Hispanic vote overrated?

posted at 10:41 am on June 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Both parties and both Presidential candidates have focused intently on the growing Hispanic demographic in the US in hopes of either maintaining an edge (Barack Obama) or eroding it (Mitt Romney).  Both candidates addressed the NALEO conference this month, and both regularly run Spanish-language ads to woo these voters in the Southwest and in Florida.  But will it make that much of a difference?  National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar looks at turnout data from primaries in these areas and concludes that the Hispanic vote may be significantly overrated:

If there was any doubt about the importance of the Hispanic vote this election year, President Obama laid it to rest with his recent, aggressive courtship of Latino voters. But this month also provided fresh warnings to the Obama campaign that Hispanic voters, despite their growing numbers, aren’t all that interested in turning out to vote.

The evidence can be drawn from the House primaries that took place in states with significant Hispanic populations over the last month, particularly California, New York, and Texas. In contests from Southern California to Spanish Harlem, Hispanic candidates suffered political disappointments because of low turnout from their own voters.

In Texas, the failure could possibly be chalked up to a lack of enthusiasm among Democratic Hispanics in an overwhelmingly Republican state.  But what’s the explanation for California, where Democrats control every statewide office and both chambers of the legislature?

But in California, the party took a major hit when its favored candidate in a 49.4 percent-Latino battleground district didn’t even qualify for the ballot. Redlands Mayor Pete Aguilar was one of the party’s brightest recruits, and looked like an early favorite against Republicans Rep. Gary Miller (who didn’t live in the district he was running in) and state Sen. Bob Dutton. But turnout in the district’s fast-growing Hispanic core was anemic, and Aguilar didn’t even qualify for the general election ballot, finishing in third place in the all-party primary. This, in a district Obama carried with over 55 percent of the vote.

This was the embarrassing outcome of the electoral “reform” pushed by California Democrats a couple of years ago — the open primary.  Instead of two primaries, one for each party, each office now only gets one, and everyone votes in it.  The top two vote-getters proceed to the general election.  Democrats insisted that having independents participating in the open primaries would produce more moderate candidates, but most figured that it would lock Republicans out of certain House districts.  Instead, the too-cute-by-half effort doomed Aguilar and will put one of two Republicans in this seat instead.

Aguilar, as Kraushaar notes, ran explicitly on immigration reform in this race.  It still didn’t produce the kind of Hispanic-voter turnout envisaged by Democrats.  That should be a warning flare to Obama and the Democrats, who have tried to change the subject from jobs and the economy this month with Obama’s executive action to temporarily provide work permits to illegal immigrants rather than prosecute them.  If that isn’t generating turnout in House primaries for Hispanic candidates, it’s not going to do much in November for Obama, either.


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It’s not just about Hispanic turnout. If Obama keeps pandering to that bloc of voters on illegal immigration, but in the process depresses the black vote(even by a fraction) and infuriates most white voters, he loses more than he gains.

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Good to hear some counter points on the Hispanic vote. What I have been curious about specifically is Florida.

Obama prob isn’t worried as much about California as Florida and I haven’t been able to discern how much his immigration pandering might affect the Florida vote.

Skwor on June 27, 2012 at 10:47 AM

It will be interesting to see how many democrat hispanic reps vote to hold Eric Holder in contempt tomorrow.

DanMan on June 27, 2012 at 10:48 AM

I wonder what J-Lo thinks about this?

(yeah, I have lots of time on my hands)

listens2glenn on June 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM

But what’s the explanation for California,

Oh, thats really rather simple, Californian’s are not as Liberal or Democrat as the Fifth Column Treasonous Media has deceived you into believing.

SWalker on June 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Obama only lied to Hispanics the last time around about making immigration a top priority. I’m sure that they have all forgotten about that and are ready to be used by him when he assures them he will make it a top priority in a second term…

Not the approval and nodding heads from the Hispanic apparatchiks who have been elected to office… a sure ‘hot button’ issue just so long as NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

That should tell you the great fervor that Obama has about the issue… it ranks well after his golf game… but then, what doesn’t?

ajacksonian on June 27, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Dems in Arizona are pushing for the top two primary

Vote NO Arizonans

cmsinaz on June 27, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Uno Mas Fajita (Spanish for “you betcha”).

Bishop on June 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

The hispanic vote sure didn’t factor in Rangel’s election. He is still there………… what idiots! And these people have driver’s licenses!

ultracon on June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

The point here is that even Hispanics are living in this horrible Obama economy and economics trump all other issues. What good is immigration reform if you can’t find a job?

Ta111 on June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Ed,

Thanks for bumping Jazz’z gay-dar thread.

Why does Salem put up with these athiests???

