Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on June 24, 2012 by Allahpundit

With the Supreme Court likely to render judgment on President Obama’s health care law this week, the White House and Congress find themselves in a position that many advocates of the legislation once considered almost unimaginable.

In passing the law two years ago, Democrats entertained little doubt that it was constitutional. The White House held a conference call to tell reporters that any legal challenge, as one Obama aide put it, “will eventually fail and shouldn’t be given too much credence in the press.”…

“It led to some people taking it too lightly,” said a Congressional lawyer who like others involved in drafting the law declined to be identified before the ruling. “It shouldn’t strike anybody as a close call,” the lawyer added, but “given where we are now, do I wish we had focused even more on this? I guess I would say yes.”…

Adversaries said the law’s proponents had been too attentive to liberal academics who shaped public discussion. “There’s very little diversity in the legal academy among law professors,” said Randy E. Barnett, a Georgetown University law professor and a leading thinker behind the challenge. “So they’re in an echo chamber listening to people who agree with them.”

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Some prominent legal scholars say a series of tactical decisions by President Obama’s legal team may have hurt the chances of saving his landmark health-care legislation from being gutted by Supreme Court conservatives…

Obama, a former constitutional law instructor, and White House lawyers helped shape a legal strategy essentially portraying health care as a unique marketplace that Congress, under the Constitution’s interstate commerce clause, could regulate by imposing the requirement that consumers buy insurance before receiving treatment or pay a penalty…

The critics say the administration failed to fully develop arguments tailored to the court’s conservative members, who often look to the original intentions of the Founding Fathers for guidance. The critics represent a small but influential group of scholars who believe that this “originalist” thinking — typically dismissed by the left as outmoded and dangerous to modern precedents such as the Roe v. Wade abortion ruling — could be used effectively to defend liberal laws. Some say that Obama, who has criticized the originalist view, and lawyers in his administration may have decided for ideological reasons to steer clear of a conservative-seeming argument — a suggestion deemed absurd by administration officials.

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[E]ven if the White House is a fortress of message discipline, it cannot disguise the potential heartbreak for Mr. Obama, who managed to achieve a decades-old Democratic dream despite long odds and at steep cost.

If he loses both his law and re-election, many will conclude “that he bet on his major reform, and the Supreme Court defeated it, and he lost his hold on the presidency,” Robert Dallek, the presidential historian, said in an interview…

As the brutal fight continued, the president sacrificed more and more in its name: an overhaul of energy and environmental laws, greater focus on economic issues, some of his own popularity and that of House Democrats, who eventually lost their hard-won majority. “Michelle and I are perfectly comfortable if we’re only here one term if we feel like we really accomplished something,” he told aides…

If the court strikes down the mandate and Mr. Obama wins in November, he could face one last version of his perpetual choice on health care: would he settle, learning to live with a sharply edited law? (Given that Republicans see the bill as a signature piece of big-government overreach, he might have no choice.) Or would he expend yet more precious capital on health care?

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But the fact is that if the mandate falls next week, nothing will happen. Then the next week, nothing will happen. Nothing again the week after that, and nothing will continue to happen for the next 70 weeks, which is roughly when the bulk of the law takes effect. In the meantime, Congress can do something, or it can do nothing, Democratically controlled states can step in, or not. If lawmakers move aggressively and fix it in advance, great. If they don’t and then in 2014 the reforms start to wobble, Congress will do something, or a lot of states will pass their own laws to broaden the risk pools, and things will settle down. That’s my hunch at least — that if the policy becomes unsustainable, then the politics of not fixing it will be unsustainable too.

Presumably that’s why President Obama’s telling his supporters he might have to “revisit” health care in his second term, rather than, say, in the middle of the campaign, when he’ll probably want to avoid using the word “mandate” altogether. If he loses, then of course the mandate’s probably dead. But in that case, it stands to reason that the mandate and much of the rest of the law will vanish anyway, regardless of what the Court does. Which I guess is a long way of saying there’s an appeal to both approaches but it’s the sort of problem that, perhaps inelegantly, will eventually solve itself.

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I expect, as I think most of us do, an unfriendly decision (from the Democratic point of view) on the health-care law. Can’t yet say how unfriendly; at the very least, an overturning of the individual mandate, and maybe more. Assuming that’s correct, the question immediately becomes how the president and the Democrats should respond. There’s very little they can do legislatively. But I’ll be watching for rhetoric, tone, even body language. And on those counts, they had damn well better dispense with the usual liberal woe-is-me hand-wringing and shoulder slumping and come out swinging. They had better communicate to their base that they stand for something, it’s important to them, and they’re pissed. And if they do it the right way, they can make the Supreme Court an issue this fall in a way that might even persuade some swing voters that the court overstepped its bounds. I’d go so far as to say that an aggressive response can reset and reframe the whole health-care debate, once Americans have had their minds focused on this by a blatantly partisan court…

[Obama] needs to stand up there and get mad. The law may be unpopular, but he and the Democrats are stuck with it, and being stuck with it, they need to stick by it. Almost never before in American history has a Supreme Court taken a law duly passed by the people’s representatives and in just two years’ time invalidated it. If that isn’t legislating from the bench, what is? Mr. Cool needs to get Hot. Against unanimous and ferocious opposition, and in the face of blatant lies about what this bill would and would not do, he and the Democrats came up with a way for people with cancer and diabetes and what have you to get the treatment they need and not be either turned away or gouged. He’s proud of that, he ought to say, and by God, he’s going to fight for it. That provision of the law is wildly popular—85 percent supported that, in a late-March New York Times survey. If you can’t play offense with 85 percent of the people behind you, I give up.

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Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Have you ever rolled your eyes so hard that you thought they were stuck for a second or two?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:13 AM

lol — Cindy Munford, with the amount of hypocrisy I’m spewing tonight, I can’t possibly stop long enough to try to understand what you mean by that cryptic remark. :)

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Good Night Electrongod, Sleep Well.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Why was he being interviewed?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Jazz and Rick were getting his opinion on all the political races..:)

PS..The inerview is on Blogtalkradio..”Rhino hour of Power”..:)

PSS..Jazz and Rick have a very good show!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:19 AM

I think Kagan just checks her ATM for big bonuses and if things are going as she and Boss BamBam want the balance drops to zero. That’s the signal.

viking01 on June 24, 2012 at 11:12 PM

That won’t work. She’s a liberal, liberals will take the money whether they have delivered the goods or not.

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 12:19 AM

What did the tat on the back of her neck say. :)

arnold ziffel on June 24, 2012 at 11:52 PM

…bend FORWARD!

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 12:19 AM

bet AP is doing that tonight too … switching gears … hence the early QOTD.

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Good point!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Conservative4ev on June 25, 2012 at 12:17 AM

In the long run it won’t make any difference. We are going to get hit with so much gobbely goop no matter what the ruling that we won’t know which end is up. The spin will amount to gale force winds.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:21 AM

… bet AP is doing that tonight too … switching gears … hence the early QOTD.

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Yet another reason AP might not like me. I want to be wide awake and wired either way. Preferably our way.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:19 AM

RINO Hour of Power? Jazz might have preferred that we at HotAir not know about this. Seems like some serious ammunition for some hardcore teasing. Mr. Scribbler is already calling us Tepid Air over at Ace’s.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:24 AM

…bend FORWARD!

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Best answer yet. ; )

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:24 AM

The fact that the final SCOTUS decision is still “under wraps” restores my faith in human nature… as far as the judicial branch of government is concerned…

Khun Joe on June 25, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Are you kidding? If you don’t think Kagan, who worked on the very briefs on upholding Obamacare as Obama’s Solicitor General, hasn’t let the decision “slip” to her former employer, wake up and smell the gavel.

