Quotes of the day

posted at 10:42 pm on June 25, 2012 by Allahpundit

First, a presidential election is decided by five people, who don’t even try to explain their choice in normal legal terms.

Then the beneficiary of that decision appoints the next two members of the court, who present themselves for consideration as restrained, humble figures who care only about law rather than ideology…

And, when a major piece of legislation gets through, the party’s majority on the Supreme Court prepares to negate it — even though the details of the plan were originally Republican proposals and even though the party’s presidential nominee endorsed these concepts only a few years ago…

How would you characterize a legal system that knowledgeable observers assume will not follow the law and instead will advance a particular party-faction agenda? That’s how we used to talk about the Chinese courts when I was living there. Now it’s how law professors are describing the Supreme Court of the John Roberts era.

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The Supreme Court has not yet ruled against the individual mandate, and who knows whether it will. Yet this has not stopped commentators from making sweeping charges about the Court. Many commentators, for instance, are charging that the Roberts Court is “activist.” For some, “activist” is just a label for judges that make decisions they don’t like; one man’s “activist” is another’s constitutional paladin. For others, however, the label “activist” is used to describe a court that is particularly “active” in overturning precedent and invalidating laws, and thereby altering the course of the law. So, for instance, James Fallows claims the Court, and Justices Roberts and Alito in particular, “actively second-guess and re-do existing law” and Jeffrey Toobin charged “the current Court has matched contempt for Congress with a disdain for many of the Court’s own precedents.”

The problem with these characterizations of the court is that if by “judicial activism” one means a willingness to overturn precedents and invalidate federal laws, the Roberts Court is the least activist court of the post-war period. As a recent NYT analysis showed, thus far the Roberts Court has overturned prior precedents and invalidates federal at a significantly lower rate than its predecessors. Further, many of the Court’s most “activist” decisions, so-defined, have moved the law in a more liberal direction (see, e.g., Boumediene, Kennedy v.Louisiana) or were broadly supported First Amendment decisions (e.g. Stevens).

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Clinton predicted that if the law is declared unconstitutional, Republicans will suffer a backlash when millions of Americans calculate what they have lost. Before the Affordable Care Act passed, two thirds of all the applications for bankruptcy were because of health-care emergencies, a consequence likely to return if health care inflation again rises precipitously.

Clinton drew laughter with anecdotes about individual mandates that go back to the founding of the nation. In 1797, when John Adams was president, he signed a bill that required all seamen to be covered by hospitalization insurance through their employer…

Before Mitt Romney as governor signed the individual mandate, Massachusetts had the highest health-care costs in America. Today, that state is seventh, because inflation in health-care costs in that state have been much lower than in the country as a whole. Why? The mandate prevents insurance companies from shifting their promotional costs to consumers, Clinton said.

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If Democrats, in a fit of pique, delegitimize the court over an ObamaCare defeat, conflicts between future presidents and the court are likely to turn out differently. At the very least, future Supreme Courts will be less willing to confront a president head-on, while future presidents will be more willing to ignore or evade high court decisions they don’t like.

Yet Supreme Court decisions are the source of much of the liberal legal infrastructure for today’s society. So a weakened court might well mean major losses for liberalism in areas like abortion, birth control, criminal procedure and more.

And if, as seems increasingly possible, the next president is a Republican with a Republican Congress, the new administration will be in a stronger position to make sweeping changes without worrying so much about the courts. Might we revisit efforts to ban partial-birth abortion? Limit the rights of criminal defendants? Pass a new, tougher Patriot Act?

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In a 2008 profile of Axelrod in the New Republic, Jason Zengerle quoted Ken Snyder, a Democratic consultant and Axelrod protege, on his mentor’s approach. “David felt there almost had to be a permission structure set up for certain white voters to consider a black candidate.” The “permission structure” relied heavily on “third-party authentication“ — endorsements from respected figures or institutions that the targeted voters admired…

What the conservative movement has done — with a big assist from Verrilli — is build a permission structure that would permit the Republican appointees to the Supreme Court to rule against the individual mandate. They had taken a legal campaign initially dismissed as a bitter and quixotic effort based on a radical and discredited reading of the commerce clause and given it sufficient third-party authentication to succeed. If the Supreme Court rules against the mandate, it will no longer be out on a ledge. It will be in lock step with the entire Republican Party, many polls, a number of judges, the impression the public has gotten from the media coverage and the outcome of the oral arguments.

And that’s what has changed from two years ago. When this campaign began, it was unthinkable that the Supreme Court would indulge it, even if some on the Supreme Court were sympathetic to its aims. “There is a less than 1 percent chance that the courts will invalidate the individual mandate,” Kerr said at the time. Today, it’s entirely thinkable that the Supreme Court will indulge it, and that means that the members of the Supreme Court, who care deeply about protecting their institution’s legitimacy, are free to rule in whichever direction they want. We’ll find out what direction that is on Thursday.

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The post-New Deal consensus about the scope of federal power has broken down amid national, and global, concern over the welfare state’s cost and intrusiveness — a sea change of which the tea party is but one manifestation. Obamacare itself, which has consistently polled badly, fueled that movement.