Eph on June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Uno Mas Fajita (Spanish for “you betcha”).

Bishop on June 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Maybe in Minnasouter or wherever you have hidden that bunker of yours, But here in California Uno Mas Fajita means “pass me a beer”… ;p

SWalker on June 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM

The point here is that even Hispanics are living in this horrible Obama economy and economics trump all other issues. What good is immigration reform if you can’t find a job?

Ta111 on June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

If anything immigration “reform” makes matters worse. It introduces at least a million additional people into the workforce and many of them could be hired at a far lower cost than the folks currently out there looking for a job.

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM

That should be a warning flare to Obama and the Democrats, who have tried to change the subject from jobs and the economy this month with Obama’s executive action to temporarily provide work permits to illegal immigrants rather than prosecute them.

Ed. you’re one of the few in the Pundit Class that sees this. A recent poll of Hispanic voters said the biggest issue in the election is…THE ECONOMY!!

It’s not about immigration. Romney is wise to avoid getting caught in Emperor Husein’s trap.

NickDeringer on June 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Frijoles Un Casa Del Senorita (TFGRP eats dog).

Bishop on June 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

First, I think the pandering, irrespective of party, is insulting and offensive. Both to many Hispanics and people of other races who still represent a majority in this country.

I can’t speak to why Hispanics are comfortably and largely in the camp of Democrats. What I can say is there are a fair degree who feel Mr. Obama unprecedented moves on immigration don’t help many Hispanics, in fact it hurt their image.

One must first make a distinction between legal and illegal immigration. How do you believe a person who legally went through the time and expense feels about some of these recent illegal immigration fiats? How about not enforcing the law so that more people here illegal subvert the process?

Are Hispanics largely people who don’t care about the law and can be bought with some cheap, tawdry and temporary illegal immigration hi-jinx?

Hardly, that is all insulting and contra-intellectual to the entire American experience and dream. It also only appeals to a small faction of the Hispanic population.

Marcus Traianus on June 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Agree Nick but lsm will continue with their mitt needs to be specific on his immigration solution now meme

Distraction

cmsinaz on June 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

test

gumbyandpokey on June 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Yes.

PopsRacer on June 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM

ALL the minority votes are way overrated – black, Hispanic, gay, and especially Jewish.

abobo on June 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM

But what’s the explanation for California,
Oh, thats really rather simple, Californian’s are not as Liberal or Democrat as the Fifth Column Treasonous Media has deceived you into believing.

SWalker on June 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

I live out here (SOCAL) and it was a perfect storm of enthusiastic Republicans and low DIMocrat turnout that cost the Mayor from Redland a spot in the new “top two” format…

The CA DIMs out foxed themselves this time… and us local IE conservatives are just laughing at them…

Khun Joe on June 27, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Frijoles Un Casa Del Senorita (TFGRP eats dog).

Bishop on June 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

OK, now you are just plain loosing it. El Primer presidente de Derechos Alegre come perros

SWalker on June 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM

My Puerto Rican dad who lives in Chicago is so disgusted with Obama that he says he isn’t going to vote this time around, and he has voted faithfully for decades.

RedRedRice on June 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM

In Texas, the failure could possibly be chalked up to a lack of enthusiasm among Democratic Hispanics in an overwhelmingly Republican state.

Now, why wouldn’t Hispanic voters turn out for a Senate candidate named Cruz? Because he’s a Republican?

Steve Z on June 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM

That should be a warning flare to Obama and the Democrats, who have tried to change the subject from jobs and the economy this month with Obama’s executive action to temporarily provide work permits to illegal immigrants rather than prosecute them.

Yeah, that’s the ticket! Just keep going down that path Champ.

Gallup: Economy, not immigration, key to Hispanic vote

What I have been curious about specifically is Florida.

Obama prob isn’t worried as much about California as Florida and I haven’t been able to discern how much his immigration pandering might affect the Florida vote.

Skwor on June 27, 2012 at 10:47 AM

From today’s Quinnipiac poll.

Florida’s Hispanic voters back Obama 56 percent to 32 percent, compared to 49 percent to 39 percent in a June 21 Quinnipiac University poll, conducted before Obama and Romney each made major addresses on immigration policy.

Florida voters support Obama’s immigration initiative 58 percent to 33 percent and say 46 percent to 40 percent the president would do a better job on immigration. Source

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Every 1% of White vote than Obama loses he needs to gain 5% in Hispanics vote to make it even. In the real world Obama is now at 37% among White voters down by 6% from the white vote he got in 2008 (43% of whites voted for Obama). On the other hand Obama is at the same % of vote among Hispanics 67% in 2008 and around 67% in polls today…
Obama cannot be re-elected if he is below 39% among whites no matter how well he does among Hispanics…

mnjg on June 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Y’all forget an important factor that no poll will account for. Many Hispanics that won’t bother to visit the voting booth in November will vote for Democrats anyway. So will their deceased relatives, their Mexican uncles, and their family dogs.

