Issa to Obama: So … the White House is involved in Fast and Furious, then?

posted at 9:21 am on June 26, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

In case readers didn’t already realize it … it’s on.   The Daily Caller has a letter sent by House Oversight Chair Darrell Issa to President Barack Obama challenging the assertion of executive privilege in the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious.  In the letter, Issa tells Obama that the assertion means one of two things: either the highest levels of the White House were involved in the effort to mislead Congress on OF&F, or Obama is deliberately obstructing the investigation:

“[Y]our privilege assertion means one of two things,” Issa wrote to the president in a letter dated June 25. “Either you or your most senior advisors were involved in managing Operation Fast & Furious and the fallout from it, including the false February 4, 2011 letter provided by the attorney general to the committee, or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purpose of further obstructing a congressional investigation.”

Issa said Obama’s assertion of executive privilege “raised the question” about the veracity of how the “White House has steadfastly maintained that it has not had any role in advising the department with respect to the congressional investigation.”

Obama’s assertion of executive privilege cited the “deliberative process” clause, but Issa rejects that as inapplicable under the circumstances:

Issa laid out that this is because the “Justice Department has steadfastly maintained that the documents sought by the committee do not implicate the White House whatsoever.”

“If true, they are at best deliberative documents between and among department personnel who lack the requisite ‘operational proximity’ to the president,” as legal precedent Issa cites requires. “As such, they cannot be withheld pursuant to the constitutionally-based executive privilege.”

Issa further breaks down how, “[c]ourts distinguish between the presidential communications privilege and the deliberative process privilege.”

“Both … are executive privileges designed to protect the confidentiality of executive branch decision-making,” Issa wrote. “The deliberative-process privilege, however, which applies to executive branch officials generally, is a common law privilege that requires a lower threshold of need to be overcome, and ‘disappears altogether when there is any reason to believe government misconduct has occurred.’”

Misconduct occurred on two levels.  Issa’s reference is to the false information submitted by DoJ officials in Congressional testimony, which is the specific subject of the subpoenas on which the contempt charge is based.  However, the overall investigation into OF&F also probes official misconduct in deliberately allowing thousands of weapons to be carried over the border with no way to track them, which violates regulations at the ATF — which is why ATF insiders blew the whistle on the operation in the first place.  Either way, Issa is entirely correct under US v Espy that deliberative process executive privilege does not survive in these circumstances.

The letter goes on to explain why Issa didn’t cut a deal with Attorney General Eric Holder.  Holder demanded that Issa “permanently” shelve the contempt charge and state that Holder had complied entirely with the subpoenas, in exchange for accepting a selective document dump, sight unseen.  Small wonder the meeting didn’t last long, and Holder had to run to Obama for an assertion of executive privilege immediately afterward.

If the White House wasn’t involved in OF&F or the cover-up, then Holder should have just coughed up the materials.  For that matter, Holder and the White House should have just fired the people involved in the first place and offered a “mistakes were made” mea minima culpa, which would have solved all of their political problems more than a year ago.  This would be old and barely relevant news had Obama and Holder done so.  The more they fight to keep those records secret — and especially when they offer ridiculous “deals” like the one Issa describes — the more it becomes clear that Obama really does have something to hide.

Update: The Hill also reports on Issa’s letter.


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…Sic ‘em!

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 9:25 AM

…do not let up!

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Film at 11. Right…

Aplombed on June 26, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Issa took some heat for the slow but painstaking process of building his case, but it turns out he wanted all his ducks lined up before he moved forward.

rob verdi on June 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Holder and Obama chose poorly.

VelvetElvis on June 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM

…LONG LIVE the KING!…Nancy Pelosi

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 9:28 AM

The more they fight to keep those records secret — and especially when they offer ridiculous “deals” like the one Issa describes — the more it becomes clear that Obama really does have something to hide.

You mean trying to hide the fact he’s a total incompetent dipshit fraud, we’re already on to that….oh, you mean F&F. Well, that too.

msupertas on June 26, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Issa to Holder,”your papers please?”.

tim c on June 26, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Nuke ‘em.

Nuke the bastards!

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on June 26, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Boehner should be holding the contempt vote TODAY… not O-Care Decision Day.

Bitter Clinger on June 26, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Issa took some heat for the slow but painstaking process of building his case, but it turns out he wanted all his ducks lined up before he moved forward.

rob verdi on June 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM

This is what I’ve felt all along. Very smart of Issa. He’s cornered Holder & Obama perfectly.

Bitter Clinger on June 26, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I have no idea, but I do know that you guys come up with really cool names for your fake scandals.

crr6 on July 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Zero acted stupidly.

Philly on June 26, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Issa….pitbull…

PatriotRider on June 26, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Mr. Obama: Please step into this cesspool of your DOJ’s obstruction—it’s really not that deep.

Rovin on June 26, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Issa took some heat for the slow but painstaking process of building his case, but it turns out he wanted all his ducks lined up before he moved forward.

rob verdi on June 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Have there been any recent updates on the DOJ Mole Issa supposedly has? Haven’t heard any news on that angle lately.

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 9:33 AM

“Either you or your most senior advisers were involved in managing Operation Fast and Furious and the fallout from it, including the false Feb. 4, 2011 letter provided by the attorney general to the committee, or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purpose of further obstructing a congressional investigation.”

It’s between Barack and a hard place.

Fallon on June 26, 2012 at 9:33 AM

In other words, if the White House was directly involved, then someone (Holder, Obama, or both) is guilty of perjury.

If the White House was not directly involved, Obama is guilty of obstruction of justice.

Draw your own conclusions.

sadarj on June 26, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Oooooooh, it’s on like Donkey Kong!

Sekhmet on June 26, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Hey Mr. red_herring from yesterday:

Where are the guns that did NOT turn up at crime scenes?

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Either you or your most senior advisors were involved in managing Operation Fast & Furious and the fallout from it, including the false February 4, 2011 letter…

 

It is a legit scandal, its also completely run its course… What more do we need to know?
 
libfreeordie on June 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM

rogerb on June 26, 2012 at 9:35 AM

O/T:

Chucky Todd is lecturing Gallup about weighting polls—pure gold.

Rovin on June 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Don’t back down ….hes gotten away with everything else…let this be the first roadblock in dear leaders eradication of the constitution and this great nation

cmsinaz on June 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I was reading an article that said over 700 of the guns were sold to one straw buyer. What if the real scandal isn’t that this was related to gun control legislation, but was also an effort to arm specific cartels (i.e. we knowingly armed Sinoloa so that it could take out the Zetas?)

Also, there is this:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-iran-tied-terror-plot-washington-dc-disrupted/story?id=14711933

Realistically, what are the chances that Iran/Hezbollah just happened to reach out to a cartel member who was a DEA informant? Isn’t it more likely that the cartel brought this information to the attention of the U.S.?

Not to drift into tin-hat land here, but the cartels are far more aware of what’s going on in Mexico than the Mexican government. Maybe we reached an accord with one of them to keep us abreast of terrorism issues in exchange for a good-faith gesture… like the transfer of thousands of guns to them in an already-ongoing operation called Fast and Furious.

Lawdawg86 on June 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM

1) stick the knife in
2) twist it
3) break it off

GhoulAid on June 26, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I have no idea, but I do know that you guys come up with really cool names for your fake scandals.

crr6 on July 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Have you appointed anyone to post this in your place should you be unable to fulfill your duties for any reason? LOL- Like someone said yesterday, that never gets old.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I’m still positive that it was a way to get rid of the 2nd ammendment. Since mexico is not screaming bloody murder because of their citizens killed, were they in on it to get rid of our guns as well?

Bambi on June 26, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Impeach and imprison.

Yesterday.

AZCoyote on June 26, 2012 at 9:38 AM

The Daily Caller also had a story yesterday afternoon about a single e-mail that could be the smoking gun.

A single internal Department of Justice email could be the smoking-gun document in the Operation Fast and Furious scandal — if it turns out to contain what congressional investigators have said it does.

The document would establish that wiretap application documents show senior DOJ officials knew about and approved the gunwalking tactic in Fast and Furious. This is the opposite of what Attorney General Eric Holder and House oversight committee ranking Democratic member Rep. Elijah Cummings have claimed.

It appears that email would also prove senior DOJ officials, likely including Holder himself, knew in March 2011 that a Feb. 4, 2011 letter from the DOJ to Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley falsely denied guns were permitted to “walk” into Mexico. The DOJ allowed that false letter to stand for nine more months, only withdrawing it in December 2011.

Rest of story here.

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 9:39 AM

In other words, if the White House was directly involved, then someone (Holder, Obama, or both) is guilty of perjury.

If the White House was not directly involved, Obama is guilty of obstruction of justice.

Draw your own conclusions.

sadarj on June 26, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Just taking Holder’s own testimony on face value, he is already guilty of either perjury or dereliction of duty. But if we can add Obama to the “guilty” pile I am all for it!

BTW I always enjoy Del and Roger reposting those old troll quotes.

jwolf on June 26, 2012 at 9:40 AM

The more they fight to keep those records secret — and especially when they offer ridiculous “deals” like the one Issa describes — the more it becomes clear that Obama really does have something to hide.

You rascally birthers.

Ronnie on June 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Rovin too funny

cmsinaz on June 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Have you appointed anyone to post this in your place should you be unable to fulfill your duties for any reason? LOL- Like someone said yesterday, that never gets old.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I’m sure rogerb would be happy to fill in…

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Obama will announce that this was part of his preemptive immigration policy to stop Mexicans from entering the US illegally by arming the drug cartels. This will endear him to all the Latinos who will consider him mucho macho and vote him back in amidst a groundswell of gratitude and awe. (working notes from Obama’s brain trust)

CitizenEgg on June 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM

you guys should’ve seen reverend al on morning joke. “but but Issa said on sunday that there was no evidence tying the president to F&F so this means it must be just political”

al has never come face to face with an Issa. a force for good like that only resides in his nightmares.

renalin on June 26, 2012 at 9:42 AM

“…..effective at Noon today, I shall resign the Office of the President….”

BobMbx on June 26, 2012 at 9:42 AM

For that matter, Holder and the White House should have just fired the people involved in the first place

Ed, have you ever known Obama to pullback from throwing a person under the bus? His own pastor found himself under the bus. Heck, he even tossed his own grandmother under the bus with the “typical white woman” comment. Thus, if Obama is unwilling to toss anyone under the bus it’s because there isn’t anyone he’s willing to toss under the bus (read: himself).

Weight of Glory on June 26, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Since mexico is not screaming bloody murder because of their citizens killed, were they in on it to get rid of our guns as well?

Bambi on June 26, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Mexico has been screaming bloody murder about the gun-running scam that put thousands of semi-automatic guns, grenades, and other weapons into the hands of their murderous drug cartels, and led to the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens.

You just haven’t heard about it from the MSM, because they don’t want to report on the F&F scandal — or anything else that shows their Golden Boy to be the corrupt, radical, thuggish failure that he is.

AZCoyote on June 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM

“If true, they are at best deliberative documents between and among department personnel who lack the requisite ‘operational proximity’ to the president,” as legal precedent Issa cites requires. “As such, they cannot be withheld pursuant to the constitutionally-based executive privilege.”

This crystal-clear argument has Obama dead to rights, but, sadly, it’s way over Obama’s head.

BuckeyeSam on June 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Nice jab Issa.

Dongemaharu on June 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Chucky Todd is lecturing Gallup about weighting polls—pure gold.

Rovin on June 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM

..link?

The War Planner on June 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Give President Obama just 4 more months. He needs more Flex-ib-il-i-ty.
Then he’ll come clean on Ev-er-y-thing.

FlatFoot on June 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Have you appointed anyone to post this in your place should you be unable to fulfill your duties for any reason? LOL- Like someone said yesterday, that never gets old.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 9:37 AM

What gets me..
Is ccr6 was a regular here…she saw all the evidence on F&F and still she turned a blind eye.

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I’m sure there are all of these memos showing discussion between White House officials about Fast and Furious …

… however since the White House officials never actually read the memos they wrote to each other, it doesn’t count.

PackerBronco on June 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I pray Holder sees dead people. A guilty conscience is all he’s gonna suffer.

Slade73 on June 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM

“…..effective at Noon today, I shall resign the Office of the President….”

BobMbx on June 26, 2012 at 9:42 AM

If only.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Republicans don’t care about dead Mexicans.
Amnesty for Sinaloa Cartel.
What.
/

Kenosha Kid on June 26, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Holder demanded that Issa “permanently” shelve the contempt charge and state that Holder had complied entirely with the subpoenas, in exchange for accepting a selective document dump, sight unseen.

The arrogance of this administration astounds.

MadisonConservative on June 26, 2012 at 9:50 AM

“…..effective at Noon today, I shall resign the Office of the President….”

BobMbx on June 26, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Obama would never have that level of decency. They’ll have to drag him out of there on January 20th.

Bitter Clinger on June 26, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Go Issa. Take down these accessories to murder.

rbj on June 26, 2012 at 9:53 AM

What gets me..
Is ccr6 was a regular here…she saw all the evidence on F&F and still she turned a blind eye.

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I remember. It was before I was registered, but I read Hot Air daily, and she was one of the ones I just wanted to reach through the computer and throttle. All I can think is that is really is true that liberalism is a mental disorder.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Can’t wait to hear the Boy Wonder Carny spin this!

KS Rex on June 26, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I pray Holder sees dead people. A guilty conscience is all he’s gonna suffer.

Slade73 on June 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I’m not sure he’s capable of having a guilty conscience. Remember, they planned on having dead bodies so they could push a gun-control meme.

Bitter Clinger on June 26, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Holder demanded that Issa “permanently” shelve the contempt charge and state that Holder had complied entirely with the subpoenas, in exchange for accepting a selective document dump, sight unseen.

Holder might as well have demanded a new pony and a Suzy Poo Poo doll too. WTF.

Bishop on June 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM

What gets me..
Is ccr6 was a regular here…she saw all the evidence on F&F and still she turned a blind eye.

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Evidence is relative when you’ve got buckets of Obama’s water draped all over your body.

This question that Issa asked… it’s way more than a jab. It might not be a knock out blow, but it’s a well thrown punch that connected.
Obama is more dazed today than he was yesterday.

Fish on June 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Issa is probably right,but what will he accomplish? This process is too slow. It is going at the same pace as the investigation of Maxine Waters. My childrens children might not live long enough to see the end of this. Obama needs to be impeached for a variety of reasons. The impeachment process should have begun eighteen months ago. What we have appears to be a lot of noise and even that is too little and so very, very late.

K Michael ODonovan on June 26, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Holder demanded that Issa “permanently” shelve the contempt charge and state that Holder had complied entirely with the subpoenas, in exchange for accepting a selective document dump, sight unseen.

The arrogance of this administration astounds.

MadisonConservative on June 26, 2012 at 9:50 AM

I think he really thought Issa was just a country bumpkin he could play. You know, Republicans are sooooooo stoooooo-pid. They believe their own spin.

Bitter Clinger on June 26, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Great post, Ed — excellent analysis. Unfortunately, the MSM translation is this: “The mean Republicans are unfairly picking on Holder and Obama because they are black.”

KS Rex on June 26, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Where are the protestors against the imperial president?

My liberal family has no idea this is even going on. Their media has ignored it.

PattyJ on June 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM

I read this morning that a low-level WH spokesman ridiculed the idea that F&F was a way of attacking the Second Amendment. God protect Issa and pass the popcorn…

indyvet on June 26, 2012 at 9:58 AM

The arrogance of this administration astounds.

MadisonConservative on June 26, 2012 at 9:50 AM

At least we’re learning that the Chicago Way doesn’t work on the national stage. I was worried for a while they’d get away with all this crap.

Who is John Galt on June 26, 2012 at 9:58 AM

/Democrat voter mode on

Don’t you wingnuts know that as long as our hunky SugarDaddy in Chief keeps those $9 per month checks coming, we aren’t going to care?

/Democrat voter mode off

Just saving Verbuordieaherring several hours of their day.

MNHawk on June 26, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Where are the protestors against the imperial president?

My liberal family has no idea this is even going on. Their media has ignored it.

PattyJ on June 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Those “protesters” would be productive American citizens. We have jobs and families to attend to.

And the media is ignoring it to keep people from knowing “this is even going on”.

Bitter Clinger on June 26, 2012 at 9:59 AM

the more it becomes clear that Obama really does have something to hide.

Himself should be priority one as far as hiding is concerned.

NoDonkey on June 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM

PresNitWit Joe Bite-Me, to replace PresNitWit Barrack “Dog Eater” OBLahBLah! Just in time for Nov. 2012, can’t come soon enough!

ConcealedKerry on June 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Give Issa credit for slowly giving Holder just enough room to tie himself in knots.

Did anyone else catch Stephen Hayes on the nightly Fox panel saying that Carney’s assertion that Holder ended F&F would mean that Holder ended the program several months before he claimed to have been aware of it in his Testimony? I haven’t seen it followed up anywhere and I’m wondering if Hayes got it wrong or if there’s just so much chum in the water that it slipped by?

trubble on June 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM

This would be old and barely relevant news had Obama and Holder done so.

Not to the Terry and Zapata families.

Flora Duh on June 26, 2012 at 10:01 AM

It has been one heck of a chess game between Issa and Holder.
Holder has been burning through his pieces, including hiding them and makiing false moves. Issa has stuck to the game. kept the pressure on. With Holder’s Queen in jeopardy, he was forced to expose the King. Now, with the King on the move, the end is nigh.

Jabberwock on June 26, 2012 at 10:01 AM

PresNitWit Joe Bite-Me, to replace PresNitWit Barrack “Dog Eater” OBLahBLah! Just in time for Nov. 2012, can’t come soon enough!

ConcealedKerry on June 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM

You’re getting a little ahead of yourself there.

Bitter Clinger on June 26, 2012 at 10:02 AM

I’m hoping Issa is deliberately dribbling out these nuggets to make TFGRP and his lap-snake Holder add more cards to their tottering house, just so that the fall is all the more spectacular.

It would be sweet if an insider has already leaked an email that is so damaging that even Tilt-A-Whirl Carney couldn’t spin it away.

Bishop on June 26, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Issa is probably right,but what will he accomplish? This process is too slow. It is going at the same pace as the investigation of Maxine Waters. My childrens children might not live long enough to see the end of this. Obama needs to be impeached for a variety of reasons. The impeachment process should have begun eighteen months ago. What we have appears to be a lot of noise and even that is too little and so very, very late.

K Michael ODonovan on June 26, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Cheer up! If Issa had jumped into this without having his ducks in a row, it wouldn’t have gotten to this point at all.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Obama don’t want Holder punished with this tar baby . . .

BigAlSouth on June 26, 2012 at 10:02 AM

He’s going to whatever he wants and if you don’t like it you’re a racist. That’s where we are right now in the decline of America.

Wagthatdog on June 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM

All right! Pass the popcorn!

GoodAg77 on June 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Cheer up! If Issa had jumped into this without having his ducks in a row, it wouldn’t have gotten to this point at all.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 10:02 AM | Delete

+1000

Bitter Clinger on June 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Good show. Maybe the GOP is parlaying their long history of being patsies/pansies into a perfectly timed rope-a-dope. I’m on the edge of my seat now.

ElectricPhase on June 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Ed, have you ever known Obama to pullback from throwing a person under the bus? His own pastor found himself under the bus. Heck, he even tossed his own grandmother under the bus with the “typical white woman” comment. Thus, if Obama is unwilling to toss anyone under the bus it’s because there isn’t anyone he’s willing to toss under the bus (read: himself).

Weight of Glory on June 26, 2012 at 9:42 AM

I’m starting to think holder has something on the bark-a-bama that’s saved him from the tread marks suffered by so many others. With it getting this hot in the kitchen, I can’t believe they’ve not cut holder loose already.

Lost in Jersey on June 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Chucky Todd is lecturing Gallup about weighting polls—pure gold.

Rovin on June 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM

..link?

The War Planner on June 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Sorry WP, it was live on MSDNC, (Chucky’s program)

Rovin on June 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM

trubble on June 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Flora Duh posted the time line on all that. Maybe she can find it and do it again.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 10:05 AM

What gets me..
Is ccr6 was a regular here…she saw all the evidence on F&F and still she turned a blind eye.

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I generally post about things I know about. If I don’t know about it, I won’t claim to or act as if I do.

crr6 on February 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 10:05 AM

The arrogance of this administration astounds.

MadisonConservative on June 26, 2012 at 9:50 AM

I’ve mellowed in my old age. But that arrogance still makes my blood boil.

What gets me..
Is ccr6 was a regular here…she saw all the evidence on F&F and still she turned a blind eye.

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Yes, stupidity plays a role for some. I can live with that. But those willing to cast all reason aside, well, that’s a different story.

JusDreamin on June 26, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Did anyone else catch Stephen Hayes on the nightly Fox panel saying that Carney’s assertion that Holder ended F&F would mean that Holder ended the program several months before he claimed to have been aware of it in his Testimony? I haven’t seen it followed up anywhere and I’m wondering if Hayes got it wrong or if there’s just so much chum in the water that it slipped by?

trubble on June 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Actually Katie Pavlich made that point first. Holder testified that he stopped the operation upon learning that Agent Terry was killed with Fast and Furious guns. He also testified in May, 2011 that he had just learned about Fast and Furious a few weeks prior.

Brian Terry was murdered December 14, 2010.

Flora Duh on June 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Flora Duh posted the time line on all that. Maybe she can find it and do it again.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 10:05 AM | Delete | Delete and Ban

thanks, I’ll look around when I get a chance and find it.

trubble on June 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Issa needs to go VERY public with this letter, and ask Obama through the media what Obama himself was hiding through executive privilege. Obviously Obama won’t tell him, but the perception of guilt could lose Obama a few percent in the election, enough to get Romney elected.

Steve Z on June 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM

I’m starting to think holder has something on the bark-a-bama that’s saved him from the tread marks suffered by so many others. With it getting this hot in the kitchen, I can’t believe they’ve not cut holder loose already.

Lost in Jersey on June 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Well, just remember who Holder used to work for.

The Clintons.

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM

He’s going to whatever he wants and if you don’t like it you’re a racist. That’s where we are right now in the decline of America.

Wagthatdog on June 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM

I don’t care about that anymore. Be called a racist/watch your country go down the tubes. No problem making that choice, at least for me.

Night Owl on June 26, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Flora Duh on June 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Thanks. I love the smell of perjury in the morning…

If he’s smart, Holder will get Obama to pardon him on the way out…

trubble on June 26, 2012 at 10:09 AM

What did the kook-fringe say about Bush? “frog march” these crooks and liars!

Jaibones on June 26, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Obama will cooperate fully- “after the election-when I have more flexibility.”

3dpuzzman on June 26, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Obama to Issa: “Bu-bu-but I’m a constitutional scholar!”

tpitman on June 26, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Did anyone else catch Stephen Hayes on the nightly Fox panel saying that Carney’s assertion that Holder ended F&F would mean that Holder ended the program several months before he claimed to have been aware of it in his Testimony? I haven’t seen it followed up anywhere and I’m wondering if Hayes got it wrong or if there’s just so much chum in the water that it slipped by?

trubble on June 26, 2012 at 10:00 AM

That’s been the standard leftie argument since this all blew up with the Executive Privilege claim. They’re all saying Holder ended that horrible Bush program in 2010.

Then when they’re reminded that Holder testified to Congress that he didn’t know about it until a few weeks prior in 2011, their eyes get glassy and they just sort of stare off into space and then say something like, “why aren’t we investigating Iran Contra, it was the same thing”.

ButterflyDragon on June 26, 2012 at 10:14 AM

What happens if the House votes to hold Holder in contempt? Is he relieved of his duties and an Asst AG steps in?

whope on June 26, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Electrongod
Before I finally got in here I would go to Digg and fight with those idiots, they let anyone in there. It was 2 to 1 libs, it was frustrating but fun to anger stupid ppl. That started when the story first broke, they all told me it was BS ………

angrymike on June 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM

If he’s smart, Holder will get Obama to pardon him on the way out…

trubble on June 26, 2012 at 10:09 AM

That only comes with a price. I wonder who our stuttering crook’s new bagboy will be for bribes collections?

MNHawk on June 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Issa took some heat for the slow but painstaking process of building his case, but it turns out he wanted all his ducks lined up before he moved forward.

rob verdi on June 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Let’s hope it’s a long line of Duckula’s with sharp fangs, out for blood.

SKYFOX on June 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM

I generally post about things I know about. If I don’t know about it, I won’t claim to or act as if I do.

crr6 on February 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 10:05 AM

You must have had to dig deep for that one. Nice.

Lost in Jersey on June 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM

It’s a trap!

Morons in late October: Why are the Republicans wasting all this time trying to get Obama? At least he’s trying to create jobs and get us out of the hole we’re in.

Scandals like this only bring down Republicans.

rhombus on June 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Please forgive the length :)

Everyone keeps referencing Ted Olson’s 1984 memo on Executive Privilege, but after reading there are some stark differences that should be pointed out.

Here is the actual memo: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/373155-8-op-o-l-c-101-1984.html#document/p1

Here is the part the left keeps quoting:

“As a matter of statutory construction and separation of powers analysis, a United States Attourney is not required to refer a congressional contempt citation to a grand jury or otherwise prosecute an ExecutiveBrance official who carries out the President’s instruction to invoke the President’s claim of executive privilege before a committee of Congress.”

Sounds pretty cut and dry…except…on page 2:

“Before setting out a more detailed explanation of our analysis and conclusions, we offer the caveat that our conclusions are limited to the unique circumstances that gave rise to these questions in late 1982 and early 1983. *103 Constituional cnflicts within the federal government must be resolved carefully, based upon the facts of each specific case.”

Then on page 4 it talks about the number of documents provided:

“The EPA Administrator responded to the Public Works Subcommittee’s subpoena by offering to provide the public Works Subcommittee with access to an estimated 787,000 pages of documents within the scope of the subpoena.”

If they were willing to release that many documents there must have been thousands, or millions that were privileged right? Wrong. From page 5:

“The President, based upon the unanimous recommendation of all Executive Branch officials involved in the process, ultimately determined to assert a claim of executive privilege with respect to 64 documents from open enforcement files that had been identified as sufficiently enforcement sensitive *107 as of the return date of the subpoena that their disclosure might adversley affect pending investigations and open enforcement proceedings.”

Onus on June 26, 2012 at 10:21 AM

“…Either you or your most senior advisors were involved in managing Operation Fast & Furious and the fallout from it….or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified…”

Big surprsie that Issa already holds Obama in contempt, but now he sends hate mail?
I would expect and understand someone being that strident on a message board – but in a letter from a congressman to a president?
He just sounds pissy. Again.
I’m betting he wrote that one all by himself, with little if any help from staff.

verbaluce on June 26, 2012 at 10:21 AM

I generally post about things I know about. If I don’t know about it, I won’t claim to or act as if I do.

crr6 on February 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 26, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Seriously. NEVER old.

Washington Nearsider on June 26, 2012 at 10:22 AM

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