Much has been made of the fact that Republicans had no objection, constitutional or otherwise, when the individual mandate first surfaced. But that was two decades ago. In today’s changed intellectual, fiscal and political environment, seemingly lapidary constitutional phrases such as “commerce . . . among the several states” can acquire fresh meaning, as they did for the New Deal and at other points in the past.

The brilliance of Obamacare’s opponents lies in spotting that historical opportunity and making the most of it. The legal professoriate, by contrast, reminds me of how William F. Buckley described his arch-conservative magazine in the 1950s: “It stands athwart history, yelling Stop.”

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BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM

She’s 34. It took a couple of months to get on Medicaid.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:10 AM

The hotline phone number is 1-855-353-1010. The email is: SB1070(at)usdoj.gov.

Everybody call this number and email that address as much as humanly possible. Let’s fill their voice mail box and email inbox. Let’s show them what happens when they advertise for Americans to help them subvert upheld law.

MadisonConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I just called the above number.

Mail box full!

Surprise!

JPeterman on June 26, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I am very sorry to hear that. They won’t practice out of the clinic because of the new healthcare law?

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Not directly..
They won’t volunteer their time to practice out of their area because of O’Care.
Something about regional practice and compensation…

We in Idaho do not have specialists in the area that my daughter needs..

So now we travel 300 miles to Salt Lake…
All is not lost…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM

I’m glad for that, but a 600 mile roundtrip cannot be easy.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Clinton and seamen jokes. Most presidential.

GaltBlvnAtty on June 26, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Resist We Much, if any of the rightists around here ever ask you not to post this or that, from your site or not, I’ll challenge them to a duel.

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Just be sure to have you cravat properly tied first before engaging in such sport.

PercyB on June 26, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Should’ve looked for a “Jackie Robinson” instead of going with a “Steve Urkel”…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Something, umm, shall we say a little more, ummm, current maybe?

SWalker on June 26, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Sure. I like Van Halen.

I was playing music from 1940 – 1945. I was just … in the mood.

‘nite all.

jaime on June 26, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Projecting for Obama Hussein Odinga ?

burrata on June 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

What? No.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:44 PM

…BedBug came over a while ago…FROM THE DARK SIDE…but! …has been gone for a period of time though…where ya been BedBug?…they didn’t get to you again….did they?
Welcome back!…I think.

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 12:01 AM

I would consider myself a moderate, but I still have a softsPotfor healthcare.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:14 AM

I just called the above number.

Mail box full!

Surprise!

JPeterman on June 26, 2012 at 12:10 AM

LMFAO! That is so epic. They really think they can get away with this s**t? Probably the only reason in the world that I could think of that would be good about another Obama term is that we’d get to see more of these moronic and petty schemes undermined by the freedom of technology.

MadisonConservative on June 26, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Before the Affordable Care Act passed, two thirds of all the applications for bankruptcy were because of health-care emergencies

In addition to being a lie, Progs also are deluded in thinking that medical bankruptcies do not exist in countries with universal healthcare. In the UK, we have “universal healthcare,” but:

1. “Universal healthcare” really means “universal insurance,” which does not mean “universal healthcare.”

2. The NHS and NICE refuse all sorts of care and treatments that Americans would consider basic…like cortisone injections. Hip and knee replacements have, for the most part, become “elective” surgeries. Up until a couple of years ago, if you had macular degeneration, you had to lose the sight in one eye before you would be eligible for treatment to save the sight in the other. Last year, a 22 year-old woman, who was otherwise healthy, awoke one morning with a paralysed stomach. She needed a pacemaker. The NHS said, “No dice!” The surgery would have cost about $25-30,000. All sorts of cancer drugs are refused. Cataract surgery is considered “elective.”

The point is that, if you want these things, you have to pay for them yourself. Many people in the UK have to mortgage their homes or run up credit card bills to pay for treatment that insurance companies in America pay for everyday without batting an eye AND THEY HAVE “UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.” By the way, they also have “universal dental care.” Have you ever heard people oohing and aahing about the beautiful teeth that most Brits have?

3. Earlier this year, German private hospitals offered to take 1 million patients off of the waiting lists and treat them in Germany because they were on the lists for over a year. Studies have shown that about 25% of cancer and cardiac patients die before they are ever treated because they are on the waiting lists for so long.

4. The UK, which I remind you again has UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE has the worst cancer and cardiac survival rates in the OECD.

So, if you think people don’t go bankrupt because of medical reasons in countries with single-payer, you’re kidding yourself. If you want to live, sometimes, you have no other choice.

“a consequence likely to return if health care inflation again rises precipitously.”

Medical inflation, as with higher education inflation, is a direct result of government interference in the market and Obamacare does nothing to contain costs, as the administration has finally admitted.

Resist We Much on June 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

bedbug…do you just make up things to say? Is that what passes for leftists ‘feelings’?

there’s no ‘gap’ in medicare…it is all transitioned very nicely when you turn 65

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM

She’s 34. It took a couple of months to get on Medicaid.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:10 AM

If she was60, she wouldn’t get Medicaid.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

bedbug…do you just make up things to say? Is that what passes for leftists ‘feelings’?

there’s no ‘gap’ in medicare…it is all transitioned very nicely when you turn 65

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

MediCAID.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:17 AM

You’re kicking people while they are down.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

What, you mean like granting amnesty and work visas to a few million illegal immigrants so your 26 year olds who’ve had to move back into their parents can continue to be unemployed?

Midas on June 26, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I’m glad your daughter is getting care. Lord help us all if this “law” stands.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:19 AM

LMFAO! That is so epic. They really think they can get away with this s**t? Probably the only reason in the world that I could think of that would be good about another Obama term is that we’d get to see more of these moronic and petty schemes undermined by the freedom of technology.

MadisonConservative on June 26, 2012 at 12:14 AM

I can’t get my g-mail to send to that address. Do you have a proper one? What am I doing wrong?

JPeterman on June 26, 2012 at 12:20 AM

You’re kicking people while they are down.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

What, you mean like granting amnesty and work visas to a few million illegal immigrants so your 26 year olds who’ve had to move back into their parents can continue to be unemployed?

Midas on June 26, 2012 at 12:18 AM

I don’t agree on how that was done, but in 2007, John McCain wanted to give everyone amnesty.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:20 AM

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM
She’s 34. It took a couple of months to get on Medicaid.
txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:10 AM

If she was60, she wouldn’t get Medicaid.
BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

If Obamacare was in full force she’d be dead.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Resist We Much, if any of the rightists around here ever ask you not to post this or that, from your site or not, I’ll challenge them to a duel.

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2012 at 12:02 AM

I heart you. One did the other day. As I told her, I have no advertising on my site and make not a cent from it. It is solely my contribution to the cause. I write a lot of it, but also post articles that I find informative or interesting. I consider it a place where people can go to find things easily.

Just the other day, I got an email from a company that was interested in advertising on my blog and I turned them down. Apart from my desire to keep it an educational endeavour, it also violates my Galt oath that I took when Obama became POTUS.

Now, would you don Rhett Butler clothing? That would be something to see!

Resist We Much on June 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM

JPeterman on June 26, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Make sure you:

1. Replace the (at) with @
2. Delete the period after gov

MadisonConservative on June 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Did you know that there is a gap between when you can have medicaid and obviously, when you get Medicare at age 65, If a woman, for example, gets breast cancer, she would have to file for disability through SS to get Medicaid. It takes an average of three years to get declared disabled by the SS with an attorney.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM

perhaps you meant to say something else bedbug…but you said ‘when you get Medicare at 65′

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:23 AM

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM
She’s 34. It took a couple of months to get on Medicaid.
txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:10 AM

If she was60, she wouldn’t get Medicaid.
BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

If Obamacare was in full force she’d be dead.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Please explain why.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:24 AM

You’re kicking people while they are down.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

What, you mean like granting amnesty and work visas to a few million illegal immigrants so your 26 year olds who’ve had to move back into their parents can continue to be unemployed?

Midas on June 26, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Shhhh, you’ll confuse s/he/it with facts…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Resist We Much on June 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

And then their is how the UK system deals with ALZ patients…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Wickard = Bad Law.

Please. Pretty please.

JohnGalt23 on June 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Ditto..

Though the party is different..

Seller vs. buyer…

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Not really. In Wickard, there was neither seller nor buyer. The man was prosecuted for raising wheat. To feed his own chickens. On his own farm. Yet the Supreme Court ruled that because he was raising the wheat, he was depriving a farmer, somewhere, who might have been in a different state from being able to sell his wheat. Thus he was guilty of breaking a law that was valid because he was affecting interstate commerce.

One of the worst Supreme Court decisions of all time. If this court overturns the mandate and spanks congress by limiting the commerce clause to its original intent, that will go some ways towards rectifying that horrid Wickard decision.

AZfederalist on June 26, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Jun 25, 6:30 PM EDT

Federal hotline set up on Arizona immigration

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department has set up a hotline for the public to report potential civil rights concerns regarding the Arizona law that requires police to check the immigration status of those they stop for other reasons.

The hotline phone number is 1-855-353-1010. The email is: SB1070(at)usdoj.gov.

Everybody call this number and email that address as much as humanly possible. Let’s fill their voice mail box and email inbox. Let’s show them what happens when they advertise for Americans to help them subvert upheld law.

MadisonConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

OK, I emailed the following. If I get a visit from the SS, if they are not too busy seeing hookers, I will tell them I got the idea from you.

Dear sir/madam,

Could you please tell me when President Obama is planing to go to congress to ask for an official declaration of war on Arizona? I know he may consider this just a legal technicality, but I feel he should cross all the T’s and dot all the I’s anyway.

VorDaj on June 26, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Make sure you:

1. Replace the (at) with @
2. Delete the period after gov

MadisonConservative on June 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Got it. It was the period at the end of gov that was screwing it up.

If I disappear, please be advised that King Obama has stripped my citizenship and deported me back to Slovakia for the crime of spamming!

JPeterman on June 26, 2012 at 12:26 AM

What, you mean like granting amnesty and work visas to a few million illegal immigrants so your 26 year olds who’ve had to move back into their parents can continue to be unemployed?

Midas on June 26, 2012 at 12:18 AM

and like running guns for drug cartels so that they can kill even more Americans once the law and order is totally broken down by Holder’s people

burrata on June 26, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Did you know that there is a gap between when you can have medicaid and obviously, when you get Medicare at age 65, If a woman, for example, gets breast cancer, she would have to file for disability through SS to get Medicaid. It takes an average of three years to get declared disabled by the SS with an attorney.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM

perhaps you meant to say something else bedbug…but you said ‘when you get Medicare at 65′

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Yes, that is correct, but I was talking about medicaid and the fact that after a certain age, you cannot get coverage under medicaid, unless you file SSI, which has to be approved.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:26 AM

There was allot more going on than healthcare, but you are correct,it melted the democrats.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM

So, in other words, we really shouldn’t pay a lot of attention to what Bill Clinton is predicting, right?

After all, just last week, Democrats were basically calling him, Allah forbid, “impotent” and senile.

Resist We Much on June 26, 2012 at 12:28 AM

MLK cries in his grave. Minorities are the biggest fools for accepting such low expectations of their ‘man’.

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

MLK cries not, he was a socialist and racist, too, just like his followers today. Yes, he was fabulous showman, capable of unmatched rhetoric and eloquence, but he would not hesitate in a moment to support the ultimate racist President, Obama.

To King, it was never about the content of one’s character, but all about the color of the skin, despite his words. He was nothing more than Jeremiah Wright in sheep’s clothing, and with a much smoother, calculating tongue. He hated this country as much if not more than Obama and Wright.

I am so tired of people lionizing this lying, womanizing fraud, this Martin Luther King, particularly by so-called conservatives, so they can appear reasonable.

TXUS on June 26, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Pretty bad with Jimmah Carter is calling the obamanation lawless and a human rights violator…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Democrats really talk out of both sides of their mouths. The hypocrisy is thick. Why did it take me so long to see?

BedBug on May 23, 2012 at 10:52 PM

…OMG!…I gotta take a break from this place…I’m thinking BedBug has been gone for 4 months…and it’s only been four weeks!

Quotes of the day

posted at 10:39 pm on May 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

…seemed to have been welcomed by many of you a month ago…so wait and see…k?

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM

I’m glad your daughter is getting care. Lord help us all if this “law” stands.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Nerofibromas is mostly an adolescent deformity..

She is 20…We see that the scoliosis and nerve tumors have diminished..

Crossing fingers…

I am not wanting to make this paramount

If you meet my Daughter….you wouldn’t know she had nerve tumors..

Love her….
Trooper…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:32 AM

And then their is how the UK system deals with ALZ patients…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Not just ALZ patients. Let’s just put it this way:

The Liverpool Care Pathway is not exactly the Stairway to Heaven. A doctor can decide whether a patient lives or dies, i.e., Terry Schiavo’d. Some of the less fortunate “terminal” victims were found (during post-mortems) to have merely been suffering from broken legs, gastritis, and skin infections. The patients were not consulted. The families were not consulted. The doctor decided that it was time to ship ‘em out.

Oh, and because the NHS is the government, it has immunity. As I have told the gentlemen on here before, a doctor can accidentally cut off 4 of their 5 extremities and they won’t be able to sue, but the NHS or their local council might deign to sent them to Amsterdam every couple of months for a visit with a prostitute and a lap dance….of course, how can you have a lap dance when you don’t have any legs?

Resist We Much on June 26, 2012 at 12:35 AM

I don’t agree on how that was done, but in 2007, John McCain wanted to give everyone amnesty.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:20 AM

So Hussein fatwad amnesty for illegals because McCain once favored it ?
So why doesn’t Hussein and his boogers in the media and Congress just say so ?
Why do they have to defend him by repeating his crap about
” fairness” and ” right thing to do for AMERICAN people”.

burrata on June 26, 2012 at 12:36 AM

okay bedbug…i have no idea what you are talking about.

people on ssdi can qualify for medicaid.
seniors can qualify for medicaid.
people receiving medicare can quality for medicaid

as i recall the only time you need a lawyer for ssdi is if you’ve been turned down in the first instance

can you provide a link to what you are talking about?

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Democrats really talk out of both sides of their mouths. The hypocrisy is thick. Why did it take me so long to see?

BedBug on May 23, 2012 at 10:52 PM

…OMG!…I gotta take a break from this place…I’m thinking BedBug has been gone for 4 months…and it’s only been four weeks!

Quotes of the day

posted at 10:39 pm on May 23, 2012 by Allahpundit

…seemed to have been welcomed by many of you a month ago…so wait and see…k?

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Healthcare is important.
I’m not flaming or attacking. I’m discussing.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:37 AM

I’m glad your daughter is getting care. Lord help us all if this “law” stands.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Thanks..
She has matured…
Neurofibromis 1 is mostly adolescent…
For most..
Scolistice…not bad enough for a brace..
The skin spots in mostly remote in hidden locations…
She has no problems with them..

She’s a trooper…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Wickard. Raich is even worse. And that’s recent. Scalia might get it now, but… what is the record of walking stuff back? I’m asking seriously. I can’t find much evidence.

When growing my own dope affects the market… it’s a long walk uphill. As far as the Commerce claus is concerned.

wolly4321 on June 26, 2012 at 12:39 AM

If she was60, she wouldn’t get Medicaid.
BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

If Obamacare was in full force she’d be dead.
txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Please explain why.
BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:24 AM

You seriously think that a 34 yr old woman diagnosed with Stage 4 cervical cancer is going to be given treatment under Obamacare? No doctor is allowed to do charity work under Obamacare. No friend is allowed to fundraise to pay for treatment. She would be denied treatment. On top of that, her husband would still have to pay the penalty for not having insurance.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:40 AM

okay bedbug…i have no idea what you are talking about.

people on ssdi can qualify for medicaid.
seniors can qualify for medicaid.
people receiving medicare can quality for medicaid

as i recall the only time you need a lawyer for ssdi is if you’ve been turned down in the first instance

can you provide a link to what you are talking about?

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:36 AM

I know it depends on the state, but wheN I tried to get a friend Medicaid, she was 61, she had to apPly for SSI to qualify for Medicaid.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:42 AM

TXUS on June 26, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

SWalker on June 26, 2012 at 12:05 AM

What gets me is that Fallows is complaining about the Conservatives on the Supreme Court mounting a coup while Obama is acting completely outside the bounds of the law to the point where he is ASSASSINATING AMERICAN CITIZENS and being called worst than Nixon by some bloody Progressives. He doesn’t even see the irony. These damn Obama Firsters get on my nerves.

Resist We Much on June 26, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:32 AM

…dude!…and that’s why I love you! …(and no…not teh gey way!)…<-…….and no I’m not dispersing judgements in regards to that

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM

If she was60, she wouldn’t get Medicaid.
BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

If Obamacare was in full force she’d be dead.
txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Please explain why.
BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:24 AM

You seriously think that a 34 yr old woman diagnosed with Stage 4 cervical cancer is going to be given treatment under Obamacare? No doctor is allowed to do charity work under Obamacare. No friend is allowed to fundraise to pay for treatment. She would be denied treatment. On top of that, her husband would still have to pay the penalty for not having insurance.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:40 AM

I don’t understand why she wouldn’t get care? Now, an insurance company might deny coverage.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:44 AM

She’s a trooper…
Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:39 AM

I know what you mean. I have a kiddo with learning disabilities. Watching them overcome is very inspiring.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:45 AM

To feed his own chickens. On his own farm. Yet the Supreme Court ruled that because he was raising the wheat, he was depriving a farmer, somewhere, who might have been in a different state from being able to sell his wheat. Thus he was guilty of breaking a law that was valid because he was affecting interstate commerce.

One of the worst Supreme Court decisions of all time.

AZfederalist on June 26, 2012 at 12:25 AM

I have two acres..
I may want to place solar panels on the back acre to generate power for my business…and my home…..

But doing that…I am officially off the grid..Idaho Power be Damned..
But Idaho power sells their power to Cali..Oregon and Washington..
I’m I hurting commerce because I used my property for my own use and not others?

I am a producer of power..
And the feds came after…
No where did the law say my neighbor had to purchase my solar cell produced electricity..

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Just for record, Raich grew dope. I don’t.

wolly4321 on June 26, 2012 at 12:46 AM

I don’t agree on how that was done, but in 2007, John McCain wanted to give everyone amnesty.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:20 AM

So Hussein fatwad amnesty for illegals because McCain once favored it ?
So why doesn’t Hussein and his boogers in the media and Congress just say so ?
Why do they have to defend him by repeating his crap about
” fairness” and ” right thing to do for AMERICAN people”.

burrata on June 26, 2012 at 12:36 AM

burrata, the media, Obama, they are wrong.
They are thwarting the law, the constitution.
Yes, at least John McCain did it through the congress, but he was wrong too.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Yep, give Obummer a 2nd term! Hail the new Perot!

Valkyriepundit on June 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

No, a poll mentioned in HA Headlines today indicated that 55% don’t think either Obama or Romney are going to fix Americas problems. The 55% should vote for Gary Johnson.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

If Gary Johnson pledges to “fix America’s problems” I don’t think he is really a Let-the-people-do-it Libertarian.

Or are you wishing we could replace a socialist dictator with a libertarian dictator? Gosh, what a fantasy!! How…ummm…would that work?

Kinda like gays reproducing; you’d need a third party to actually get anything done.

rwenger43 on June 26, 2012 at 12:48 AM

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Thanks..

I really didn’t want to mention family issues..

Bedbug pissed me off…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:48 AM

I know what you mean. I have a kiddo with learning disabilities. Watching them overcome is very inspiring.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Include you in my very last post…

THanks…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:49 AM

I don’t understand why she wouldn’t get care? Now, an insurance company might deny coverage.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Well, she would if she was a high ranking member of “the party”. Otherwise, one of the many myriad panels described in the 2000+ pages of obamacare would decide “the what” and “the who” gets treatment, if at all…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 12:50 AM

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Thanks..

I really didn’t want to mention family issues..

Bedbug pissed me off…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:48 AM

I did not mean to piss You off.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:51 AM

I know it depends on the state, but wheN I tried to get a friend Medicaid, she was 61, she had to apPly for SSI to qualify for Medicaid.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:42 AM

aha. you are making broad statements about the h/c system based on your own experience.

now, honestly i don’t think age has anything to do with it…that make no sense. Medicaid is strictly income (and maybe wealth).

now it may be true that her income/wealth was too high, so she had to go to ssdi which has less restrictions…and it took a lawyer to do the ssdi thing..well, because the ssa rejected her the first time…so you guys hired an ssdi lawyer

is that about right?

here’s my broad statement about the h/c system…Drs are very hard working smart people…and i would be in very bad shape without them.

okay?

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:52 AM

I don’t understand why she wouldn’t get care? Now, an insurance company might deny coverage.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Well, she would if she was a high ranking member of “the party”. Otherwise, one of the many myriad panels described in the 2000+ pages of obamacare would decide “the what” and “the who” gets treatment, if at all…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 12:50 AM

The death panels?

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:52 AM

I did not mean to piss You off.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:51 AM

I have to sign off for know..

But I as a conservative…

I will review you post..

Best that I can do for now..

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:54 AM

I know it depends on the state, but wheN I tried to get a friend Medicaid, she was 61, she had to apPly for SSI to qualify for Medicaid.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:42 AM

aha. you are making broad statements about the h/c system based on your own experience.

now, honestly i don’t think age has anything to do with it…that make no sense. Medicaid is strictly income (and maybe wealth).

now it may be true that her income/wealth was too high, so she had to go to ssdi which has less restrictions…and it took a lawyer to do the ssdi thing..well, because the ssa rejected her the first time…so you guys hired an ssdi lawyer

is that about right?

here’s my broad statement about the h/c system…Drs are very hard working smart people…and i would be in very bad shape without them.

okay?

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:52 AM

Doesn’t everyone deserve the care you and your friend got? I’m not just spouting propaganda, but I truly feel that everyone deserves care.
Maybe o’ Care as you call it is not the answer, but it needs reforming.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Now, would you don Rhett Butler clothing? That would be something to see!

Resist We Much on June 26, 2012 at 12:21 AM

I’d fight for you too, Resist but more like Tarzan.

arnold ziffel on June 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM

The death panels?

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:52 AM

two things. Do you know what Sarah Palin first said that turned into the death panel thing? Do you know what the context was?

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Good luck!..:)

Dire Straits on June 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Doesn’t everyone deserve the care you and your friend got? I’m not just spouting propaganda, but I truly feel that everyone deserves care.
Maybe o’ Care as you call it is not the answer, but it needs reforming.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:56 AM

I wish it never rained.

tom daschle concerned on June 26, 2012 at 1:00 AM

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:44 AM

After Obamacare passed, one of the 200 bureaucracies/panels it created decided women would not be allowed yearly pap smears/exams. The decision was purely a financial one, they said so. If the govt sees a $200 exam as too costly, the results of not finding cancers early are going to be too much to pay.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Doesn’t everyone deserve the care you and your friend got? I’m not just spouting propaganda, but I truly feel that everyone deserves care.
Maybe o’ Care as you call it is not the answer, but it needs reforming.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:56 AM

finally we get a decent comment. First, did your ssdi friend get decent care?

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Very glad to hear your friend is doing better OC. Continued prayers for improvement.

AZfederalist on June 26, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Google ‘ezekiel emmanuel’. He was an architect of Obamacare.

He is an anti-human elitist communist. In other words, he is an enemy of Americans, and his signature law, Obamacare, needs to be destroyed.

tom daschle concerned on June 26, 2012 at 1:02 AM

The death panels?

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:52 AM

two things. Do you know what Sarah Palin first said that turned into the death panel thing? Do you know what the context was?

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM

In a Facebook post, discussing the healthcare bill. That the elderly and possibly her son, wouldn’t get healthcare.
The uproar would be enormous. It will never come to panels. Didn’t they already address that?

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Good luck!..:)

Dire Straits on June 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM

I know..

Oops I was to sign off :)

I don’t like bringing my daughter’s situation into the argument..

Just that there are many that don’t see what O’Care did…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Very smart hard working people? Yep. Yes they are. I respect and appreciate them.

wolly4321 on June 26, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Doesn’t everyone deserve the care you and your friend got? I’m not just spouting propaganda, but I truly feel that everyone deserves care.
Maybe o’ Care as you call it is not the answer, but it needs reforming.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:56 AM

finally we get a decent comment. First, did your ssdi friend get decent care?

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 1:01 AM

She got coverage when O’Care allowed preexisting conditions.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Google ‘ezekiel emmanuel’. He was an architect of Obamacare.

He is an anti-human elitist communist. In other words, he is an enemy of Americans, and his signature law, Obamacare, needs to be destroyed.

tom daschle concerned on June 26, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Does he have a nice crease in his pants and a nice family? Because that is what counts.

arnold ziffel on June 26, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Doesn’t everyone deserve the care you and your friend got? I’m not just spouting propaganda, but I truly feel that everyone deserves care.
Maybe o’ Care as you call it is not the answer, but it needs reforming.
BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Everyone gets care now. What they don’t get is all the free care they desire. That goes for the insured and the uninsured.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 1:06 AM

I don’t like bringing my daughter’s situation into the argument..

Just that there are many that don’t see what O’Care did…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 1:03 AM

I understand fully!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 26, 2012 at 1:06 AM

I’d fight for you too, Resist but more like Tarzan.

arnold ziffel on June 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Me, Jane.

Since you guys liked what you called “the DOI 2.0,” I put it up, but I think the twist is pretty kewl…one of the best performances by Michael Jackson ever…

Mr Fallows, Take A Look At The Man In The Mirror

M2RB: Michael Jackson

G’nite, everyone, and sweet dreams. :-)

Resist We Much on June 26, 2012 at 1:07 AM

She got coverage when O’Care allowed preexisting conditions.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Is it January 2014 already?…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Good luck!..:)

Dire Straits on June 26, 2012 at 12:57 AM

I know..

Oops I was to sign off :)

I don’t like bringing my daughter’s situation into the argument..

Just that there are many that don’t see what O’Care did…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 1:03 AM

I do hope your situation changes for the better and for your daughters continued good health. I really didn’t mean to upset you, but I do believe everyone, citizens, deserve care.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Doesn’t everyone deserve the care you and your friend got? I’m not just spouting propaganda, but I truly feel that everyone deserves care.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Ah, so healthcare is a ‘right’, then? EVen if providing it to everyone impinges on the rights of others? See, the way i understand it is that my ‘rights’ don’t deprive you of yours, and vice versa. O’care does precisely that.

Midas on June 26, 2012 at 1:10 AM

bedbug…very good. She did not want to face a committee who decides on the fate of Trig.

the context was in the zeke emanuel ‘whole lives’ proposal to deal with scarce resources in h/c

now, trig would not be a good candidate zeke’s model…nor would your 61 year old friend

now, i thought you said that your friend got ssdi and medicare? So she wouldn’t need o.care…i’m confused

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 1:12 AM

sorry, i mean ssdi and medicaid

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Ah, so healthcare is a ‘right’, then?

FYI, BedBug, the Supreme Court ruled in Heckler v Ringer that you do not have a right to Medicare. If you do not have a right to Medicare, a programme into which you pay, you can bet you don’t have a right to healthcare. Here are some other “rights” you do not have, which may surprise you:

“Rights” You Do Not Have

M2RB: Chris Brown

Resist We Much on June 26, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Wished it never rained? I wish it would.

Hey bedbug, socialized medicine isn’t about medicine. It’s about tbe socializing. You think they really give a crap about you?

Or is it about power?

It’s nothing new. When your eyes see it, you’ll be shocked.

Don’t feel bad. Better late than never.

wolly4321 on June 26, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Is it January 2014 already?…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 1:09 AM

My bad. Here I was thinking we’re in 1984

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 1:18 AM

She has matured…
Neurofibromis 1 is mostly adolescent…
For most..
Scolistice…not bad enough for a brace..
The skin spots in mostly remote in hidden locations…
She has no problems with them..

She’s a trooper…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:39 AM

She sounds like a great kid!..My thoughts and prayers go to your family and daughter and her continued recovery!..:)

Dire Straits on June 26, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Doesn’t everyone deserve the care you and your friend got? I’m not just spouting propaganda, but I truly feel that everyone deserves care.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Ah, so healthcare is a ‘right’, then? EVen if providing it to everyone impinges on the rights of others? See, the way i understand it is that my ‘rights’ don’t deprive you of yours, and vice versa. O’care does precisely that.

Midas on June 26, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Some people have a hard time grasping the concept that their rights end where mine begin. For example, I have the right to keep the fruits of my labors. When you find it necessary to deprive me of my rights in order for you to exercise your rights, then there is something profoundly wrong.

Obamacare assumes that I do not have the right to the fruits of my labors because it is fundamentally based upon the Marxist concept “From each according their ability to each according to their needs”. This is a “The End Justifies the Means” proposition, and it is the most evil and disgusting philosophical ideology ever conceived.

SWalker on June 26, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Wickard = Bad Law.

Please. Pretty please.

JohnGalt23 on June 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Agreed. Wickard means the government can try and stop any of us from growing fruit, vegi’s and other items for personal consumption as it would interfere with commerce. No more chickens, rabbits, cows, goats, pigs etc. for meat, milk, cheese and eggs.

chemman on June 26, 2012 at 1:21 AM

A doctor’s labor is not my right.

tom daschle concerned on June 26, 2012 at 1:21 AM

FYI My mom works at a hospital. The doctors tell her that implementing the mandated electronic records is going to cost each doctor $200,000 (software, training, etc). Also, each hospital has its own system, or is working on implementing one, that the doctors have to learn. Some doctors are not renewing contracts because they have already learned one hospital’s system and it’s too difficult to learn another. Real life consequences like these are happening all over the country in every hospital.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Wished it never rained? I wish it would.

wolly4321 on June 26, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Isn’t it the start of monsoon season in Tucson.

RickB on June 26, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Way late so sorry, but WTF happened today with Arizona.? Just came home from short Vacay.Yes I understand that SCOTUS ruling was mixed, but it seemed they somewhat agreed with Arizona. What the he.. happened in regards to ICE ? ignoring Arizona doing what the SCOTUS says is legal? Is it possible Obama is that arrogant to believe he is above them? Never mind.. I answered that myself.. He does believe he is above everything…

sandee on June 26, 2012 at 1:24 AM

To feed his own chickens. On his own farm. Yet the Supreme Court ruled that because he was raising the wheat, he was depriving a farmer, somewhere, who might have been in a different state from being able to sell his wheat.

One of the worst Supreme Court decisions of all time.

AZfederalist on June 26, 2012 at 12:25 AM

I have two acres..
I may want to place solar panels on the back acre to generate power for my business…and my home…..

But doing that…I am officially off the grid..Idaho Power be Damned..
But Idaho power sells their power to Cali..Oregon and Washington..
I’m I hurting commerce because I used my property for my own use and not others?

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Mind blowing, isn’t it? True story, when we were growing up, my brother and I would play farm in the back yard. We “fenced off” our little fields, used toy tractors and shovels and rakes to plow our “fields”. We went to the grainery, got some wheat and millet seeds and planted our fields. When Dad found out we had wheat growing, he was worried that the USDA field officers would find out and fine him for raising unauthorized wheat. I was in like 5′th grade and pointed out that we were just playing, it was for our own use and it wasn’t like we were selling wheat from his allotment. That’s when he told me about Wickard and how some farmer had been prosecuted for raising wheat for his own chickens. In my naive little 11 year old mind, that made no sense and I told Dad that, saying, “that makes no sense, not in our country”. He just replied, that it makes no sense, but that’s the way things are.

AZfederalist on June 26, 2012 at 1:26 AM

He just replied, that it makes no sense, but that’s the way things are.

AZfederalist on June 26, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Wickard needs to be overturned, and it needs to be overturned bad. Justice Scalia just last week hinted something to that affect regarding Obamacare…

SWalker on June 26, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Good point!..I just hope we don’t have to do The Lord of the Flies thing..:)

Dire Straits on June 26, 2012 at 1:29 AM

BTW OBamacare made my family practitioner quit. And he had a grand practice.

He cleans teeth in his brother’s dental business now.

tom daschle concerned on June 26, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Isn’t it the start of monsoon season in Tucson.

RickB on June 26, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Yeah, but so far, at least where I live, this past week as my grandmother used to say, “We just got the smell of it”.

AZfederalist on June 26, 2012 at 1:33 AM

A tune for the late night peeps.

Also, keep an eye on the woot-off that just started at midnight.

tom daschle concerned on June 26, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Is it possible Obama is that arrogant to believe he is above them?

sandee on June 26, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Here is the top-line summary:

1) The Feds weren’t doing their job on illegals, so Arizona decided to reiterate what their job was.

2) The Feds got pissed off that Arizona was reminding them how lazy and incompetent they are, so they called Arizona racist.

3) The Supreme Court weighed in and reminded the Feds that it’s their job even though they are lazy and incompetent at it.

4) The Feds went nyah-nyah, bite it, Arizona! And they are now not doing their job. Again.

John the Libertarian on June 26, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:45 AM

I’m breaking he law all over the place. I didn’t think about the power production issue with my off grid life. Nice catch.

chemman on June 26, 2012 at 1:34 AM

I’m not just spouting propaganda, but I truly feel that everyone deserves care.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:56 AM

and everyone gets it in this country .
Ask all those illegals who cross into our country just to get WIC and pop a meal ticket kid with a birth certificate to be eligible for welfare and food stamps and everything else for rest of it’s life.
Ask those millions of foreigners who fly in to USA to stay in motels until the day the motel manager has to call 911 for delivery of a foreigner’s kid , and once they get a BC and SS#, the foreigner scoots without paying the bill.
Ask who pays for such people to get the care they are not entitled to but still receive in USA.
Ask why hospitals in small border towns are closing down even when the local populations are not using those hospitals for free .
Ask how much money counties and states are forced by law to spend on medical costs for illegals and their meal tickets anchor babies ?
Ask how much money our governments at various levels spend on healthcare for our own citizens as compared to that spend on illegals and foreigners ?
Ask those American citizens who are are given the finger by the government run medical system because they have a valid SS# and thus can be denied services by taxpayer funded hospitals, while illegals with fake/stole/forged/no documents get the best care taxpayers can fund, no questions asked.
Then and only then we can discuss who deserves what and who should pay for things parasites feel entitled to .
Until then , it’s just propaganda to say that everyone deserves everything and someone else should pay for it .

burrata on June 26, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Also, keep an eye on the woot-off that just started at midnight.

tom daschle concerned on June 26, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Ummm, whats a woot-off???

SWalker on June 26, 2012 at 1:35 AM

bedbug…very good. She did not want to face a committee who decides on the fate of Trig.

the context was in the zeke emanuel ‘whole lives’ proposal to deal with scarce resources in h/c

now, trig would not be a good candidate zeke’s model…nor would your 61 year old friend

now, i thought you said that your friend got ssdi and medicare? So she wouldn’t need o.care…i’m confused

r keller on June 26, 2012 at 1:12 AM

She looked into SSI and Medicaid, but she was able to get insurance.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 1:35 AM

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