Pressure on House Dems as NRA to score Holder contempt vote

posted at 8:41 am on June 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Allahpundit briefly mentioned this last night, but it’s worth a closer look — as it may be a bellwether of bad news to the Obama White House.  Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT), who faces a tough challenge in November from Republican Mia Love, has announced that he will vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt tomorrow, assuming that the Obama administration can’t cut a deal before the vote in the morning.  He’s the first Democrat to break ranks, but he may not be the last:

Rep. Jim Matheson will vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for withholding documents pertaining to a failed Justice Department sting that let guns get into the hands of drug runners.

Matheson, D-Utah, announced his position Tuesday, joining House Republicans, such as Utah Reps. Rob Bishop and Jason Chaffetz, who have railed against Holder’s reaction to the congressional probe into the Justice Department’s “Fast and Furious” operation. One of the lost guns was later used in the murder of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.

“It just compounds the tragedy when both sides play politics instead of releasing the facts. The Terry family, the public and Congress deserve answers,” Matheson said. “Sadly, it seems that it will take holding the attorney general in contempt to communicate that evasiveness is unacceptable.”

This tends to undercut the argument that the contempt vote is nothing more than a partisan electoral fight.  Democrats, as the Salt Lake City Tribune notes, have claimed that Holder has been cooperative, releasing more than 7,000 pages of documentation.  Unfortunately for Democrats, the House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed more than 130,000 pages of documents, which means that the DoJ has blocked more than 94% of the documents under subpoena.  Their last-ditch offer to avoid contempt was even more ridiculous, as John Hinderaker explains:

The Obama administration has asserted a frivolous claim of executive privilege with respect to an unknown number of DOJ documents. (The number is unknown because the administration refuses to provide a standard privilege log.) Now, Eric Holder wants to offer the House a “representative sample” of less than 30 pages of the wrongfully withheld documents, in exchange for which the House is asked to abandon the Fast and Furious investigation altogether! This is absurd, even by Holder standards. We don’t know how many documents the administration is wrongfully withholding, but let’s assume they comprise only 2,000 pages (an extraordinarily small number). So the administration wants to select 30 harmless pages out of the 2,000, and thereby assure the House that the 1,970 they didn’t select are also insignificant! Somehow, nearly every day during the Age of Obama, I find myself asking: how dumb do they think we are?

The question isn’t how dumb they think Republicans are, but how much longer they can convince House Democrats in tough races this November to keep peddling that nonsense.  Time already ran out for Obama and Holder in Utah’s 4th CD, and the NRA will make that clock tick even louder by scoring this as a vote on gun rights:

Now that the politically potent National Rifle Association is keeping score, some Democrats are expected to join House Republicans in supporting the contempt of Congress vote against Holder.

One of those Democrats, Rep. Jim Matheson of Utah, said, “Sadly, it seems that it will take holding the attorney general in contempt to communicate that evasiveness is unacceptable. It is a vote I will support.”

The gun owners association injected itself last week into the stalemate over Justice Department documents demanded by the House Oversight Committee. The NRA said it supports the contempt resolution and will keep a record of how members vote.

An NRA letter to House members contended that the Obama administration “actively sought information” from Operation Fast and Furious to support its program to require dealers to report multiple rifle sales.

The program, which began last August, imposed the requirement for sales of specifically identified long guns in four border states: Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico. A federal judge upheld the requirement.

Republicans don’t need Democratic votes to pass a resolution of contempt, but getting Democratic support will improve the politics of the effort immeasurably.  That will rip the fig leaf from the White House and Department of Justice and focus the attention on the 99% opacity coming from Obama and Holder on Operation Fast and Furious.


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But, Ed, don’t you know it’s only bipartisan when Republicans join Democrats in supporting a measure and not the other way around? I mean by your rationale, the vote AGAINST Obamacare in the House was bipartisan.

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Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 8:45 AM

RIP.

Holder.

Electrongod on June 27, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

30 pages. Issa should have taken them, perused them a bit, and then tossed them back in Holder’s face. What a joke.

