Quotes of the day

posted at 10:42 pm on June 25, 2012 by Allahpundit

First, a presidential election is decided by five people, who don’t even try to explain their choice in normal legal terms.

Then the beneficiary of that decision appoints the next two members of the court, who present themselves for consideration as restrained, humble figures who care only about law rather than ideology…

And, when a major piece of legislation gets through, the party’s majority on the Supreme Court prepares to negate it — even though the details of the plan were originally Republican proposals and even though the party’s presidential nominee endorsed these concepts only a few years ago…

How would you characterize a legal system that knowledgeable observers assume will not follow the law and instead will advance a particular party-faction agenda? That’s how we used to talk about the Chinese courts when I was living there. Now it’s how law professors are describing the Supreme Court of the John Roberts era.

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The Supreme Court has not yet ruled against the individual mandate, and who knows whether it will. Yet this has not stopped commentators from making sweeping charges about the Court. Many commentators, for instance, are charging that the Roberts Court is “activist.” For some, “activist” is just a label for judges that make decisions they don’t like; one man’s “activist” is another’s constitutional paladin. For others, however, the label “activist” is used to describe a court that is particularly “active” in overturning precedent and invalidating laws, and thereby altering the course of the law. So, for instance, James Fallows claims the Court, and Justices Roberts and Alito in particular, “actively second-guess and re-do existing law” and Jeffrey Toobin charged “the current Court has matched contempt for Congress with a disdain for many of the Court’s own precedents.”

The problem with these characterizations of the court is that if by “judicial activism” one means a willingness to overturn precedents and invalidate federal laws, the Roberts Court is the least activist court of the post-war period. As a recent NYT analysis showed, thus far the Roberts Court has overturned prior precedents and invalidates federal at a significantly lower rate than its predecessors. Further, many of the Court’s most “activist” decisions, so-defined, have moved the law in a more liberal direction (see, e.g., Boumediene, Kennedy v.Louisiana) or were broadly supported First Amendment decisions (e.g. Stevens).

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Clinton predicted that if the law is declared unconstitutional, Republicans will suffer a backlash when millions of Americans calculate what they have lost. Before the Affordable Care Act passed, two thirds of all the applications for bankruptcy were because of health-care emergencies, a consequence likely to return if health care inflation again rises precipitously.

Clinton drew laughter with anecdotes about individual mandates that go back to the founding of the nation. In 1797, when John Adams was president, he signed a bill that required all seamen to be covered by hospitalization insurance through their employer…

Before Mitt Romney as governor signed the individual mandate, Massachusetts had the highest health-care costs in America. Today, that state is seventh, because inflation in health-care costs in that state have been much lower than in the country as a whole. Why? The mandate prevents insurance companies from shifting their promotional costs to consumers, Clinton said.

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If Democrats, in a fit of pique, delegitimize the court over an ObamaCare defeat, conflicts between future presidents and the court are likely to turn out differently. At the very least, future Supreme Courts will be less willing to confront a president head-on, while future presidents will be more willing to ignore or evade high court decisions they don’t like.

Yet Supreme Court decisions are the source of much of the liberal legal infrastructure for today’s society. So a weakened court might well mean major losses for liberalism in areas like abortion, birth control, criminal procedure and more.

And if, as seems increasingly possible, the next president is a Republican with a Republican Congress, the new administration will be in a stronger position to make sweeping changes without worrying so much about the courts. Might we revisit efforts to ban partial-birth abortion? Limit the rights of criminal defendants? Pass a new, tougher Patriot Act?

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In a 2008 profile of Axelrod in the New Republic, Jason Zengerle quoted Ken Snyder, a Democratic consultant and Axelrod protege, on his mentor’s approach. “David felt there almost had to be a permission structure set up for certain white voters to consider a black candidate.” The “permission structure” relied heavily on “third-party authentication“ — endorsements from respected figures or institutions that the targeted voters admired…

What the conservative movement has done — with a big assist from Verrilli — is build a permission structure that would permit the Republican appointees to the Supreme Court to rule against the individual mandate. They had taken a legal campaign initially dismissed as a bitter and quixotic effort based on a radical and discredited reading of the commerce clause and given it sufficient third-party authentication to succeed. If the Supreme Court rules against the mandate, it will no longer be out on a ledge. It will be in lock step with the entire Republican Party, many polls, a number of judges, the impression the public has gotten from the media coverage and the outcome of the oral arguments.