Archivarix on June 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Frijoles Un Casa Del Senorita (TFGRP eats dog).

Bishop on June 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Beans a House of Miss? What dat mean, Obispo?

Steve Z on June 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM

From today’s Quinnipiac poll.

Florida’s Hispanic voters back Obama 56 percent to 32 percent, compared to 49 percent to 39 percent in a June 21 Quinnipiac University poll, conducted before Obama and Romney each made major addresses on immigration policy.

Florida voters support Obama’s immigration initiative 58 percent to 33 percent and say 46 percent to 40 percent the president would do a better job on immigration. Source

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Problem is as Ed noted that Q poll was pretty much garbage so I won’t use any of it.

Skwor on June 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Cuban hispanics are citizens. Puerto Rican hispanics are citizens.

Only Mexican hispanics are not automatically citizens.

hispanic polls don’t mean anything

gerrym51 on June 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

The so-called Hispanic vote is not the homogenous voting block blacks are — 90-95% Dem no matter who the candidate is. The “Hispanic” world is huge, spanning all of Central and South America including much of the Caribbean — everyone in this hemisphere whose heritage is south of the Rio Grande. There are many cultural differences between them, just as there are among Southern, South Eastern, and Eastern Asians.

Further, being soft on illegal immigration cuts both ways. Many “Hispanics” now in the US, including those who are US citizens and “legal” immigrants, will be competing with illegals for jobs. That does not predispose them to automatically supporting illegal immigration.

farsighted on June 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Ghey marriage isn’t popular among Black or Hispanic minorities. Obama has to pander to each faction of his base. (N.O.W. -Abortion Advocates WAR ON WOMEN) This is what happens when you cobble disparate groups into a base. You pander to one you alienate the others.

Romney’s big hurdle is that people really believe that the economy is in the shape it’s in, because of George W Bush, and Obama was handed a messed up economy. A vote for Romney means more George W Bush ruining the economy. Obama is still running against George W Bush, and that works on democrat voters.

Clear up that misconception, make the message simple, and saturate the media with it.

Dr Evil on June 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I’ve been saying this for a while now. It’s not so much that Hispanics don’t like to vote, but that pollsters make unwarranted assumptions about the composition of the Hispanic vote.

Most folks gathering poll info on Hispanics—where do they go and find them? Why, they go to Spanish-language places like Univision, where there is a significant contingent of ineligible, illegal poll respondents. If the new Voter ID law in Juan’s state means that Juan can’t get some dead guy’s voter ID at his day labor center this fall, his opinion is meaningless to pollsters.

Secondly, people make very Irish and Italian assumptions about migration from Central America. They forget that a big reason the Irish and Italians stuck around in the numbers they did a century or so ago is because trans-Atlantic boat tickets were really, really, really expensive. Irish and Italians assumed they’d pry a gold brick up off the streets of America to afford their passage back to The Auld Sod. But in reality, in all the streets they end up sweeping, they never managed to find any gold, and that made the passage back to Europe too prohibitive.

Being smuggled across the US-Mexican border by comparison is very cheap, and eminently affordable by low-wage workers. Do we even have good numbers on how long illegals stay in this country? The elementary schools I work at in el barrio are standing room only, but the middle and high schools are much, much less crowded. It’s not unusual to hear that XYZ’s family went back to El Salvador or whatever. I think pollsters are ASSuming that those anchor babies stay in the States, turn 18, and vote. Or at least the moms stay in the US well past the time the kids keep the family eligible for TANF. A porous border is porous in both directions, and Central American illegals may just come to America, get what they want, then leave.

Sekhmet on June 27, 2012 at 11:15 AM

If Obama keeps pandering to that bloc of voters on illegal immigration, but in the process depresses the black vote(even by a fraction) and infuriates most white voters, he loses more than he gains.

Doughboy on June 27, 2012 at 10:46 AM

By pandering to “children” (up to 30 years old!) of illegal immigrants, Obama might lose other Hispanic voters–those who waited in line and paid lots of money and jumped through bureaucratic hoops for years to come here LEGALLY, and now see their jobs stolen by people whose father jumped a fence when nobody was looking.

Plus, he could lose the votes of a few Gringos who, with underemployment at 17%, will gladly work at jobs “only Mexicans would take”.

