Beck on the ObamaCare ruling: I sure am tired of prominent Republicans selling out conservatives

posted at 9:21 pm on June 28, 2012 by Allahpundit

A sentiment widely shared today, no doubt. Over at Ace’s place, DrewM issues a warning:

Dear GOP,

This is your last chance. If you blow this, I’m out and you need to be destroyed.

What is it? Repeal ObamaCare on Day 1. Don’t worry about replace, don’t worry about anything else…

[A]s soon as Mitt takes the oath of office, before his speech no one will care or remember, walk the bill up to him at the podium to sign.

If this does not happen, the GOP must be destroyed and a new party built to replace it. We’ve tried the carrot approach (votes, money, volunteers) to change your behavior. Now it’s time to show you the stick.

David Frum counters: If you think the GOP’s going to repeal ObamaCare now, you’re kidding yourselves.

[E]ven if Republicans do win the White House and Senate in 2012, how much appetite will they then have for that 1-page repeal bill? Suddenly it will be their town halls filled with outraged senior citizens whose benefits are threatened; their incumbencies that will be threatened. Already we are hearing that some Republicans wish to retain the more popular elements of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Which means the proposed 1-page bill will begin to grow…

Republicans will find the task of writing their “replace” law even more agonizing than the Democrats found original passage. The party has no internal consensus on what a replacement would look like. Worse, any replacement of the law’s popular elements will require financing. But where is that money to come from? New taxes are unacceptable. The proceeds of “closing loopholes” are already spoken for—that’s how President Romney has promised to finance his promise to cut the top rate of tax 28%. And he’s also promised to increase defense spending…

[T]he clock is ticking. President Obama passed the ACA in the second year of his administration. A President Romney will have to pass repeal in the first year of his, because the law goes into effect in 2014. By then, states will have to have their exchanges up and working.

That’s all fine, but Drew’s captured the mood of the base well in his post, I think. If the GOP ends up with the numbers to repeal O-Care, it’d be a catastrophic, possibly politically fatal betrayal at this point for them not to follow through. The fact that it was Roberts who swung to the left in today’s decision rather than the mercurial Kennedy only compounds conservatives’ trauma: At this point, a la Beck, it really does feel like there’s no one in a position of power who can be trusted. The last Republican president ran up big deficits and expanded health-care entitlements; the Republican chief justice he appointed just voted to uphold ObamaCare; and the current Republican nominee pioneered the concept of health-care mandates in Massachusetts. If a Republican-controlled Congress rubber-stamps Obama’s health-care leviathan by refusing to act on it, I don’t know what happens to turnout in 2014 and 2016. Good news for the No Labels crowd, I guess — that’ll be the closest America’s come yet to seeing a true third party develop. Democrats on the left, conservatives on the right, and the no-labels rump of the GOP smack dab in the center. They might as well take their chances with angry seniors at those townhalls; you might win them back eventually, but you won’t win back righties who’ve suffered one too many sellouts.


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I like Michael Savage’s take on this as well.

SouthernGent on June 28, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Drewm nailed it.

Kataklysmic on June 28, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Dear GOP,

This is your last chance. If you blow this, I’m out and you need to be destroyed.

Oh please, people have been giving the GOP “one last chance” forever. Enough of that pointless BS already, just do it. Give the ruling class the middle finger and vote for Gary Johnson. Let’s make a difference and repeal Obamneycare! Please, don’t just roll over and give up again like every other time. This is too important.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:27 PM

“As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts…[Roberts] hold[s] dear what the great Chief Justice John Marshall called “the basis on which the whole American fabric has been erected”: a written Constitution, with real and determinate meaning. The judges that Mitt nominates will exhibit a genuine appreciation for the text, structure, and history of our Constitution and interpret the Constitution and the laws as they are written. And his nominees will possess a demonstrated record of adherence to these core principles.”

–mittromney.com

Firefly_76 on June 28, 2012 at 9:27 PM

This is Obama’s worst nightmare, re-enegizing the TEA Party.

Tater Salad on June 28, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Also, in essence, isnt’ this is a poll tax??

SouthernGent on June 28, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Roberts just gave obama his second term.

BallisticBob on June 28, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Oh please, people have been giving the GOP “one last chance” forever. Enough of that pointless BS already, just do it. Give the ruling class the middle finger and vote for Gary Johnson. Let’s make a difference and repeal Obamneycare! Please, don’t just roll over and give up again like every other time. This is too important.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Gary Johnson blew it. He should have become the Senator from New Mexico and advanced his positions within the Republican party.

Instead he is having a midlife crisis.

Johnson needs to go buy a sports car.

tetriskid on June 28, 2012 at 9:30 PM

If a Republican-controlled Congress rubber-stamps Obama’s health-care leviathan by refusing to act on it, I don’t know what happens to turnout in 2014 and 2016.

Sure maybe the republicans string the base along through one more election cycle. But Independents are not invested in the republican party that’s why they are Independents. And if the republicans think Independents are dumb enough to fall for Lucy holding the football one more time for them to kick it, they are out to lunch. The RINO’s alla Bush’s appointee overplayed the progressive hand going into this election, and it’s going to hurt Romney. Just like when Bush passed TARP in Sept 2008 hurt McCain. Apparently the Bush’s want liberal presidents “Ruling” the United States from here on out. Going by Hillary Clinton’s response on this decision -machinations by John Roberts, the Clintons are cool with that.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Firefly_76 on June 28, 2012 at 9:27 PM

In all fairness – very few people saw this coming.