The rest of the lib part of the Court would be suspect, too, but Kagan’s got a real dog in the hunt, her refusal to voluntarily recuse herself on this case, the ultimate tell.

TXUS on June 25, 2012 at 12:25 AM

What did the tat on the back of her neck say. :)

arnold ziffel on June 24, 2012 at 11:52 PM

…bend FORWARD!

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 12:19 AM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Tepid Air is actually pretty funny.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Yet another reason AP might not like me. I want to be wide awake and wired either way. Preferably our way.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:22 AM

He doesn’t like anyone, incl. himself. So, quit worrying.

Schadenfreude on June 25, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:24 AM

lolz..Could be..Rick and Jazz do a very good job!!..:)

PS..I wonder why Mr Scribbler call us Terpid Air??..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:08 AM

lolz..I remember once there was a post that I complimented Capt. Ed on..One problem..Allah wrote the post!!..I turned 40 shades of red!!..Very embarassed!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:16 AM

That kind of thing isn’t so bad. What really burns me in the ears is doing something like … recently, I wrote “capital punishment” instead of “corporal” — thus arguing the kids should be put to death :) Heh — I just meant to say “spanked.”

… wasn’t trying to argue for the execution of children, really I wasn’t. :)

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM

LoLz..We all make gaffes..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM

He wants Ed & AP to be more outrageously outraged. That’s fine.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:26 AM

It is pretty clever.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:32 AM

PS..I wonder why Mr Scribbler call us Tepid Air??..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Fixed!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:32 AM

I see..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM

If memory serves, certainly questionable, wasn’t there a big hubbub about some kind of serverability clause put in that if the mandate goes down the whole Bill is gone?

Cindy Munford on June 24, 2012 at 11:55 PM

The leftist congress, in their ‘infinite’ ‘wisdom’ left the severability clause, which is typical for most laws, out. Thus, technically, if the mandate fails, all the rest fails too, unless the SC say that the rest stands, or some such.

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2012 at 11:59 PM

This aspect worries me. Yes there’s no severability clause at present, but don’t forget the Supreme Court saw some kind of misty aura surrounding the Constitution and therein found a right to abortion.

It would not be a stretch for them to look at the thousands of pages of Obamacare and ‘find severability’ somehow. Maybe if they call in a numerologist it would help.

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:31 AM

At least you know that AP isn’t the author of QOTD. Someone did it again the other night. Flora Duh got to fill them in.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Here’s hoping for a 7-2 verdict from the Supreme Court in favor of the United States Constitution (not some European or elsewhere law). No mandate allowed, no severance clause in place, no take over of 1/6th of the American economy equals no greased skid towards socialism…

Gohawgs on June 25, 2012 at 12:36 AM

At least you know that AP isn’t the author of QOTD. Someone did it again the other night. Flora Duh got to fill them in.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Ed was the one who did it when allah took the night off…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:36 AM

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM

I know anything can happen but it’s hard to believe SCOTUS will uphold the mandate after the beating they gave Obama’s lawyer.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:37 AM

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:36 AM

It might have been that night. I just know that a commenter was plenty ticked that a right wing site would write such tripe.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012

…I asked you earlier today if Yeastybeasty had apologized to Resist We Much for his words of endearment…and you said something about finding it in ‘Alahpundit’…I hadn’t seen any apology…where is that?

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 12:40 AM

PS..I wonder why Mr Scribbler call us Tepid Air??..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Considering he thinks Genesis in the Bible actually happened, and that Adam really lived to be 935 years — and he can prove it — I couldn’t care less what he says.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 12:41 AM

The fact that the final SCOTUS decision is still “under wraps” restores my faith in human nature… as far as the judicial branch of government is concerned…

Khun Joe on June 25, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Are you kidding? If you don’t think Kagan, who worked on the very briefs on upholding Obamacare as Obama’s Solicitor General, hasn’t let the decision “slip” to her former employer, wake up and smell the gavel.

The rest of the lib part of the Court would be suspect, too, but Kagan’s got a real dog in the hunt, her refusal to voluntarily recuse herself on this case, the ultimate tell.

TXUS on June 25, 2012 at 12:25 AM

I have 100% confidence that Kagan has kept little Bammie and Sebelius regularly briefed on the status of all the cases before them.

This is why Kagan was put on the court. Obamacare is the brass ring for democratics, it has been for decades. This decision is important enough to the progs for them to choose Kagan for the court expressly for this decision and get her there on time to be a part of the decision.

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2012 at 12:42 AM

He doesn’t like anyone, incl. himself. So, quit worrying.

Schadenfreude on June 25, 2012 at 12:26 AM

You mean other than Meggie Mac, his kitties, and his lotion…

Gohawgs on June 25, 2012 at 12:42 AM

I couldn’t care less what he says.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 12:41 AM

I hear you!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Schadenfreude, I actually don’t worry about it. Does make me laugh a bit though. I figure he’ll get shed of me one of these days for something, like acting stupidly or something.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Wow AP, thanks for putting up all those filthy lib talking points as the QOTD. I could barely get through that mess without getting sick :)

LevinFan on June 25, 2012 at 12:45 AM

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 12:40 AM

I think I said I had been away from the computer and didn’t know anything about it. Who is Yeastybeasty?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:46 AM

LevinFan on June 25, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Now now, we have to know what the opposition is thinking.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:47 AM

PS..I wonder why Mr Pastor Scribbler call us Tepid Air??..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Considering he thinks Genesis in the Bible actually happened, and that Adam really lived to be 935 years — and he can prove it — I couldn’t care less what he says.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Some of us Lutherans believe exactly the way Pastor Scribbler teaches. I’ve known him for eight plus years and I respect him and his teachings…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:47 AM

[E]ven if the White House is a fortress of message discipline, it cannot disguise the potential heartbreak for Mr. Obama, who managed to achieve a decades-old Democratic dream despite long odds and at steep cost.

If he loses both his law and re-election, many will conclude “that he bet on his major reform, and the Supreme Court defeated it, and he lost his hold on the presidency,” Robert Dallek, the presidential historian, said in an interview…

If they wrote that down, and I suppose they would, they would miss the whole damn story.

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM

LoLz..We all make gaffes..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:31 AM

If Axe were a Dem, he’d be qualified to be VP with that gaffe. ;-)

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:45 AM

After he posts the QotD he’s out. If you get hammered it’ll be on another thread. Just don’t get too close to the edge of the HA cliff.

Schadenfreude on June 25, 2012 at 12:50 AM

The weak Tropical Storm on the west coast of Florida is giving us a ton of rain. I wish we could give it to Texas.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:51 AM

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Check out the way Pr. Scribbler is being dissed in this thread upstream. He is a west coast ELS pastor…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:52 AM

Some of us Lutherans believe exactly the way Scribbler teaches. I’ve known him for eight plus years and I respect him and his teachings…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Yep. Much more rational than the current “scientific” non-causal spontaneous generation theory for the origin of the cosmos.

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 12:52 AM

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 12:41 AM

So?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:53 AM

If Axe were a Dem, he’d be qualified to be VP with that gaffe. ;-)

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 12:49 AM

lol … truly, Biden quality. :)

And thank you so much for pointing it out.

Well, in the words of Dan Quayle, “The mind is a terrible thing.”

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Check out the way Pr. Scribbler is being dissed in this thread upstream. He is a west coast ELS pastor…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:52 AM

Did not realize he is really a Pastor, I thought that was just a derogatory appellation by the responding poster.

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 12:54 AM

I assume everyone is also getting their minds around the fact that the SCOTUS will uphold Obiecare??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:52 AM

I didn’t know that Mr. Scribbler is a pastor. I wonder if he takes a lot of heat from the folks at Ace of Spades?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Nope! Not even giving it a thought. I try not to be too surprised by much anymore.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Did not realize he is really a Pastor, I thought that was just a derogatory appellation by the responding poster.

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 12:54 AM

A good and thoughtful orthodox Lutheran pastor. I know him personally and vouch for him. He is a sometimes poster here, as well…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:58 AM

I think I said I had been away from the computer and didn’t know anything about it. Who is Yeastybeasty?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:46 AM

…UpperEastSide… a while ago told one of our ladies to suck on something HE doesn’t have…and that doesn’t set well with me..so I needle him when I get the chance…but someone said he had apologized for it…and I haven’t seen the apology…I am trying to confirm the apology…or, I won’t quit!

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Schadenfreude, I’ll be good, maybe he will evolve.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM

DIRE!!!!

Gohawgs on June 25, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Schadenfreude, I’ll be good, maybe he will evolve.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:59 AM

lol

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 1:00 AM

I didn’t know that Mr. Scribbler is a pastor. I wonder if he takes a lot of heat from the folks at Ace of Spades?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM

He is just known as Scribbler here at HA. I don’t frequent AOS, so I don’t know his moniker there. I just know that was my friend/bother-in-Christ being mocked…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Some of us Lutherans believe exactly the way Pastor Scribbler teaches. I’ve known him for eight plus years and I respect him and his teachings…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:47 AM

I am a believer. But I am not a literalist. Every culture has its creation myth. It is far more meaningful to me as an analogy than as taken literally.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Don’t be delusional, to your detriment. His favs are all gone.

Schadenfreude on June 25, 2012 at 1:01 AM

I HATE the healthcare law.

Stray Cat on June 25, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Resist We Much on June 11, 2012 at 8:53 PM

You and I will never agree on anything. While i still feel you provoked me by calling me childish names and even asking me to kiss your a$$, i was wrong to post that reply.

I apologize.

Uppereastside on June 11, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Kool, here ya go.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 1:03 AM

He is just known as Scribbler here at HA.

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:01 AM

No, there is a Scribbler and a Mr. Scribbler who post here. Two different people. I’m sorry if we part ways on this particular subject, but biblical literalists and I do not see eye to eye.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Schadenfreude, good point and quite true.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 1:04 AM

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Hmmmm, it seems to me that I do remember that insult but I saw it way after it happened. Such a charming person. I hope an apology has been made but I truly don’t know.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:04 AM

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:01 AM

John is correct they are two different people.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:05 AM

I assume everyone is also getting their minds around the fact that the SCOTUS will uphold Obiecare??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM

I already came to that conclusion and will most likely be the outcome of the decision. I believe all the government wants is your money and have control, no matter who is in office. I am with total grips that my children will be less free Than I was after this week.

Conservative4ev on June 25, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Well, look, can we at least agree about LGF?

Axe on June 25, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:56 AM

I hear you!!..I just hope they overturn ObieCare..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 1:06 AM

So?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:53 AM

I think I pretty much addressed my disagreement with literalists to OC, but check this out: I attended my first “contemporary” Presbyterian service today, full of live band and professorial sermon. Guess what? I hated it.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Oh I will most likely short the decision on intrade, mine a swell make something

Conservative4ev on June 25, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 1:03 AM

How do you do that? I can’t even find my own comments just after I’ve made them.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:07 AM

slickwillie2001 on June 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM

| Delete | Delete and Ban

The first draft had the clause. The final version didn’t. They may have left it out deliberately in an effort to pressure the Supremes. All or nothing. But, if the mandate is dumped and the rest stays in, the insurance companies will go broke insuring the preconditons clause or force premiums sky high. Single pay is the ultimate goal. Or,…the donks may just be incompetent. I still think the SC will split the baby.

a capella on June 25, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Gohawgs on June 25, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Okay I’m sorry for the negative waves!..I think they are going to overturn it!..:)

PS..Great movie!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 1:08 AM

He is just known as Scribbler here at HA.

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:01 AM

No, there is a Scribbler and a Mr. Scribbler who post here. Two different people. I’m sorry if we part ways on this particular subject, but biblical literalists and I do not see eye to eye.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 1:03 AM

As I said, the pastor is just plain old Scribbler here at HA. I’ve seen Mr. Scribblers posts and I don’t know him.
I also don;t read AOS so I don’t know his ID there.
What I *do* know is those quotes are owned by my friend…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 1:03 AM

How do you do that? I can’t even find my own comments just after I’ve made them.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Cindy, refresh your browser – comments will then show up, at least all except those that have been moderated-out.

Lourdes on June 25, 2012 at 1:10 AM

He is a sometimes poster here, as well…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 12:58 AM

I recognized the nic, just not the title.

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Conservative4ev on June 25, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Quit drinking the poison. Just like I always say “don’t celebrate just yet”…don’t dispair yet either. This week we’ll know and you can get silly drunk then, if it remains intact. Chances for that are not very good.

Schadenfreude on June 25, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Conservative4ev on June 25, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Hang in there we are going to win this one!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 1:11 AM

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 1:07 AM

I understand, I can take it in small doses. My daughter had a friend who would paint while the church services were in progress. I’m not a joiner so I always find things I don’t like about churches. I went to one last year that was showing a comedy routine on big screens by a black comedian making fun of the Catholic church for what he considers their obsession with the Virgin Mary. I like that church but was put off by them making fun of a different denomination of Christians. I want to mimic the late Rodney King when it comes to our differences.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:13 AM

OK, just finished watching “Falling Skies“, what did I miss here?

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 1:13 AM

John is correct they are two different people.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Yep. Mr Scribbler has never written a kind word about anyone or anything, to the best of my recollection.

a capella on June 25, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Schadenfreude on June 25, 2012 at 1:10 AM

You are correct!!..I turned to the dark side just for a sec there..I will not let it happen again!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 1:14 AM

I didn’t know that Mr. Scribbler is a pastor. I wonder if he takes a lot of heat from the folks at Ace of Spades?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM

After all these years, I had no idea he was a pastor. Mr. Scribbler and I share quite a number of views in our comments, though. He’s not one to mince words, though he did tip-toe a bit through ace’s spaz-out that I saw, as anyone who didn’t want to be banned had to do.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 25, 2012 at 1:14 AM

I apologize.

Uppereastside on June 11, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Kool, here ya go.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 1:03 AM

…thanks Bmore ! …how did I miss that?…I always read most of the threads from top to bottom at night. I always need the ‘links’ some of you supply…now I’m wondering if I should feel bad about pestering him for the last week or so!…*thinking*…….*thinking*……naaaaaaaaaaaaaah…heck no! (:->)

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Lourdes on June 25, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Oh, they are there, I just can’t find them or remember where I said what. It’s not the computer, it’s me.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM

My friend Norm has now developed pneumonia and is in ICU. Please step up those prayers…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Conservative4ev on June 25, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Hang in there we are going to win this one!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 1:11 AM

I hope so not for me but for my children

Conservative4ev on June 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 25, 2012 at 1:14 AM

I actually respect him taking Ed & AP on directly more than calling names on other sites. That seems so Charles Johnson and he is too nice a guy to be compared to him.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:17 AM

I hope so not for me but for my children

Conservative4ev on June 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Hear!..Hear!..:)

Dire Straits on June 25, 2012 at 1:17 AM

KOOLAID2 on June 25, 2012 at 1:14 AM

No don’t feel bad at all. His apology was not sincere and amounted to “you started it first.” Then his penchant for hit and split, deflection on topics gets boring.

arnold ziffel on June 25, 2012 at 1:18 AM

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM

I’m sorry, this has been a real roller coaster illness. Pneumonia should not be taken lightly.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:18 AM

I am a believer. But I am not a literalist. Every culture has its creation myth. It is far more meaningful to me as an analogy than as taken literally.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 1:01 AM

I’ve always been curious about how you square that circle. If the universe came into being via non-causal spontaneous generation, then what need is there for a God? If God is simply a creature of the spontaneously generated universe, then in what are you putting your trust? If you are a believer (… and I’m assuming by that, you mean that you believe that you are saved by Grace through Christ), then what authority does Christ have is he is merely a creature of a spontaneously generated universe, and what are you being saved from? If the account of creation is not true, then what other parts of scripture are then only fable? Creation is not just part of Genesis, it is a fundamental tenet of the whole of scripture.

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 1:18 AM

SCRIBBLER, who posts here at HA is a pastor. I never said Mr. Scribbler was…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:18 AM

arnold ziffel on June 25, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Isn’t that mandatory for Lefties?

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:19 AM

I went to one last year that was showing a comedy routine

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:13 AM

This is the thing that really bugs me. I go to church FOR tradition and fixed truths. I want a reading from the Old Testament, a related reading from the New Testament, and the sermon to explain context. Don’t show me an excerpt from Oprah. Don’t sing to me how much Jesus is your best friend and how much he can lift you up, and don’t bring up a bunch of New Age crap about how Jesus would have been into crystals and pyramids.

John the Libertarian on June 25, 2012 at 1:19 AM

How do you do that? I can’t even find my own comments just after I’ve made them.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:07 AM

What pull the old stuff up? Two ways primarily, first keep anything copied off onto another app, it includes the good things and the bad things. For example, I have our first conversation with one another in there. Because it means something to me. The bad stuff is like things that may be used against a troll for example or like the first one I walked to the door. Or like the first time I felt the breeze from the glorious hammer. Another way is if I don’t have access to that stuff I will google HotAir (commenters name) and the topic. You have to do a bit of reading that way, it’s slower, but it works well. HA keeps it all. Every single bit.

Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 1:20 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 25, 2012 at 1:14 AM

By the way, I have been meaning to ask you about your nic, are you a physicist? Proton, anti-proton entangled pair?

SWalker on June 25, 2012 at 1:20 AM

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Thanks for the clarification.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:20 AM

My friend Norm has now developed pneumonia and is in ICU. Please step up those prayers…

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Consider it done.

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 1:22 AM

You just gotta love the mediaite vid. Noonan, Tapper, and Will all giving thoughtful opinions about ObamaCare, and then Hillary Rosen in that unattractive, whiny Democrat voice going on about the Republicans.

aryeung on June 25, 2012 at 1:22 AM

For example, I have our first conversation with one another in there. Because it means something to me. Bmore on June 25, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Now I’m going to cry.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Lourdes on June 25, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Oh, they are there, I just can’t find them or remember where I said what. It’s not the computer, it’s me.

Cindy Munford on June 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Oh, I see. Yes, these multipage comments sections are difficult to follow unless you stay fixed in realtime to what’s being posted. I find them impossible to follow along with beyond a few pages so just go elsewhere eventually. This one’s the first time in a while I’ve managed to even be able to participate in the first three pages…a sad goal, I realize. :)

Lourdes on June 25, 2012 at 1:23 AM

I’ve always been curious about how you square that circle. If the universe came into being via non-causal spontaneous generation, then what need is there for a God? If God is simply a creature of the spontaneously generated universe, then in what are you putting your trust? If you are a believer (… and I’m assuming by that, you mean that you believe that you are saved by Grace through Christ), then what authority does Christ have is he is merely a creature of a spontaneously generated universe, and what are you being saved from? If the account of creation is not true, then what other parts of scripture are then only fable? Creation is not just part of Genesis, it is a fundamental tenet of the whole of scripture.

AZfederalist on June 25, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Amen. Blessings!

OmahaConservative on June 25, 2012 at 1:23 AM

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