Calling commenters at HA names is not unusual for gryphon. I think you are right, it’s a play for attention.

Dollayo on June 25, 2012 at 6:08 PM

I suppose so. Cause rombots never call us “truecons” names at all. Never ever ever.

/PBBBBBBT

… An AK-47 costs $100 on the open market outside the U.S. Inside the U.S. an AK-47 costs about $500.

Why would gun smugglers risk smuggling $500 weapons from the U.S. when they can buy them on the world market for $100?

… Yes, may U.S. weapons are being provided to Mexico by U.S. interests, legally, and most of those are sold the the Mexican Army by the U.S. Army. And quite a number of these weapons end up in drug cartel hands.

The idea that Mexican drug cartels are coming to the U.S. buying legal guns from legal gun dealers and smuggling them across the boarder is a real stretch, because in reality that is not where the cartels and criminals in Mexico get the bulk of their guns.

… Furthermore, the only true evidence of legal guns being bought in the U.S. and smuggled to Mexican cartels are the ones bought and sold by the ATF.

No, I suggested namecalling wasn’t a way to start an adult conversation and you flipped out. But good luck all the same. Hopefully you’ll get the attention you need here.

Chuck Schick on June 24, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Calling commenters at HA names is not unusual for gryphon. I think you are right, it’s a play for attention.

Project much? I’m not the politician running for office on a conservative platform who signed the blueprint for Obamacare into law and professed a support for assault weapons ban. I’m not the guy who called himself “progressive” ten years ago. Your boy Mitt, on the other hand…

gryphon202 on June 25, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Be careful my friend, lest LevinMoby ‘revoke’ your Obama criticism ‘privileges’ for daring to question His Royal Highness, King Willard the Inevitable!

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2012/06/25/missing-the-point-over-the-fast-and-furious-the-liberal-media-attempts-to-rewrite-history/

The real issue is the fact this is another example of the Left’s “ends justify the means.”

…5. After the death of a Border Patrol officer, the wheels started coming off and people began to scramble to cover up their part in the scheme. People were protected, refused to testify, whistleblowers were harassed and attacked, the MSM was given marching orders to try and deflect the issue, documents refused, lies told and now documents that will prove who knew what are being covered by Executive Privilege.

6. Was Obama in on it? Sure, from an executive level. However, Holder is knee deep in it, he had to be. The DOJ was ready to pounce as was the ATF with new regulations and lawsuits, so who gave them the heads up?

Obama’s problem stems from the fact we sent guns into another sovereign nation in order to get its citizens killed (remember nothing works unless there is blood) without telling that nation. No way he didn’t give the okay for that. That alone should be enough. How would we react if we knew the Mexicans were sending weapons to our gangs in order to build up a body count as a way to push a Mexican political agenda? Remember, we sent guns into Mexico in hopes of getting Mexican people violently murdered- including police and soldiers and poor innocent women and children- and we did it intentionally. You can’t get around that. It surprises me even the liberal press won’t jump on this regardless of who is in charge of the government on principle alone! (Remember Iran/Contra?) But it should make all doubters finally realize that the MSM can no longer be trusted at any level.

What is this really like? Imagine in order to push the right to abortion agenda, the administration deliberately sent out back alley doctors with rusty tools in order to kill a number of women seeking abortions. Enough dead girls in alleys and suddenly we are demanding the right to abortion. Or, worse, what if there was already the right to abortion, but the Left wanted to cement even MORE rules and regulations so they sent out bad doctors to create deaths above and beyond, as a way to promote the agenda. (Think of the number of restrictions on weapons already in place, and the Left is still not satisfied.)

Maybe the EPA could go around and throw their own dirt on private land that isn’t being developed just to prove they need more regulations protecting wetlands. Or give the go ahead for companies to send raw pollutants into rivers just to prove the EPA needs more power.

In essence, this is what we are seeing here. What we are witnessing, what we have seen from the outset of this administration is the mantra “the ends justify the means.” It won’t get any better. What the Obama administration and the rest of the Left is trying to prevent you from “getting” is this a crime, an unforced error that shows just how little this administration cares about anything other than itself and its own agenda.

Spooky dude kind of stuff when you think about it.

dominigan on June 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM

‘Issa’s the real culprit here!‘ ‘GWB started the program!!!‘

greataunty is one of those 0bamessiah stooges who believes that He is trying to moving Heaven, Hell, and the Earth in order to get all of the facts out about Terry’s death, but Issa’s insistence on doing an investigation anyway is interfering with this noble effort of His!

These Leftist bozos are too stupid to understand how rationalizing/gullible/easily manipulated they are – it’s like watching the AGW movement in action! :)

There isn’t a single shred of evidence that Holder or Obama had any knowledge of the operation before Terry’s unfortunate death. None.Zip. Nada. Anyone suggesting otherwise is simply ignoring the facts.

greataunty on June 24, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Except for President Obama admitting through his Executive Privilege defense that some of those 140,000 documents contain correspondence directly with him or his direct advisers!

MJBrutus on June 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM

The economy will win the election, but Fast & Furious will exhaust Obama’s energy during the campaign. A smart campaign will focus on all of the above to wear down their opponent and sow multiple doubts as to the competence of the current occupier.

gryphon202 on June 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Stop being such a dishonest schmuck. The answer you were given was not in that post, it was given in several of the prior responses to you. And it’s not satisfactory to you. Too freaking bad.

MJBrutus on June 25, 2012 at 6:02 AM

Project much? I’m not the politician running for office on a conservative platform who signed the blueprint for Obamacare into law and professed a support for assault weapons ban. I’m not the guy who called himself “progressive” ten years ago. Your boy Mitt, on the other hand…

Why doesn’t the Brady Campaign, Democrats, and most especially the jug-eared Kenyan in the White House want to see justice for Brian Terry? It is almost insulting that these commie bastards are more interested in defending the potentially illegal actions of Holder and Obama than any real intention of finding out exactly who did what and when. Utterly disgusting and an even newer low for the filthy dictator in the White House.

Happy Nomad on June 25, 2012 at 7:04 AM

Its called Power. The Agenda has to be pushed forward. Justice for a Border agent will not further the agenda, because it exposes it. Also do not forget Zapata, his death is also very important because his name is tied to a memo of an investigation where F&F weapons were found and his ‘hit’ at a roadblock is mysterious.

The Bradys and the Dems want absolute Power over 350million Americans. They have it over 42% right now. The rest will resist, they have to be disarmed.

The Bradys are patsys, they’ll be the first into the GreenLabor Camps.

As someone said on AR15.com, when they whisper up to us, to help them escape the hell they have created, we will shout back NO!.

FUBO.

//reaction of about 40% of the country this week.

This really isn’t Romney’s fight. He has no insider knowledge of what is going on nor any official role in the matter. It’s fine to express generic concerns about the questions being raised but, beyond that, I think the best political strategy is to stay away from the whole issue for the time being. Let the contempt charge make its way through the process and see the aftermath of that before weighing in with any specificity.

Happy Nomad on June 25, 2012 at 7:08 AM

This is the best explanation I’ve heard for what’s going on so far. Thanks, Nomad. I still can’t help but wonder if Romney will make an issue of this post-convention, but I suppose there’s time between now and November to see how it shakes out.

This is another false argument. Issa started this investigation 18 months ago and has been fighting continual delays and refusals of documents throughout!

TX_HCG on June 25, 2012 at 6:31 AM

Right. So how come the Republican party isn’t making this a campaign issue? It’s not a false argument, it’s a legitimate question. This is being voted on in the halls of congress. Fine. It should also be shouted from the rooftops, IMO.

Dems don’t think this is a big deal because it was just a bunch of Mexicans and a few cops that got killed. Had it been Palestinians or spotted owls they would be far more outraged.

Rancher on June 25, 2012 at 7:45 AM

Hell! They are more upset that Bradley Manning is being held in solitary confinement at Ft Leavenworth than they are about the death of hundereds of Mexicans by weapons supplied by Eric Holder.

As for Romney, I fully expect him to pussyfoot around the issue. I suppose it’s inevitable, since it still needs to be driven by Congress. But it would be a mistake for him to say nothing at all. Even if he limits himself to saying, “These are very serious questions, and they need to be answered. I’m waiting to see the results of the investigation.”

There Goes The Neighborhood on June 25, 2012 at 5:03 AM

This really isn’t Romney’s fight. He has no insider knowledge of what is going on nor any official role in the matter. It’s fine to express generic concerns about the questions being raised but, beyond that, I think the best political strategy is to stay away from the whole issue for the time being. Let the contempt charge make its way through the process and see the aftermath of that before weighing in with any specificity.

What does that have to do with trying a scandal in the court of public opinion in an election year? Is that illegal?

gryphon202 on June 24, 2012 at 7:17 PM

This is another false argument. Issa started this investigation 18 months ago and has been fighting continual delays and refusals of documents throughout!

gryphon202 on June 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Stop being such a dishonest schmuck. The answer you were given was not in that post, it was given in several of the prior responses to you. And it’s not satisfactory to you. Too freaking bad.

Who should do the calling out? Do you think this is an appropriate line of campaigning for Mitt Romney and/or his surrogates to pursue?

gryphon202 on June 24, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Who? Everyone. Everyone who hears the same old line about how Bush started the program but Obama ended it, even though Bush ended the program 2 years before Obama started a different program, should point out it’s not true. Even if it’s as simple as, “The Bush program ended in 2007, two years before Obama was inaugurated.”

As for Romney, I fully expect him to pussyfoot around the issue. I suppose it’s inevitable, since it still needs to be driven by Congress. But it would be a mistake for him to say nothing at all. Even if he limits himself to saying, “These are very serious questions, and they need to be answered. I’m waiting to see the results of the investigation.”

He doesn’t need to jump out and drive the question, but he needs to mention it. We’re five months from the election, and the media is watching the horse race like a hawk. If Romney talks about F&F, it’s instantly news. It makes it that much harder for Obama to run out the clock.

As a certain famous movie quote has it, “Sweep the leg.”