Steve Z on June 27, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Two major falsehoods floating around the Liberal worldview:

1. All Hispanics vote the same way.

2. Hispanics are in favor of more invasion (aka ‘illegal immigration’).

Somehow the evidence for both of these is elusive…

landlines on June 27, 2012 at 11:16 AM

I have to laugh when I read/hear people talking about the “Hispanic Vote.” “Hispanic” refers to those who prefer to speak one White European language (Spanish), rather than another White European language (English).

There is no such thing as an ethnic “Hispanic”. In California, and other parts of the West, it means Mexican, usually a blend of Mayan-Aztec-Spanish ethnicity. In New York City, it means Puerto Rican (Spanish-Carib Indian-African), or at least used to when I lived there, although I believe it may also mean Colombian or Dominican. Here in Florida, it usually means Cuban (mostly white), although it can also refer to Mexican and Central American agricultural laborers. To expect such disparate peoples, coming from different countries, all with very different responses to the Spanish Conquest and very different adapatations of the culture of white, European Spain, to necessarily see themselves as a uniform ethnic minority is to be a dupe of liberal racist myth-making.

Scriptor on June 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM

But what’s the explanation for California,
Oh, thats really rather simple, Californian’s are not as Liberal or Democrat as the Fifth Column Treasonous Media has deceived you into believing.

SWalker on June 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

I live out here (SOCAL) and it was a perfect storm of enthusiastic Republicans and low DIMocrat turnout that cost the Mayor from Redland a spot in the new “top two” format…

The CA DIMs out foxed themselves this time… and us local IE conservatives are just laughing at them…

Khun Joe on June 27, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Yup, the Dems Gerrymandered the state like crazy, and then fell for their own propaganda. So the official breakdown here is 45% Dem, 32% Rep, and 20% for Ind. With the majority of the Inds being conservatives.

SWalker on June 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Problem is as Ed noted that Q poll was pretty much garbage so I won’t use any of it.

Skwor on June 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Here’s a poll released June 22, 2012 by Latino Decisions and America’s Voice.

Problem is, America’s Voice is a liberal group, so take it for what its worth.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Oops,No Sh*t Sherlock!!

Rick Perry:

Barack Obama pandering to Hispanics with immigration order
Published: 26 June 2012 10:31 PM

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20120626-rick-perry-barack-obama-pandering-to-hispanics-with-immigration-order.ece

canopfor on June 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM

The hispanic vote sure didn’t factor in Rangel’s election. He is still there………… what idiots! And these people have driver’s licenses!

ultracon on June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

The way people drive in Harlem, that’s not saying much!

Steve Z on June 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Here’s a poll released June 22, 2012 by Latino Decisions and America’s Voice.

Problem is, America’s Voice is a liberal group, so take it for what its worth.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Thanks, unfortunately that poll has an MOE of +/- 5% by state which makes it even worse than the Q poll LOL.

Skwor on June 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Cuban hispanics are citizens. Puerto Rican hispanics are citizens.

Only Mexican hispanics are not automatically citizens.

hispanic polls don’t mean anything

gerrym51 on June 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Uh, no, Cuban Hispanics are not automatically citizens upon coming here.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Skwor on June 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Now you know why the Florida big city fish wraps of record like to use it to push their narrative. ;-)

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 11:25 AM

The media likes to view the Hispanic vote as some kind of monolithic entity. Truth is, those who came here legally tend not to have any love lost for the illegals. Then you have the second, third, fourth generation families who don’t see themselves as having a dog in the fight. The immigration issue itself will never attract Hispanics to the polls the way they want it to.

Go RBNY on June 27, 2012 at 11:25 AM

You get into an elevator, the doors start to close. They someone comes running up, “hold the door!”, they squeeze in the closing doors – what’s the first thing they do?

Slam down on the “door close” button.

Yeah.

Rebar on June 27, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Here are the U.S. demographics from the 2011 Census report:

White persons 78.1%

Black persons 13.1%

American Indian and Alaska Native persons 1.2%

Asian persons 5.0%

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander persons 0.2%

Persons reporting two or more races 2.3%

Persons of Hispanic or Latino Origin 16.7%

White persons not Hispanic 63.4%

Many factors go into how a person votes of course, but when looking at the number of hispanics in this country, they come in second place as far as population goes in this country. The majority of black voters will vote for Obama just based on skin color alone. So, hispanic voters do come into play concerning this election.

Cherokee on June 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Romney and the GOP in general have NO NEED TO PANDER.

(They can’t out-pander the Democrats, anyway)

40% of Hispanics want law enforcement, versus 54% favor amnesty.