If anybody was going over I thought it would be Kennedy.

gophergirl on June 28, 2012 at 9:30 PM

there’s a brutal takedown of this whole charade at Althouse…including a takedown of Roberts

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-chief-justice-roberts-reenvisioned.html#more

i’m not going to excerpt it…too long, too good.

but, short story…we’ve been had…and scotus (Roberts) went along

she is pretty strong on the point that barry.care is designed to fail, and give us single payer soon

r keller on June 28, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Why do I think that the GOP response to Drew’s letter is: Dear Voter: beyond pandering to you to get our chosen candidates re-elected, ask us if we care.

natasha333 on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

This is Obama’s worst nightmare, re-enegizing the TEA Party.

Tater Salad on June 28, 2012 at 9:28 PM

And possibly making the Dem base complacent, and less likely to donate or GOTV.

Wethal on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Beck spends five minutes railing against GOP progressives then pays tribute to a communist.

Mark1971 on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Floating Rock, STFU! With Romney and conservatives like Rand, Demint, Lee, Johnson, et al, we at least have a chance of having it repealed. Wasting our vote on Gary Johnson ensures Obamatax’s survival.

Donald Draper on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

The Rs are an ineffective party. Period. End of story. The last R of note was Reagan. There’s some good new blood in the house and theres DeMint, but that does not a movement for national transformation make.

sbvft contributor on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I’m not hopeful of the entire law being thrown out.

The mandate needs to be repealed though even if to replace it with another mechanism.

ninjapirate on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Dear GOP,

This is your last chance. If you blow this, I’m out and you need to be destroyed.

What is it? Repeal ObamaCare on Day 1. Don’t worry about replace, don’t worry about anything else…

[A]s soon as Mitt takes the oath of office, before his speech no one will care or remember, walk the bill up to him at the podium to sign.

If this does not happen, the GOP must be destroyed and a new party built to replace it. We’ve tried the carrot approach (votes, money, volunteers) to change your behavior. Now it’s time to show you the stick.

Oh, give me a break. We hear this tough talk every cycle: “Now next time we’re REALLY going to mean it!” Bullshite. If Romney wins, in 2016 we’ll get the same old browbeating whip-everyone-into-line treatment. If Romney loses we’ll get the same old b1tching and moaning about Palinistas and SoCons and TrueCons and Jeb/Marco is so dreamy and the polls show he’s the most electable!!!!!!!

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Supremes Okay More Fascism In Amerika

hey, all you repuke supporters – recall voting for Bush because he would give you so-called “conservative” justices.

Yea, well, you can now give Justice Roberts your daily BJ with his “vote” for imposing those shackles on you.

Have fun swallowing.

roflmao

donabernathy on June 28, 2012 at 9:33 PM

she is pretty strong on the point that barry.care is designed to fail, and give us single payer soon

r keller on June 28, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Yep, that seems to be the plan.

d1carter on June 28, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Republican statist rent-seekers like Romney & Co. love the concept that the government can force you to buy a product. Anyone who has any delusions about what is going to happen with OCare if the Republicans “win” in November needs to get this through their heads.

ebrown2 on June 28, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Why do I think that the GOP response to Drew’s letter is: Dear Voter: beyond pandering to you to get our chosen candidates re-elected, ask us if we care.

natasha333 on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Add, “because we know you’re stuck with us, and will continue to vote for us, since the alternative of Obama is worse. We can continue to take you for granted.”

Wethal on June 28, 2012 at 9:33 PM

…but you won’t win back righties who’ve suffered one too many sellouts.

Remember those of us who’ve been saying we passed that point awhile back? Already been more than one too many. You guys go ahead and get your hopes up about Romney and ‘reconciliation’ in the Senate, and whatever you’d care to delude yourself with at the moment, but I’m agreeing with David Frum – who’m I despise – the GOP aren’t going to repeal this, even if they get enough seats to take control over all three branches.

There are a few bright lights there, but as a group, they simply have neither the balls nor the desire to actually be conservative. They don’t want to kill the beast, they want to manage it.

Midas on June 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM

You wonder why the British Tories and Canadian Conservatives are the way they are — doomed to permanent electoral irrelevance?

This is why – they didn’t believe in the concepts they were supposedly standing for. They’re more sober and mildly nationalist custodians of their socialist welfare states. And so they’re spectators in the fate of their nation – and as of 2008, America isn’t around to guarantee anything anymore.

HitNRun on June 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM

In all fairness – very few people saw this coming.

If anybody was going over I thought it would be Kennedy.

gophergirl on June 28, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I’ve been posting for months that it would be 6-3 to uphold. I knew Roberts would betray us and expected Kennedy to as well but was not as certain with Kennedy.

bgibbs1000 on June 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I have no confidence in the feckless GOP house. They have had 2 years to obstruct the implementation of obamatax. Each time a spending bill came up for vote they increased the deficit and did nothing to stop obamatax.

They sat on the sidelines, relying on the states and supreme court to throw it out.

I don’t believe they want to repeal it and I certainly don’t want their replacement.

Congress is a joke.

workhard on June 28, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Thanks Bush. You gave us Obama and put a squish on the court. Your Mom is a abortion fanatic/Palin basher and your pop is a little crybaby. Please just disappear and take your open borders brother with you.

sbvft contributor on June 28, 2012 at 9:36 PM

David Frum counters:

posted at 9:21 pm on June 28, 2012 by Allahpundit

Newsflash, AP: There’s only one person in the whole world who gives a flying rat’s ass what David Frum has to say about anything.

(And it’s not David Frum.)

logis on June 28, 2012 at 9:36 PM

“If this does not happen, the GOP must be destroyed and a new party built to replace it.”
Love the idea. I think we all can agree that “Republican” is a tarnished brand, with a country club reputation, not Joe the Plumber.
Just dumping the Republican name will win us several points in the polls. But there’s more. It’s time we cater to Joe the Plumber, and the country clubbers and most of the old authoritarian guard will come along.
What does Joe the Plumber want? Ask him. That’s the replacement party we need to create. I know that Joe doesn’t like the antiquated cr@p that the old guard still finds a rationale for supporting. Joe pretty much is going to talk like John Stossel, I think. That’s where the new majority is going to be found; that’s what is going to explode the left – right paradigm as it currently exists.

anotherJoe on June 28, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Roberts just gave obama his second term.

