is that you blew off Wisconsin because it was just a state matter and did not matter…states only matter when you want them to.

Then let me simplify things for you. There is a difference between character and policy. Policies enacted at the state level can tell you something about a candidate’s character, but in the grand scheme of things, matter very little on their own because they affect only their own state, and only with Federal approval, be it tacit or explicit.

Romney did not pass this bill or support it. The idea that Democrats who have been trying to pass a national health care bill for decades could not have come up with one without Romney is absurd.

Romney passed something entirely analogous to this. Romney was supporting the idea of the individual mandate even in the 2008 primary as a form of personal responsibility. Now, you can either get willingly played for a fool and believe that he’s converted, or, by examining his behavior, reasonably conclude that he’ll say anything to get elected.

And btw, you yourself along with Glenn Beck are doing nothing to change anything yourself. You can blame others, preach, rail…but it comes down to you getting mad and giving up.

And Beck is just a showman who makes money flapping his gums…he has not done one single thing to stop any of this either.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:38 PM | Delete

The way to change things is to go third party. I suggest the Constitution Party. How’s that for a start?

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Beck on the ObamaCare ruling: I sure am tired of prominent Republicans selling out conservatives

Would that then include Allahpundit?

Czar of Defenestration on June 28, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Liberty or Death a strongly worded letter to my congressman.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 10:41 PM

equanimous on June 28, 2012 at 10:43 PM

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