Bishop on June 27, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Or as Ms. Pavlich asked: “How did Holder shut down an operation before he knew about it?”

Curious that liberals can’t seem to answer that basic question.

Bishop on June 27, 2012 at 8:51 AM

libs will just scream NRA now, and ignore 300 dead Mexicans

evidence: libfreeordie

Slade73 on June 27, 2012 at 8:52 AM

How long until obama and his minions call Rep Matheson ‘senile’ and throw him under the bus :)….

jimver on June 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

You condemn Bush for firing 4 Ag’s and invoking executive privilege but Support Obama in F&F. Basically you find murder of American citizens acceptable in defense of your ideology, disgusting.

Skwor on June 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM

the NRA will make that clock tick even louder by scoring this as a vote on gun rights:

Hoyer: Some Dems Will Vote To Hold Holder In Contempt For Fast And Furious

WASHINGTON (AP) — Now that the politically potent National Rifle Association is keeping score, some Democrats may join House Republicans if there’s a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress in a dispute over documents related to a botched gun-tracking operation.

The chief Democratic House head counter, Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, declined to tell reporters how many defections he expected, but acknowledged that some in his party would consider heeding the NRA’s call for a “yes” vote.

As I just said in the headline thread, this isn’t about doing what is “right,” it’s about saving their careers. They don’t want the money and power behind the NRA to rain on their reelection parade.

Sickening. But I’ll take it.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Somehow, nearly every day during the Age of Obama, I find myself asking: how dumb do they think we are?

We proved how dumb we are in 2008. Now let’s prove we learned a thing or two since then, OK?

swinia sutki on June 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM

evidence: libfreeordie

Slade73 on June 27, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Exactly..

I wasn’t going to respond to Lib directly…
But this is OK.

Electrongod on June 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

The NRA cares because they likely believe F&F was authorized in an effort to move anti-gun legislation through Congress.

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Republicans don’t need Democratic votes to pass a resolution of contempt, but getting Democratic support will improve the politics of the effort immeasurably.

Steny Hoyer, of all Dems, admitted that a contempt vote would include Dems in the affirmative. And face it, Holder is in contempt of Congress no matter what the political spin on this is from idiots like Pelosi. The real question is what is out there that is so dynamite that Holder/Obama would rather have contempt charges and invoke executive privilege to cover up the facts.

Personally, I think it is a blueprint for how they planned to use F&F to curtail the 2nd Amendment. Which is precisely why the NRA is out there making sure Dems don’t just vote party line on this condemnation of the most corrupt AG ever.

Happy Nomad on June 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM

The NRA cares because they likely believe F&F was authorized in an effort to move anti-gun legislation through Congress.

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Now why, other than the ATF e-mails discussing inclusion of the F&F arms in reporting statistics, would the NRA get that idea?

Happy Nomad on June 27, 2012 at 8:56 AM

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Why do liberals like to see Mexicans get killed?

pain train on June 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM

I heard Justice Roberts will vote NO on this contempt charge

-Roberts old law professor

Eph on June 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Hey, I’ve got a great idea. If this scandal is getting to the point where even some Dems will be voting to hold Holder in contempt let’s schedule the vote for the same day SCOTUS rules on Obamacare so nobody hears about it.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Here’s a clip of representatives of the Justice Department trying to reason with an NRA member:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=nsdZKCh6RsU

claudius on June 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM

130,000 documents. Don’t you just wonder what’s in them that would make TFGRP illegally invoke an EP to keep them from being read?

Bishop on June 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Brainfree, they care because F&F was an attack on the 2nd Amendment.

msupertas on June 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Eric WithHolder is building quite a legacy for himself. The antithesis of Truth, Justice and the American Way.

O/T Obama is running TV ads in NEW JERSEY. Pack yer bags, Jugears!

Naturally Curly on June 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Is there any topic for which you possess even the smallest amount of information and knowledge?

Dante on June 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

-Roberts old law professor

Eph on June 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM

my nose hurts from coffee

Slade73 on June 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

If you are FOR gun control, you must vote to condemn the guy who let 2,500 machine guns go to the drug cartels.

