Issa: Fast and Furious might have been a political operation to push for gun control
posted at 12:01 pm on June 25, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
The big question from last week’s assertion of executive privilege by Barack Obama was what, exactly, was so troublesome that the White House couldn’t have Attorney General Eric Holder release it. It certainly wasn’t to protect the precedent of confidentiality of presidential advice; Obama and Holder have insisted that the President had no knowledge of Operation Fast and Furious until it made the headlines. Even the assertion of privilege attempted to skirt that issue by relying on deliberative process rather than direct presidential privilege, although it seems almost certain that deliberative process won’t shield Holder and others at executive agencies. Clearly, the documents showsomethingObama finds damaging — but what is it?
Rep. Darrell Issa has headed the Congressional probe as House Oversight chair, and he told Jake Tapper yesterday that he thinks that the entire operation was political. Tapper sounded skeptical, and Issa responds by pointing to Holder’s actions after the scandal broke:
TAPPER: You really think that there’s a possibility that they were sending guns across the border not because they were trying to get people in the Mexican drug cartels, not because they were trying to figure out drug — I mean, gun trafficking, but because they were trying to push gun control?
ISSA: Two things quickly. First of all, this was so flawed that you can’t believe they expected to actually get criminal prosecutions as a result of it. So the level of flaw — flaw — flaw, if that’s a word, here is huge.
But here’s the real answer as to gun control. We have e-mail from people involved in this that are talking about using what they’re finding here to support the — basically assault weapons ban or greater reporting.
So chicken or egg? We don’t know which came first; we probably never will. We do know that during this — this Fast and Furious operation, there were e-mails in which they’re saying we can use this as part of additional reporting or things like assault weapons ban. So the people involved saw the benefit of what — what they were gathering. Whether or not that was their original purpose, we probably will never know.
And I — and I take people at their word that this started off in some way as an idea where they could get good information, they could, in fact, roll up bad guys. But after it was out of control and people are saying, we’re letting too many guns walk, those kinds of e-mails occurred, we — we have people who also were being opportunists.
And, remember, Eric Holder issued a four-state reporting for long rifles and used what he had had here. Right in the middle of the scandal, he issues that for four states. They never needed this information. They never needed the reporting to get this information. These federally licensed gun dealers came to ATF and told them they had straw-buyers, told them they had suspicious buyers, and turned them on to the very people. And one of these people bought over 700 weapons, just one straw-buyer.
So it’s very clear the system was working, where ATF was getting information voluntarily from licensed gun dealers. They don’t need the additional reporting, but they got it anyway, and they used gun violence to the border and this operation as part of it. So I think when you look at the chicken or egg, there’s proof that they certainly were opportunist.
Holder’s orders might be a chicken-egg issue as well. After the scandal broke, the DoJ may have wanted a way to frame the issue as one of gun control rather than incompetence. As Issa says, the entire structure of the ATF operation was so poor that it’s hard to see how anyone could have expected to get convictions in court from the results. Is that more incompetence, or an indication that the DoJ wasn’t really interested in convictions? That’s the big question, and one that Issa wants answered — from the documents that Obama is currently hiding behind a very weak claim of executive privilege.
Bill Whittle argued passionately that the only rational motive for Operation Fast and Furious was to push gun control, but Paul Mirengoff at Power Line is a little skeptical, too:
First, Fast and Furious does not appear to have been the brainchild of President Obama or Attorney General Holder. Rather, the program reportedly was formulated by the ATF in Phoenix in response to an edict from Washington to focus on eliminating arms trafficking networks, as opposed to capturing low-level buyers, as had occurred under traditional interdiction programs. If Fast and Furious had been the product of a conspiracy by the administration to promote gun control legislation, the program would have come from the top down, not from the bottom up.
Now, it’s possible that a thorough review of documents would show that, contrary to current understanding, the plan originated in the White House or with Eric Holder. But it seems unlikely. For if this had happened, those who have been blamed for the program would likely have said they were following edicts from the highest reaches of the government.
Eric Holder’s claim that he knew nothing about Fast and Furious is implausible. But this doesn’t mean that he and/or the president came up with the idea. As far as I know, there is no evidence as of now that either did.
Second, Obama and Holder probably would not have believed that increased violence in Mexico could lead to tougher regulation of guns in the U.S. Americans simply don’t care enough about Mexico to alter domestic policy based on what occurs there, especially when it comes to an issue as passionately and endlessly argued as gun control. Americans view violence in Mexico the way they viewed violence in Colombia – unfortunate, typical, and not our problem at any fundamental level.