BallisticBob on June 28, 2012 at 9:29 PM

No, GOP primary voters did. This issue was off the table the moment Romney wrapped it up.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

This is about where I am right now. I despise Obama so much that my vote won’t go to Gary Johnson today, but I’m not optimistic that voting Republican will fix anything anymore either.

So I will back Romney. I will support Republicans at every level. And then I will see if they do as they have promised. Between Twitter and Facebook I have read dozens of “statements” all saying the same thing about what a disaster Obamatax is, how it needs to go, and how the court let us down so we need to do it the hard way and go for full repeal. My response – you’re all on record, and you have one chance, God willing, after November. Don’t take advantage of it and there is no longer any reason for my support. Even the “lesser evil” argument only works if those who claim that title act as any lesser of an evil than their opponent.

If nothing is done in January 2013, then I am done. Not one cent. Not one vote. If the GOP reaffirms Obamatax through inaction and through making up excuses, it’s over. You don’t need 60 votes in the Senate. You don’t need to wait until after 2014. And no I don’t care to hear about appointing justices to the Supreme Court – screw that, people need to stop pretending as if they’ll bail us out of crap legislation instead of repeatedly letting us down. If nothing is done on day one, then President Romney does not have my support. Congressional leaders have no leeway as they make excuses and compromises and talk about procedure. At that point I’m either a revolutionary or an expatriate, because this country is hopelessly gone.

And all that said, I expect that this country is indeed hopelessly gone. Republicans are getting this chance to prove me wrong.

Gingotts on June 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

This is good stuff. It being payday, I gave a hundo myself. I was pretty bummed this morning, but then I realized: WE CAN’T BE LIKE THAT “DEMOCRACY DIED TONIGHT!!#!!!!111″ GUY FROM WISCONSIN. We can’t quit. Other than this one decision, the world is going our way and we can’t step off their goddamned throats for one second!

-DanInMN from AoSHQ

thebrokenrattle on June 28, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Washington, D.C. has a powerful current that few can resist. Conservatives go there with conviction only to find fighting against the incredible social stream to be exhausting. Eventually they cave. Roberts caved.

How easy it must be to be a liberal, waving your hands and smiling as you deliver treats to the masses. But history will not be kind to the Pelosis, Obamas, and Reids of the world. It will be kind to Mitch Daniels, Scott Walker, and other conservative governors who have done the impossible: given their people a dose of bitter medicine.

I like Romney and will vote for him but I secretly wonder, is he another John Roberts? Will the stream take him away? Does he have that inner resolve, that almost denialism that it takes to be a conservative in Washington?

Time will tell.

MaxMBJ on June 28, 2012 at 9:38 PM

If we’re serious about it, we’d better start a serious effort to change state laws and make them friendlier to a third party.

avgjo on June 28, 2012 at 9:39 PM

You wonder why the British Tories and Canadian Conservatives are the way they are — doomed to permanent electoral irrelevance?

This is why – they didn’t believe in the concepts they were supposedly standing for. They’re more sober and mildly nationalist custodians of their socialist welfare states. And so they’re spectators in the fate of their nation – and as of 2008, America isn’t around to guarantee anything anymore.

HitNRun on June 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Agreed on the UK. Their conservative party is nothing of the sort, made up of squishes ideologically in the vicinity of Tony Blair. Don’t lump the Canadians in with them though. On social issues they’re still in desperate shambles, but most everywhere else they have made great strides over the past five years. I’d take Harper over our leadership any day.

Gingotts on June 28, 2012 at 9:40 PM

DrewM missed it. I’m already there. I won’t be voting for the GOP. Enough of this crap. It’s time to give te Constitution Party a shot.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 9:40 PM

but you won’t win back righties who’ve suffered one too many sellouts.

Whimpy’s Tuesday will finally arrive on the first day of the New Congress. Will he pay or beg for some more time to do the right thing.If he begs for more time the GOP is totally dead to me.

F

loatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Are you assuming that the house and senate will pass a repeal and Romney won’t sign it while Gary Johnson would? There is no guarantee that the new Congress will pass a repeal so what could Gary Johnson do even if he won?

chemman on June 28, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Give the ruling class the middle finger and vote for Gary Johnson. Let’s make a difference and repeal Obamneycare! Please, don’t just roll over and give up again like every other time. This is too important.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Brilliant! Why not just not vote as well. That turned out well in 06 which gave the left enough Senators to attempt the healthcare bill since they had 60 in 09… helped of course that voters decided to stay home and let the far leftest President in history in along with a Congressional majority. Let’s not try to elect people and hold their feet to the fire, let’s follow the path of 06. Hell, it isn’t like Obama could have any more wild dreams he wants passed and could now try since he isn’t going to be up for election ever again.

Tantrums don’t work. What the right needs to figure out is what the left already knows- sometimes you take what is available, even if it isn’t the ideal and use it as a stopgap while you pressure that person like hell to conform while also working to get in people around them who can serve as stopgaps on those around them if they choose to go soft.

We already see what not playing gets. Doing the same damn thing isn’t going to get any different results and it makes it _that much harder_ to find someone who actually may change things later. But somehow thinking “The Perfect Candidate” will just materialize isn’t going to happen. Ever. If that is what you are hopping for you’ve already forfeited the game to the side that is willing to put in effort to continually move the ball while you wait for some savior that doesn’t exist to fix everything overnight.

Betenoire on June 28, 2012 at 9:42 PM

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Except that Roberts has always been a statist, Washington insider, big government republican. the only reason the Bush team picked him was because they thought he’d rubber stamp their expansion of executive power w/r/t the GWOT. He cannnot and never could be trusted to uphold the constitution.