If you are of Hispanic decent, you must vote to condemn the guy who supplied the guns to kill hundreds of Hispanics.

If you are a fiscal conservative, you must vote to condemn the guy who wasted stimulus dollars to send guns to Mexico.

If you are against gun control, you must vote to condemn the guy who used his departments program of allowing multiple illegal gun sales to limit legal gun sales.

If you are against the violent tactics of the Mexican drug cartels, then you must vote to condemn the guy who gave them resources to wage their border war.

If you are a spineless, no principled scumbag who only cares about re-electing President Obama, then no big deal.

barnone on June 27, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Did the NRA instigate this investigation 18 months ago? No, they didn’t.

And if Holder hadn’t stonewalled it would have all been over a long time ago. So you’ve got nobody to blame but YOUR party for this carrying over into an election cycle.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 9:02 AM

It will be interesting to see which Democrats are “racist!” and which Democrats approve of killing American Border patrol agents and Mexicans order to push a gun control agenda.

Decisions, decisions.

Dusty on June 27, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Obama thinks his swartz is bigger than congress’s swartz

Slade73 on June 27, 2012 at 9:05 AM

how dumb do they think we are?

They think we’re as stupid as the people who voted for Obama.

NoDonkey on June 27, 2012 at 9:06 AM

30 pages. Issa should have taken them, perused them a bit, and then tossed them back in Holder’s face. What a joke.

Bishop on June 27, 2012 at 8:49 AM

My bet is Holder wouldn’t even hand over the 30 pages until Issa agreed to the deal.

Mini-14 on June 27, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Stand strong dems against your leader

cmsinaz on June 27, 2012 at 9:08 AM

“my nose hurts from coffee”

Nothing like rubbng Athiest’s face in the dirt this fine morning

Eph on June 27, 2012 at 9:09 AM

ONE does not a gaggle make—Remember when two Republicans joined the Dems for some controversial bill and we (or at least “I”) chuckled at the notion that two made bipartisan?

Portia46 on June 27, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Personally, I think it is a blueprint for how they planned to use F&F to curtail the 2nd Amendment. Which is precisely why the NRA is out there making sure Dems don’t just vote party line on this condemnation of the most corrupt AG ever.

Happy Nomad on June 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM

What’s amazing is that as much as I despise and distrust this administration, I never really bought into that conspiracy theory. But after all the lies and stonewalling and now the invoking of executive privilege and the Democrat/media complex being so desperate to cover for Obama that some have taken to treating Brian Terry’s death with the level of indifference usually seen only in cold blooded killers, I don’t know what other logical explanation there could be for Operation Fast & Furious(and the subsequent coverup).

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 9:10 AM

The Department of Justice must be non political with the United States as the first priority. To do otherwise makes it the Department of Just Us.

DAT60A3 on June 27, 2012 at 9:10 AM

— as it may be a bellwether of bad news to the Obama White House. Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT), who faces a tough challenge in November from Republican Mia Love, has announced that he will vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt tomorrow,
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Meanwhile,as the DNC/MSM,have circled the wagons,Jim Matheson
creeped away,under a full lit moon,

and a witness,stated,he was mumbling sumpin…”F*** this”!
(snark)

canopfor on June 27, 2012 at 9:12 AM

My bet is Holder wouldn’t even hand over the 30 pages until Issa agreed to the deal.

Mini-14 on June 27, 2012 at 9:06 AM

That’s exactly what the deal was. Drop the contempt vote and we’ll hand over 30 more pages.

As Rep. Trey Gowdy said last night on Greta. That’s like buying a car over the telephone before seeing it.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 9:13 AM

They must be the National RAAACIST Association!

WannabeAnglican on June 27, 2012 at 9:13 AM

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Brainfree, they care because F&F was an attack on the 2nd Amendment.

msupertas on June 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

All the proof needed that this liberal is not objective and not worth ever paying attention to again.

Vince on June 27, 2012 at 9:13 AM

What’s amazing is that as much as I despise and distrust this administration, I never really bought into that conspiracy theory. But after all the lies and stonewalling and now the invoking of executive privilege and the Democrat/media complex being so desperate to cover for Obama that some have taken to treating Brian Terry’s death with the level of indifference usually seen only in cold blooded killers, I don’t know what other logical explanation there could be for Operation Fast & Furious(and the subsequent coverup).

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 9:10 AM

I’m willing to accept someone’s assertion that it’s not a conspiracy. I have no problem with that. But if it were a conspiracy, would it look any different? When I hear hoof-beats I think horses.

swinia sutki on June 27, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Another example of Matheson pretending to stand on principle when he is really just protecting his own hide. He’s already declared he’ll vote (again) for Obama in November, but he’s also going to vote to hold his AG in contempt of Congress? Please.

PasqualeEsposito on June 27, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Republicans don’t need Democratic votes to pass a resolution of contempt, but getting Democratic support will improve the politics of the effort immeasurably.
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I think,Hopey will feel the/that sting!!

canopfor on June 27, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Let’s face it, what Holder, Obama and the Democrats are saying isn’t for COngress, it’s for their voters.

bflat879 on June 27, 2012 at 9:17 AM

“Liberals” only care about Mexicans when it comes to illegally voting for Dems and taking care of their lawns.

MechanicalBill on June 27, 2012 at 9:18 AM

That will rip the fig leaf from the White House and Department of Justice
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The HumpBot,is dreaming of a X-rated movie on dat!!
(sarc).

canopfor on June 27, 2012 at 9:19 AM

What’s amazing is that as much as I despise and distrust this administration, I never really bought into that conspiracy theory.
Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 9:10 AM

The arrogance and elitism of this administration is breathtaking. They don’t believe that the majority of Americans will hear about this because the media won’t report it.

What’s worse, is that the media has a long history of cover ups when it comes to democrats starting with FDR.

Vince on June 27, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Somehow, nearly every day during the Age of Obama, I find myself asking: how dumb do they think we are?

A majority of the electorate was dumb enough to put this bunch of corrupt, incompetent criminals into the White House in 2008.
Given that, how could anyone have a high opinion of Americans’ intelligence?

AZCoyote on June 27, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Hey, I’ve got a great idea. If this scandal is getting to the point where even some Dems will be voting to hold Holder in contempt let’s schedule the vote for the same day SCOTUS rules on Obamacare so nobody hears about it.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 8:58 AM

I don’t know how it is in politics, but in marketing we do what is called the “Event Strategy”. We schedule three or four things all at the same time specifically so that the messages reinforce each other and actually get through to the listener.

It’s up to Republican leaders to take what happens on Thursday and craft it as a single message — Obama and his administration are lawless and reckless — or some similar angle. No matter what the SCOTUS decision, this is a gigantic messaging opportunity.

rlyle on June 27, 2012 at 9:21 AM

I think it was one of the Hotair bloggers that suggested it could be on the same day so that Dems could feel like they could vote for it without the harsh spotlight from the media as it will be blunted by healthcare coverage.

MechanicalBill on June 27, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

[libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM]

That’s not the only reason why NRA cares but I agree it is grandstanding, though I’d be inclined to call it “Queen to Bishop 4, threatening several vulnerable pawns”.

It’s a question of being in the right place at the right time, with a persuasive sales pitch. Or, as Milton Friedman says, “It’s nice to elect the right people, but that isn’t the way you solve things. The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.”

Dusty on June 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Hey, I’ve got a great idea. If this scandal is getting to the point where even some Dems will be voting to hold Holder in contempt let’s schedule the vote for the same day SCOTUS rules on Obamacare so nobody hears about it.

Mark1971 on June 27, 2012 at 8:58 AM

You’re absolutely, positively sure that when the contempt vote was scheduled last week for Thursday that they knew the SCOTUS would be handing down their ruling on the same day?

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

GREAT argument!

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fossten on June 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Yup, you’ve got nothing. Again.

Must suck to be as intellectually and morally bankrupt as you, but as long as the ends justify the means, and your side is “winning”, that’s all that matters, right?

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on June 27, 2012 at 9:29 AM

I’m willing to accept someone’s assertion that it’s not a conspiracy. I have no problem with that. But if it were a conspiracy, would it look any different? When I hear hoof-beats I think horses.

swinia sutki on June 27, 2012 at 9:17 AM

It’s obviously a conspiracy in that people conspired to commit illegal acts and that they forced others to comply.

Dante on June 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Brainfree, they care because F&F was an attack on the 2nd Amendment.

msupertas on June 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

All the proof needed that this liberal is not objective and not worth ever paying attention to again.

Vince on June 27, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Yep. Yesterday it was the “Israeli apartheid state”, today it’s “F&F is just political grandstanding”.

Bitter Clinger on June 27, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Did you know that Sharyl Atkinson at CBS news uncovered internal memos which detailed discussions within Justice/ATF about how to use F&F to push for stricter gun control laws?

gwelf on June 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

But, Ed, don’t you know it’s only bipartisan when Republicans join Democrats in supporting a measure and not the other way around? I mean by your rationale, the vote AGAINST Obamacare in the House was bipartisan.

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Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 8:45 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

…E x a c t l y !…no sarc tag needed!
Go Mia Love!

KOOLAID2 on June 27, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I’d like a cogent explanation just why I need a permit in order to exercise a constitutional right.

I’m sure someone can take up this challenge.

irongrampa on June 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

.
Actually, I thought every House vote (and Senate vote) was “scored”.

It that a misunderstanding on my part?

If the NRA is going to publish a list on their own to distribute to their membership, how is that any different from any other “special interest” group?

But if they were to falsify the House vote scoring for “political advantage”, that’s a different matter.

listens2glenn on June 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Did you know that Sharyl Atkinson at CBS news uncovered internal memos which detailed discussions within Justice/ATF about how to use F&F to push for stricter gun control laws?

gwelf on June 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Yes, it knows. Because the link to that story has been posted in the comments here numerous times over the past 2 weeks.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 9:43 AM

As bad as this looks, Obama is too politically savvy to set himself up. I think that he’s going to let the contempt of Congress go forward. Then, sooner or later, the “remaining” (the incriminating documents will disappear) documents will be released to the New York Times that will exonerate Holder and Obama. Then, Obama will call for an apology from Republicans for convicting an innocent man and attempting to ruin his reputation and his.

That will be enough to get Obama re-elected by the idiot class in this country.

I hope that I’m wrong.

cajunpatriot on June 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

libs will just scream NRA now, and ignore 300 dead Mexicans

evidence: libfreeordie

Slade73 on June 27, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Yep. I made the mistake of clicking a Politico link the other day(It was an accident. I swear!) and all the lib commenters were blaming just about everything on the NRA…..and Bush. Some people were still claiming Bush started F&F. Amazing.

Dongemaharu on June 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I hope that I’m wrong.

cajunpatriot on June 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

You are giving Obama too much credit. He is only as politically savvy as his advisors and the media make him. When you have too many advisors, sooner or later you’re going to screw up.

The coverup makes it worse because you are going against an opposition that does not like to be made a fool of. The more arrogant your coverup, the more agressive your opponent will be.

Vince on June 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM

NRA stooge

plewis on June 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM

He doesn’t dare vote NO! Not in Utah! Mia Love will be nipping at his heals before long

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OK, I said this above, but I don’t understand when you expand and carry it from headline to this blog why you can’t import the comments.

Bambi on June 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM

NRA trolling stooge

plewis on June 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Bitter Clinger on June 27, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Rest easy cajunpatriot. Issa likely has all he needs to proceed with charges and is letting them hang themselves. My hunch is he using the Breitbart tactic of letting out bits of information by asking a few questions he already knows the answers to.

Issa has a witness list that is growing. The hard charge can wait until after November when he’s faced with a bunch of lame ducks that will not be inclined to support him or after the inuageration of Romney.

Murder of a federal agent has no statute of limitations and an unlimited number of detectives.

Watch the votes of the hispanic reps. Their constituents will be paying attention.

DanMan on June 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Then, sooner or later, the “remaining” (the incriminating documents will disappear) documents will be released to the New York Times that will exonerate Holder and Obama.

[cajunpatriot on June 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM]

It’s hard to make incriminating documents disappear if you don’t know how many copies there are and who has them by now. Also you’d need to make sure to eliminate any documents which reference them. Plus you’d also need to eliminate evidence that they disappeared, such as deletion records; there may even be records of who did the deletions/shredding, when it was last seen and by who such as routing records.

It would be really, really bad form to make disappear records that Issa may already have from a whistle-blower.

Dusty on June 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM

I hope that I’m wrong.

cajunpatriot on June 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

You are giving Obama too much credit. He is only as politically savvy as his advisors and the media make him. When you have too many advisors, sooner or later you’re going to screw up.

The coverup makes it worse because you are going against an opposition that does not like to be made a fool of. The more arrogant your coverup, the more agressive your opponent will be.

Vince on June 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM

I think Obama might try something similar to the deal Holder offered this last time: let the contempt vote proceed, then let some media publish an exclusive of a few leaked documents that are “safe,” and let the media then try to claim that it proves there’s no substance behind the investigation.

That could gain the Obama administration a little extra shielding from the media, which would be enough for those people who are just looking for an excuse to dismiss the investigation.

But it won’t be enough to derail the investigation, or the contempt vote, or the assertion of executive privilege. As long as those things are in place, the media will have to cover the story.

There Goes The Neighborhood on June 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Why do liberals like to see Mexicans get killed?

pain train on June 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Ends justify the means. Simple as that.

Midas on June 27, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I think Obama might try something similar to the deal Holder offered this last time: let the contempt vote proceed, then let some media publish an exclusive of a few leaked documents that are “safe,” and let the media then try to claim that it proves there’s no substance behind the investigation.

[There Goes The Neighborhood on June 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM]

The only problem I see with that is giving documents to the media that were part of the subpoena but not giving them to the Committee is worth an additional Contempt of Congress citation.

Dusty on June 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM

I think Obama might try something similar to the deal Holder offered this last time: let the contempt vote proceed, then let some media publish an exclusive of a few leaked documents that are “safe,” and let the media then try to claim that it proves there’s no substance behind the investigation.

[There Goes The Neighborhood on June 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM]

The only problem I see with that is giving documents to the media that were part of the subpoena but not giving them to the Committee is worth an additional Contempt of Congress citation.

Dusty on June 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Anonymous leak. Just try to prove it was done by Holder.

There Goes The Neighborhood on June 27, 2012 at 10:21 AM

He’s not worried about the NRA he’s worried about Mayor Mia Love. And he should be.

MajorKong on June 27, 2012 at 10:24 AM

DuctTapeMyBrain on June 27, 2012 at 8:09 AM

That occurred yesterday in the healthcare meme. He showed the world just how foolish and simple his thinking was.

chemman on June 27, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Does anyone think the libs trying to justify this would chance there story if it was 300 dead liberals and 2 dead Mexicans? ?????………..

angrymike on June 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM

If Matheson is the guy going up against Mia Love… well.. yeah the guy had better figure out which way the wind is blowing as he will need every scrap of credibility in UT to be re-elected. Getting the NRA angry at you in one of the most conservative districts around isn’t a very bright idea no matter which way you cut it. And if you have a smart, personable and eminently electable opponent coming up against you…then figuring out that you DON’T represent your party and that you DO represent your district ought to weigh very heavily on him.

ajacksonian on June 27, 2012 at 10:31 AM

The key is that the NRA is a single issue group that is highly effective and who the democrats listen to. The NRA believes – and in lieu of any information to the contrary have every reason to – this was an attempt to make gun dealers look bad to restrict 2nd Amendment rights. Squarely in the center of their reason for existence.