I’m not so sure. First, I recall the effort by administration officials, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to claim that Mexican gun violence was our problem by using falsely inflated figures of American origins of drug-cartel guns. I wrote about the mythmaking in April 2009, long before the Fast and Furious scandal got exposed (and before the operation had even begun). I warned what the outcome of this claim would be at the time:
So why make up the lie? The more conspiratorial will conclude that the Obama administration wants to have a pretext for seizing weapons. Public statements like those made by Hillary Clinton certainly put pressure on the US to take some sort of action, if we’re admitting to being the problem. So far, the Obama administration has not proposed a solution to this mythical problem, but we will want to keep a very close eye when they do.
I don’t think Issa’s suggestion is far-fetched at all. And at this point, it’s incumbent on the President and his staff to release all of the documents on this deadly program so that we can find out exactly who knew what, when they knew it, and why the Obama administration responded to this supposed problem by flooding Mexico with guns they didn’t bother to track.
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New meme: What would candidate obama do? WWCOD
If only (candidate) Obama knew!
aquaviva on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
I feel so sorry for you Obama-azz-dwelleres.
Suffocate from what you’ve consumed, you traitors.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Dwellers…it ain’t Beluga caviar…you’ve been consuming Obama’s shit. Suffocate from it, slowly and painfully.
I hope that Messrs. Ailes and Murdoch will fight for the 1st, with all their might, and the help of the ACLU and any decent leftist, hah.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Chuck “Frog” Todd discovers the scorpion.
Mr. D on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
It’s just like the gun laws they want. A national registry prevents anyone from ever discussing in public whether or not they might have guns. You might have liberal (re: Communist) neighbors that would report you to the moral authorities…
Freakin’ USSA
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM
Soviets would be proud.
goflyers on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
At this point, can’t we just make Cuba the 58th state already?
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Obviously, Todd and all those singing his same tune have lost all credibility. Worse, those on the Left are also traitors.
Love,
Obama’s Choirboys
Chris Matthews
Our trolls
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Hmmm but it is really satisfying to see them sweat too.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Wow. They’ve gone too far even for Chuck Todd.
Can I get a Maddow?
Robert_Paulson on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Is this surprising? After all, it’s the Chicago Way.
Fred 2 on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
The media I mean.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Boo Hoo. Chuck Todd was right there with the effort to criminalize private gun ownership, in fact if not in name, via harassment of gun owners. Now all of a sudden I’m supposed to be outraged because his ox is getting gored.
It’s a serious thing, but I’m not buying the sudden respect for rights from most of these clowns.
JohnTant on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
“Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.” – David Burge
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Gad. And HAL’s book is Sal Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals too. Such a freakin’ idiot.
But true. I’m getting to the point that our only hope is that after the complete collapse of the United States, the sane people with all the guns can reinstall the Constitution and start over.
RESET!
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
In one way I cannot disagree – the U.S. media is probably comprised of many of the world’s most dishonest people. Many “journalists” lie on a level similar to Barack Obama or Marco Rubio. But, Obama only wants to criminalize those who don’t agree with him.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Let’s not forget that Chuck Todd’s wife (Christin Deny Todd) is a Democratic operative.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Big whoop. What are all these hyperventilating pearl-clutchers in the journalism field going to do about it? Nothing. They’re Obama’s kept b_tches and they know it.
Aitch748 on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
May you journalists, aka lemmings, be the first useful idiots he jails.
txhsmom on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
Be outraged. Use the law and a good portion of absolute moral authority to take this criminal enterprise down.
Dusty on May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM
I don’t think Chuckie and his ilk will be turning in their Hope & Change autographed kneepads yet though…
Bruno Strozek on May 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Flashback:
Forward!
visions on May 22, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Did IRS guidelines say teaching the Constitution is a political act?
Kerry Brentwood – Michigan
Shulman is squirming again.
Oh jeez, Shulman admits he doesn’t know the constitution and can’t recite it or explain 1, 2 or 19th amendments. Brentwood asks if he knows what TEA stands for – taxed enough already – Shulman says he didn’t know.