And that’s what has changed from two years ago. When this campaign began, it was unthinkable that the Supreme Court would indulge it, even if some on the Supreme Court were sympathetic to its aims. “There is a less than 1 percent chance that the courts will invalidate the individual mandate,” Kerr said at the time. Today, it’s entirely thinkable that the Supreme Court will indulge it, and that means that the members of the Supreme Court, who care deeply about protecting their institution’s legitimacy, are free to rule in whichever direction they want. We’ll find out what direction that is on Thursday.

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The post-New Deal consensus about the scope of federal power has broken down amid national, and global, concern over the welfare state’s cost and intrusiveness — a sea change of which the tea party is but one manifestation. Obamacare itself, which has consistently polled badly, fueled that movement.

Much has been made of the fact that Republicans had no objection, constitutional or otherwise, when the individual mandate first surfaced. But that was two decades ago. In today’s changed intellectual, fiscal and political environment, seemingly lapidary constitutional phrases such as “commerce . . . among the several states” can acquire fresh meaning, as they did for the New Deal and at other points in the past.

The brilliance of Obamacare’s opponents lies in spotting that historical opportunity and making the most of it. The legal professoriate, by contrast, reminds me of how William F. Buckley described his arch-conservative magazine in the 1950s: “It stands athwart history, yelling Stop.”

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…but at least in supporting Johnson you have chosen someone who isn’t bat$hit insane. I applaud this decision of yours.

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM

If anything it is the Keynesians that are insane, and of the three candidates running for President, Gary Johnson is the only one that isn’t Keynesian.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM

EG coffe in the am…the beer to celebrate or wallow in the pm

cmsinaz on June 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM

I just think they know the reaction on the left will be much more unhinged if they lose than the reaction on the right.

That’s why they are waiting till the end IMO.

Of course I could be completely wrong and they are just torturing us for sport.

gophergirl on June 25, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Regardless of which way the ruling goes, King Obama loses on both fronts.

I look forward to being called an unhinged racist once again!

JPeterman on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

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Clinton predicted that if the law is declared unconstitutional, Republicans will suffer a backlash when millions of Americans calculate what they have lost. Before the Affordable Care Act passed, two thirds of all the applications for bankruptcy were because of health-care emergencies, a consequence likely to return if health care inflation again rises precipitously.

Millions have healthcare now that did not have it before the Affordable Care Act, due to pre-existing conditions, they were uninsurable.
Many more young adults are moving back home and have healthcare because they can stay on their parents policy until they are 26.
There will be a backlash that will encompass men, women, young, old, all races.
Not good for republicans.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Andrew Sisters

jaime on June 25, 2012 at 11:21 PM

I know…..

For me…it isn’t recognized…

Great girls…..I agree…

Wait a tick…
This is QOTD..

Nevermind what I said…

*I should learn from what I do*

Sorry jaime..

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

These quotes of the day REALLY need to come with tags on who SAID WHAT………so annoying.
Just sayin’… :)

bridgetown on June 25, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Better call it a night…..stay cool

cmsinaz on June 25, 2012 at 11:26 PM

EG coffe in the am…the beer to celebrate or wallow in the pm

cmsinaz on June 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM

That’s the plan..

Well..

Basically execute the same plan for the last 3.5 year.

It’s documented somewhere…
We are trying to find it ..
:)

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:27 PM

And there is another issue. There seems to be the idea that a law is simply constitutional if a tax is involved. It is forgotten that the enumerated powers still govern what the government can do. The states have power over the rest.

CW on June 25, 2012 at 11:20 PM

From a piece that I wrote what seems to be ages ago (I swear my fingers have memorised the Obamacare arguments. I could close my eyes and type them because I’ve been writing the same crap for more than 3 years now. **eyeroll**):

The Court, in City of New York v. Feiring, 313 U.S. 283 (1941), established a test to be utilised in making the determination of whether an assessment is a tax or a penalty has been described as a four-part test incorporating the following criteria:

(1) an involuntary pecuniary burden, regardless of name, laid upon individuals or property; and,

(2) imposed by, or under authority of the legislature; and,

(3) for public purposes, including the purposes of defraying expenses of government or undertakings authorised by it; and,

(4) under the police or taxing power of the state.

The individual mandate is NOT a tax. The Obama administration CANNOT make the argument that the FDR administration relied upon (Taxing and Spending powers) when it argued for the constitutionality of Social Security. In Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 (1937), the Court said that Congress had the authority to tax income to provide for Social Security BECAUSE IT WAS A TAX PAID TO THE GOVERNMENT. Blue Cross/Blue Shield is not an arm of the Federal government; thus, paying premiums to it CANNOT be viewed as a form of taxation.

If you’re interested:

Obamacare: Do Not Resuscitate

By the way, I always love it when I reduce Progs to arguing that paying premiums to their hated, big, meanie, private health insurance corporations is a form of taxation, which would make their hated, big, meanie, private health insurance corporations a part of the Federal government.

And, they scream about Citizens United and corporate personhood!!!! LOL!

Resist We Much on June 25, 2012 at 11:28 PM

…but at least in supporting Johnson you have chosen someone who isn’t bat$hit insane. I applaud this decision of yours.

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM

If anything it is the Keynesians that are insane, and of the three candidates running for President, Gary Johnson is the only one that isn’t Keynesian.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM

John Maynard Keynes wasn’t even what the majority of Keynesian’s today would recognize as a Keynesian.

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Jaime,

Autum Leaves

Nite all.

GrannyDee on June 25, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Many more young adults are moving back home and have healthcare because they can stay on their parents policy until they are 26.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

So this is moving FORWARD..

going BACKWARD…

Nice..

Continue on there bug..

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM

…but at least in supporting Johnson you have chosen someone who isn’t bat$hit insane. I applaud this decision of yours.

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM

If you ask me it’s the creators of Obamacare and Romneycare that are insane. Of the three candidates running for President, only Gary Johnson opposes Obama/Romneycare.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Better call it a night…..stay cool

cmsinaz on June 25, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I should to…

But a bug has entered….

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM

So this is moving FORWARD..

going BACKWARD…

Nice..

Continue on there bug..

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM

No, this is called…

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Obama…….GOD of the Political left.

All hail and worship him (like those in the adoring media do),

PappyD61 on June 25, 2012 at 11:31 PM

I’ve never known a politician to talk as much trash as Bill Clinton (maybe because he’s such a motormouth). Wasn’t he the one who said voters would punish Democrats in ’10 if they didn’t pass ObamaCare? How’d that work out, Bill? And that business about two thirds of bankruptcy filings being due to health-care emergencies? One of the most bogus statistics out there arrived at with flawed and dishonest methodology. And, Bill, you’re too smart to not know that the Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen is nothing, nothing, like the Affordable Care Act. Stop making a damn fool of yourself.

SukieTawdry on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Many more young adults are moving back home and have healthcare because they can stay on their parents policy until they are 26.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

So this is moving FORWARD..

going BACKWARD…

Nice..

Continue on there bug..

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Just pointing out the problem. Everyone is aware the economy is bad.
You’re kicking people while they are down.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Beat Me Daddy (eight to the bar)

jaime on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I am so sick of these 0bana ads…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Prayers for OC’s family!

AmeriCuda on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

No, this is called…

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Playing now..:)

Good song….

No Bedbugs in this song….

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:33 PM

William Randolph Hearst just died…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:34 PM

GrannyDee on June 25, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I like your taste in music

‘nite, GrannyDee

jaime on June 25, 2012 at 11:34 PM

John Maynard Keynes wasn’t even what the majority of Keynesian’s today would recognize as a Keynesian.

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Then vote for Gary Johnson. You don’t have to vote for one of the Keynesians. I think it was Einstein that said doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. Break the cycle, please vote for Gary Johnson because it’s the right thing to do for America.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Man oh man, the liberals are whiny little girls over this.

The liberal dictionary:

activism (ac-tiv-ism): noun. Any court that doesn’t rule our way.
homophobe (ho-mo-fobe): noun. Anyone who upholds traditional marriage.
racist (ray-cist): noun. Anyone winning an argument with a liberal.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:34 PM

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

You truly don’t get it. This is not about political parties or winning/losing. It is about the rule of law. If a law is unconstitutional, but would save 95% of the population, I would prefer that it be struck down and Congress pass a new law to fix the problem legally.

We cannot pick and choose which laws we will uphold or what parts of the Constitution we will honour today. If we do, we will end up with a totalitarian government and no defences against abuses of our liberties. The Soviet Union had a “constitution.” It guaranteed free speech, freedom of assembly, etc. Look at how that turned out. It was a joke because it was never taken seriously.

I may not like many of the decisions of the Court — I disagreed with much of the ruling on SB1070 — but I will respect its decision. If the Court says that Obamacare is unconstitutional, then it really doesn’t matter whether your ADULT children will have to fend for themselves like generations before, who were, like, fighting Hitler and Hirohito and managed to come home and take care of themselves.

Resist We Much on June 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

It’s one of those Mondays.

jaime on June 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM

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Clinton predicted that if the law is declared unconstitutional, Republicans will suffer a backlash when millions of Americans calculate what they have lost. Before the Affordable Care Act passed, two thirds of all the applications for bankruptcy were because of health-care emergencies, a consequence likely to return if health care inflation again rises precipitously.

Millions have healthcare now that did not have it before the Affordable Care Act, due to pre-existing conditions, they were uninsurable.
Many more young adults are moving back home and have healthcare because they can stay on their parents policy until they are 26.
There will be a backlash that will encompass men, women, young, old, all races.
Not good for republicans.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Yeah, you’re right. Not good at all.

54% Still Favor Repeal of Obama’s Health Care Law – Monday, June 25, 2012

Flora Duh on June 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Hey JTL…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Just pointing out the problem. Everyone is aware the economy is bad.
You’re kicking people while they are down.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I am among the so called “kick” as you call it.

45 years old, daughter of one…wife..

I will not go Backwards…. that is..
hopelessly dependent on an entity that I have no voice.

So I adapt..

How is that you say?

Well.

I get a second job…

No wait…

I start my own business…
Employee my daughter and my wife..

Good times..

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Just pointing out the problem. Everyone is aware the economy is bad.
You’re kicking people while they are down.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

We’re not doing anything – if anyone is to blame it’s the democrats who crafted the bill.

If they would have actually listened instead of pushing through some “grand socialist” healthcare dream – we wouldn’t be where we are right now.

gophergirl on June 25, 2012 at 11:37 PM

It’s one of those Mondays.

jaime on June 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Thanks..

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:38 PM

It is impossible to live with leftists. Conservatives allow for federalism, for leftists to create leftist sh!tholes in the states they control (so long as they pay for themselves) but leftists are anti-federalist. They demand not only a national government that decides everything but further they demand that everyone live like a leftist. They demand my life for their politics (in opposition to the foundation and nature of America) and will settle for nothing less. It is impossible to come to any sort of an agreement with these despicable little tyrants if they gain any power, at all. One cannot even LEAVE the nation (as leftist governments are the ones that build walls to keep the citizens IN) after leftists gain control. When a society has reached a certain percentage of leftists, it can no longer operate as a free society and will embark on a path to total destruction, though it will often take decades to finally come tumbling down and will cause untold misery in the process as one leftist policy fails after another.

America has reached that critical percentage of leftists. There is no reasoning or bargaining with these people. They can only be delayed in their insane goals for a while but they cannot be stopped. The only solution when a society has reached such a point is to split, amicably if possible, though leftists are loathe to let the productive leave and escape their taxation and confiscation regimes. This is where we’re at. THe election of 2008 showed where America was willing to go and it ain’t pretty and it ain’t smart. And there is no one who can or will fight against it, as we have seen King Emperor Admiral of the Low IQ Barky break law after law after law on his whim, making a mockery of the last SCOTUS decision just hours after it was delivered – doing exactly what he argued in the Court he couldn’t do which is why he illegally and ridiculously took it to the Court in the first place.

America cannot feign ignorance for where we are clearly headed.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 25, 2012 at 11:38 PM

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

You truly don’t get it. This is not about political parties or winning/losing. It is about the rule of law. If a law is unconstitutional, but would save 95% of the population, I would prefer that it be struck down and Congress pass a new law to fix the problem legally.

We cannot pick and choose which laws we will uphold or what parts of the Constitution we will honour today. If we do, we will end up with a totalitarian government and no defences against abuses of our liberties. The Soviet Union had a “constitution.” It guaranteed free speech, freedom of assembly, etc. Look at how that turned out. It was a joke because it was never taken seriously.

I may not like many of the decisions of the Court — I disagreed with much of the ruling on SB1070 — but I will respect its decision. If the Court says that Obamacare is unconstitutional, then it really doesn’t matter whether your ADULT children will have to fend for themselves like generations before, who were, like, fighting Hitler and Hirohito and managed to come home and take care of themselves.

Resist We Much on June 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM

What about today’s decision.
And, I was commenting on Bill Clinton’s take and how it would affect the political parties.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Everyone is aware the economy is bad.
You’re kicking people while they are down.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Projecting for Obama Hussein Odinga ?

burrata on June 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Break the cycle, please vote for Gary Johnson because it’s the right thing to do for America.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:34 PM | Delete

Yep, give Obummer a 2nd term! Hail the new Perot!

Valkyriepundit on June 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

In The Mood

jaime on June 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Heaven has plenty of room OC.

wolly4321 on June 25, 2012 at 11:40 PM

These quotes of the day REALLY need to come with tags on who SAID WHAT………so annoying.
Just sayin’… :)
bridgetown on June 25, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I think a matching game would be fun.

txhsmom on June 25, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Can’t these morons see today Hussein became Idi Amin.

burrata on June 25, 2012 at 11:06 PM

It’s like when the liberals all applauded when it was suggested Paul Krugman be made “dictator.” Rush summed it up perfectly today. Under Obama, this is not a nation of law, it is a nation of a man. He doesn’t follow the law of the land. He mocks it and ignores it. It’s a dictator’s wet dream.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:40 PM

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM

If you ask me it’s the creators of Obamacare and Romneycare that are insane. Of the three candidates running for President, only Gary Johnson opposes Obama/Romneycare.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Perhaps, but Johnson still doesn’t have a prayer. I applaud you finding a sane, fiscally conservative candidate to support. It’s a step in the right direction intellectually. Even if it is also ultimately a suicidal gesture. Four more years of Obama and the America of the Founding fathers ceases to exist, that’s not hyperbolic rhetoric, it’s an inconvenient truth.

We can survive 4 or even 8 years of a Romney presidency, and then with the hard work of the TEA Party and individuals like you we will have the chance again to elect a more sane and rational President. Your buddies in the Ronulan camp have shown the people of America something very wonderful, even if they are, well less than rational in their devotion to Ron Paul.

What they proved was, that by learning the rules, and getting in the trenches politics can be changed from the ground level up. I very seriously pray that the TEA Party groups recognize what the Ronulans achieved and make the effort to study their tactics and use them.

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 11:41 PM

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Bullcrap, “millions” were not “uninsurable”. The proggies have been whining about uninsurables for decades, and though there are some, there are nowhere near “millions” that have become insured under Obamacare.

It also must be said that many truly uninsurable at this time are that way because of their own negligence in being uninsured until they became ill with a serious disease. If you go to a health insurance company needing a quadruple bypass immediately, no surprise that they don’t want to write you a policy.

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Just pointing out the problem. Everyone is aware the economy is bad.
You’re kicking people while they are down.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

King Obama had 2 full years to fix the economy. He chose to waste his time on ObamaCare, made corrupt deals in order to get votes, while completely ignoring the economy.

Blame the King and the morons who voted for him.

JPeterman on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Jun 25, 6:30 PM EDT

Federal hotline set up on Arizona immigration

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department has set up a hotline for the public to report potential civil rights concerns regarding the Arizona law that requires police to check the immigration status of those they stop for other reasons.

The hotline phone number is 1-855-353-1010. The email is: SB1070(at)usdoj.gov.

Everybody call this number and email that address as much as humanly possible. Let’s fill their voice mail box and email inbox. Let’s show them what happens when they advertise for Americans to help them subvert upheld law.

MadisonConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

William Randolph Hearst just died…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Does this mean I can piss on his grave now?

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Yep, give Obummer a 2nd term! Hail the new Perot!

Valkyriepundit on June 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

No, a poll mentioned in HA Headlines today indicated that 55% don’t think either Obama or Romney are going to fix Americas problems. The 55% should vote for Gary Johnson.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Flora Duh
I am aware of the polls, but it is different when you are the one losing your healthcare.

ElectronGod
You are lucky that you and your family are healthy.
Some people are. It so lucky.
You should’ve commended for your drive, though, sir.

Gopher girl,

Didn’t Mitt Romney’s people help craft the bill once they implemented it in MA? Is Mitt Romney a socialist now?

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM

…(catching up…busy today)…caught the news on another thread and was glad…the age of your friend and ‘pnemonia‘ worried me! Praise the real ONE!

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM

The GOP will betay you!!..:)

The GOPe will betray you!!..For the true cons..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Here’s to hoping a lot of leftist heads explode on Thursday…

Gohawgs on June 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Hey, OC! Nice on the first, and nice news from your friend/brother.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:44 PM

The GOP will betay you!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Given the chance…

Gohawgs on June 25, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Everyone is aware the economy is bad.
You’re kicking people while they are down.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Projecting for Obama Hussein Odinga ?

burrata on June 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

What? No.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Gohawgs on June 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Hey hawgs, you think Penn State is going to survive this?

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Here’s to hoping a lot of leftist heads explode on Thursday…

Gohawgs on June 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM

I’ll drink to that… :)

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM

OT: update on my friend/brother in Christ Norm
Hallelujah!

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Oh! The power of prayer! This is WONderful news!

herm2416 on June 25, 2012 at 11:46 PM

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Bullcrap, “millions” were not “uninsurable”. The proggies have been whining about uninsurables for decades, and though there are some, there are nowhere near “millions” that have become insured under Obamacare.

It also must be said that many truly uninsurable at this time are that way because of their own negligence in being uninsured until they became ill with a serious disease. If you go to a health insurance company needing a quadruple bypass immediately, no surprise that they don’t want to write you a policy.

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2012 at 11:41 PM

How many then? How many are uninsured?
By your high standards?
People cannot see the future and some live pay check to pay check.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Based on the three presidential candidates records in office, Gary Johnson should finish a strong first, followed distantly by Romney and finally Obama. Gary is clearly the superior candidate of the three.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:47 PM

The 55% should vote for Gary Johnson.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Yeah, because Im sure they would have proclaimed their trust in him, if Johnson had been included in the poll… /s

Valkyriepundit on June 25, 2012 at 11:47 PM

You mad bro?

Flora Duh on June 25, 2012 at 11:01 PM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 11:47 PM

No, a poll mentioned in HA Headlines today indicated that 55% don’t think either Obama or Romney are going to fix Americas problems. The 55% should vote for Gary Johnson.

FloatingRock on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

7% have heard of Gary Johnson.

tom daschle concerned on June 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Gary Johnson will betray you!

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM

People cannot see the future and some live pay check to pay check.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:46 PM

What is this supposed to mean?

tom daschle concerned on June 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Resist we much
You have to be one of the most informed of any of us ……And for that I thank you………..;)

angrymike on June 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Thank you. I am a stickler for facts and a born researcher. The law degree and insomnia, which leads me to spend hours running stats on debt, deficits, unemployment, etc., in the middle of the night are added bonuses…I guess…maybe. So, I am usually just a sort of running-on-fumes-and-caffiene person, who belongs to a profession ranked down there with the media and used car salesmen.

The truth is that the Progs have been making the same arguments for years and I only have to do the research once. I’ve repeated the stuff so many times that I can rattle off numbers and stuff on the most inane topics…like the comparisons between the Great Depression and the 1920-21 depression, which none of them have ever heard about, but was actually much worse. It is more a product of repetition than any profundity on my part, but thanks for the compliment. :-)

Resist We Much on June 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Swinging On A Star

jaime on June 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Hey hawgs, you think Penn State is going to survive this?

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Sandusky’s fellow inmates taunted him at night by singing: ‘Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone’

JPeterman on June 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Jun 25, 6:30 PM EDT

Federal hotline set up on Arizona immigration

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department has set up a hotline for the public to report potential civil rights concerns regarding the Arizona law that requires police to check the immigration status of those they stop for other reasons.

The hotline phone number is 1-855-353-1010. The email is: SB1070(at)usdoj.gov.

Everybody call this number and email that address as much as humanly possible. Let’s fill their voice mail box and email inbox. Let’s show them what happens when they advertise for Americans to help them subvert upheld law.

MadisonConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I heard somewhere that Condeleeza Rice talked about landmark civil rights legislation to immigration legislation. I have to say, I feel sorry for anybody being tasked to uphold the law in AZ.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Scribbler is praying for Norm…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:51 PM

ElectronGod
You are lucky that you and your family are healthy.
Some people are. It so lucky.
You should’ve commended for your drive, though, sir.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

My daughter has Neurofibrosis 1.

Specialiast that she was seeing didn’t live in Idaho…
They made monthly visits to Idaho from Salt Lake but was covered because they practiced out of local clinics..

No more…..

“You like your doctor..you can keep your doctor..”

FU.

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:52 PM

People cannot see the future and some live pay check to pay check.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:46 PM

What is this supposed to mean?

tom daschle concerned on June 25, 2012 at 11:48 PM

It was in reference to people that don’t carry insurance because they can’t afford it and they never believe they will be the one to get cancer or Other health problems.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM

If you go to a health insurance company needing a quadruple bypass immediately, no surprise that they don’t want to write you a policy.
slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2012 at 11:41 PM

No insurance company, but doctors give care for free all the time. One of my friends had a baby for free, by c-section, because her Obgyn didn’t want her to have to go to another doc. Another friend didn’t know he had a heart problem and at the age of 26 got a $60,000 pacemaker free. This whining is from entitled losers who don’t want to pay $100 to go see a doctor for the sniffles.

txhsmom on June 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM

And denigrated those who did not stay on topic?

cozmo on June 25, 2012 at 11:04 PM

…my gawd!…golly you don’t miss nothin’

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM

JPeterman on June 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM

They should have been singing this.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Yea, I totally fubared my last. I blame booze. Sorry.

wolly4321 on June 25, 2012 at 11:54 PM

ElectronGod
You are lucky that you and your family are healthy.
Some people are. It so lucky.
You should’ve commended for your drive, though, sir.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

My daughter has Neurofibrosis 1.