Any GOP candidate should be happy with 40% of a minority bloc.

fred5678 on June 27, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Republican and Democrat leadership grossly over reach on the illegal alien issue! The vast majority of Americans do not want 10-20 million illegals in our country. No matter what prompted them to enter the USA without proper documents! Try to go to Mexico without documents, or any other foreign country! Only in American politics can they dare to ignore and violate our laws. This condition persists because we have politicians who violate their oaths and blatently flaunt our Constitution….insanity inside the Beltway is spreading across the nation!

tomshup on June 27, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Romney would have been in a lot better position if he hadn’t acted as if he were some hard right anti-immigrant candidate. He tried to be Tom Tancredo on immigration, when he’s really Lindsay Graham. So now, Latinos, like everyone else on just about every issue, is left wondering what the hell Romney’s position is.

Or they can just believe the Romney position that they agree/disagree with, and ignore the other(s). And call everyone else idiots for not believing the Romney position that they agree/disagree with – that’s the preferred tactic of the Romney supporters here at HA.

besser tot als rot on June 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Scriptor on June 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Exactly.
It seems to me that the Left does not grasp that. In their mind’s eye all Latino’s or Hispanics are Mexicans who came here in the past 25 years.

Nathan_OH on June 27, 2012 at 11:35 AM

It’s as overrated as anything else minority but we are not supposed to say that.

You go straight to PC jail. Do not collect $200.

Moesart on June 27, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Uh, no, Cuban Hispanics are not automatically citizens upon coming here.

if they set foot on us soil they stay. I thought they also became citizens. sorry

gerrym51 on June 27, 2012 at 11:37 AM

The vast majority of Americans do not want 10-20 million illegals in our country. No matter what prompted them to enter the USA without proper documents!

tomshup on June 27, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Unfortunately, that will never happen. And at this point, illegals get preferential treatment because government officials (cops, IRS, etc.) don’t want to deal with the hassle. So now, illegals can drive around with no license, no insurance, drunk, with open containers or claiming child tax credits for every real and made up child living in Mexico and just get let go. Until they kill someone. There needs to be some reform that allows us to hold them accountable for their illegal actions. If that reform grants them legal, non-citizenship track status in the US, with draconian deportation laws for those who don’t register, so be it.

besser tot als rot on June 27, 2012 at 11:39 AM

There is no such thing as an ethnic “Hispanic”. In California, and other parts of the West, it means Mexican, usually a blend of Mayan-Aztec-Spanish ethnicity. In New York City, it means Puerto Rican (Spanish-Carib Indian-African), or at least used to when I lived there, although I believe it may also mean Colombian or Dominican. Here in Florida, it usually means Cuban (mostly white), although it can also refer to Mexican and Central American agricultural laborers. To expect such disparate peoples, coming from different countries, all with very different responses to the Spanish Conquest and very different adapatations of the culture of white, European Spain, to necessarily see themselves as a uniform ethnic minority is to be a dupe of liberal racist myth-making.

Scriptor on June 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Exactly right. Hispanics is some meaningless sociologic term; there is no such monolithic group. Rubio, for example, is basically a Spaniard, as are most other Cubans, other than those of Afro heritage.

kenny on June 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Hispanics are a low turnout electorate. They already have a low registered voter rate and traditionally they turnout at an even lower rate.

But they take to an extrme in the primaries. It’s impossible extrapolate from the primaries to the general election.

For example, did they turnout at a lower rate in 2012 primaries relatively to the 2008 primaries?

40% of Hispanics want law enforcement, versus 54% favor amnesty.

Any GOP candidate should be happy with 40% of a minority bloc.

fred5678 on June 27, 2012 at 11:29 AM

That’s a poll from 2006 when the talk was about an extensive amnesty with a path to citizenship.

Amnesty for a dozen million plus citizenship for them all.

Now we’re talking about legal residence status for a few thousand – those that most people fell more sympathetic towards.

Anyone who can’t understand the difference between both is beyond redemption:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/poll-public-prefers-citizenship-for-dreamers-20120508

joana on June 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

All of the Hispanic friends and friendly acquaintances I have here in San Diego and across So. California (dozens) think Barack Obama is a subversive tool. All of them think that Obama’s Executive Privilege maneuver as well as his ordering of his DHS and DOJ to ignore illegal immigrants of any age under any circumstance is nothing less than a vote pandering kick-in-the-groin to all legal immigrants of every race. They’re actually personally offended. Some are even embarrassed by it. None of them are voting for Obama and all of them intend to vote in November.

Aside from the strictly partisan voters, only Illegal Immigrants and some of the legal resident relatives of Illegal Immigrants favor Obama’s actions — or lack thereof — and the vast majority of them won’t be voting because they can’t. On top of that the risk of getting caught voting illegally and subsequently being deported prevents most of them from even considering voting illegally. Even after all of Obama’s illegal immigrant enabling they can’t shake the fear of deportation because it is still very difficult and requires an abundance of effort to come back — and it still costs them a lot of money with no guarantees that they’ll successfully make it back on their first attempt and every attempt drains more money and more physical and mental energy.

And to top it all off — the majority of the Illegal Immigrants that I actually know and that my Hispanic friends know and/or are related to do not even want to be American citizens. They’re proud to be who they are and of the country from whence they came and they have no intention of denouncing their foreign citizenship to become a US citizen. They’re just here to make money and get what they can to send home across the border. They have no problem admitting as much because they know it’s true and they know that the vast majority of Americans know it’s true too.

President Barack Obama’s ‘Hail Mary’ shot with his illegal immigration pandering is going to be a brick airball. He may get some votes as a result but it won’t be anywhere near the number of votes he has lost as a direct result of his Hispandering.

FlatFoot on June 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Romney would have been in a lot better position if he hadn’t acted as if he were some hard right anti-immigrant candidate. He tried to be Tom Tancredo on immigration, when he’s really Lindsay Graham. So now, Latinos, like everyone else on just about every issue, is left wondering what the hell Romney’s position is.

Or they can just believe the Romney position that they agree/disagree with, and ignore the other(s). And call everyone else idiots for not believing the Romney position that they agree/disagree with – that’s the preferred tactic of the Romney supporters here at HA.

besser tot als rot on June 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Can’t you make any more transparent that your only purpose here is to bash the GOP candidates? You’re a single issue commentator: 99% of your posts are on how Romney and the rest of the GOP is terrible.

Again, Romney’s position on immigration, regardless of what one thinks of it, has been consistently the same: first, better border security. Second, employment verification program. Third, a wider field of action to the states. Fourth, give legal residence status to a few Dreamers, specifically those who acquired PhDs and are willing to serve on the military. Fifth, revamp legal immigration programs.

He never acted as he was Tom Tancredo or Lindsay Graham. You’re flat out making that up.

joana on June 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Uh, no, Cuban Hispanics are not automatically citizens upon coming here.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM

True but if they set foot on land then they can stay legally and their children if born here are citizens. Just guessing but since that policy has been in effect for decades I’m guessing that the majority of Cuban descent people in this country were born here and are citizens. Do you have any stats on that? I’m too lazy to actually look it up myself.

Oldnuke on June 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

What the heck is a Hispanic? Oh yeah, someone who was born in a place once colonized by Spain. OK, so everyone born in Florida, New Mexico, California… they’re are all Hispanics, right? Every one.

Hispanic is an absurd and poorly defined demographic.

rhombus on June 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

The Hispanic vote was 8% in 2004. It was 9% in 2008. Their percentage of the voting population keeps climbing, so assuming constant enthusiasm levels, they’ll be at least 10% of the electorate this year, possibly 11%.

So, there’s no need to overrate or underrate the Hispanic vote; we know exactly how much it is worth.

joana on June 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Liberal Democrats in Los Angeles and the Bay Area have no clue about the politics of the Inland Empire.

MichaelGabriel on June 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM

What the heck is a Hispanic? Oh yeah, someone who was born in a place once colonized by Spain. OK, so everyone born in Florida, New Mexico, California… they’re are all Hispanics, right? Every one.

Hispanic is an absurd and poorly defined demographic.

rhombus on June 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

In theory ‘hispanic’ includes the children of someone from Germany or Italy that emigrated to Argentina a generation ago. It looks easier to claim ‘hispanic’ status than to claim Cherokee blood.

slickwillie2001 on June 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Personal experience tells me hispanics generally have a work ethic, are religious, and take care of familly members, value the elderly ect…. I honestly think the majority want the American dream as opposed to entitlement, excuse making, deadbeat dads ect… Its a cultural difference. I would love to see the culture. value education more. I wish they would make legal immigration easier and less time comsuming and expensive so we can incorporate the labor we need and know whos here. Focusing on positive reform of legal immigration along with enforcement and aggressive deportation of lawbreakers would be a winner. I dont think latinos want the gangs ect here either.

ldbgcoleman on June 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Hispanic vote overrated?

…huh?…where are the Americans?

KOOLAID2 on June 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Ed correctly observed:

This was the embarrassing outcome of the electoral “reform” pushed by California Democrats a couple of years ago — the open primary. Instead of two primaries, one for each party, each office now only gets one, and everyone votes in it. The top two vote-getters proceed to the general election. Democrats insisted that having independents participating in the open primaries would produce more moderate candidates, but most figured that it would lock Republicans out of certain House districts. Instead, the too-cute-by-half effort doomed Aguilar and will put one of two Republicans in this seat instead.

..and fellow Californian, SWalker opined:

Oh, thats really rather simple, Californian’s are not as Liberal or Democrat as the Fifth Column Treasonous Media has deceived you into believing.
SWalker on June 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

..and to which I add: (1) Ed’s right, (2) SWalker’s right. Also, the problem with Aguilar not making the cut might very well be a referendum on how folks — even the good people of a deep blue state like California — might feel about Democrats in general. You know, as in given a choice of the three candidates, they want nothing to do with any Democrat.

There’s a bad moon on the rise, me brothers!

The War Planner on June 27, 2012 at 12:14 PM

True but if they set foot on land then they can stay legally and their children if born here are citizens. Just guessing but since that policy has been in effect for decades I’m guessing that the majority of Cuban descent people in this country were born here and are citizens. Do you have any stats on that? I’m too lazy to actually look it up myself.

Oldnuke on June 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

I’m too lazy to look it up to. All I can do is speak from my experience.

My son-in-law who is 45 came over here 30 yrs ago in the Mariel Boat Lift. He, his father and his brother all had to apply for legal status. After many years and reams of government red tape they finally got it. Last year, shortly before his death, his father was finally able to receive his citizenship.

My 2 grandchildren are American citizens because they were born here to my daughter, a born and raised American citizen.

There’s a whole community of Cubans here in Florida who hide in the shadows and try to stay under the radar because they are afraid of being sent back to Cuba before they obtain legal status.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

I don’t see how the Hispanic vote can be overrated, every vote is important.

I think Mitt Romney needs to clear up the misconception that he’s George W Bush incarnate when it comes to how he will with the economy.

Because Obama ran against George W Bush in 2008 NOT John McCain, and he’s running against George W Bush again in 2012 NOT Mitt Romney. Obama “We can’t go back to failed policies” the republicans drove us into a ditch I am just now getting us back on the road to recovery yada yada yada. There is a list somewhere that shows Obama has adopted a record number of Bush policies so who his he really running against?

Mitt Romney’s campaign needs to get out and shape their own campaign, and stop letting the Democrats with their media helpers shape Romney’s campaign into the 3rd coming of George W Bush.

Ask any democrat who’s fault the economy is in the shape it’s in today. They will answer, George W Bush, that was some strong kool aide. Romney needs to deliver the antidote spread it through the media.

Dr Evil on June 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Once you get out of Los Angeles County, Southern California is closer in culture and politics to Arizona or Texas than it is to Liberal California.

The problem is, there are 10 million idiots in Los Angeles County.

MichaelGabriel on June 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Personal experience tells me hispanics generally have a work ethic, are religious, and take care of familly members, value the elderly ect…. I honestly think the majority want the American dream as opposed to entitlement, excuse making, deadbeat dads ect… Its a cultural difference. I would love to see the culture. value education more. I wish they would make legal immigration easier and less time comsuming and expensive so we can incorporate the labor we need and know whos here. Focusing on positive reform of legal immigration along with enforcement and aggressive deportation of lawbreakers would be a winner. I dont think latinos want the gangs ect here either.

ldbgcoleman on June 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Your personal experience has deceived you. Massive third world immigration creates third world communities where the people just do not care. Please visit some of the slums of LA sometime. It’s like you’re in a foreign country. These were areas that were vibrant and clean 50 years ago. No mas.

During America’s history, we had periods of high immigration followed by lulls. This allowed assimilation to take place. Since 1965 the flood gates have been open (legal and illegal) with no end in sight. People who suggest immigration moratoriums are labeled racist for having a common sense solution to our ever increasing divisiveness along ethnic lines when it comes to politics. It does not make any sense during a recession to call for increases in legal immigration. We are already the most generous nation on the planet when it comes to immigration and people call for more? Ever since 1965, Mexico and Latin America are given preference for the most legal immigrants allowed into the country. Why? In my opinion, Europeans should be allowed in at the higher rate but how about more equal representation around the world? Latin American immigration has surpassed the number of immigrant groups that came here from 1850-1920 combined. It is time to put a stop to them if we want to preserve the ethnic makeup and culture of our own country.

Jerry Bear on June 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Correction: I think Mitt Romney needs to clear up the misconception that he’s George W Bush incarnate when it comes to how he will handle the economy.

Dr Evil on June 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

So how did the CA primary workout overall? I have yet to see a report at who made it out of the one primary vote. Is there a link that shows a list of each district and who made it to the general election as well as their party affiliation?

karenhasfreedom on June 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Hispanic vote overrated?

Better hope so

plewis on June 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM

But in California, the party took a major hit when its favored candidate in a 49.4 percent-Latino battleground district

Well, its GULAG, after all. Out of 49.4% Latinos, how many are legal and are not afraid to show up to vote with fake driving license in hand? Same for TX I am sure.

riddick on June 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Hispanics are very very proud of their hard work ethic, that doesn’t mesh well with the liberal plantation plank of the Trotsky party.

If Hispanics understood their traditional culture connects with the ethos of Conservatism they’d vote Right a lot more.

Work hard get ahead, that’s appealing to Latinos.

Speakup on June 27, 2012 at 1:05 PM

On Breitbart.

Assimilation is very important.

meMC on June 27, 2012 at 1:17 PM

So how did the CA primary workout overall? I have yet to see a report at who made it out of the one primary vote. Is there a link that shows a list of each district and who made it to the general election as well as their party affiliation?

karenhasfreedom on June 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Here ya go:

http://graphics.latimes.com/california-primary-june-5-2012/#/other_races

MichaelGabriel on June 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Latin American immigration has surpassed the number of immigrant groups that came here from 1850-1920 combined. It is time to put a stop to them if we want to preserve the ethnic makeup and culture of our own country.

Jerry Bear on June 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

So true. Everything you said affects me here in Dallas. There is a great article from American Thinker that I think would be of interest:

Great article that shows even legal immigration is a Death by A Thousand Cuts.

mrsmwp on June 27, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I would love to see the culture value education more.
ldbgcoleman on June 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM

True story. In Texas, when my mom went to register us in school, the teacher told my mom we should never take spanish or bilingual classes if she wanted us to succeed in the US. When my aunt went to register my cousins, another teacher told my aunt that her kids should take bilingual classes so they do not forget their native language.

We are all older now (30′s) and the difference in education is big.

Sometimes, the first english speaking American those moms meet to make decisions about the future of their kids makes a big difference.

meMC on June 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM

So what was the outcome? How are your cousins, economically, compared to you and your siblings?

karenhasfreedom on June 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM

So true. Everything you said affects me here in Dallas. There is a great article from American Thinker that I think would be of interest:

Great article that shows even legal immigration is a Death by A Thousand Cuts.

mrsmwp on June 27, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Fine article. Democratics think that allowing many millions of ‘hispanic’ voters into America will ensure their election for all time, but identity politics doesn’t work that way. As soon as the ‘hispanics’ reach a critical mass they will form their own political party and leave behind the old white and black democratics.

At the rate they are invading our country, that critical mass will be reached within a generation.

slickwillie2001 on June 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM

karenhasfreedom on June 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM

College education vs no college education, making less than 50k vs making more than 100k.

meMC on June 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Is the Hispanic vote overrated?

Republicans had better pray hard that it is, because they are doing everything in their power to chase Hispanics away from the GOP, and it’s working. This will benefit the Democrats for generations to come.

Drew Lowell on June 27, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Drew Lowell on June 27, 2012 at 2:28 PM

You will never out-pander the Democrats when it comes to appealing to a specific ethnic group (Latino/Hispanic is not even a real ethnicity but a government fabricated one). Why are we told over and over again that ‘Hispanics will decide the election’? Since when was 7% of the voting electorate so powerful that conservatives are forced to abandon their principles to cater to a particular group by practicing Democratic identity politics?

This is a losing strategy that plays into the hands of Democrats. Say Republicans forsake any of their conservative convictions and out-pander the Democrats by promising or granting amnesty. These people come from statist nations where free markets, individualism, and limited government are completely foreign concepts. They naturally are attracted to the platform of the left because they promise power and government goodies to their ethnic groups. Borders, language, and culture trump ideology. The neoconservative pipe dream that everyone will accept our way of life just by explaining it to them is a hysterical thought process. Once time passes and the historical white majority becomes a minority, the Republican party will either have to completely change its principles into a socialist lite party or just fade away into history.

Jerry Bear on June 27, 2012 at 2:44 PM

There’s a whole community of Cubans here in Florida who hide in the shadows and try to stay under the radar because they are afraid of being sent back to Cuba before they obtain legal status.

Flora Duh on June 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

This confuses me. Why would they hide? If a Cuban sets foot on American soil they’re allowed to stay. They may not have papers but they’re still legal so what are they afraid of? Even if the law changed it would only change for new arrivals and not those already here. Seems to me that if they’re afraid of the law changing they’d get on record as having been here before the law changed. What am I missing here?

Oldnuke on June 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Perhaps the real lesson is that Hispanic voters don’t automatically vote for open borders! The Donks love to keep all of their special interest groups on their plantations and pretend that they all want to stay there.

Hispanics are Americans! Americans who work for a living and feel the pain of not being able to find work. Hispanics are business owners, large and small, and they feel they wet blanket of over-regulation like ObamaCare and Dodd Frank. Hispanics are investors who want to retire comfortably on money that they earned, saved and invested.

MJBrutus on June 27, 2012 at 6:19 PM