This short, but excellent post by David Bernstein explains. http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/28/the-perils-of-shortsightedness/

Firefly_76 on June 28, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I agree that this might very well be the republican party’s last
chance.

We conservatives, and there are more of us every day, are sick and
tired of the liberals and their look alike, act alike rino counterparts.

The aged population, baby boomers, if you will, are increasing in
numbers and we have seen this too many times. Our voting block
is huge, we are informed. Many of us pay very close attention to
politics. We are disgusted that these socialists/marxists/communists are destroying our beloved country.

We, unlike the whacked out, no nothing citizens who march, trash
public property, rape, etc. in the name of protests, know a country that was free, not one sitting on the precipice of dictatorship.

We don’t like it and we will work hard to fight it with every last breath. We will keep our neighbors, friends and colleagues
informed through (thank God) the truth we find on the internet,
for hell only knows we won’t find it on what Palin calls the
“lamestream press”.

I can’t remember who said it, however, “we have just begun to fight”.

Amjean on June 28, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Dear GOP: You Get One More Chance

After ObamaCare passed I wrote and open letter to the GOP, “Dear GOP: Fight”.
Here’s my letter to the GOP after today’s events at the Supreme Court:

Dear GOP,

This is your last chance. If you blow this, I’m out and you need to be destroyed.

What is it? Repeal ObamaCare on Day 1. Don’t worry about replace, don’t worry about anything else. We will do everything we have to drag your sorry asses over the line this fall, including electing Mitt Fucking Romney.

In return this is what you will do:

Instead of adjourning for pictures and tea and cake to celebrate getting your pathetic asses elected to 2 or 6 years on the government teet, you will immediately pass a one line bill that says, “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (and whatever statute number has to be included) is hereby repealed.”

That’s it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Since Congress meets before Inauguration Day, Obama will still be President. Simply hold the legislation at the desk so the 10 day pocket veto clock doesn’t start. If other parliamentary BS is needed, just do it.

Then as soon as Mitt takes the oath of office, before his speech no one will care or remember, walk the bill up to him at the podium to sign.

If this does not happen, the GOP must be destroyed and a new party built to replace it. We’ve tried the carrot approach (votes, money, volunteers) to change your behavior. Now it’s time to show you the stick.

No more, “oh the other guys are worse” scare tactics. That might be true but it doesn’t mean you are any good.

This is your one job, do it or join the Whig Party in the dustbin of history.

Posted by: DrewM. at 07:03 PM

This is, bar none, the best thing written on the internet today.

MadisonConservative on June 28, 2012 at 9:42 PM

i understand the anger toward Rs.

but, they just reflect their parts of the country. And, they know the old saw that you don’t piss off people who buy ink by the barrel.

regrettably we have a socialist press…and a socialist hollywood. And, many many parts of the country are socialist and machine run.

so the Rs will always be fighting with the hard left from IL, CA, NY, etc. some wag said that in the 60s the mob/machine urban pols married the commies…and then people like uncle saul rose up…and there was born the dim party we have now…part mob/machine, part socialist

and the press is always in attack mode against the Rs. it is a daunting challenge. but i grant that up to now the Rs have been happy to get their crumbs, and be coopted…cheap dates so to speak

r keller on June 28, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Oh please, people have been giving the GOP “one last chance” forever. Enough of that pointless BS already, just do it. Give the ruling class the middle finger and vote for Gary Johnson. Let’s make a difference and repeal Obamneycare! Please, don’t just roll over and give up again like every other time. This is too important.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:27 PM

And gift wrap the election for Obama? Gary Johnson isn’t winning squat.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Sadly Roberts accomplished exactly what he was trying so hard to avoid! Rewriting law from the bench. He will go down in history as nothing more than a footnote to Obamacare after it is repealed. Every decision henceforth will be suspect and politically motivated! There are great justices and he has proven he is not!

shov74 on June 28, 2012 at 9:44 PM

DrewM for POTUS.

Bishop on June 28, 2012 at 9:45 PM

but you won’t win back righties who’ve suffered one too many sellouts.

amen

renalin on June 28, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Roberts just gave obama his second term.

BallisticBob on June 28, 2012 at 9:29 PM

No, GOP primary voters did. This issue was off the table the moment Romney wrapped it up.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I am no Romney fan but Romney’s the only one who had the apparatus in place to raise the “Money” needed to mount a challenge this cycle. He’s a lousy campaigner, he might make a better President.

He’s missing an opportunity right now to hit Roberts who deserves it. I got a Romney campaign solicitation, Dismissing today’s court ruling, and saying it’s a bad law that needs repealed, isn’t going to cut it. He needs to come out and dress down Roberts.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 9:45 PM

So I will back Romney. I will support Republicans at every level. And then I will see if they do as they have promised.

Gingotts on June 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

And when they don’t, you will continue to give them just one more chance. If not you, then a sufficient number of sheeple will fall right back in line and browbeat everyone to support whatever squish is vomited up out of the process. We’ve had two squishy nominees in a row. I’m not buying for a second all this “We mean it! This is it!!!” crap. The GOPe knows better.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:45 PM

DrewM missed it. I’m already there. I won’t be voting for the GOP. Enough of this crap. It’s time to give te Constitution Party a shot.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Yeah, that’s real logical…punish the GOP by handing Obama another term.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM

He’s absolutely correct.
Every time I turn around we are getting screwed over by some Republican turn coat.

Collins, Snowe, Lugar ,Specter, Murkowski, Alexander, Graham, McConnell, Jeffries and sometimes even Boehner and many others like these GOP appointed judges.
All this occurs while the Tea Party who gave them back the house gets treated worse than they are by the liberals.
At least the lefties are honest enough to tell us they despise us.
Not like the back stabbing GOP who ride in on our wave then promptly chases us off like stray dog.
How many GOP Senators voted for Kagan and Sotomayor…?
How many Dems voted to for Miguel Estrada or Robert Bork…?

I am sick and tired of this reach across the aisle crap.
I don’t want to compromise with Democrats.
I want to destroy them as a party.

NeoKong on June 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM

They might as well take their chances with angry seniors at those townhalls;

As a “senior” I think you misread must seniors. You seem to assume that al of us want “our handouts.” Well, I contend that most seniors have children and grandchildren and are unhappy about the world the leftist bastards are leaving them.

Do I want my social Security? Damned right I do. I was part of the movement to do away with the damned thing and let us make our own retirement decisions back in the 1970s and 1980s. But he big government democrats and republicans wouldn’t let us so yes now I want what I was told was the only solution.

But I’d happily give up 10% of my Social Security and double my Medicare deduction IF this country would simply get on the right track and stop screwing my children. And I’d guess that there a lot of us out there who feel this way.

clippermiami on June 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I am ready for another revolution.

ultracon on June 28, 2012 at 9:47 PM

At this point, a la Beck, it really does feel like there’s no one in a position of power who can be trusted.

Implying Roberts wasn’t acting in good faith? Beck is a moron. I agree with what you posted earlier, AP, about the liberal judges being basically rubber stamps.. Wouldn’t it be more worrying if Roberts was just another rubber stamp for his “team”? Maybe some posters here would be happy with that but I wouldn’t.

Go RBNY on June 28, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Firefly_76 on June 28, 2012 at 9:42 PM

The only objection I have is to characterizing Bush’s disregard for Roberts views outside of increasing Bush’s power as “shortsightedness.”

There was nothing shortsighted about that selection. Bush’s criteria for the Justice was what it was. Bush wouldn’t know constitutional originalism and enumerated powers if they bit him.

And his “let me capture terrorists for the next few years” criteria for Roberts was still markedly better than the “find a friend to pay off for loyal service” criteria for his second pick.

HitNRun on June 28, 2012 at 9:48 PM

MaxMBJ on June 28, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Jim DeMint once said he goes home to SC every weekend he can, for just this reason. He knows that staying in DC all the time slowly changes one, and the urge to fit in, be part of the power circles, is too much. It’s subtle, and one doesn’t realize it until it’s too late.

Bennett and Lugar found this out, as did Mike Castle. Hatch liked to hang out with Teddy and vicariously commit all the sins a striaght-laced Mormon couldn’t do. Hatch had these prior examples in time to “reform” for 2012. Time will tell if it’s genuine.

Wethal on June 28, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Unlike Obama/Romney, Gary Johnson has always stood for freedom and liberty. I want Gary Johnson to pick SCOTUS nominees, not Obamney.

Here’s a really good video
, if you like it, please email it to people. Remind them that there are only going to be three presidential candidates on the ballot in all 50 states in November, and only one of them isn’t to blame for Romneycare, Gary Johnson.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Republicans are getting this chance to prove me wrong.

Gingotts on June 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Yes.

obladioblada on June 28, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I am no Romney fan but Romney’s the only one who had the apparatus in place to raise the “Money” needed to mount a challenge this cycle.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 9:45 PM

That’s a crock. He was the GOPe-approved squish, the Next In Line, he was the Only Adult In The Room and The Only One Who Can Beat Obama, and enough sheeple in the GOP swallowed the swill just as they will forever. The “apparatus” he had in place is called the RNC.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:51 PM

And when they don’t, you will continue to give them just one more chance. If not you, then a sufficient number of sheeple will fall right back in line and browbeat everyone to support whatever squish is vomited up out of the process. We’ve had two squishy nominees in a row. I’m not buying for a second all this “We mean it! This is it!!!” crap. The GOPe knows better.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Anyone calling their fellow men “sheeple”, no matter how maddening people’s decisions can be, is exposed as a misanthrope.

thebrokenrattle on June 28, 2012 at 9:51 PM

And gift wrap the election for Obama? Gary Johnson isn’t winning squat.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 9:44 PM

If you like Obamneycare or don’t really care about it very much then by all means, vote for Obamney, but I hope that most Americans will vote for Gary Johnson and only the koolaid drinkers will vote for Obama or Romney.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:51 PM

He’s missing an opportunity right now to hit Roberts who deserves it. I got a Romney campaign solicitation, Dismissing today’s court ruling, and saying it’s a bad law that needs repealed, isn’t going to cut it. He needs to come out and dress down Roberts.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 9:45 PM

missing an oppurtunity?mitts loving this.it’ll give him more cover to play footsies with the dems and slip in another lib SCOTUS.

time to wake up people. mitts leading down a wormhole.

renalin on June 28, 2012 at 9:52 PM

I am ready for another revolution.

ultracon on June 28, 2012 at 9:47 PM

You won’t like it.

Bishop on June 28, 2012 at 9:53 PM

I like Michael Savage’s take on this as well.

SouthernGent on June 28, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I missed that (family issues intervened)… hopefully I can find it for download. I’m not paying TRN $6 for one single broadcast.

Ugly on June 28, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Third party?

Won’t work. Ask Teddy Roosevelt. Ask George Wallace, John Anderson, Ross Perot, etc etc etc.

Takeover the gop and throw the Bushes and all the RINOs out. It’s going to take DECADES to get this turned around. It’s taken the Darwinist Progressives 100 years to do this to us.

Don’t go wobbly, suck it up and work your behinds off from now until Nov 6th……and the replace Boehner, and the rest. Let’s do a coup in the party…..one RINO at a time.

And truthfully the Bush family doesn’t care about limited government.

They have sucked off the teats of the Federal sow for generations.

They don’t care if they are minority or majority, they just want access.

PappyD61 on June 28, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Yeah, that’s real logical…punish the GOP by handing Obama another term.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

If they’re going to get everything anyway, regardless of what you do, then there is no point.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 9:54 PM

DrewM is so late to the game.

How many of us were screaming – 3rd party, and were ignored, or worse, mocked.

All of these old men, regardless of party, tied so tightly to “side money,” that they simply will not do what is right for the country, the ordinary citizen. They will only do what is best for them – and to continue the easy life, with money pouring into them, and a fantastic health care coverage that they will never, ever have to worry about.

Even disgusting people like Obama and his horrid wife would never step foot in a “public health care plan.” Nor, would they allow their children in public schools.

Do as I say… you peasants.

The GOP is no different. And, it will never change until they are all turned out. We were lucky, with the help of the Tea Party (and nothing else) that we got a few newcomers that might just be the new breed we have been waiting for.

But, for now, the GOP has a spineless Boehner, and a whole host of irrelevant old men.

Get rid of them.

Where have you been DrewM?

Frum is irrelevant. Why even quote him?

so-notbuyingit on June 28, 2012 at 9:54 PM

There is no need to give Romney one more chance.

Romney has telegraphed loud and clear that he feels that people have a RIGHT to FREE HEALTH CARE. A RIGHT. Free if needed.

There is no doubt he will veto that bill.

WAKE UP.

Look at Romneys RECORD.

Romney is a sleeper agent of the Democratic Party. Just like Roberts.

Steveangell on June 28, 2012 at 9:54 PM

is exposed as a misanthrope.

thebrokenrattle on June 28, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Is that a female werewolf?

Bishop on June 28, 2012 at 9:54 PM

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-chief-justice-roberts-reenvisioned.html#more

i’m not going to excerpt it…too long, too good.

but, short story…we’ve been had…and scotus (Roberts) went along

she is pretty strong on the point that barry.care is designed to fail, and give us single payer soon

r keller on June 28, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Single payer is the proggies dream, always has been. After we get rid of Obamacare we need to build some poison pills into the system so the progs can’t redo Obamacare the first time they have the seats for it.

slickwillie2001 on June 28, 2012 at 9:54 PM

About the only time I fully agree with Beck and his “passion”. I wish he wouldn’t wear a bracelet in commemoration of Nelson Mandela, regardless of his reasoning.

rickv404 on June 28, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Destroyed?

No.

Dissolved from the inside, out.

I want to hear the Elites wailing and crying about ‘how this isn’t their daddy’s Republican Party’. Because it WON’T BE.

The entire party Elite structure needs to be removed slowly, painfully, with their nails digging into the woodwork that rips away in their hands to reveal the termites they have put up with. The entire internal structure of the Republican Party needs to reflect those who are its members, not those who are its leaders.

Those ‘leaders’ must go.

Bit by bit, and then start changing the damn by-laws of the Party to remove those Party organs that are a cancer to the members of the party and destructive to the Nation as a whole. Liquidate the old structure and just keep the pretty name and make it a party that understands what a REPUBLIC ACTUALLY IS.

ajacksonian on June 28, 2012 at 9:55 PM

If you like Obamneycare or don’t really care about it very much then by all means, vote for Obamney, but I hope that most Americans will vote for Gary Johnson and only the koolaid drinkers will vote for Obama or Romney.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:51 PM

And that hope is based on what, exactly? The sterling record of other Libertarians in presidential elections? The optimism is neat and everything, but he’s got no shot at winning.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 9:56 PM

This is your one job, do it or join the Whig Party in the dustbin of history.

Posted by: DrewM. at 07:03 PM

Yeah, sure. That’s what people said back after ’08 when the tea party formed. That was their last chance. Between then and now the Republicans have been given plenty of last chances, and always the sheep return to the slaughter. Sure, they bleat and make a lot of noise to express their outrage, like Drew, but Republicans know that Americans have short political memories and before long all will be forgotten when GOP politicians pretend like they’re one of us for a few months before they get reelected.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:56 PM

That’s a crock. He was the GOPe-approved squish, the Next In Line, he was the Only Adult In The Room and The Only One Who Can Beat Obama, and enough sheeple in the GOP swallowed the swill just as they will forever. The “apparatus” he had in place is called the RNC.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Exactly who was going to raise MONEY to compete without the RNC’s connections? I’m not a republican but I get how it works. It was Mitt’s turn next. This is what the republicans are offering, and if you don’t like their candidate, you can vote for what the democrats are offering or you can throw your vote away on a third party candidate that doesn’t have a chance of winning. Or stay home and don’t vote at all. Those are the options.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

DrewM missed it. I’m already there. I won’t be voting for the GOP. Enough of this crap. It’s time to give te Constitution Party a shot.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Yeah, that’s real logical…punish the GOP by handing Obama another term.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM

That’s the exact same bullshit we’ll be hearing from the exact same people anytime there’s a threat of a Rube Revolt. Wave around that blue jersey and shriek about helping the commies.

Wouldn’t it be more worrying if Roberts was just another rubber stamp for his “team”? Maybe some posters here would be happy with that but I wouldn’t.

Go RBNY on June 28, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Wow, Roberts could really show how “independent” he is by backing open borders or whatever else Obama wants. This is the typical ‘bot “thinking”. There’s no philosophical conviction whatsoever.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

And that hope is based on what, exactly? The sterling record of other Libertarians in presidential elections? The optimism is neat and everything, but he’s got no shot at winning.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 9:56 PM

It’s based on the fact that voting for the father or grandfather of Obamacare is the wrong thing to do, and voting for Gary Johnson is the right thing to do.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Roberts was just another rubber stamp for his “team”? Maybe some posters here would be happy with that but I wouldn’t.

Go RBNY on June 28, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Roberts’ “team” is the federal/central government. In that sense, he is absolutely a rubber stamp.