Specialiast that she was seeing didn’t live in Idaho…
They made monthly visits to Idaho from Salt Lake but was covered because they practiced out of local clinics..

No more…..

“You like your doctor..you can keep your doctor..”

FU.

Electrongod on June 25, 2012 at 11:52 PM

I am very sorry to hear that. They won’t practice out of the clinic because of the new healthcare law?

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:55 PM

If You Are But A Dream

jaime on June 25, 2012 at 11:56 PM

What about today’s decision.

I said that I didn’t agree with the Court’s ruling on SB1070.

And, I was commenting on Bill Clinton’s take and how it would affect the political parties.

I know that you were, but please allow me to bring you back to this spectacular moment in Bill Clinton’s prognostication history:

Former President Bill Clinton told a room full of Democratic senators Tuesday that passing health care reform — which he failed to do 15 years ago — is not only a moral issue but also “an economic imperative.”

“So it’s not important to be perfect here, it’s important to act, to move, to start the ball rolling, to claim the evident advantages that all these plans agree with, and whatever they can get the votes for, I’m gonna support. I think it is good politics to pass this and to pass this as soon as they can. But I think the most important thing is it is the right thing for America. The worst thing to do is nothing.”

- Bill Clinton, 10 November 2009

Care to tell us how that prediction worked out for Democrats in November, 2010?

Resist We Much on June 25, 2012 at 11:56 PM

It was in reference to people that don’t carry insurance because they can’t afford it and they never believe they will be the one to get cancer or Other health problems.
BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I have a friend in that boat too–very poor w/cervical cancer. She has Medicaid. Actually, she has a special women’s Medicaid. She’s had 3 surgeries and is receiving chemo.

txhsmom on June 25, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Before the Affordable Care Act passed, two thirds of all the applications for bankruptcy were because of health-care emergencies, a consequence likely to return if health care inflation again rises precipitously.

This is a lie. In 2/3 of these cases, the people had unpaid medical bills, this does not mean they filed for bankruptcy because of this. Some of them were hundreds of thousands in debt with just a few hundred or a few thousand of that medical bills.

VorDaj on June 25, 2012 at 11:58 PM

They should have been singing this.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM

heh!

JPeterman on June 25, 2012 at 11:58 PM

It was in reference to people that don’t carry insurance because they can’t afford it and they never believe they will be the one to get cancer or Other health problems.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM | Delete

Take it easy! You’re starting to mix up talking points and victim groups: If they cant afford healthcare anyway its quite irrelevant if they think they will ever need it or not. The poor are a different victim group from those who are just too dumb to handle their own lifes and need your enlightened leadership/supervision.

Valkyriepundit on June 25, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Hey hawgs, you think Penn State is going to survive this?

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Yep…Congrats on the Pac-102 winning the baseball championships tonight…

Gohawgs on June 25, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Millions have healthcare now that did not have it before the Affordable Care Act, due to pre-existing conditions, they were uninsurable.

this is false. people were surprised how FEW people signed up. Fifty thousand, iirc

Many more young adults are moving back home and have healthcare because they can stay on their parents policy until they are 26.

just like italy and other euro countries….soon people will have to stay, get married, have kids, all with mom and dad

There will be a backlash that will encompass men, women, young, old, all races.
Not good for republicans.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM

the truth is that is was always hard to find people that died because of lack of healthcare. usually it was a ‘misunderstanding’ or fabrication…cf barry’s mom.

hillary once talked about a poor woman who died of cancer blah, blah, blah…and it was later shown to be false.

libs tend to believe the selling of the Socialist model…and that’s why they are called ‘useful idiots’…because the guys who get rich off the socialist model use you at every turn

r keller on June 25, 2012 at 11:59 PM

I am very sorry to hear that. They won’t practice out of the clinic because of the new healthcare law?

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Not directly..
They won’t volunteer their time to practice out of their area because of O’Care.
Something about regional practice and compensation…

We in Idaho do not have specialists in the area that my daughter needs..

So now we travel 300 miles to Salt Lake…
All is not lost…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Former President Bill Clinton told a room full of Democratic senators Tuesday that passing health care reform — which he failed to do 15 years ago — is not only a moral issue but also “an economic imperative.”

“So it’s not important to be perfect here, it’s important to act, to move, to start the ball rolling, to claim the evident advantages that all these plans agree with, and whatever they can get the votes for, I’m gonna support. I think it is good politics to pass this and to pass this as soon as they can. But I think the most important thing is it is the right thing for America. The worst thing to do is nothing.”

- Bill Clinton, 10 November 2009

Care to tell us how that prediction worked out for Democrats in November, 2010?

Resist We Much on June 25, 2012 at 11:56 PM

There was allot more going on than healthcare, but you are correct,it melted the democrats.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Projecting for Obama Hussein Odinga ?

burrata on June 25, 2012 at 11:39 PM

What? No.

BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:44 PM

BedBug came over a while ago…FROM THE DARK SIDE…but! …has been gone for a period of time though…where ya been BedBug?…they didn’t get to you again….did they?
Welcome back!…I think.

KOOLAID2 on June 26, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Resist We Much, if any of the rightists around here ever ask you not to post this or that, from your site or not, I’ll challenge them to a duel.

It’s a beauty to watch you squish the leftists, elegantly, with legal and other facts.

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Jersey Bounce

jaime on June 26, 2012 at 12:02 AM

bedbug; a parasitic insect…

Gohawgs on June 26, 2012 at 12:02 AM

How would you describe a President, who refuses to uphold the Constitution as he swore an oath to do, refuses to enforce laws that are on the books, circumvents Congress, arms Mexican drug cartels in an effort to undermine Americans’ constitutional rights, dismisses out-of-hand pleas for the recognition of the rights of the religious to practise their faiths as they are entitled under the First Amendment, encourages our enemies and insults/dismisses our allies, calls his fellow Americans “enemies,” unilaterally abrogates contracts, usurps the rights of secured creditors in order to pay off his union buddies, and engages in foreign military interventions without Congressional approval …

Resist We Much on June 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM

You may or may not realize it, but you just wrote the preamble to the Declaration of Independence 2.0. Couldn’t have said it better.

TXUS on June 26, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Rush summed it up perfectly today. Under Obama, this is not a nation of law, it is a nation of a man. He doesn’t follow the law of the land. He mocks it and ignores it. It’s a dictator’s wet dream.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I am amazed that how willingly blind people have been to this man and his intentions.
People are still shamelessly defending this thug , they have no clue what is coming.
His tactics may be marxist, but his motives are islamic.

burrata on June 26, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Jersey Bounce

jaime on June 26, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Something, umm, shall we say a little more, ummm, current maybe?

SWalker on June 26, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Resist We Much on June 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM

You may or may not realize it, but you just wrote the preamble to the Declaration of Independence 2.0. Couldn’t have said it better.

TXUS on June 26, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Yup, pretty much…

SWalker on June 26, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM

And under Obamacare doctors can’t do charity work. If the govt says no, the doc cannot give you care and you cannot raise money for it, help a friend pay for it or whatever.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM

It was in reference to people that don’t carry insurance because they can’t afford it and they never believe they will be the one to get cancer or Other health problems.
BedBug on June 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I have a friend in that boat too–very poor w/cervical cancer. She has Medicaid. Actually, she has a special women’s Medicaid. She’s had 3 surgeries and is receiving chemo.

txhsmom on June 25, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Did you know that there is a gap between when you can have medicaid and obviously, when you get Medicare at age 65, If a woman, for example, gets breast cancer, she would have to file for disability through SS to get Medicaid. It takes an average of three years to get declared disabled by the SS with an attorney.

BedBug on June 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM

MadisonConservative on June 25, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Time to tweet this excellent idea. “Overwhelm the system”. Make it the next attack watch debacle.

katy on June 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

How would you describe a President, who refuses to uphold the Constitution as he swore an oath to do, refuses to enforce laws that are on the books, circumvents Congress, arms Mexican drug cartels in an effort to undermine Americans’ constitutional rights, dismisses out-of-hand pleas for the recognition of the rights of the religious to practise their faiths as they are entitled under the First Amendment, encourages our enemies and insults/dismisses our allies, calls his fellow Americans “enemies,” unilaterally abrogates contracts, usurps the rights of secured creditors in order to pay off his union buddies, and engages in foreign military interventions without Congressional approval …

Resist We Much on June 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM

…and the squishes in Congress do nothing, nada…because he’s the first black president, Clinton notwithstanding.

MLK cries in his grave. Minorities are the biggest fools for accepting such low expectations of their ‘man’.

Schadenfreude on June 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Sentimental Journey

jaime on June 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

And under Obamacare doctors can’t do charity work. If the govt says no, the doc cannot give you care and you cannot raise money for it, help a friend pay for it or whatever.

txhsmom on June 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM

That’s the reason….
No charity…
My Daughter’s doctor mentioned that…

The money to the doctor was defined very specifically in O’Care…

Electrongod on June 26, 2012 at 12:10 AM

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