Seesm Obama was stupid enough to put even more democrats at risk in 2012. Remember in 2010 the NRA supported some democrats that saved them. Scratch one more constituency. Not too many left.

Zomcon JEM on June 27, 2012 at 10:32 AM

I didn’t think there were any D’s in Congress from Utah . . .

williampeck1958 on June 27, 2012 at 10:41 AM

NRA stooge

plewis on June 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Joe DeRita checks in.

Del Dolemonte on June 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM

The NRA should deliver a bipartisan result. Not sure if flyover state Dems actually care about the second amendment personally but they like their jobs (who wouldn’t?).

CorporatePiggy on June 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM

The NRA ‘scoring’ votes here simply amplifies how much this indeed indeed a partisan and political battle.
And in one breath Ed explains Matheson’s vote results from the fact that he ‘faces a tough challenge in November from Republican Mia Love’ – and then offers that this fact undercuts ‘the argument that the contempt vote is nothing more than a partisan electoral fight’.
Huh?
Try following your own logic when making conclusions.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

I know I shouldn’t but, oh well.

When did the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee begin the investigation into Fast and Furious?

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM

The NRA ‘scoring’ votes here simply amplifies how much this indeed indeed a partisan and political battle.
And in one breath Ed explains Matheson’s vote results from the fact that he ‘faces a tough challenge in November from Republican Mia Love’ – and then offers that this fact undercuts ‘the argument that the contempt vote is nothing more than a partisan electoral fight’.
Huh?
Try following your own logic when making conclusions.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

You can’t be this stupid and still walk upright, can you?

Don’t worry, it’s a rhetorical question. For a definition of rhetorical, check Wikipedia, your favorite “source” for “facts”.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on June 27, 2012 at 11:01 AM

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

After all, what’s a bunch of dead Mexicans in light of the potential to further disarm law-abiding citizens in the US. You don’t like them anyway.

CurtZHP on June 27, 2012 at 11:02 AM

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Maybe this will help you. In election years, democrats suddenly remember that they are supposed to represent their constituents, rather than voting in lockstep with their queen, Pelosi. This causes them to pretend they are more mainstream than they really are, because they know that if they were honest about their socialist views and goals they would never be elected. So every two years, we get a show like this. Keep watching, this guy will not be the only one.

Night Owl on June 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM

After all, what’s a bunch of dead Mexicans in light of the potential to further disarm law-abiding citizens in the US. You don’t like them anyway.

CurtZHP on June 27, 2012 at 11:02 AM

The dead Mexicans…yes, that keeps coming up.
I’m sure you feel you are genuinely concerned.
Of course I can’t recall the F&F die-hards here or the NRA saying much when Mexican President Calderon, commenting on the ease with which gangs and cartels buy weapons in the US, offered this a few months back:

“The expiring of the assault weapons ban in the year 2004 coincided almost exactly with the beginning of the harshest — the harshest — period of violence we’ve ever seen,””

And the NRA battles groups and police unions who out of concern for the safety of their officers seek a modicum of reason in the gun control debate.
But now suddenly the tragic deaths of Mexicans and US law enforcement officer in the drug wars are being spun for political purposes.
Unreal.
But I bet you’d have a good ‘score’ with the NRA.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Flora,
The threads are long enough without playing clever back and forth question games.
I know you are fully capable of making whatever points you have to make.
I’m likely to respond to such.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM

The White House announced that when the conspiracy against Stonewall Holder comes to a vote in the House of Representatives, that the Spanish company Obama contracted with to count the November Election vote does the counting.

dockywocky on June 27, 2012 at 11:39 AM

From the Democrats!

“Blind Alleys:”

Chairman Issa on the Contempt of Attorney General Eric Holder
Published on Jun 26, 2012 by OversightDems

This new video called “Blind Alleys” was released today and details how the investigation of gunwalking under Operation Fast and Furious being conducted by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has been based on a series of unfounded claims and unsubstantiated allegations that turned out to be inaccurate after investigation.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRBZF9sZMFQ&feature=youtu.be

canopfor on June 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT), who faces a tough challenge in November from Republican Mia Love, has announced that he will vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt tomorrow, assuming that the Obama administration can’t cut a deal before the vote in the morning. He’s the first Democrat to break ranks, but he may not be the last:

Oh my….a bipartisan effort!!

I am sooooooooo looking forward to this cowardly, dishonest, smarmy little criminal getting his come-uppance.

Tim_CA on June 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM

But now suddenly the tragic deaths of Mexicans and US law enforcement officer in the drug wars are being spun for political purposes.
Unreal.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Hilarious. And I’m betting you’re too stupid to see the hypocrisy in that statement either.

Morons like you use illegal aliens as political weapons on a daily basis….and couldn’t give a sh!t about them.

Now 300 of them are dead (innocent civilians) in their own country….slaughtered with weapons given to them by your Messiah and his idiot AG….and you’re covering for them (badly).

Remind me again who’s making this political you semi-informed, moronic a-hole?

Tim_CA on June 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

But now suddenly the tragic deaths of Mexicans and US law enforcement officer in the drug wars are being spun for political purposes.
Unreal.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 11:24 AM

At least your not whining about a Valerie Plame retribution…..LOL

FlaMurph on June 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Flora,
The threads are long enough without playing clever back and forth question games.
I know you are fully capable of making whatever points you have to make.
I’m likely to respond to such.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Ok, the point I’m trying to make is that this investigation was started approximately 18 months ago.

DOJ turned over documents that were for the most part, completely blacked out. Holder got caught in lies during his testimony before the committee. Issa issued a subpoena in October of last year for documents that Holder refused to turn over.

Holder stonewalled some more. In October of last year Lamar Smith of the House Judiciary Committee Chairman requested that the president instruct the Department of Justice to appoint a special counsel. That request was either ignored or denied.

Issa’s committee then warned Holder that if he didn’t turn over the documents asked for in the subpoena that he was risking being cited for Contempt of Congress.

Holder decided to call what he thought was their bluff. He lost.

Which brings us to where we are today, in the middle of an election cycle.

So please explain to us how this is “indeed a partisan and political battle” on the part of the Republicans and the NRA?

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Remind me again who’s making this political you semi-informed, moronic a-hole?

Tim_CA on June 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

You are – though admittedly in a sloppy, inarticulate, and profane way. So any success for the efforts won’t come from your participation.
Though maybe just showing up is enough these days.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Nope, this isn’t political grandstanding at all. Which is totally why the NRA cares.

libfreeordie on June 27, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Libby, you’re the one who said that this was old news…that everything had been revealed…that there was no sense going over it any longer.

Why are you here? Don’t you have something more important to do…..like licking up puddles of obama-spit?

Solaratov on June 27, 2012 at 12:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRBZF9sZMFQ&feature=youtu.be

canopfor on June 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Good heavens! Who put that splice and dice together, NBC video editors?

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

So please explain to us how this is “indeed a partisan and political battle” on the part of the Republicans and the NRA?

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 12:04 PM

I’m not saying the NRA has been a participant in all this – though I guess they are now.
I’m pointing out that the fact they feel the need (or opportunity) to throw their hat into the ring over the contempt vote illustrates the partisan and political nature of this investigation.
If this is, as you feel, purely a legitimate investigation solely focused on finding out how F&F was developed, approved, continued, etc. – why would the NRA have a dog in the fight?
I suppose one could argue the conspiracy theory about the secret gun control plan Obama and Holder have been scheming.
And someone will.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

LMAO…..this one really has all of the troll’s little panties in a bunch!

It’s going to be sweet to watch Holder fall….then the inevitable “pardon” when the faux messiah is voted out.

lol…..Cry little trolls – cry and throw your little hissy fits…..your tears nourish me!

Tim_CA on June 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

I suppose one could argue the conspiracy theory about the secret gun control plan Obama and Holder have been scheming.
And someone will.

verbaluce on June 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

You really need to get your head out of your azz and read up on this F & F scandal. It was and is a attempt to limit our 2A rights. Why else would they do it?

VegasRick on June 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

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