Firefly_76 on June 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

And all that said, I expect that this country is indeed hopelessly gone. Republicans are getting this chance to prove me wrong.
Gingotts on June 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

They won’t.

Time to put your hope in Someone else.

Cleombrotus on June 28, 2012 at 9:58 PM

If you like Obamneycare or don’t really care about it very much then by all means, vote for Obamney, but I hope that most Americans will vote for Gary Johnson and only the koolaid drinkers will vote for Obama or Romney.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Rock, you do realize that as a whole, you couldn’t grab 10 people out of 100 on a busy urban street and get them to even recognize Gary Johnson name, let alone his platform.

Put another way, Roseanne Barr has more name recognition than Mr. Johnson, and she’s probably just as whacked-out as he is.

BlaxPac on June 28, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Beck spends five minutes railing against GOP progressives then pays tribute to a communist.

Mark1971 on June 28, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Yes, the man is infuriating at times, isn’t he? That’s why I can’t listen to him for long. His passion here is spot-on, however.

rickv404 on June 28, 2012 at 9:59 PM

If they’re going to get everything anyway, regardless of what you do, then there is no point.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 9:54 PM

They don’t get everything…if that were true, Walker would’ve been defeated in the recall. That was certainly worth the effort.

Sure, a lot of the R’s suck sometimes. Most of the time, even. But that doesn’t mean you throw up your hands and give the country to the Left. It’s mind boggling that anyone upset with today’s decision would decide to essentially give Obama another term.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Drastic times call for drastic measures.
Strongly worded letters don’t work for the UN and it sure ain’t working for the RINOs.

Keep your powder dry.

chango butt on June 28, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Exactly who was going to raise MONEY to compete without the RNC’s connections? I’m not a republican but I get how it works. It was Mitt’s turn next. This is what the republicans are offering, and if you don’t like their candidate, you can vote for what the democrats are offering or you can throw your vote away on a third party candidate that doesn’t have a chance of winning. Or stay home and don’t vote at all. Those are the options.

Dr Evil on June 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

And that’s the way it’s always going to be. So WHEN are you tough-talking never-againers going to get off the merry-go-round? Never.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 10:01 PM

And all that said, I expect that this country is indeed hopelessly gone. Republicans are getting this chance to prove me wrong.

Gingotts on June 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM

These are my sentiments as well. This is IT.

I’m done with Republicans if they once again prove that they are faithless, spineless, self-serving, corrupt statists just as their Dem counterparts are. I’m done.

Why? Many reasons, a long, long history of disappointments. But ObamaCare is the last straw. The revulsion I felt when it was passed was because I know that for people of my age and circumstances (unless they change) it is a death sentence. Plain and simple.

Having had experience with the British NHS I have good reason to have this opinion.

I despise this punk president who puts his feet on the Oval Office desk and the throats of the American people, and I equally despise his enablers which include many Republican elected representatives.

Cody1991 on June 28, 2012 at 10:01 PM

And when they don’t, you will continue to give them just one more chance. If not you, then a sufficient number of sheeple will fall right back in line and browbeat everyone to support whatever squish is vomited up out of the process. We’ve had two squishy nominees in a row. I’m not buying for a second all this “We mean it! This is it!!!” crap. The GOPe knows better.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Don’t know if you bothered to read anything around the two lines you quoted but no. I mean it when I say I’m done. If nothing else, I don’t believe that this nation will have enough left, if the GOP doesn’t win in 2012 and keep their promises. At that point it takes a Constitutional convention or a revolution.

I’m usually among the pragmatic crowd. I’ve been generally pro-Romney, and I do believe that voting third party is a good way to help the Democrats. This health care issue is my sticking point. There is just something about the legitimization of the notion that government can order me to spend my money however it pleases that irks me… Call me intolerant to fascism, I guess I’m just like that. If the GOP isn’t willing to give more than lip service to roll it back then there is no hope. At that point better to let the Democrats win so America can have its two generations of totalitarianism before the statists are overthrown for good.

I do sense a greater credibility from others as well, as opposed to the usual “last chance” stuff. There is a genuine anger here and an understanding that this is a defining moment for our nation.

As far as the immediate future, Romney’s challenge is clear, if he is indeed willing to take it up. Quite simply, the American people are angry and frustrated, and aren’t certain if he can or will fix it. They know that if there is even a slight chance it can get better, it requires that he win the election, but they aren’t certain that he actually will do it. Loyal conservatives are agreeing with David Frum, and thinking it’s over and even voting GOP won’t fix anything. If Romney wants to win the election, he quite simply has to convince us all otherwise. Forget GDP and unemployment reports. Forget Syria and Egypt. Forget polling in Ohio and Wisconsin, and whether Pennsylvania is in play and what running mate will help in the Midwest. If Romney wants to win, he just has to make us believe that he actually will repeal this monstrosity.

And if Romney wants an approval rating above 40% more than a month into his Presidency, he’ll have to deliver on that.

Gingotts on June 28, 2012 at 10:01 PM

I can remember Glenn Beck yakking about how we were better off with Obama than with McCain.

Not one single Republican voted for Obamacare. It was not the GOP that supported this bill in the first place.

The last Republican president did not vote for this either.

In fact, in 2006 after Bush had been president for 6 years our national deficit was less in one year than it is in a month now…and people did not turn out to demonstrate against Medicare Part D.

So why turn on your own now? I mean come on…why make it any easier for the Democrats?

This is something that the right does all too often…the going gets tough..they turn on each other.

It is stupid and self defeating.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:03 PM

I like Romney and will vote for him but I secretly wonder, is he another John Roberts? Will the stream take him away? Does he have that inner resolve, that almost denialism that it takes to be a conservative in Washington?

Time will tell.

MaxMBJ on June 28, 2012 at 9:38 PM | Delete

Yes he is only a lot worse.

bgibbs1000 on June 28, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Third party?

Won’t work. Ask Teddy Roosevelt. Ask George Wallace, John Anderson, Ross Perot, etc etc etc.

PappyD61 on June 28, 2012 at 9:53 PM

You are correct that a third party won’t work. But only because two parties don’t work. But there will be a third party and probably more political parties on the way. America is cracking up and that includes its political system. Obamacare hastens that further.

rickv404 on June 28, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Good news for the No Labels crowd, I guess — that’ll be the closest America’s come yet to seeing a true third party develop.

What?!?!?!? Allah, have you been living under a rock?

Ever heard of the Libertarian Party?

UltimateBob on June 28, 2012 at 10:05 PM

That’s the exact same bullshit we’ll be hearing from the exact same people anytime there’s a threat of a Rube Revolt. Wave around that blue jersey and shriek about helping the commies.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

You’re a fool if you believe sitting out this election does anything but help Obama, and that’s the bottom line. You can continue to be butthurt over the primary all you want, stay home for all I care, but don’t pretend for a second that by doing so you’re not contributing to another four years of this.

It’s based on the fact that voting for the father or grandfather of Obamacare is the wrong thing to do, and voting for Gary Johnson is the right thing to do.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Yeah, so he can maybe grab 5% instead of 2% or 3%. It’s just not realistic to believe he can win, regardless of what you think of Romney.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Good news for the No Labels crowd, I guess — that’ll be the closest America’s come yet to seeing a true third party develop.

Those who would be willing to leave the GOP are hardly looking to join the “No Labels” movement. There is little difference between “No Labels” and establishment Republicans. In fact, many “No Labels” leaders (e.g. Mark McKinnon) have RINO backgrounds.

If there is a major third party, it will be conservative, not “No Labels.”

bw222 on June 28, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Sure, a lot of the R’s suck sometimes. Most of the time, even. But that doesn’t mean you throw up your hands and give the country to the Left. It’s mind boggling that anyone upset with today’s decision would decide to essentially give Obama another term.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:00 PM

No kidding, but I am sure that Obama appreciates their help.

Terrye on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

They don’t get everything…if that were true, Walker would’ve been defeated in the recall. That was certainly worth the effort.

Sure, a lot of the R’s suck sometimes. Most of the time, even. But that doesn’t mean you throw up your hands and give the country to the Left. It’s mind boggling that anyone upset with today’s decision would decide to essentially give Obama another term.

changer1701 on June 28, 2012 at 10:00 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

We’ve fought since Roe v Wade to set the court on the right path. We had our chance with Reagan. He appointed 1 good justice and 2 dopes (O’Connor and Kennedy). We had another chance with HW Bush. He appointed 1 good justice and 1 dope (Thomas and Souter). We had yet another chance with W Bush. Like his father, 1 good one and 1 dope (Alito and Roberts).

The GOP has been given enough chances. This is one we should have won. We have what should be a 5-4 majority. If there was going to be any defection, it should have been Kennedy, not Roberts.

Any further fighting is pointless. Win all the congressional races and presidential races you like, anything you pass will be overturned, and anything you detest will be upheld. It’s as simple as that.

Stoic Patriot on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

And his “let me capture terrorists for the next few years” criteria for Roberts was still markedly better than the “find a friend to pay off for loyal service” criteria for his second pick.

HitNRun on June 28, 2012 at 9:48 PM

No real disagreement there. I think we agree that Bush’s SCOTUS picks suck. Alito has been marginally better, but not on 1st Amendment issues. NO MORE BUSHES.

Firefly_76 on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Third party?

Won’t work. Ask Teddy Roosevelt. Ask George Wallace, John Anderson, Ross Perot, etc etc etc.

PappyD61 on June 28, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Ask the Whigs. That’s where the GOP’s headed. It came from Whigdom and is going right back.

ddrintn on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Those who threaten to take their ball and go home are basically willing to just roll over and let idiots like Sheila Jackson Lee, Pelosi, and Reid have free rein to wreak destruction unimpeded. That would just be brilliant.

TXMomof3 on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

After today’s SCOTUS ruling on ACA, I am asking myself if there is a ‘public servant’ who is earning their salary and benefits.

Please tell me, ‘Justices’ Roberts, Bader-Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan, which clause in our Constitution states that it is a-okay to tax a citizen’s choice not to purchase a product or service. I have searched and searched and I simply cannot find it.

Please tell me, ‘Chief Justice’ Roberts, if the legislation as written and enacted specifically states this is not a “tax,” how do you justify, yourself as the 5th assenting vote, to simply “deem” it one?

Is that similar to how this law was passed by a one-party congress–to be “deemed-passed?”

What a hoax, all of you.

I don’t care whether it’s the nine of you in robes, those self-important “servants” up on the hill, or the hoax-in-chief, himself, you’re all worthless.

You, and those elites who keep you in office, can all go to hell. For over a century, you have sworn to uphold our Constitution, all the while shredding it piece-by-piece.

If your president will not uphold his oath and you won’t uphold yours, why in the world should any American send a single cent to any of you?

You aren’t worthy–of your office, your salary or your self-importance.

jersey taxpayer on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Gingotts on June 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Well said.

Hope you don’t mind, I am going to use your words verbatim in an e-mail to my congressman and senators tonight.

Barred on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Ilike Romney and will vote for him but I secretly wonder, is he another John Roberts? Will the stream take him away?

You think! Of course he’ll betray us.
The GOP has already blown it. After working 30 years to elect a Repub Senate, House and President what do we have to show for it?
Medicare part D, TSA, basically a permanent Patriot Act, “campaign finance reform” and now Obama Care.
I AM DONE With the GOP and will be voting Gary Johnson.

elkchess on June 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Gary who?

tom daschle concerned on June 28, 2012 at 10:07 PM

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