Video: Millions of Americans are suffering through an economic depression, says … Joe Biden? Update: Neither candidate has economic plan, says Fox News poll

posted at 5:21 pm on June 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

BuzzFeed’s getting linked for this at Drudge, but they’re not the ones who uploaded it to YouTube. Any guesses who did? Here’s a hint: This clip will be in near-constant rotation on your television this fall if you happen to live in a swing state.

Not even Biden would blindly stumble into a talking point this potentially unhelpful to his own side (I think). It has to be deliberate, which makes me think they’ve finally given up on the “green shoots”/”recovery summer” idiocy and fully embraced the “no one could have done anything with the economic smoking crater we inherited from Bush” rationale. And why not? Compare O’s numbers now on this question from last night’s NBC/WSJ poll to the numbers from June 2011. (The 2011 sample was actually even more Dem-leaning than yesterday’s was.)

Rock steady despite another full year of Obamanomics “magic.” The punchline is that, also per last night’s poll, 51 percent of voters still think the economy’s recovering and 43 percent thought this month’s abandon-all-hope jobs report was “reason for optimism.” That is to say, there are plenty of chumps out there still willing to buy O’s old argument that things are improving, however slowly. The fact that Biden’s trying to talk them down now by using the D-word on the stump presumably means that the White House is expecting further malaise until election day (a safe bet) and calculating that the ranks of optimists will thin considerably over the next three months. Better to admit that things are bad and that Romney will make things worse with a return to Bush-ian policies than blow smoke up voters’ butts of how far we’ve supposedly come in three years. People may believe that now, but they won’t soon.

Exit question via Rush Limbaugh: Is this actually Biden’s way of warning O not to yank him off the ticket? There’s more where this came from if he’s forced to go rogue.

Update: Mitt’s gambling that being “Not Obama” on the economy is good enough. Sure hope he’s right. If not, then Biden’s otherwise insane talking point here isn’t nearly as damaging. From Fox News:

A new Fox News poll released Wednesday shows that by a 14 percentage-point margin, more voters think Barack Obama (41 percent) has a clear plan to improve the economy than think Mitt Romney does (27 percent). Still, a 53-percent majority says Obama doesn’t have a plan, and a 55-percent majority says Romney doesn’t…

Shortly after taking office Obama said it was up to him to improve the economy, and if he didn’t do so in three years he would be a one-term president. The new poll asks, “If voters hold Obama accountable on getting the economy on track, do you think he would deserve re-election, or not?” Voters are split: 48 percent say Obama would deserve another term, while 47 percent disagree.

Forty percent of voters think the economy’s getting better. Thirty-nine percent think it’s getting worse.


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Strengthening the middle class?

Please name one thing this admin has done to strengthen the middle class?

tom daschle concerned on June 27, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Does strengthening mean the same thing as dessimating in lib talk?

Fallon on June 27, 2012 at 5:24 PM

While the Soviet-era Russians may not have taken a dump without a plan, Plugs Biden has done everything without a plan since he got caught plagiarizing.

Steve Eggleston on June 27, 2012 at 5:24 PM

ROFL !!!

Good old Uncle Joe Biden … maybe he expects Obama NOT to get the Presidential nomination based on “insider information” regarding F & F ans is pre-positioning himself.

LOL!

PolAgnostic on June 27, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Sorry, I forgot there was a “D” after my name.

Oil Can on June 27, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Oh good heavens, “decimating”. *blushing*

Fallon on June 27, 2012 at 5:25 PM

It has to be deliberate, which makes me think they’ve finally given up on the “green shoots”/”recovery summer” idiocy and fully embraced the “no one could have done anything with the economic smoking crater we inherited from Bush” rationale. And why not? Compare O’s numbers now on this question from last night’s NBC/WSJ poll to the numbers from June 2011. (The 2011 sample was actually even more Dem-leaning than yesterday’s was.)

For once I’d like a pollster, any pollster to ask these same people, when(if ever) will you blame the current President for the current economic state?

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 5:25 PM

…can we tar and feather this guy?

KOOLAID2 on June 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM

This isn’t a goldmine, unfortunately. Biden cares, is the flip side on this. A short clip of this, like was played here, will be seen as pushing the “out of context” limit.

anotherJoe on June 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Strengthening the middle class?

Please name one thing this admin has done to strengthen the middle class?

tom daschle concerned on June 27, 2012 at 5:23 PM

It’s all in the definitions. For the DemocRATs, “middle class” consists of only government workers, preferably unionized. The major aim of Porkulus I was, and the sole aim of the proposed Porkulus II – Electric Boogaloo is, to prevent public union workers from feeling the pain the rest of the country felt.

Steve Eggleston on June 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM

This speech is a big fluking deal!

Gladtobehere on June 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

I still can’t fathom how this guy got selected to be VP. He is dumber than a box of rocks.

gravityman on June 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

For once I’d like a pollster, any pollster to ask these same people, when(if ever) will you blame the current President for the current economic state?

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 5:25 PM

We all know the answer to that… never.

gravityman on June 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Joe Biden: Gods gift to bloggers

NOTE: I notice an extreme uptick in AllahPs’ snark that over the last couple of weeks, almost like the AP of old.

(I think the new kid on the block is getting the juices flowing again…whatever the cause, keep it up)

BobMbx on June 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM

I thought the private sector was doing fine?

beancounter on June 27, 2012 at 5:33 PM

“The Villages… America’s friendliest home town…”

Chuck Schick on June 27, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Is this the hope part of Obama’s platform or the change?

tom daschle concerned on June 27, 2012 at 5:34 PM

“Chuck “Middle Class, stand up, let the people see you. Oh, God love ya. What am I talking about?”

Go RBNY on June 27, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Good Lord, this guy is stupid. We used to call him the stupidest man in the Senate. He’s regressed.

HomeoftheBrave on June 27, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Strengthening the middle class?

Please name one thing this admin has done to strengthen the middle class?

tom daschle concerned on June 27, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Sales of guns and ammo have exploded.

taternuggets on June 27, 2012 at 5:35 PM

BobMbx on June 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM | Delete | Delete and Ban

Heh. Competition is always a good thing. Sets a high bar.

a capella on June 27, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Hey Sheriff Joe! I thought your job was to make sure the taxpayers didn’t get ripped off when THE STIMULUS money got passed around. So what’s with the $1.4 BILLION that got handed out to people who OWE the government money?

Why don’t you get off the stump and DO YOUR JOB?

GarandFan on June 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Sales of guns and ammo have exploded.

taternuggets on June 27, 2012 at 5:35 PM

I’m sure I account for my fair share of those numbers. :)

tom daschle concerned on June 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I thought the private sector was doing fine?

beancounter on June 27, 2012 at 5:33 PM

They seem to be playing “Message of the Day”. Hoping no one notices their contradictions.

Bitter Clinger on June 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Biden said this during his speech in Dubuque, IA today and my husband, kids and I were there with a group of Romney supporters. We stood outside the venue holding Romney signs, not protesting or heckling or anything like that. Got many, many honks and thumbs-ups from people driving by.

However, the people going to see Biden were a nasty bunch {imagine that}. We got flipped off more times than I can count, swore at, told we were “filled with hate”, that Romney is a job-killer and will ruin this country, etc., etc. My young kids learned several new swear words from the libs today – quite the charming bunch!

JA on June 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

I have to strongly agree with Obama for picking Biden as his VP…

No one would DARE make an attempt on Obama’s life with this imbecile in the wings!!

ArtVandelay on June 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

The number of people who take the class warfare rhetoric as a substitute for real action is astounding. A not insignificant number think liberals are the ones that help the poor and middle class, and this is true because they say they are for the poor and middle class. That’s about the depth of their political knowledge, and that’s all they feel they need to know.

Thinking about how their prescribed actions will work in the real world takes a minute or 2 of thought, and we can’t have that.

stldave on June 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

LMAO

Joe Biden – The gift that keeps on giving

Norwegian on June 27, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I still can’t fathom how this guy got selected to be VP. He is dumber than a box of rocks.

gravityman on June 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM | Delete

It’s like that “Most Arrogant Man” ad last week said:

“He chose Joe Biden as his VP, to prove he doesn’t need one..”

SailorMark on June 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Am I wrong here, or wasn’t Obow touted as ‘the one who could fix the Bush mess, it could only be Obama’?

Now, suddenly after 3-1/2 years, he couldn’t do it? But, why? I was told he could! There was never any qualifier that Bush left it so bad, after all. All I was told was that Obama could fix it–period.

Seems Jesus of Nazareth could easily walk on water. The Chicago Jesus–not quite so much.

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Strengthening the middle class?

Biden Suggests Middle Class People Don’t Live in “Beautiful Homes”

That is to say, there are plenty of chumps out there still willing to buy O’s old argument that things are improving, however slowly.

Biden Mentions Delaware GM Plant that Closed on His Watch

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 5:44 PM

So anyone seen this dumfluke’s brain X-Ray ?
Why not demand it this time ?

burrata on June 27, 2012 at 5:44 PM

I thought the private sector was doing fine?

beancounter on June 27, 2012 at 5:33 PM

These days, Joe doesn’t even know anyone in the private sector.

Finbar on June 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

When this circus finally leaves town the stables will stink for years.

Schadenfreude on June 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Isn’t that Reagan’s saying? Did Joe steal it like he did his other campaign rhetoric back in the 80s.

Warner Todd Huston on June 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Way to advertise your ticket, joe :)..not that I mind in the least :)…but was just thinking, whose fault is that ‘millions are suffering through an economic depression”, could it be, by any chance, that idiot’s who is in the WH currently??…Just a thought, don’t let it derail you you from your messaging though, whatever it is that you are trying to say ther…we like it when you are at it, keep on giving, dear gift, BIden :)…

jimver on June 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Strengthening the middle class?

Please name one thing this admin has done to strengthen the middle class?

tom daschle concerned on June 27, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Don’t worry Leastside will be by and explain it all of us.

RickB on June 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Slow Joe is a national treasure.

Philly on June 27, 2012 at 5:50 PM

When this circus finally leaves town the stables will stink for years.

Schadenfreude on June 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

I can happily put up with the remarining stench, knowing that the circus animals are gone :)…

jimver on June 27, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Isn’t that Reagan’s saying? Did Joe steal it like he did his other campaign rhetoric back in the 80s.

Warner Todd Huston on June 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Reagan stole it from Obama ….
/Upperyeastinfection

burrata on June 27, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Shameful teenager “I hope you still believe in me“.

Schadenfreude on June 27, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Use the clip with caution and care in any ads. Because Biden, with the full 20 second context examined, is not saying we are in a depression, but repeating an old adage that for those that happen to be out of work, for those millions, we are in a depression.
I’m all for using disingenuous video edits… if we can get away with it. In this case, the voter will probably catch the deceptive tinge of our ad, and experience Psychological Reactance to some degree against the messenger (Romney, or PAC, whichever).

anotherJoe on June 27, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Am I wrong here, or wasn’t Obow touted as ‘the one who could fix the Bush mess, it could only be Obama’?

Now, suddenly after 3-1/2 years, he couldn’t do it? But, why? I was told he could! There was never any qualifier that Bush left it so bad, after all. All I was told was that Obama could fix it–period.

Seems Jesus of Nazareth could easily walk on water. The Chicago Jesus–not quite so much.

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Indeed.

“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for”.

Bitter Clinger on June 27, 2012 at 5:53 PM

economy, and if he didn’t do so in three years he would be a one-term president. The new poll asks, “If voters hold Obama accountable on getting the economy on track, do you think he would deserve re-election, or not?” Voters are split: 48 percent say Obama would deserve another term, while 47 percent disagree.

Nearly half the country thinks the economy is improving? I hope this is entirely due to gas prices plummeting(which ironically is due to lousy economic conditions), because I don’t know what the hell other metric people are going by.

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Biden:

“hey man, this presidential speech archive in the basement has some really cool stuff in it….I can use this stuff to sound smart…..”

BobMbx on June 27, 2012 at 5:56 PM

The Update is correct, which is a testament to the eunuchs.

Keeping it low key is not the way to win this year.

No one believes a word of what Obama is saying, the Liar of 1001 versions.

However, Mr. Romney could make a difference.

Schadenfreude on June 27, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Now, suddenly after 3-1/2 years, he couldn’t do it? But, why? I was told he could! There was never any qualifier that Bush left it so bad, after all. All I was told was that Obama could fix it–period.

Actually, we were told that Geithner was the only man who could fix it.

Anybody heard Geithner say a word this year?

BobMbx on June 27, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Nearly half the country thinks the economy is improving? I hope this is entirely due to gas prices plummeting(which ironically is due to lousy economic conditions), because I don’t know what the hell other metric people are going by.

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Half the country is still probably getting its news from the ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/NYT/WaPo cabal. If that’s their source, why wouldn’t they think the economy is improving?

Bitter Clinger on June 27, 2012 at 5:59 PM

I dont know, but when I looked at the picture, I thought the podium said “Streng The Ning”. Makes no sense… must be that Biden Effect.

“Why are you people clapping? Thick concrete is up my behind! PIKACHU!!”

AverageJoe on June 27, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Who in the h*ll are these people polling???

Gothguy on June 27, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Joe Biden: Best Democratic Vice President ever.

MadisonConservative on June 27, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Still, a 53-percent majority says Obama doesn’t have a plan

Guess the other 47% never heard little Timmy Geithner telling a Congressional committee “Plan? We don’t have a plan. We just don’t like yours!”

The conservatives have a plan. All they need to do is get rid of Harry Reid and his Democratic majority in the Senate, who haven’t passed a budget in almost 3 years!

GarandFan on June 27, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Romney has to get off his ass and give people a reason to vote for him. The problem is that he’s not the type to take principled positions and sell them. Just telling everyone that Obama’s not cutting it isn’t going to work.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Two more leftist dummies

Schadenfreude on June 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Is getting the getting governemnt out of our lives considered an economic plan?

davidk on June 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Romney has to get off his ass and give people a reason to vote for him. The problem is that he’s not the type to take principled positions and sell them. Just telling everyone that Obama’s not cutting it isn’t going to work.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Careful. That kind of talk will get you called an Obama supporter around these parts. The Obamabots have become Romneybots.

MadisonConservative on June 27, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Romney has to get off his ass and give people a reason to vote for him. The problem is that he’s not the type to take principled positions and sell them. Just telling everyone that Obama’s not cutting it isn’t going to work.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 6:03 PM

We voted for “Not Obama” and that is what we will get. I think he will probably continue to avoid presenting or trying to sell anything to the public other than a few no-brainers like approval of the Keystone pipeline.

Doomberg on June 27, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Let’s see how the race changes tomorrow. Ought to be interesting.

Philly on June 27, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Let’s see how the race changes tomorrow. Ought to be interesting.

Philly on June 27, 2012 at 6:08 PM

I don’t think the Obamacare decision is going to change anything, whatever the outcome is. Romney is still going to have to make the sale, and he’s not doing that as of now.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 6:10 PM

During the ’08 campaign, all I heard was that Obow-wow-wow-wow was the only possible man (note that women like Hillary were excluded from any chance or belief of doing it better by the MSM)who could fix the mess Bush left us. No matter how, using the best minds, only O could get it done. And he was the best mind of them all!

But he didn’t do it, did he?

So, all the excuses are come to the fore: It was a bigger mess than we thought; he needs more time; the Republicans are fighting him; the not-so-racist electorate that elected him is really and secretly racist–ad nauseum.

In the beginning, thus sayeth the liberaleth media, Obama was an unqualified success just waiting to happen.

It didn’t happen.

What does that say?

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Update: Neither candidate has economic plan, says Fox News poll

So once again a poll confirms that Romney’s koolaid drinkers here that have been calling me names and attacking me are in the minority and most people agree with me…

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:12 PM

I don’t think the Obamacare decision is going to change anything, whatever the outcome is. Romney is still going to have to make the sale, and he’s not doing that as of now.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 6:10 PM

It’s hard to say with the polls swinging around as they are. Obama’s fallen some but we really need to get Romney past by about five points both nationally and in the key swing states.

Doomberg on June 27, 2012 at 6:12 PM

I can see a ticket with Christie or Ryan as veep. They would be out there fighting for their beliefs while the guy at the top is standing there with his finger in his butt just hoping that people hate Obama enough to vote for him.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 6:13 PM

The Romney campaign should make some commercials that tell low-information voters about Obama’s role in getting us into the housing bubble that led to the 2008 meltdown. I know it’s hard to fit it into a 30-second or even a 60-second commercial, but surely somebody can find a way to do it.

A lot of voters, and not just Democrats, believe the “it’s all Bush’s fault” crap. They believe that Obama “inherited” a bad economy, and that he played no part in causing it. They don’t know that as a community organizer and later as a lawyer, Obama advocated for more government-subsidized mortgage loans to unqualified minority borrowers, and even used the CRA to sue banks like B of A for not making enough home loans to high-risk minority borrowers. They don’t know that as a U.S. senator, Obama joined the other Democrats in pushing FM/FM to lower lending standards, and would not support the FM/FM reforms that the Bush administration proposed.

Obama will never get the economy back on track because he is still pursuing the same stupid big-government policies that created all the market distortions that caused all the problems in the first place. If Romney can find a way to make people understand that, they will not be willing to give Obama four more years to do even more damage.

AZCoyote on June 27, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Romney has to get off his ass and give people a reason to vote for him. The problem is that he’s not the type to take principled positions and sell them. Just telling everyone that Obama’s not cutting it isn’t going to work.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Good grief, no one is paying attention to what he is saying right now. Is the press covering it in your area? Local news? Nada. Blackout. Most Americans do not bother to get informed by reading various websites on the internet, they are not like us.

They will come out of their stupor in September and start paying attention. Until then, the “NOT OBAMA” candidate can talk until he is blue in the face and still a majority of Americans won’t be able to tell you a thing he stands for.

Meanwhile, there are those who will then criticize him for not telling anyone what he stands for.

Remember, he was my next to my last choice for this round of elections (Ron Paul was my dead last choice). However, I am sick of reading and hearing from peeps that Romney isn’t saying anything.

Frankly I think it is kind of smart for him to be non committal while all of these immigration emotions are flying all over the place. Once people suck it up and look at the reality that Obama is being completely lawless the way he is handling his mandated edict of his version of the “dream” and the way he has abandoned his responsibilities to protect Arizona citizens from foreign invasion, people will see things for what they are and realize that Obama is as dangerous as we know him to be.

karenhasfreedom on June 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM

A new Fox News poll released Wednesday shows that by a 14 percentage-point margin, more voters think Barack Obama (41 percent) has a clear plan to improve the economy than think Mitt Romney does (27 percent).

And most of those 41% who think Obama has a plan to improve the economy probably got the idea by reading an interview with the First Lady in People Magazine, Us or some such rag. I mean, seriously, how can anyone think this guy has a plan that will actually improve the economy.

DaveDief on June 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM

I don’t think the Obamacare decision is going to change anything, whatever the outcome is. Romney is still going to have to make the sale, and he’s not doing that as of now.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 6:10 PM

I agree Romney needs to add another song to his song and dance routine, but Obamacare isn’t the only decision that’s going to be announced tomorrow.

How is the boy king going to spin it when both Dems and Republicans vote to hold his Attorney General in Contempt of Congress?

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Oh…After 3-1/2 years Obama has a plan. Ummm…What about the last 3-1/2 years we have all lived through already? Why doesn’t that count; why should an unproven and impossible-to-guarantee future rate more?

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Oh…After 3-1/2 years Obama has a plan. Ummm…What about the last 3-1/2 years we have all lived through already? Why doesn’t that count; why should an unproven and impossible-to-guarantee future rate more?

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Romney has been a candidate for longer than that and he doesn’t have a plan either. All he offers is more of the same under new management; meet the new boss, same as the old.

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Romney has been a candidate for longer than that and he doesn’t have a plan either. All he offers is more of the same under new management; meet the new boss, same as the old.

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Except that Obama has had 3-1/2 years in the Oval Office, with all kinds of advisers–the collective ‘brilliance’ of the entire United States government at his fingertips.

And where are we right now, at this very minute, after all that time in reality and in practice?

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 6:39 PM

If people want their vote to make a real difference reforming our out of control government they should vote for Gary Johnson. At least spread the word about him, even if in the end you may decide to follow the Shepard to the slaughter by voting for the lesser of two evils, as the ruling class would prefer you to believe. There’s nothing preventing the majority of us who see through the propaganda of the left and right (as per this FNC poll) from voting for Gary Johnson instead. We’re the majority, not them, we don’t have to vote for the Democrat’s and Republican’s crappy candidates.

Vote for a proven reformer instead, not Obamney.

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:44 PM

And where are we right now, at this very minute, after all that time in reality and in practice?

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 6:39 PM

America is in trouble because of the policies of Bush and Obama and both parties together.

That’s why people should vote to make things better instead of doing as they are told by the ruling class.

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Pathological White House spokesman Carney furiously maintained that the American people aren’t actually suffering… it just looks that way on the videotape.

viking01 on June 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Even if people think they’re going to hold their nose and vote for Romney, at least recommend Gary Johnson to your friends left of center. Email them the link from above and maybe Gary Johnson will surge into first place between now and November, and if not, you can vote for Romney if you feel you must.

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Low information voters would say Romney doesn’t have an economic plan because the MSM doesn’t cover Romneys or the Republican Houses’ plans. They do exist but you have to be willing to search for the info because the media is not going to spoon feed them to you.

Unleashing conventional energy, tax reform, regulatory reform, ObamaCare repeal, and reducing the size and scope of government are all themes Romney has hit consistently. He also has a 50 point detailed plan for those that want to read it.

echosyst on June 27, 2012 at 6:48 PM

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:44 PM

How about a different idea? Forget the presidency.

Real power to the people starts at the local level–Conservative mayors and town councils, including county leadership.

Then up to the legislatures, and then the governors of the states.

And, finally, Congress.

Just an idea, if you will.

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Pathological White House spokesman Carney furiously maintained that the American people aren’t actually suffering… it just looks that way on the videotape.

viking01 on June 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Put him as a fry cook in McDonalds for eight hours and he’ll be crying for his mommy. It’s easy to say that when you wear $1000 suits–the that professional millionaire panhandler Bono jets around the world demanding money.

Pffft!

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 6:51 PM

People who consider themselves “pragmatic”, (as defined by Fox News and the rest of the ruling class), who are going to hold their nose and vote for Romney in the end. Support Gary Johnson in the meantime. In the end you can vote for Romney, but maybe America is waking up to the corruption on both sides, as per this poll, and Gary Johnson will surge.

Perhaps people won’t have to hold their noses and vote for Romney after all.

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Real power to the people starts at the local level–Conservative mayors and town councils, including county leadership.

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 6:48 PM

So you’re advising that we ignore the corruption at the very top where the most power is and stick to the small potatoes instead? Uh, no thanks.

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Low information voters would say Romney doesn’t have an economic plan…

echosyst on June 27, 2012 at 6:48 PM

What’s so funny about your comment is the fact that it’s actually the Romney koolaid drinkers that are low on the info and high on the hope-n-change and it’s the majority of people like me who know better.

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:56 PM

we are so screwed.

trailortrash on June 27, 2012 at 6:56 PM

So you’re advising that we ignore the corruption at the very top where the most power is and stick to the small potatoes instead? Uh, no thanks.

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 6:53 PM

The destruction of corruption starts at the lowest levels, where it also exists. Take the lowest levels, en masse, clean them out right away, and work up with no tolerance.

I don’t think you understand my view. (no insult intended)

My idea is, for an example, what can a Democrat-run state do of the cities and counties are newly controlled by Conservatives who also send to the legislature a lot of Conservatives–enough to challenge the status quo of decades? I don’t expect Conservatives to win every bout right away, but I believe it is important to elect Conservatives at the most basic levels first. And, preferably, in conjunction with the higher offices like of the governorships.

Just some things to consider; it can’t all be done at once and in a single day.

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Gary Who?

tom daschle concerned on June 27, 2012 at 7:08 PM

I still can’t fathom how this guy got selected to be VP. He is dumber than a box of rocks.

gravityman on June 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

That’s exactly why he was chosen. A very insecure little Bammie chose him because he could not tolerate anyone that might be his intellectual superior in a role able to possibly challenge him.

slickwillie2001 on June 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Funny. Romney has a 59 point plan regarding the economy. How often does the media report this? How many people know what’s in the plan?

How often is an Obama campaign stop broadcast vs a Romney speech?

I think there’s a reason people don’t think Romney has a plan.

BKeyser on June 27, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Great to see you posting..Haven’t seen you in a while..Great to see you back!..:)

Dire Straits on June 27, 2012 at 7:21 PM

BKeyser on June 27, 2012 at 7:17 PM

You make a good point..A very good point!..:)

Dire Straits on June 27, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Thanks, Dire. Been watching, and glad to see you always stay true to form.

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I still can’t fathom how this guy got selected to be VP. He is dumber than a box of rocks.

gravityman on June 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Obama’s impeachment insurance…

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Funny. Romney has a 59 point plan regarding the economy.

BKeyser on June 27, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Oh really? How many centuries does his “plan” take to balance the budget?

FloatingRock on June 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM

HeHe!..It you get a chance drop by QOTD thread..I know some folks that would be happy to see you..:)

Dire Straits on June 27, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Better to admit that things are bad and that Romney will make things worse with a return to Bush-ian policies than blow smoke up voters’ butts of how far we’ve supposedly come in three years. People may believe that now, but they won’t soon.

And this is why any ad also needs to have quotes of how this is Obama’s economy now, how if he can’t solve in three years he’s out, and how many times have we heard things are improving?

Ukiah on June 27, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Thx, Dire. I have this knack of cheesing off my own side, so I backed off a while. I also got tired of the ceaseless squabbling with the liblets. I guess I needed some time to take stock and change tactics.

It would be nice talking again to some old hands from here.

Liam on June 27, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I heard Rush mention this straight off the wires when Joe said it. Even he missed a glaring case of plagiarism. Ole Joe attributed Reagan’s quote about “recession, depression, recovery” to his grandpappy. POS.

AH_C on June 27, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Has the MSM explained this away yet? And, damn that Joe… If he’d just mentioned that Obama is only making it worse.

RalphyBoy on June 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM