Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on June 24, 2012 by Allahpundit

With the Supreme Court likely to render judgment on President Obama’s health care law this week, the White House and Congress find themselves in a position that many advocates of the legislation once considered almost unimaginable.

In passing the law two years ago, Democrats entertained little doubt that it was constitutional. The White House held a conference call to tell reporters that any legal challenge, as one Obama aide put it, “will eventually fail and shouldn’t be given too much credence in the press.”…

“It led to some people taking it too lightly,” said a Congressional lawyer who like others involved in drafting the law declined to be identified before the ruling. “It shouldn’t strike anybody as a close call,” the lawyer added, but “given where we are now, do I wish we had focused even more on this? I guess I would say yes.”…

Adversaries said the law’s proponents had been too attentive to liberal academics who shaped public discussion. “There’s very little diversity in the legal academy among law professors,” said Randy E. Barnett, a Georgetown University law professor and a leading thinker behind the challenge. “So they’re in an echo chamber listening to people who agree with them.”

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Some prominent legal scholars say a series of tactical decisions by President Obama’s legal team may have hurt the chances of saving his landmark health-care legislation from being gutted by Supreme Court conservatives…

Obama, a former constitutional law instructor, and White House lawyers helped shape a legal strategy essentially portraying health care as a unique marketplace that Congress, under the Constitution’s interstate commerce clause, could regulate by imposing the requirement that consumers buy insurance before receiving treatment or pay a penalty…

The critics say the administration failed to fully develop arguments tailored to the court’s conservative members, who often look to the original intentions of the Founding Fathers for guidance. The critics represent a small but influential group of scholars who believe that this “originalist” thinking — typically dismissed by the left as outmoded and dangerous to modern precedents such as the Roe v. Wade abortion ruling — could be used effectively to defend liberal laws. Some say that Obama, who has criticized the originalist view, and lawyers in his administration may have decided for ideological reasons to steer clear of a conservative-seeming argument — a suggestion deemed absurd by administration officials.

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[E]ven if the White House is a fortress of message discipline, it cannot disguise the potential heartbreak for Mr. Obama, who managed to achieve a decades-old Democratic dream despite long odds and at steep cost.

If he loses both his law and re-election, many will conclude “that he bet on his major reform, and the Supreme Court defeated it, and he lost his hold on the presidency,” Robert Dallek, the presidential historian, said in an interview…

As the brutal fight continued, the president sacrificed more and more in its name: an overhaul of energy and environmental laws, greater focus on economic issues, some of his own popularity and that of House Democrats, who eventually lost their hard-won majority. “Michelle and I are perfectly comfortable if we’re only here one term if we feel like we really accomplished something,” he told aides…

If the court strikes down the mandate and Mr. Obama wins in November, he could face one last version of his perpetual choice on health care: would he settle, learning to live with a sharply edited law? (Given that Republicans see the bill as a signature piece of big-government overreach, he might have no choice.) Or would he expend yet more precious capital on health care?

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But the fact is that if the mandate falls next week, nothing will happen. Then the next week, nothing will happen. Nothing again the week after that, and nothing will continue to happen for the next 70 weeks, which is roughly when the bulk of the law takes effect. In the meantime, Congress can do something, or it can do nothing, Democratically controlled states can step in, or not. If lawmakers move aggressively and fix it in advance, great. If they don’t and then in 2014 the reforms start to wobble, Congress will do something, or a lot of states will pass their own laws to broaden the risk pools, and things will settle down. That’s my hunch at least — that if the policy becomes unsustainable, then the politics of not fixing it will be unsustainable too.

Presumably that’s why President Obama’s telling his supporters he might have to “revisit” health care in his second term, rather than, say, in the middle of the campaign, when he’ll probably want to avoid using the word “mandate” altogether. If he loses, then of course the mandate’s probably dead. But in that case, it stands to reason that the mandate and much of the rest of the law will vanish anyway, regardless of what the Court does. Which I guess is a long way of saying there’s an appeal to both approaches but it’s the sort of problem that, perhaps inelegantly, will eventually solve itself.

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I expect, as I think most of us do, an unfriendly decision (from the Democratic point of view) on the health-care law. Can’t yet say how unfriendly; at the very least, an overturning of the individual mandate, and maybe more. Assuming that’s correct, the question immediately becomes how the president and the Democrats should respond. There’s very little they can do legislatively. But I’ll be watching for rhetoric, tone, even body language. And on those counts, they had damn well better dispense with the usual liberal woe-is-me hand-wringing and shoulder slumping and come out swinging. They had better communicate to their base that they stand for something, it’s important to them, and they’re pissed. And if they do it the right way, they can make the Supreme Court an issue this fall in a way that might even persuade some swing voters that the court overstepped its bounds. I’d go so far as to say that an aggressive response can reset and reframe the whole health-care debate, once Americans have had their minds focused on this by a blatantly partisan court…

[Obama] needs to stand up there and get mad. The law may be unpopular, but he and the Democrats are stuck with it, and being stuck with it, they need to stick by it. Almost never before in American history has a Supreme Court taken a law duly passed by the people’s representatives and in just two years’ time invalidated it. If that isn’t legislating from the bench, what is? Mr. Cool needs to get Hot. Against unanimous and ferocious opposition, and in the face of blatant lies about what this bill would and would not do, he and the Democrats came up with a way for people with cancer and diabetes and what have you to get the treatment they need and not be either turned away or gouged. He’s proud of that, he ought to say, and by God, he’s going to fight for it. That provision of the law is wildly popular—85 percent supported that, in a late-March New York Times survey. If you can’t play offense with 85 percent of the people behind you, I give up.

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I’ll try to find the caring and concern. Trying… trying…

Oh good. Here comes the single tear.

kim roy on May 21, 2013 at 1:23 PM

I’ll try to find the caring and concern. Trying… trying…

Oh good. Here comes the single tear.

kim roy on May 21, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Sure it’s not from smoke or a speck of dust instead?

I, for one, want the unions and every liberal to suffer under Obamacare and/or its potentials until they scream in unison for repeal.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

It must suck to be a rank-and-file union member who has to pay for union management when all they do is work to worsen the rank-and-file’s situation in life.

blammm on May 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

He doesn’t want it overturned. He just wants changes so his people get what they want. The rest is somebody else’s problem.

Mark1971 on May 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM

They had no problems with everyone else being forced into higher costs with poorer plans. So, it’s only fair that they reap what they sowed…

Blake on May 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Cry me a bloody river.

Resist We Much on May 21, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Playing my tiny fiddle.

Del Dolemonte on May 21, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Did Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. come out yet, and say
“we’re going to get these SOB”s” (meaning Obama)?

ToddPA on May 21, 2013 at 1:32 PM

I’ll try to find the caring and concern. Trying… trying…

Oh good. Here comes the single tear.

Only tears of laughter from me…..sucker!!

hawkeye54 on May 21, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Suckers!

rbj on May 21, 2013 at 1:32 PM

one might be able to summon a bit more sympathy for them if they hadn’t actively pushed for and applauded ObamaCare’s passage in the first place.

Mr. Hansen: You fought for Obamacare. Suck it up you union thug. Explain to your members why their hours are being cut and why their health insurance sucks. Because you did this to them.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Now that they’ve read it with their lawyers, they know what’s in it.

beatcanvas on May 21, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I, for one, want the unions and every liberal to suffer under Obamacare and/or its potentials until they scream in unison for repeal.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Union membership rolls definitely are fertile hunting ground to find low-information voters (parasites for short). They troop to the polls and vote just like they are told by their union bosses. Might be nice to send them a wake up call.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 1:35 PM

I wonder if the unions are starting to panic now because they realize the optics of O continuing to give them preferential treatment (and other Dem allies/supporters/doners), while conservative groups are not given the same advantages, has sunk in.

Mayday on May 21, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Gee, I guess all you union thugs should have thought about that before you helped to get it PASSED in the first place. HMMMM?

Right now, I only have two words for all of your ilk. SUCK IT!

Leftist dumbsh!ts all.

Meople on May 21, 2013 at 1:40 PM

The rank and file should fire this guy for not asking for an exemption last year, like most of the other unions and health care lobbyists did.

When added together, the healthcare waivers excuse about 4 million people, or about 3 percent of the population, from having to participate, HHS said.

However, what’s slightly unsettling is the fact that the majority of the waivers were handed out to labor unions.

fred5678 on May 21, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Karma is a beyutch. Heh.

Wethal on May 21, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Is it too late for all these fools to wake up to what they’ve done and stop it? I don’t know, but I’ll keep my late mother’s advice in mind: Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

blackgriffin on May 21, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Feel good story of the day.

docflash on May 21, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Rahm Emanuel has the Chicago unions in a tizzy because he’s dumping them into the exchanges. Heh, again.

Wethal on May 21, 2013 at 1:41 PM

These union goons love obamacare as long as it doesn’t apply to them. As soon as they get their exemption they’ll be happy.

GardenGnome on May 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

“We don’t want a handout. Our members want to keep the healthcare they currently have. Let me repeat — our members want to keep the healthcare they currently have.”

Don’t we all you ignorant toad, don’t we all. But that’s what you get for believing the dogeater. Let me guess, you thought you’d be special. That HE cared about you. That it would be the OTHERS who paid for it. The term useful idiots was created for folks like you and yours Joseph Hansen.

HumpBot Salvation on May 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Now this union can say that, like John Kerry, they were only for it before they were against it. Unions should get out of ObamaCare last, right along with AARP and Congressional Democrats (and staff!). Let the guilty pay.

MTF on May 21, 2013 at 1:43 PM

They’ll get an exemption in exchange for political support of the Democrats.

Good Lt on May 21, 2013 at 1:43 PM

It must suck to be a rank-and-file union member who has to pay for union management when all they do is work to worsen the rank-and-file’s situation in life.

It sure is.

Bob's Kid on May 21, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Just give the unions an exception.
Problem solved!

BoxHead1 on May 21, 2013 at 1:44 PM

These union goons love obamacare as long as it doesn’t apply to them. As soon as they get their exemption they’ll be happy.

Someday, they may find out that their exemption is worth as much as a promise from Barry.

hawkeye54 on May 21, 2013 at 1:44 PM

exception exemption(better – as per GoodLte)

BoxHead1 on May 21, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I almost feel.

nobar on May 21, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Unions own it. Unions can suck it.

bloviator on May 21, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Sure it’s not from smoke or a speck of dust instead?

I, for one, want the unions and every liberal to suffer under Obamacare and/or its potentials until they scream in unison for repeal.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

It’s from laughter actually. ;)

I’m waiting to use “who did you vote for?”

In a just world, they would suffer the most. Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

kim roy on May 21, 2013 at 1:48 PM

In other words, they will be forced to change their coverage and quite possibly their doctor. Others will be channeled into Medicaid, where taxpayers must pick up the tab. …

Well then, they’ll be facing the same situation as their non-union neighbors. And you want to do something about that? You don’t care who has to pay what so long as your membership gets what it wants. I’m pretty sure that’s asking for a handout.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 1:50 PM

I’m waiting to use “who did you vote for?”

kim roy on May 21, 2013 at 1:48 PM

It’s always fun when a leftist realizes that this stuff applies to them too. And there are going to be an awful lot of angry commies. They thought Obamacare was going to use the Robin Hood financing plan without realizing that they were included among the rich.

And just think of how great it will be when all the illegals start sucking up benefits without paying into the system.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Good old Senator Tom Coburn (dinner buddy of Obama).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/21/tom-coburn-tornado-aid-must-be-offset/

Maybe Mr. Union Boss should contact Coburn’s office, and see if the Senator would support a waiver.

(918) 581-7651

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 1:55 PM

For you union members out there, rest easy knowing that–as I write–union leaders across the country are receiving assurances from key Democratic politicians and point men that the more onerous aspects of Obamacare legislation that will burden and break the hoi polloi won’t apply to you. You’re connected to the Obama Administration with ties stronger and more enduring than a mother’s love. An accommodation will be reached. That’s the Chicago Way.

troyriser_gopftw on May 21, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Gee Unions…Sucks to be you.

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” – Orwell, 1984

God Bless Right To Work States!

workingclass artist on May 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

It’s as if a Useful Idiot is beginning to realize he’s no longer useful, and might be tossed aside.

Mayday on May 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Libtard trolls notably absent so far.
Can’t wait to see brayam, verbalunatic, Hahhhvudpartisan, or HAL explain this problem away.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Happy birthday, suckers.

CurtZHP on May 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM

It’s as if a Useful Idiot is beginning to realize he’s no longer useful, and might be tossed aside.

Mayday on May 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Sí, se puede

workingclass artist on May 21, 2013 at 2:01 PM

My only comment is….you wanted it…you got it. I’ll bet the next time you will not pass it before you read it. Dummies!!!

logicman_1998 on May 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

OT: Michelle Malkin is tweeting pics of IRS protest around the country…

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Huh. Wonder who’s more upset with their man these days, the unions or the press?

Tell you what, I’ll try to hide some of my enjoyment and look concerned for all of you.

CJ on May 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Libtard trolls notably absent so far.
Can’t wait to see brayam, verbalunatic, Hahhhvudpartisan, or HAL explain this problem away.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 1:59 PM

“They have lost all credibility,” is likely the standard answer.

Liam on May 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Aa a union member I can understand the glee of some as they watch this slug try to squirm out of the swamp they help create. It galls me how the leadership of unions surrendered our most valuable benefit for a seat at this asshat of a Presidents’table. The membership of my union will be lining up to vote these morons out . We will also be looking at the books. Here comes the boom.

Thicklugdonkey on May 21, 2013 at 2:03 PM

It’s as if a Useful Idiot is beginning to realize he’s no longer useful, and might be tossed aside.

Mayday on May 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

We can almost see the “hey – I might have gotten scammed” lightbulb just barely starting to brighten….

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Welcome to reality.

Please take a seat. Your wait time is six months to a year.

VibrioCocci on May 21, 2013 at 2:04 PM

If they really cared more about the members they CLAIM to represent, instead of the liberal ideology, they would urge Democrat Senators to pass the Republican House bill to repeal Obamacare.

ROFL! Who am I kidding? Unions always care more about liberal ideology than their members!

dominigan on May 21, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Huh. Wonder who’s more upset with their man these days, the unions or the press?

Tell you what, I’ll try to hide some of my enjoyment and look concerned for all of you.

CJ on May 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

I hope they all get a good solid taste of “hey, that $10 million from the Nigerian prince hasn’t shown up in my bank account yet, in fact MY money seems to be missing….”.

It’s nice to find something to laugh about these days….

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:08 PM

The unions can choke on ObamaCare.
They need to remember all of this, as the unions ask for their dues
and the democrats ask for more donations….

redguy on May 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Big Labor was falling all over itself in support of getting the law passed back in 2010.

As far as I’m concerned, they can now BEND OVER and actually ‘see what’s in it’!

GarandFan on May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
H. L. Mencken

Take it good and hard, buddy.

Mason on May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Also, a lot of unions have financial ties to these insurance companies, so when the employees have to switch, the union loses their kickback or commission or whatever they call it. That is another reason they hate the WI laws, because districts switched health plans away from the union favored companies when they could work directly with their own employees. No matter that the employees got similar coverage for a similar price out of pocket, and the districts saved enough to keep teachers employed… It’s always about money. You can bet that’s the motivator here too, and the workers are a secondary concern.

Boudica on May 21, 2013 at 2:16 PM

“progressively realize”
nice choice of words Erika!
But is it possible for progressives to realize their mistakes?

breffnian on May 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Also, a lot of unions have financial ties to these insurance companies, so when the employees have to switch, the union loses their kickback or commission or whatever they call it. That is another reason they hate the WI laws, because districts switched health plans away from the union favored companies when they could work directly with their own employees. No matter that the employees got similar coverage for a similar price out of pocket, and the districts saved enough to keep teachers employed… It’s always about money. You can bet that’s the motivator here too, and the workers are a secondary concern.

Boudica on May 21, 2013 at 2:16 PM

The unions had their own insurance agency through which the districts were required to buy overpriced coverage.

Wethal on May 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

That is another reason they hate the WI laws, because districts switched health plans away from the union favored companies when they could work directly with their own employees.
Boudica on May 21, 2013 at 2:16 PM

As I understood the WI situation, the unions had actually set up their own insurance companies and wrote into the labor contract that the government had to use THAT company that the union essentially owned – at highly inflated rates.

dentarthurdent on May 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Does the House lack constitutional authority to de-fund the entire program? Yes or no.

kunegetikos on May 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM

another group requesting a waiver after lobbying for its passage;

socialism is for the people, not the socialists

burserker on May 21, 2013 at 2:30 PM

“For the 85 to 90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance, this thing has already happened. And their only impact is that their insurance is stronger, better, more secure than it was before. Full stop. That’s it. They don’t have to worry about anything else.”

– pResident Obama

See, Mr. Hansen? Now what’s all this fuss about?

lynncgb on May 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

There’s a very simple solution to this and other problems Obama is facing: If they are liberals, give them waivers. If they are conservatives, don’t give them waivers. Keep doing that until there is no more opposition and we are a socialist country.

Actually, this method works surprisingly well.

Burke on May 21, 2013 at 2:40 PM

OT: Michelle Malkin is tweeting pics of IRS protest around the country…

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Pretty good crowd in Nashville.

CurtZHP on May 21, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Maybe it’s time for the GOP to infiltrate their members and let them see how the union leadership threw them under the bus to help a liberal President. Maybe it’s time to have another vote on union membership, telling people that they will keep more of their check and get rid of leadership that doesn’t care for its members.
As the liberals like to say, “it’s about the middle class and people having more money in their pockets.”

djaymick on May 21, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Aa a union member I can understand the glee of some as they watch this slug try to squirm out of the swamp they help create. It galls me how the leadership of unions surrendered our most valuable benefit for a seat at this asshat of a Presidents’table. The membership of my union will be lining up to vote these morons out . We will also be looking at the books. Here comes the boom.

Thicklugdonkey on May 21, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Amen

hamradio on May 21, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Getting the gorvernment they voted for…….good and hard. Heh.

iurockhead on May 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM

The mistake the unions made in the first place was thinking the democrats were on their side.

The industrial north was BUILT by republicans and Whigs before them. Not by democrats. And when did democrats take control of northern industry states? And when did those states go into decline?

Coincidence? Democrats took control by lying to labor. They told them a fantasy story and labor bought it. They’ve been losing jobs ever since.

Karmashock on May 21, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Let me understand this. Union bosses now, all of a sudden, realize that their members’ (what an appropriate noun) hours will be cut and the end result of that is they will be forced into bad medical insurance plans.

Seems the bigger issue for unions is a huge hit their union dues will take with the cut hours, they really don’t give a crap about the minions’ insurance, union bosses will keep theirs at whatever cost to the minions.

January 1st can’t come soon enough…

riddick on May 21, 2013 at 3:21 PM

ROFL! Who am I kidding? Unions always care more about liberal ideology than their members!

dominigan on May 21, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Of course, and that’s cuz they’re liberals.

“Liberals always care more about liberal ideology than the American People.”

The sickening thing is the number of people that believe the liberal ideology is “compassionate”.

kirkill on May 21, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Translation: We are as stupid as the Conservatives said we were, when we supported this thing.

Alabama Infidel on May 21, 2013 at 3:46 PM

The only people that should have to live under Obamacare are the politicians and their staffs who passed it and the unions that supported them.

trigon on May 21, 2013 at 4:26 PM

This was all about currying favor with the takers, plain and simple. No worker benefits from this, whether wealthy or poor, high-salary or low-salary.

blammm on May 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Let It Burn.
They could have voted against Obama in 2012 after he rammed this thing through, but they didn’t. They deserve what they get. Every bit of it.

txmomof6 on May 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM

If they really cared more about the members they CLAIM to represent, instead of the liberal ideology, they would urge Democrat Senators to pass the Republican House bill to repeal Obamacare.

ROFL! Who am I kidding? Unions always care more about liberal ideology than their members!

dominigan on May 21, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Unions and their managment care about taking care of their membership because if they don’t, the members may decide that a change of regime is in order. Hence they will do whatever seems to promise to benefit their membership even if analysis says in the long run it would be detrimental — unions are like corporate CEOs who look to the next favorable financial report as their recurring goal.

While not to dispute that unions can be useful, the Progressives (aka Liberals) have favored labor cartels as personified as unions, because they thought it would be better than the unorganized “free” market and put forward laws to make that so. Hence unions would tend to favor Progressive/Liberal programs so long as the unions don’t see obvious and substantial negative consequences for their membership.

So I do not think it too surprising to see unions intially backing the PPACA because the proponents, Progressive/Liberals, assured them in several ways that it would not affect their interests. Given how the PPACA was arrived at, obviously, the unions would not know what was in it, but taking it on faith that they would not be affected or could be exempted or the requirements could be waived, they went along and supported it.

Now the real costs and consequences are beginning to manifest themselves and union management are seeing storm clouds gathering and approaching. Far from affecting only fatcat CEOs and rich guys, the side-effects can reach all the way down to the individual union member and the managment, seeing the portent of member discontent, are getting concerned (or nervous).

Russ808 on May 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Hey, it’s what you Union Members get when you leave these negotiation’s up to the leadership Hard-Hats. Assumed? Oh, that’s rich, LOL, LMAO…Bwahahaha

Tangerinesong on May 21, 2013 at 7:48 PM