Looking at the fools and idiots in positions of power the rest of the world must be ROTFLTFAO at us.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Obama not born in Kenya. Born in East Berlin.
kurtzz3 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
No, what’s funny is how you tongue bathers have allowed him to shift all over the place while you turn a blind eye to it. For your failure to do your “job”, you’ve allowed this to happen. If he’d have been held accountable early in his career by the press, as a politician, do you think he would’ve made it this far? With this type of behavior? C’mon Chuck, by saying “Candidate Obama” you’re basically saying that you guys have been witness to this guy changing his positions and had the utter luxury of unrestrained freedom of movement to adapt his position to the situation at hand.
What good are you, Chuck???? See Obama and see your failure, it’s that simple, homeboy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:08 PM
I hate to break this to you, but Candidate Obama and President Obama are one and the same person.
This means that he played you, Chuckie. He told you a bunch of pretty, pretty lies and you swallowed them all. Let that sink in.
Saltyron on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Not going to happen. It’s going to get worse before it can get better.
Fenris on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
It appears to me like the administration doesn’t even care what anyone thinks about what they’ve been doing. If the president were really “outraged” don’t you think someone’s head would roll? Who is he afraid of? Holder? Because what they’re doing is downright cowardly.
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Should probably wait and see what the fallout from all this is before making a statement like that.
A lot of people are getting a taste of what ‘progressivism’ really means. I don’t think that’s going to work well for you guys.
rightmind on May 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM
A talking sock puppet that sleeps with the lowest form of prostitute. Willing to sell his soul and his kids for a few
peices of silver and a chance to fellate the kenyan.
acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM
…our philosopher King?
This is why you have a parasitic criminal class near most college campuses and other concentrations of liberals.
Marks like tingles are the best, though. They never admit that they were mugged.
IlikedAUH2O on May 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM
So, F. Chuck Todd is a racist, along with Chris Matthews, for criticizing a Black President?
pjarhead on May 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Welcome to Chicago politics, F. Chuck Todd. These MSM reporters are truly fools.
Henry Bowman on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Far as I’m concerned, these smug no-balz reporters can cry in their $10 lattes all week, while I laugh at them. Their liberalism and their precious Obama brought all this about, even though they were warned five years ago their candidate is a sleaze.
This is nothing. I think more have been spied on, including azz-kissers like Matthews. In any dictatorship, the biggest supporters are the ones most closely watched. There’s always a suspicion of heresy, and that has to be stamped out faster than any active opposition. Wait till Obamacare kicks in, too.
You reap what you sow. I hope their precious Obama gives them a bountiful harvest.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
And why is it that they don’t care? Is it because they know nothing will happen to them? I have always thought the POS knows he’s untouchable and that’s probably because of the powers behind the throne.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Criminalize journalism?
Yes, chuck, journalism. It’s that profession that you haven’t been involved with over the last few years. Don’t worry, there’ll be plenty of jobs for leg humpers, tongue bathers and water carriers. Pays the same as you make right now, buddy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:20 PM
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Well, I guess TECHNICALLY it doesn’t say the President can’t do any of these things. So there’s that.
UnderstandingisPower on May 22, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Friend, pls. photoshop the 3 monkeys of oblivion: Holder Obama and Hillary.
Also, consider photoshopping the 3 stooges, same characters.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Someone appropriately misspelled them “trools” this morning. I kind of like that.
oldroy on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Yeah Chuckie-boy, sark on it. Too bad you weren’t one of the realjournalists when F&F, Bengazi, HHS, OSHA, IRS, EPA, WiretAP scandals were breaking.
It was the folks like the ones here at HA doing the real grunt work.
Turtle317 on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Were all of the groups that got slammed by the IRS in total red states ?Did any of them have Democrat senators or Democrat congressmen?Were the Democrats in the group that doesn’t know anything or did they just go along with it?The MSM is dead in this country.The only media left is sites like this.
docflash on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
I saw that, and like it, too. Kind of a cross between ‘trolls’ and ‘tools’.
Maybe that commenter coined a new term exclusive to HotAir. Might even catch on with other Conservative sites.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Chuck – Hope you like the change you have been promoting the last several years.
albill on May 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM
But, Benghazi is a political witch hunt…
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
The State Run Media thought they would be exempt from the repression…LOL.
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
It’s great to see Chuck Todd cheering on journalism and journalists! Someday he might consider abandoning the Ministry of Truth propaganda machine, and join in.
MTF on May 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Mighty short book ya got there.
Dope.
herm2416 on May 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Or trolls and fools. But I repeat myself.
IrishEyes on May 22, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Lol! Okay, you got it. I’ll drop it off when its done. ; )
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
meh…there’s something pathetic how conservatives keep hoping these liberal journalists are going to start being even-handed…just wait, Chuck Todd and the rest of them will forgive and forget when it’s convenient.
blue13326 on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
And somehow Obama’s Gallup approval is still in the 50s.
I swear…Even if Obama rounded up 1/2 the country to the gas chambers, 50+% of the country including some of the 1/2 going into the gas chambers would still approve of Obama’s job performance.
Varchild on May 22, 2013 at 3:46 PM
The first step in totalitarian rule is to silence the opposition by intimidation. Now we can clearly see what kind of government we are going to get.
kemojr on May 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM
But the Tea Party, they should be criminalized.
Alabama Infidel on May 22, 2013 at 3:55 PM
Manure Spreading Media = Useful Idiots (V.I. Lenin)
Missilengr on May 22, 2013 at 3:56 PM
When
you’ve lostyou’re losing Chuck Toad…bofh on May 22, 2013 at 4:05 PM
BreakingNews: Chuck Todd(D) has placed his inflatable Obama love doll on CraigsList… it is SO over…
DANEgerus on May 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Once leftist scumbag todd gets his assurances from the OBOZO regime that he isn’t a target – he’ll be back licking OBOZO’s boots before you can say “d-cRAT stooge.”
TeaPartyNation on May 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM
about three days before the election in 2008 there was a story out of Tennessee about two guys talking in a bar about shooting Senator Obama. Made big headlines with all the racial intoning that could be mustered. The gal that initiated the report was the wife of Kerry’s 2004 campaign manager. It caused me to research a whole lot of names associated with by-lines. The ties to journ-o-listers to the dem party are very strong.
And the story was bogus of course.
DanMan on May 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM
WaPo: The Insiders: A special prosecutor in the IRS matter is inevitable
Resist We Much on May 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Let me make sure I get my hands around all of this:
Criminalizing journalism, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the First Amendment, is doubleungood.
Criminalizing gun ownership, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment, is doubleplusgood.
NOW, it all makes sense
Tar Heel Sooner on May 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM
“Fundamentally change America!” The idiots that voted for this Commie had no idea what he was talking about because they never took the time to learn anything about this traitor to America!!
Deano1952 on May 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM
BINGO! I don’t think this will occur to the LSM as a whole, though. Nor will they ever call him on it.
fred5678 on May 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Hey Chuck,
You DID build that !!
Sleep with it !
Jabberwock on May 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Well Chuck, by being a gutless weasel, the alligator is going to eat you last. Don’t worry, he’s hungry.
rhombus on May 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM
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Actually, Chuck, the way journalism has been practiced in the age of Øbama is criminal. You have a lot to atone for, Bub.
ExpressoBold on May 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM
When Obama has lost Chuck Todd he is done.
mitchellvii on May 22, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Drop that notepad and reach for the sky!, dirtbag.
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Right up to the time the ol’ EBT card achieved a zero balance, with no means of the government to fill it up.
“Waddya mean we cooked the dudes who we gots da money from?”
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:46 PM
For over 30 years…. I thought that I escaped my Communist country.
MNH on May 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Not buying it.
Judge apologizes for lack of transparency in James Rosen leak probe
The chief judge of the District’s federal court issued an unusual order Wednesday, apologizing to the public and the media for not making certain court documents widely available online.
The gesture of transparency by U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth comes at a time when the Obama administration is under scrutiny for an unprecedented number of leak investigations, including one showing that the Justice Department had secretly probed the news-gathering activities of Fox News reporter James Rosen.
The investigation of Rosen was first reported Monday, after The Washington Post obtained court documents containing details of the case.
A federal judge had ordered the documents unsealed in November 2011, but they were kept sealed for 18 months and not posted on the court’s online docket until last week, after The Post inquired about them.
Lamberth blamed a series of administrative errors and said a review of the “performance of the personnel involved is underway.” He also said he was creating a new category on the court’s Web site where all search and arrest warrants will be made public unless they fall under a separate sealing order.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/judge-apologizes-for-lack-of-transparency-in-leak-case/2013/05/22/ad769370-c308-11e2-8c3b-0b5e9247e8ca_story.html
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 6:37 PM
More information the public should have had before the vote.
That election was a fraud.
Obama is not President.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM
Heh
cornbred on May 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM
The media is fine with Obama trashing the Ammendments to the US Constitution because it is old and…..hey wait…..you can’t do that….
dddave on May 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM